Re: ^Ozone for killing mold

[Guest guest]

I would not want to inhale the ozone as it is a proven lung irritant,

considered to be dangerous - the EPA has a large amount of info on this topic.

Go

to EPA.gov and do a search on Ozone Air Purifiers, Ozone Air Cleaners, etc.

Read about the warnings, etc. That being said, I would use it if I had no other

choices but would be sure to air the room out before occupancy, fully. It is

supposed to dissipate in about two to three hours, from what I have read. I

would not subject myself or others directly to the ozone.

It certainly decontaminates but if the leaks aren't fixed or the source of

the moisture/humidity, it won't solve the problem. That is my understanding - I

have been looking at this and asking experts.

Lastly, ozone levels are high in Alpine, CA, near me. My friend's mother is

dying from pulmonary fibrosis, after moving there for four years or so, and

his wife died from asthma complications within three or four years of moving

there. That has my alarm bells ringing!

SB

[Guest guest]

I would not want to inhale the ozone as it is a proven lung irritant,

considered to be dangerous - the EPA has a large amount of info on this topic.

Go

to EPA.gov and do a search on Ozone Air Purifiers, Ozone Air Cleaners, etc.

Read about the warnings, etc. That being said, I would use it if I had no other

choices but would be sure to air the room out before occupancy, fully. It is

supposed to dissipate in about two to three hours, from what I have read. I

would not subject myself or others directly to the ozone.

It certainly decontaminates but if the leaks aren't fixed or the source of

the moisture/humidity, it won't solve the problem. That is my understanding - I

have been looking at this and asking experts.

Lastly, ozone levels are high in Alpine, CA, near me. My friend's mother is

dying from pulmonary fibrosis, after moving there for four years or so, and

his wife died from asthma complications within three or four years of moving

there. That has my alarm bells ringing!

SB

[Guest guest]

Barb,

There are a lot of opinions out there on the subject of mold control...

Here's mine......

1. Our focus should first be protecting ourselves from the effects of mold

spores... and secondly protecting out home from mold... We must remember that

mold to grow must consume cellulose thus mold in a home is slowly consuming the

wood from which the house was built.. Mold is all around us and in every

room... What affects us is a high concentration of mold spores; at a certain

level we become affected... Good ventilation and controlled humidity are

important... A sealed building invites mold development.

2. We should understand that mold can grow only in a humid environment... If

the humidity is kept below 50% is is difficult for mold to grow and affect our

eyes and lungs... It is also difficult for mold to grow in the sunlight or in

brightly lit areas...

3. If you can smell the mold or mildew it is present and our health can be

affected.

4. Ozone generators can inhibit growth of fungi/mold.. The mustiness of a

mildewed room can be controlled/eliminated by ozone generators..

5. Ion generators electrify the air and make it difficult for mold spores to

float thus making it somewhat difficult for the eyes and nose to be troubled by

the " spore dust " ..

6. Some air purifiers work and work well at controlling mold but many do not....

I'd only buy one with a satisfaction guarantee where you get your money back

within 20 days if it doesn't work to your satisfaction...

Gibala

----- Original Message -----

From: Barb<mailto:barb1283@...>

To:

ToxicMoldandWomen <mailto:ToxicMoldandWomen > ;

<mailto: >

Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 3:40 PM

Subject: [] Ozone for killing mold

What do you all think about this? Ozone for

killing mold:

http://www.mold-kill.com/blackmold.html<http://www.mold-kill.com/blackmold.html>

[Guest guest]

Barb,

There are a lot of opinions out there on the subject of mold control...

Here's mine......

1. Our focus should first be protecting ourselves from the effects of mold

spores... and secondly protecting out home from mold... We must remember that

mold to grow must consume cellulose thus mold in a home is slowly consuming the

wood from which the house was built.. Mold is all around us and in every

room... What affects us is a high concentration of mold spores; at a certain

level we become affected... Good ventilation and controlled humidity are

important... A sealed building invites mold development.

2. We should understand that mold can grow only in a humid environment... If

the humidity is kept below 50% is is difficult for mold to grow and affect our

eyes and lungs... It is also difficult for mold to grow in the sunlight or in

brightly lit areas...

3. If you can smell the mold or mildew it is present and our health can be

affected.

