Re: Mold that ails home sickens suffering family

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the article on the sick house in Salem. They bring up the point

that when a furnace is contaminated by mold, not to spread it about the house.

Do any of you have information on how to treat an AC to prevent mold spores

from living on the floor of the AC/furnace and spreading them throughout the

house?

I have no qualms about treating the floor below the intake filter with

bleach, but can I do this under the AC part? 30% bleach is wonderful in taking

the

mold population down. I can really tell the difference after the bleach smell

leaves, but am afraid to use it where other chemical residues may still be

present.

Thanks,

Eva

P.S.: Have any of you had experience with the kits offered to test for mold?

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the article on the sick house in Salem. They bring up the point

that when a furnace is contaminated by mold, not to spread it about the house.

Do any of you have information on how to treat an AC to prevent mold spores

from living on the floor of the AC/furnace and spreading them throughout the

house?

I have no qualms about treating the floor below the intake filter with

bleach, but can I do this under the AC part? 30% bleach is wonderful in taking

the

mold population down. I can really tell the difference after the bleach smell

leaves, but am afraid to use it where other chemical residues may still be

present.

Thanks,

Eva

P.S.: Have any of you had experience with the kits offered to test for mold?

[Guest guest]

http://www.ttuhsc.edu/SOM/Microbiology/mainweb/aiaq/Sendsamples.html

This is a link to the TX Tech U. Health and Sciences Center, Dept. of

Microbiology and Immunology, in Lubbock TX. They will accept samples and give

detailed directions. Their prices are very fair and they even can test for

mycotoxins

- not just spores. Also, POA, www.policyholdersofamerica.org has a link to

them on their excellent homeowner advocacy site - and more helpful info about

dealing with insurance companies about mold.

[Guest guest]

http://www.ttuhsc.edu/SOM/Microbiology/mainweb/aiaq/Sendsamples.html

This is a link to the TX Tech U. Health and Sciences Center, Dept. of

Microbiology and Immunology, in Lubbock TX. They will accept samples and give

detailed directions. Their prices are very fair and they even can test for

mycotoxins

- not just spores. Also, POA, www.policyholdersofamerica.org has a link to

them on their excellent homeowner advocacy site - and more helpful info about

dealing with insurance companies about mold.

[Guest guest]

I know. It's an immeasurably difficult task sometimes. But your other

choice is to stay where you are and die. There is no amount of help anyone can

offer to get one out of this delimma if their personal choice (and it is a

choice) is to continue to stay in the environment that is killing them.

I am sorry to be so brutal. I know how horrible it is. But bottom line, if

one can't do WHATEVER IT TAKES to get out, then there is a good chance they

are going to eventually die from the situation anyway. And there is nothing

that anyone can do to stop this but themselves. I hear from mold victims all

the time who need help. I guess I am just getting a little callus to people

who ask for your help and then give you 1001 reasons why they can't help

themselves. As you can probably tell, it is a pet peeve of mine.

[Guest guest]

It is very hard to start over again. Thank God I had good friends to help me.

I moved three times before I found a safe apartment. I got sick at work so I

lost my job. The Portsmouth Naval Shipyard didnt want an employee sick from

their basement and making it public.But I had friends and family to help and I

am lucky that I did.But it is SO difficult.I sympathize with those of you who

feel you cant leave your homes.

Janet

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/26/2005 9:48:40 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Gingersnap1964@... writes:

I sympathize with those of you who

feel you cant leave your homes.

Janet

I do too, Janet. But...I find it very frustrating to have people

desparately crying for help when there is nothing that can be done to help them

if they

are knowingly staying in an environment that is killing them. I would take

my family an go live on the streets of the South Side of Chigago before I

would knowing leave my sick children in a moldie indoor environment. The

streets of the South Side of Chicago would be much safer for them.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

My grandmother had the same problem, city water backflowing into the

basement, fortunatley, insurance paid for the clean up- three

times., after the first two times, she had a backflow stopper

installed, at about $1000. Then a second one installed after that

one clogged and flooded the basement again, and we are talking sewer

water backing into the basement. Now they have 2 backflow stoppers,

and an insurance co. that won't pay again to clean it up. after the

last time, I went in the basement, nearly killed me, the remediator

went down there and said it was lucky no one had been taken to the

hospital because of the mold down there. THEN THEY BELIEVED ME. The

moral here is don't ever put pluming into a basement, even with a

backflow installed, it can fail.

during

> rainstorms, city drains back up and flow into their basement,

beginning in November

> of 1999.

