Re: Yoiur - NEUROTOXIC EFFECTS OF MICROBIAL TOXINS

[Guest guest]

I was excited and curious about this study for several reasons. So I

ran it by one of the experts I rely on. First, it appears to be a

report of a study and not a peer reviewed published study. He then

cites a peer reveiwed study in Toxicology. 2004 Oct 1;202(3):173-83

that seems to be based on the report.

He then made the following points about both:

1. Fumonisin is one of the most toxic compounds known to man.

2. It comes exclusively from only one species of Fusarium.

3. That species is almost never found in damp or water damaged

buildings. Those structures have, instead, many other species of

fusarium that do not produce fumonisin.

4. Rather, the usual expsoure to fumonisin will be from eating rice,

corn, sugar cane, bananas, asparagus from the tropical and

subtropical regions.

5. The value of the research, however, is to find the actual

mechanism by which mycotoxins produce the neurotoxic results. That

hasn't been well studied yet. To do this they use something they know

is strongly toxic. Once found, then they can look for instances with

other mycotoxins where they don't know for sure. It is a valid and

valuable research method.

6. The Intro for both that directly identifies (incorrectly) the

relevance to damp and wet buildings is probably to justify and

satisfy tlheir funding sources.

To which I reply, " spin " is not the sole provence of presidential

campaigns! Lots of truth but not all the truth because the context

and real meaning is difficult to unweave.

Keep up your excellent searches! Even if the studies you and others

find don't always reveal what we hope for, it is extremely

educational for us all. And that, afterall, is the most important

part of all this -- finding information we can understand and trust

so we can make better decisions.

Carl

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Carl E.Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

grimes@...

303-671-9653

303-751-0416 fax

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[Guest guest]

I was excited and curious about this study for several reasons. So I

ran it by one of the experts I rely on. First, it appears to be a

report of a study and not a peer reviewed published study. He then

cites a peer reveiwed study in Toxicology. 2004 Oct 1;202(3):173-83

that seems to be based on the report.

He then made the following points about both:

1. Fumonisin is one of the most toxic compounds known to man.

2. It comes exclusively from only one species of Fusarium.

3. That species is almost never found in damp or water damaged

buildings. Those structures have, instead, many other species of

fusarium that do not produce fumonisin.

4. Rather, the usual expsoure to fumonisin will be from eating rice,

corn, sugar cane, bananas, asparagus from the tropical and

subtropical regions.

5. The value of the research, however, is to find the actual

mechanism by which mycotoxins produce the neurotoxic results. That

hasn't been well studied yet. To do this they use something they know

is strongly toxic. Once found, then they can look for instances with

other mycotoxins where they don't know for sure. It is a valid and

valuable research method.

6. The Intro for both that directly identifies (incorrectly) the

relevance to damp and wet buildings is probably to justify and

satisfy tlheir funding sources.

To which I reply, " spin " is not the sole provence of presidential

campaigns! Lots of truth but not all the truth because the context

and real meaning is difficult to unweave.

Keep up your excellent searches! Even if the studies you and others

find don't always reveal what we hope for, it is extremely

educational for us all. And that, afterall, is the most important

part of all this -- finding information we can understand and trust

so we can make better decisions.

Carl

---------------------

Carl E.Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

grimes@...

303-671-9653

303-751-0416 fax

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