4. Ozone generators can inhibit growth of fungi/mold.. The mustiness of a

mildewed room can be controlled/eliminated by ozone generators..

5. Ion generators electrify the air and make it difficult for mold spores to

float thus making it somewhat difficult for the eyes and nose to be troubled by

the " spore dust " ..

6. Some air purifiers work and work well at controlling mold but many do not....

I'd only buy one with a satisfaction guarantee where you get your money back

within 20 days if it doesn't work to your satisfaction...

Gibala

----- Original Message -----

From: Barb<mailto:barb1283@...>

To:

ToxicMoldandWomen <mailto:ToxicMoldandWomen > ;

<mailto: >

Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 3:40 PM

Subject: [] Ozone for killing mold

What do you all think about this? Ozone for

killing mold:

http://www.mold-kill.com/blackmold.html<http://www.mold-kill.com/blackmold.html>

[Guest guest]

any time I get near ozone it is like sucking dry the air out of my lungs.

Even a small one in the doctors office

Janet

[Guest guest]

any time I get near ozone it is like sucking dry the air out of my lungs.

Even a small one in the doctors office

Janet

[Guest guest]

Ozone is a natural substance occurring in nature between 5 and 60 ppb...

The atmospheric ozone in Alpine CA is mixed with nitrous oxide which is the

principle dangerous substance... The OSHA allows ozone in the workplace of not

more than 100 ppb... The FDA finds no danger in air purifiers emitting not

more than 50 ppb... Residential air purifiers are designed to produce not more

than 32 ppb and are in most cases adjustable downward to no output.. Ozone

like hydrogen peroxide has a relatively short life in the residential

environment due to its immediate activity with fumes and dust..

You inhale more pure Ozone after a rainstorm than is possible from most air

purifiers...

You are correct that mold growth must be controlled by " fixing the leaks " which

allow moisture... But the residual airborne spores are immediately attacked by

any ozone in the air even that amount not detectable by one's nose..

Before one like your friend's mother's lungs can be affected by atmospheric

ozone her eyes and nose will react... Well before you or I can be injured by

atmospheric ozone our eyes and nose will give us fair warning...

Your interpretation of the EPA reports are in conflict with that from the FDA

which is now licensing ozone generators to be used for food sterilization...

The practice of using chlorine [Clorox] to clean and sterilize fruits. While we

are not interested in sterilizing our lungs we should find it most useful in

sterilizing the air we breath...

Airborne contamination can only infect or cause an allergic reaction at a

certain concentration... The easiest and possibly the safest way to manage

infection is to reduce the concentration of airborne particles and germs... Our

natural immune systems should be able to handle the occasional single germ or

allergen we inhale... We only develop an infection when we ingest a

concentration of germs sufficient to overwhelm our immune system...

Maintaining a minimum amount of room ozone is one way to afford clean and

healthy air in the household...

I respectfully reject the notion that any ozone is dangerous...

Respectfully,

kg

----- Original Message -----

From: nomoreschoolmold@...<mailto:nomoreschoolmold@...>

<mailto: >

Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 9:29 PM

Subject: Re: [] ^Ozone for killing mold

I would not want to inhale the ozone as it is a proven lung irritant,

considered to be dangerous - the EPA has a large amount of info on this topic.

Go

to EPA.gov and do a search on Ozone Air Purifiers, Ozone Air Cleaners, etc.

Read about the warnings, etc. That being said, I would use it if I had no

other

choices but would be sure to air the room out before occupancy, fully. It is

supposed to dissipate in about two to three hours, from what I have read. I

would not subject myself or others directly to the ozone.

It certainly decontaminates but if the leaks aren't fixed or the source of

the moisture/humidity, it won't solve the problem. That is my understanding -

I

have been looking at this and asking experts.

Lastly, ozone levels are high in Alpine, CA, near me. My friend's mother is

dying from pulmonary fibrosis, after moving there for four years or so, and

his wife died from asthma complications within three or four years of moving

there. That has my alarm bells ringing!

SB

[Guest guest]

Ozone is a natural substance occurring in nature between 5 and 60 ppb...

The atmospheric ozone in Alpine CA is mixed with nitrous oxide which is the

principle dangerous substance... The OSHA allows ozone in the workplace of not

more than 100 ppb... The FDA finds no danger in air purifiers emitting not

more than 50 ppb... Residential air purifiers are designed to produce not more

than 32 ppb and are in most cases adjustable downward to no output.. Ozone

like hydrogen peroxide has a relatively short life in the residential

environment due to its immediate activity with fumes and dust..

