Re: Nail fungus- Comments on vinegar

[Guest guest]

Some of your advice on the sickbuilding board is useful, but please don't

alarm unnecessarily when you don't know what you are talking about. I don't

know whether vinegar will affect nail fungus, but I do know that there are

no petroleum distillates left in white vinegar.

It is true that white vinegar contains acetic acid made by oxidation of

ethylene. Ethylene is a gas extracted from natural gas, and purified of all

higher petroleum fractions. The acetic acid is purified to a high degree,

then diluted in water to just 5% to make vinegar. Petroleum distillates are

not soluble in water without a suitable emulsifier, and acetic acid is not

good enough an emulsifier.

Many of the products we use, even eat, every day, have components made

synthetically from irritating or toxic materials. This includes most

medicines, even antibiotics and immune suppressants, many of which were

derived from molds. Rather than being chemophobic, become chemical aware.

And don't be mislead by hysterical rantings.

Gil

Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:36:59 +0000 (UTC)

From: Angel MCS <jap2bemc@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Nail fungus

Have to be careful which white vinegar you use....most are petroleum

distillates.

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004, tigerpaw2c wrote:

>Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:17:56 -0000 From: tigerpaw2c

><tigerpaw2C@...> Reply- To:

> Subject: [] Re: Nail fungus

>

>What I recommend is white vinegar. I have seen and heard from many people

>that it does work for nail fungus . What is does is lower the pH level that

>fungi have a difficult time growing in.

>

>KC

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[Guest guest]

Some of your advice on the sickbuilding board is useful, but please don't

alarm unnecessarily when you don't know what you are talking about. I don't

know whether vinegar will affect nail fungus, but I do know that there are

no petroleum distillates left in white vinegar.

It is true that white vinegar contains acetic acid made by oxidation of

ethylene. Ethylene is a gas extracted from natural gas, and purified of all

higher petroleum fractions. The acetic acid is purified to a high degree,

then diluted in water to just 5% to make vinegar. Petroleum distillates are

not soluble in water without a suitable emulsifier, and acetic acid is not

good enough an emulsifier.

Many of the products we use, even eat, every day, have components made

synthetically from irritating or toxic materials. This includes most

medicines, even antibiotics and immune suppressants, many of which were

derived from molds. Rather than being chemophobic, become chemical aware.

And don't be mislead by hysterical rantings.

Gil

Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:36:59 +0000 (UTC)

From: Angel MCS <jap2bemc@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Nail fungus

Have to be careful which white vinegar you use....most are petroleum

distillates.

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004, tigerpaw2c wrote:

>Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:17:56 -0000 From: tigerpaw2c

><tigerpaw2C@...> Reply- To:

> Subject: [] Re: Nail fungus

>

>What I recommend is white vinegar. I have seen and heard from many people

>that it does work for nail fungus . What is does is lower the pH level that

>fungi have a difficult time growing in.

>

>KC

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[Guest guest]

Like your husband, I spent 32 years as an organic analytical chemist. I am

quite familiar with solubilities and organic syntheses, and reasonably

knowledgeable in petrochemistry. The harshest effect of vinegar is simply

from the acetic acid, and perhaps a little propionic acid, from traces of

propylene in the ethylene. Propionic acid is also metabolizable, and

non-toxic. There are no petroleum distillates in it, because there were none

in the gas from which it was made.

One other person commented something like " the vinegar shouldn't be diluted

with water, since that is what we are trying to avoid. " Vinegar is 95% water

already.

Gil

----Original Message Follows----

From: Angel MCS <jap2bemc@...>

Gil Vice <gilvice@...>

CC:

Subject: Re: Re: Nail fungus- Comments on vinegar

Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 03:20:25 +0000 (UTC)

Dear Gil:

I was taught this in a nutrition class at college by a PhD with a RD.

Or did my homepath/allopathic practitioner mislead me? As both claim that

it is not safe use to use and they both advocate raw unpasturized apple

cider viengar.

I asked my husband who had a chemical analysis lab in Michigan and he even

said it still has residual amounts in it.

I would tend to side with someone who has 30 years of hard core chemical

analsis then what the food industry or others have to say. Then again they

are saying GMO's are safe which we know are not. *We are here from the

government and here to help you*

Angel

On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, Gil Vice wrote:

Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:27:11 -0400

From: Gil Vice <gilvice@...>

jap2bemc@...

Cc: @...

Subject: Re: Re: Nail fungus- Comments on vinegar

Some of your advice on the sickbuilding board is useful, but please don't

alarm unnecessarily when you don't know what you are talking about. I don't

know whether vinegar will affect nail fungus, but I do know that there are

no petroleum distillates left in white vinegar.

It is true that white vinegar contains acetic acid made by oxidation of

ethylene. Ethylene is a gas extracted from natural gas, and purified of all

higher petroleum fractions. The acetic acid is purified to a high degree,

then diluted in water to just 5% to make vinegar. Petroleum distillates are

not soluble in water without a suitable emulsifier, and acetic acid is not

good enough an emulsifier.

Many of the products we use, even eat, every day, have components made

synthetically from irritating or toxic materials. This includes most

medicines, even antibiotics and immune suppressants, many of which were

derived from molds. Rather than being chemophobic, become chemical aware.