> Later they say, mold took hold in their basement and caused

serious medical

> problems amongst their five children.

[Guest guest]

I still can't believe that becoming homeless is a solution. there's got to be

another way around this. There's got to be another way.

erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> escribió:

> One expert, who has conducted tests on the air quality of the home

and written a report on the mold spores has told the family they

may have to abandon the home if the health problems continue or

worsen.

" Where would we go?, " says , " we don't have the money to get

out even if we wanted to "

>

Here's the irony!

The bitter choice that they are resisting is really the path that

leads out of this mess.

The illness takes everything you've got and leaves you clinging to

the tattered shreds of your shattered life.

The best thing that could happen is to " hit bottom " and be forced

out of the situation that is killing them.

If these people finally wound up sleeping in their car on the

streets, or out in the woods in a tent - they might be surprised at

their level of recovery, which creates more options for reclaiming

their lives.

Remaining in a place that is still driving them under the " immune

power curve " can only lead to worse things to come.

-

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/26/2005 12:01:21 PM Pacific Standard Time,

thunder_road2000@... writes:

People hope for another solution that does not involve homelessness and

financial bankrupcy. The mold issue is puzzling and overwhelming.

Yes, I know. But another solution is not likely to come if one stays in an

environment that makes them physically sicker and clouds their thought

processes. Not allowing them to work through to a viable solution. I am not

saying I am mad at these poor souls. I am simply saying it is quite

frustrating

to have people be so desparate and want you to help them. But you can't.

There is nothing you can do if they are not willing (and I know it is tough,

but

not willing) to move forward.

Another thing people need to understand, is that if you are in litigation

and you are intending to claim personal injury from mold exposure in your

lawsuit, if you knowingly stay in a hazardous environment, they will use it

against you in court!

Sharon

[Guest guest]

I think allot of people will have to come to the realization that if

they go back into their house for one more night they will

die.Please don't loose sympathy for these people, because one of the

major symptoms is nuerological. How to think straight with your

brain full of mycotoxins? hopefully they will get out before it is

irreversable, if that is possible, because As we know, you are

irreversably changed by mold.

> ,

>

> I couldn't agree with you more. One of the things that drives me

right up

> the wall, is when mold victims call and say they are very sick

and they ask

> for help. And you explain to them that they have to get out.

Then, they give

> 1001 reasons why they can't leave the place that is making them

sick. I

> understand that it's a tough decision. Been there, done that. I

understand that

> it is difficult to leave and it completely disrupts your family's

routine and

> your finances. But, it is a ridiculous position to want to stay

in an

> environment that is taking your health because that environment

has monetary value

> or you have no where else to go. Would people stay in a burning

building

> simply because they have nowhere else to go?

>

> When people tell me they know they and their children are very

sick from

> their environment they live in, but they absolutely cannot leave

this

> environment, my sympathy level goes down to about zero. How could

anybody KNOWINGLY

> leave their children in such an environment?

>

> Sharon

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

People hope for another solution that does not involve homelessness and

financial bankrupcy. The mold issue is puzzling and overwhelming.

snk1955@... escribió:

In a message dated 7/26/2005 7:26:55 AM Pacific Standard Time,

erikmoldwarrior@... writes:

Here's the irony!

The bitter choice that they are resisting is really the path that

leads out of this mess.

The illness takes everything you've got and leaves you clinging to

the tattered shreds of your shattered life.

The best thing that could happen is to " hit bottom " and be forced

out of the situation that is killing them.

If these people finally wound up sleeping in their car on the

streets, or out in the woods in a tent - they might be surprised at

their level of recovery, which creates more options for reclaiming

their lives.

Remaining in a place that is still driving them under the " immune

power curve " can only lead to worse things to come.

-

,

I couldn't agree with you more. One of the things that drives me right up

the wall, is when mold victims call and say they are very sick and they ask

for help. And you explain to them that they have to get out. Then, they give

1001 reasons why they can't leave the place that is making them sick. I

understand that it's a tough decision. Been there, done that. I understand

that

it is difficult to leave and it completely disrupts your family's routine and

your finances. But, it is a ridiculous position to want to stay in an

environment that is taking your health because that environment has monetary

value

or you have no where else to go. Would people stay in a burning building

simply because they have nowhere else to go?

When people tell me they know they and their children are very sick from

their environment they live in, but they absolutely cannot leave this

environment, my sympathy level goes down to about zero. How could anybody

KNOWINGLY

leave their children in such an environment?