You inhale more pure Ozone after a rainstorm than is possible from most air

purifiers...

You are correct that mold growth must be controlled by " fixing the leaks " which

allow moisture... But the residual airborne spores are immediately attacked by

any ozone in the air even that amount not detectable by one's nose..

Before one like your friend's mother's lungs can be affected by atmospheric

ozone her eyes and nose will react... Well before you or I can be injured by

atmospheric ozone our eyes and nose will give us fair warning...

Your interpretation of the EPA reports are in conflict with that from the FDA

which is now licensing ozone generators to be used for food sterilization...

The practice of using chlorine [Clorox] to clean and sterilize fruits. While we

are not interested in sterilizing our lungs we should find it most useful in

sterilizing the air we breath...

Airborne contamination can only infect or cause an allergic reaction at a

certain concentration... The easiest and possibly the safest way to manage

infection is to reduce the concentration of airborne particles and germs... Our

natural immune systems should be able to handle the occasional single germ or

allergen we inhale... We only develop an infection when we ingest a

concentration of germs sufficient to overwhelm our immune system...

Maintaining a minimum amount of room ozone is one way to afford clean and

healthy air in the household...

I respectfully reject the notion that any ozone is dangerous...

Respectfully,

kg

----- Original Message -----

From: nomoreschoolmold@...<mailto:nomoreschoolmold@...>

<mailto: >

Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 9:29 PM

Subject: Re: [] ^Ozone for killing mold

I would not want to inhale the ozone as it is a proven lung irritant,

considered to be dangerous - the EPA has a large amount of info on this topic.

Go

to EPA.gov and do a search on Ozone Air Purifiers, Ozone Air Cleaners, etc.

Read about the warnings, etc. That being said, I would use it if I had no

other

choices but would be sure to air the room out before occupancy, fully. It is

supposed to dissipate in about two to three hours, from what I have read. I

would not subject myself or others directly to the ozone.

It certainly decontaminates but if the leaks aren't fixed or the source of

the moisture/humidity, it won't solve the problem. That is my understanding -

I

have been looking at this and asking experts.

Lastly, ozone levels are high in Alpine, CA, near me. My friend's mother is

dying from pulmonary fibrosis, after moving there for four years or so, and

his wife died from asthma complications within three or four years of moving

there. That has my alarm bells ringing!

SB

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/6/2004 9:50:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

nomoreschoolmold@... writes:

Go

to EPA.gov and do a search on Ozone Air Purifiers, Ozone Air Cleaners, etc.

Read about the warnings, etc.

" Ozone Generators that are Sold as Air Cleaners: An Assessment of

Effectiveness and Health Consequences "

_http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html_

(http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html)

There is a large body of written material on ozone and the use of ozone

indoors. However, much of this material makes claims or draws conclusions

without

substantiation and sound science. In developing Ozone Generators that are

Sold as Air Cleaners, the EPA reviewed a wide assortment of this literature,

including information provided by a leading manufacturer of ozone generating

devices. In keeping with EPA's policy of insuring that the information it

provides is based on sound science, only peer reviewed, scientifically

supported

findings and conclusions were relied upon in developing this document.

Several brands of ozone generators have EPA establishment number on their

packaging. This number helps EPA identify the specific facility that produces

the product. THE DISPLAY OF THIS NUMBER DOES NOT IMPLY EPA ENDORSEMENT OR

SUGGEST IN ANY WAY THAT EPA HAS FOUND THE PRODUCT TO BE EITHER SAFE OR

EFFECTIVE.

American Lung Association: Air Cleaners

_http://www.lungusa.org/site/apps/s/content.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E & b=34706 & ct=67087_

(http://www.lungusa.org/site/apps/s/content.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E & b=34706 & ct=67087)

OZONE PRODUCTION

Some air cleaners (called ozone generators) use an electrical charge to

generate ozone. Although ozone (also referred to as trivalent oxygen or

saturated

oxygen) is a necessary part of the upper atmosphere (10-30 miles above us),

in the part of the atmosphere we breathe, ozone is a potent lung irritant. It

can have damaging health effects, especially for persons with asthma and

other lung diseases, children and the elderly. It is produced directly by ozone

generators and indirectly by ion generators and some other electronic air

cleaners. The FDA has set a limit of 0.05 parts per million of ozone in indoor

air. Ask whether any electronic air cleaner you are considering buying has

been tested for ozone production. The American Lung Association suggests that

ozone generators not be used.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/6/2004 9:50:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

nomoreschoolmold@... writes:

Go

to EPA.gov and do a search on Ozone Air Purifiers, Ozone Air Cleaners, etc.