And don't be mislead by hysterical rantings.

Gil

Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:36:59 +0000 (UTC)

From: Angel MCS <jap2bemc@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Nail fungus

Have to be careful which white vinegar you use....most are petroleum

distillates.

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004, tigerpaw2c wrote:

Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:17:56 -0000

From: tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2C@...>

Reply-

Subject: [] Re: Nail fungus

What I recommend is white vinegar. I have seen and heard from many

people that it does work for nail fungus . What is does is lower the

pH level that fungi have a difficult time growing in.

KC

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[Guest guest]

Like your husband, I spent 32 years as an organic analytical chemist. I am

quite familiar with solubilities and organic syntheses, and reasonably

knowledgeable in petrochemistry. The harshest effect of vinegar is simply

from the acetic acid, and perhaps a little propionic acid, from traces of

propylene in the ethylene. Propionic acid is also metabolizable, and

non-toxic. There are no petroleum distillates in it, because there were none

in the gas from which it was made.

One other person commented something like " the vinegar shouldn't be diluted

with water, since that is what we are trying to avoid. " Vinegar is 95% water

already.

Gil

----Original Message Follows----

From: Angel MCS <jap2bemc@...>

Gil Vice <gilvice@...>

CC:

Subject: Re: Re: Nail fungus- Comments on vinegar

Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 03:20:25 +0000 (UTC)

Dear Gil:

I was taught this in a nutrition class at college by a PhD with a RD.

Or did my homepath/allopathic practitioner mislead me? As both claim that

it is not safe use to use and they both advocate raw unpasturized apple

cider viengar.

I asked my husband who had a chemical analysis lab in Michigan and he even

said it still has residual amounts in it.

I would tend to side with someone who has 30 years of hard core chemical

analsis then what the food industry or others have to say. Then again they

are saying GMO's are safe which we know are not. *We are here from the

government and here to help you*

Angel

On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, Gil Vice wrote:

Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:27:11 -0400

From: Gil Vice <gilvice@...>

jap2bemc@...

Cc: @...

Subject: Re: Re: Nail fungus- Comments on vinegar

Some of your advice on the sickbuilding board is useful, but please don't

alarm unnecessarily when you don't know what you are talking about. I don't

know whether vinegar will affect nail fungus, but I do know that there are

no petroleum distillates left in white vinegar.

It is true that white vinegar contains acetic acid made by oxidation of

ethylene. Ethylene is a gas extracted from natural gas, and purified of all

higher petroleum fractions. The acetic acid is purified to a high degree,

then diluted in water to just 5% to make vinegar. Petroleum distillates are

not soluble in water without a suitable emulsifier, and acetic acid is not

good enough an emulsifier.

Many of the products we use, even eat, every day, have components made

synthetically from irritating or toxic materials. This includes most

medicines, even antibiotics and immune suppressants, many of which were

derived from molds. Rather than being chemophobic, become chemical aware.

And don't be mislead by hysterical rantings.

Gil

Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:36:59 +0000 (UTC)

From: Angel MCS <jap2bemc@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Nail fungus

Have to be careful which white vinegar you use....most are petroleum

distillates.

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004, tigerpaw2c wrote:

Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:17:56 -0000

From: tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2C@...>

Reply-

Subject: [] Re: Nail fungus

What I recommend is white vinegar. I have seen and heard from many

people that it does work for nail fungus . What is does is lower the

pH level that fungi have a difficult time growing in.

KC

_________________________________________________________________

Watch the online reality show Mixed Messages with a friend and enter to win

a trip to NY

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[Guest guest]

I guess it boils down to what does and does not work for the affected.

However, cautionary practical advice has just as much value as the firehose of

technical information we're all continually exposed to here. Thanks for the

insight, Gil, and if you feel the warning was warranted, Angel, thanks for

that as well.

This is a brave new world, any levels of reactivity would not surprise me.

>

> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:17:56 -0000

> From: tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2C@n...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: [] Re: Nail fungus

>

> What I recommend is white vinegar. I have seen and heard from many

> people that it does work for nail fungus . What is does is lower the

> pH level that fungi have a difficult time growing in.

>

> KC

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> Watch the online reality show Mixed Messages with a friend and enter to win

> a trip to NY

> http://www.msnmessenger-download.click-url.com/go/onm00200497ave/direct/01/

[Guest guest]

I guess it boils down to what does and does not work for the affected.

However, cautionary practical advice has just as much value as the firehose of

technical information we're all continually exposed to here. Thanks for the

insight, Gil, and if you feel the warning was warranted, Angel, thanks for

that as well.

This is a brave new world, any levels of reactivity would not surprise me.

>

> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:17:56 -0000

> From: tigerpaw2c <tigerpaw2C@n...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: [] Re: Nail fungus

>

> What I recommend is white vinegar. I have seen and heard from many

> people that it does work for nail fungus . What is does is lower the

> pH level that fungi have a difficult time growing in.

>

> KC

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> Watch the online reality show Mixed Messages with a friend and enter to win

> a trip to NY

> http://www.msnmessenger-download.click-url.com/go/onm00200497ave/direct/01/