Sharon

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/26/2005 4:33:04 PM Pacific Standard Time,

ldelp84227@... writes:

And don't forget about the people with MCS. We just can't go where

ever. It is all dangerous for us. So what do you choose, mold, air

pollution, a family member with many chemicals. I don't know I am not

harsh on anyone in this situation. I know my mom is in danger, she

knows how ill I am. She is ill but she doesn't have mcs yet. I don't

know which is worse fungal disease or the chemical thing. It all

hurts. I guess it all depends on what kind of support system you have.

,

My heart goes out to you for your plight. But as puts it, the " Brutal

Reality " is that you have two choices, find somewhere else, or stay there and

die.

As you put it:

At least if there is a fire, people help you out and care. That is not

usually the case with mold.

Your words are very true. So does that mean because they rest of the world

is not willing to help you, that your only choice is to stay in an

environment that is killing you?

With all due respect and sympathy, stop thinking about why you can't do it

and start thinking about how you are going to do it.

WR

Sharon

[Guest guest]

1.She lives in Apartment R-100 of the Gateway Terrace Retirement Facility in

HUD housing. It is on the corner of NE 7th street and 19th avenue in east

Ft Lauderdale. Her name is Diane Cline.

I do not have her number on me at the moment, but if you call Ann later

she can give it to you.

We already took pictures and called Clay Shaw, since its in his area.

She has three cats and they are her life............that's why she is

really scared of eviction right now.

They don't care it seem many are living this way and see no way out Please

let me know about them all I had a death in my family so I will be away

starting tomorrow When I get back I will go see Miss Cline my site below is to

raise funds to help as many as I can and that is what we will do.

I lived under HUD Housing that's where I become ILL I landed there because I

become disable another's My Story below.

www.adspread.com/erbn.htm

www.adspread.com/edition3.htm My Story # 5

RE: [] Re: Mold that ails home sickens suffering family

I still can't believe that becoming homeless is a solution. there's got to be

another way around this. There's got to be another way.

erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> escribió:

> One expert, who has conducted tests on the air quality of the home

and written a report on the mold spores has told the family they

may have to abandon the home if the health problems continue or

worsen.

" Where would we go?, " says , " we don't have the money to get

out even if we wanted to "

>

Here's the irony!

The bitter choice that they are resisting is really the path that

leads out of this mess.

The illness takes everything you've got and leaves you clinging to

the tattered shreds of your shattered life.

The best thing that could happen is to " hit bottom " and be forced

out of the situation that is killing them.

If these people finally wound up sleeping in their car on the

streets, or out in the woods in a tent - they might be surprised at

their level of recovery, which creates more options for reclaiming

their lives.

Remaining in a place that is still driving them under the " immune

power curve " can only lead to worse things to come.

-

FAIR USE NOTICE:

[Guest guest]

>

> In a message dated 7/26/2005 12:01:21 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> thunder_road2000@y... writes:

>

> People hope for another solution that does not involve homelessness

and

> financial bankrupcy. The mold issue is puzzling and overwhelming.

>

>

And don't forget about the people with MCS. We just can't go where

ever. It is all dangerous for us. So what do you choose, mold, air

pollution, a family member with many chemicals. I don't know I am not

harsh on anyone in this situation. I know my mom is in danger, she

knows how ill I am. She is ill but she doesn't have mcs yet. I don't

know which is worse fungal disease or the chemical thing. It all

hurts. I guess it all depends on what kind of support system you have.

Atleast if there is a fire, people help you out and care. That is not

usually the case with mold.

[Guest guest]

> Yes, I know. But another solution is not likely to come if one

stays in an environment that makes them physically sicker >

That's the brutal reality.

If somebody stays, to avoid homelessness, they just wind up either

dead, or just crawling out even sicker with less money and fewer

options.

Not to mention an even greater degree of reactivity which means fewer

tolerable places to go.

Get out early enough, and " Homeless " isn't even a consideration, you

just move - like normal people do.

If people could bring themselves to learn from the people who

have " been there and done it " they could get out long before being

driven to such a state of desperation.

But when they are surrounded by doctors and mold denialists, they can

scarcely bring themselves to listen to " hysterical sounding mold

crazies " and just keep on going, until eventually, they too are

destroyed and become one of those " crazies " that no one will listen to.

It's kind of like giving people the choice of jumping from a runaway

train right after noticing the brakes are gone: " You can look for a

soft place while the train is still slow, or you can wait until the

train jumps the rails at the steep downgrade over Deadmans Gulch "

When people choose to ride it out until the crash, you still feel

sorry for them, but you say to yourself " Bad choice " .