Read about the warnings, etc.

" Ozone Generators that are Sold as Air Cleaners: An Assessment of

Effectiveness and Health Consequences "

_http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html_

(http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html)

There is a large body of written material on ozone and the use of ozone

indoors. However, much of this material makes claims or draws conclusions

without

substantiation and sound science. In developing Ozone Generators that are

Sold as Air Cleaners, the EPA reviewed a wide assortment of this literature,

including information provided by a leading manufacturer of ozone generating

devices. In keeping with EPA's policy of insuring that the information it

provides is based on sound science, only peer reviewed, scientifically

supported

findings and conclusions were relied upon in developing this document.

Several brands of ozone generators have EPA establishment number on their

packaging. This number helps EPA identify the specific facility that produces

the product. THE DISPLAY OF THIS NUMBER DOES NOT IMPLY EPA ENDORSEMENT OR

SUGGEST IN ANY WAY THAT EPA HAS FOUND THE PRODUCT TO BE EITHER SAFE OR

EFFECTIVE.

American Lung Association: Air Cleaners

_http://www.lungusa.org/site/apps/s/content.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E & b=34706 & ct=67087_

(http://www.lungusa.org/site/apps/s/content.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E & b=34706 & ct=67087)

OZONE PRODUCTION

Some air cleaners (called ozone generators) use an electrical charge to

generate ozone. Although ozone (also referred to as trivalent oxygen or

saturated

oxygen) is a necessary part of the upper atmosphere (10-30 miles above us),

in the part of the atmosphere we breathe, ozone is a potent lung irritant. It

can have damaging health effects, especially for persons with asthma and

other lung diseases, children and the elderly. It is produced directly by ozone

generators and indirectly by ion generators and some other electronic air

cleaners. The FDA has set a limit of 0.05 parts per million of ozone in indoor

air. Ask whether any electronic air cleaner you are considering buying has

been tested for ozone production. The American Lung Association suggests that

ozone generators not be used.

[Guest guest]

I understand your predicament....

We all have different degrees of tolerance to various agents...

While you may have a negative reaction to any smell of ozone others do not...

But don't you agree the odor at the doctor's office you find repulsive must be

found necessary by the doctor??

I'd guess if you asked the doctor he might agree with you that it is a repulsive

smell but the smell tells him there is an adequate degree of sterilization at

his facility...

All is not peaches and cream!

My home air purifier does put out a tad of ozone but if anyone becomes the

slightest bit annoyed with it I turn on a ceiling fan and it disappears...

Ozone has a very short life indoors as it ceases to be ozone when it collides

with anything...

kg

======================================

----- Original Message -----

From: Gingersnap1964@...<mailto:Gingersnap1964@...>

<mailto: >

Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:39 AM

Subject: Re: [] ^Ozone for killing mold

any time I get near ozone it is like sucking dry the air out of my lungs.

Even a small one in the doctors office

Janet

[Guest guest]

I understand your predicament....

We all have different degrees of tolerance to various agents...

While you may have a negative reaction to any smell of ozone others do not...

But don't you agree the odor at the doctor's office you find repulsive must be

found necessary by the doctor??

I'd guess if you asked the doctor he might agree with you that it is a repulsive

smell but the smell tells him there is an adequate degree of sterilization at

his facility...

All is not peaches and cream!

My home air purifier does put out a tad of ozone but if anyone becomes the

slightest bit annoyed with it I turn on a ceiling fan and it disappears...

Ozone has a very short life indoors as it ceases to be ozone when it collides

with anything...

kg

======================================

----- Original Message -----

From: Gingersnap1964@...<mailto:Gingersnap1964@...>

<mailto: >

Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:39 AM

Subject: Re: [] ^Ozone for killing mold

any time I get near ozone it is like sucking dry the air out of my lungs.

Even a small one in the doctors office

Janet