-

[Guest guest]

, I agree with you, but people don't know what is going to happen to them.

I understand your analogy about jumping off of the train, but in this case, some

people can't tell how fast the train is going.

Some people don't know how sick they are going to get.

erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote:

> Yes, I know. But another solution is not likely to come if one

stays in an environment that makes them physically sicker >

That's the brutal reality.

If somebody stays, to avoid homelessness, they just wind up either

dead, or just crawling out even sicker with less money and fewer

options.

Not to mention an even greater degree of reactivity which means fewer

tolerable places to go.

Get out early enough, and " Homeless " isn't even a consideration, you

just move - like normal people do.

If people could bring themselves to learn from the people who

have " been there and done it " they could get out long before being

driven to such a state of desperation.

But when they are surrounded by doctors and mold denialists, they can

scarcely bring themselves to listen to " hysterical sounding mold

crazies " and just keep on going, until eventually, they too are

destroyed and become one of those " crazies " that no one will listen to.

It's kind of like giving people the choice of jumping from a runaway

train right after noticing the brakes are gone: " You can look for a

soft place while the train is still slow, or you can wait until the

train jumps the rails at the steep downgrade over Deadmans Gulch "

When people choose to ride it out until the crash, you still feel

sorry for them, but you say to yourself " Bad choice " .

-

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[Guest guest]

I sympathize with those of you who

feel you cant leave your homes.

Janet

So do I Janet,

So do I, Funny thing many live in HUD Housing and are being placed on the

street disable babies the hold nine yards, if they say a word about mold and HUD

and the Courts stand only by the side of the landlord that was in

Fortlauderdale. Boca one thing I can say about them they tell you to bring

something from the Doctor they honor that. Not Broward but this also say about

Boca they know so why do they wait until people get sick before they do any

thing but I guess it's better late than never.

All that see Miss Cline and my story I went from the fields, and a few other

jobs then become a Banquet Waitress Beverly Hills I got Hurt at The Hilton NO

JUSTICE for my injuries. Then I both a Ford Van 1995 a Recall I bounced off I95

no other cars was involved again No Justice for my injuries only half fixed my

car insurance. Then come a Miami Beach Police Officer while talking to another

officer a kind one Jumped in and now my head it feels as if it doesn't fit my

body the Pain Yet again NO JUSTICE for my Injuries and Mold cause more pain. I

live of SSA you wouldn't believe what I have to live on from SSA after all I

made very, Very, good money. I don't think it fair Medicare and Medicaid has to

pay my Medical bill when the Companies above and HUD Housing with the Mold cause

My Illness as for Miss Cline she work her 70 years of life and ended up down

here on the ground as well so I ask Think could this happen to you!?.

Please remember it takes time for me to answer Very bad Pain, I'm once again in

more Mold Hard Brick Floor and a Bad Bed Cost over $2000.00 I have to pay most

of it back story about the bed later. No one will help with my cases 2 are in

the hands of the Judge StuitField 954-831-7809 has one and the other? I don't

know how to fight this alone not Educated enough to much Mold in the Court House

I have to ware a mask and they do respect that fact also a turban over my hair

but really need protection for my eyes. Again can this happen to you are someone

you love?

By the way my signs on my car I had good responses today off I95 so I showed

them I also had on a t-shirt.

Solution What is the Solution

What say You

Peace

Elvira

Re: [] Re: Mold that ails home sickens suffering family

In a message dated 7/26/2005 9:48:40 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Gingersnap1964@... writes:

I sympathize with those of you who

feel you cant leave your homes.

Janet

I do too, Janet. But...I find it very frustrating to have people

desparately crying for help when there is nothing that can be done to help

them if they

are knowingly staying in an environment that is killing them. I would take

my family an go live on the streets of the South Side of Chigago before I

would knowing leave my sick children in a moldie indoor environment. The

streets of the South Side of Chicago would be much safer for them.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

There is simply no end to how bad this can get.

Sufferers describe it pretty darn well, but the problem is that

people who haven't experienced it simply cannot wrap their

imagination around anything that sounds so extreme.

So I don't try to paint them a horrific scenario as much as just

explain to them that " whatever level you are at - if you aren't

happy and it's getting progressively worse despite your best

efforts, expect that trend to continue and ask your self if this is

leading anywhere you want to be? "

" Wouldn't you rather try a bit of avoidance to see if it's worth it? "

I proposed on the Indoor Air Quality board that what is really

needed is the availability of custom built MCS-friendly - easily

remediatable - mold-unfriendly low-cost TRAILERS that can be

relocated to low-mold areas close to where the victims need to be in

order to keep working and/or maintaining school/family contacts.

NOT NEXT TO A MOLD CASTLE, that's too close!

Show people the basics of decontamination procedures and avoidance

of cross contamination and give 'em a damn chance to put their lives

back on track without endless experimental self-medicating and

exorbitantly expensive remediation that has to to be instantly

successful or the whole " house of cards " falls apart.

I thought that if a group of IAQ people who understood the special

requirements of sensitized individuals approached an RV

manufacturer, a special fleet of customized " plain jane " survival

modules could be constructed and deployed to maximum benefit of

society at a reasonable cost.

I thought this was a sensible proposal for an approach to a rapidly

emerging problem, but if I am allowed to express my chronic dismay

at the lack of common sense with which people approach this

problem; " The dang fools didn't listen to me again " .

Oh well, whatcha' gonna do?

( I already GOT my custom built mold unfriendly RV and it works

exactly as it should - Fabulous! )

-

[Guest guest]

Re: staying or leaving

I feel if I go through the trouble to clean my own home, Iwill know what to

look for in another home instead of ending up in just a different moldy

home after the expense of moving.

For example, I thought I was all done cleaning but was assuming rusty spots

on ceiling in living room was from a splatter of some sort from previous

owner, until a new rusty area appeared in a room we do not use. After

discussing with people find that is mold too. I wouldn't know that.

IF BY SOME WAY I COULD LIVE OUTDOORS FOREVER, then that would be good idea

to move outdoors right away. However since I need to move from this home to

another home or apartment I need to know what to look for. *I could EASILY

paint over rusty discolorations here and home would look perfect, it *smells

fines and I have AIR TESTS that say air is good quality, THEREFORE someone

else can and WILL since most people don't even know the discolorations are a

problem. I've asked myself what would be my clue if I were a buyer looking

at this (my own home) if it were freshly painted, as all new homes on the

market are at the very least. Most people at least invest in paint to put

their house up on market. There would be no clue. I would buy this house

if I were interested in this size (which is too large for me, which is

reason I will move in the near future). Even the carpet looks like new even

though it is 40 years old (I know I said I was going to take it up but other

work has taken priority).

From my own experience here, I know I don't want a home with a sump pump.

How do I know? -because I bought one for here and made situation worse as

now I have standing water in my basement all the time as sump doesn't pump

out all water. It has to get so high, before it turns on. Since the amount

of water I get into it is minor (I didn't need a sump pump, wasted money),

sump never turns on, water just sit in there until it finally evaporates. I

learned sump pump is never needed on hilltop locations like mine. I was

taken by promoters but there are others in the neighborhood so other people

buy into this method. I could go on. Air here is clean enough to stay.

Biggest improvement was adding a fresh air intake. I immediately felt

better in my own home and my pet became more animated and energic too. I

thought he wasn't playful anymore due to being a year old and not a kitten

but apparently air was getting him down.

Another thing, I did my air testing in the middle of winter. Now that it is

summer I sneeze while at home so think the humidity changing from being in

the 20's to the 40's could have made a difference in air quality so I think

I would test air in any house I was considering purchasing in July or August

next time, OR go by my reaction to house/thing as suggests in the hot

humid part of the summer. So I wouldn't buy a house in the winter, without

having aire tested it in the humidity of summer first. So I feel I'm

learning from my work of cleaning up my environment until I stop reacting to

it, feel okay here and air tests okay. I think if I went running out the

door at the first sign of trouble, I would most likely run into another mold

problem some place else as I'm convinced there are ALOT of homes out there

unbeknownst to the owners/landlords that have air quality problems. I bet

the number is about 50% or higher.

----- Original Message -----

From: " elvira52 " <Elvira52@...>

>I sympathize with those of you who

> feel you cant leave your homes.

> Janet

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It was me, not Elvira. BarbB

----- Original Message -----

From: <snk1955@...>

> In a message dated 7/27/2005 8:22:12 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> bbw@...

> writes:

>

> So I feel I'm learning from my work of cleaning up my environment until I

> stop reacting to it, feel okay here and air tests okay. I think if I

> went

> running out the...

>

_____>

> Hi Elvira,

>

> If you are one who feels okay in your environment, then yes, it would be

> ridiculous to run out the door.

[Guest guest]

> Re: staying or leaving

> I feel if I go through the trouble to clean my own home, Iwill know

what to

> look for in another home instead of ending up in just a different

moldy

> home after the expense of moving.

I think the next move I would get the mold dogs.