OZONE

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Angel is right on the topic of ozone. Ozone is an irritant recognized by EPA

and OSHA (ozone has legitimate industrial uses when properly controlled) as

a health hazard when present at levels of 100 ppb in air. It is normally

found in urban smog, produced as a by-product of hydrocarbon contamunation

in the air from unburned motor fuel (a reason to keep your car well

maintained). The source can also be lightening, intense ultraviolet light,

or electrical discharge, as in many ozone generators. Contrary to the claims

of ozone generator manufacturers, all are equally irritating, leading to

lung damage. While ozone may make the air smell fresh, it is still

dangerous. Please read the EPA web page on ozone.

Without elimination of the water problems leading to mold growth, ozone is

a band-aid approach to a serious wound. A dangerous waste of money. Ozone in

high enough concentration to destroy mold may also destroy drapes, carpet,

and upholstery, as well as oxidized some other materials to even worse

irritants.

If you decide to try ozone anyway, use a unit with a timer which shuts off

by itself. Ozone has a half-life of about 20 minutes. So, wait about 2 hours

after going off before entering an ozonated room. Don't expect miracles, and

be prepared for the worst.

Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:43:55 +0000 (UTC)

From: Angel MCS <jap2bemc@...>

Subject: Re: ozone?

Not effective at the levels that it is safe for humans.

Only test it has performed at was for smoke remeidation. Its an UNSTABLE

molecule of oxygen. Oxygen is a bivalent stable molecule weith a bond

angle of 180 when you add the addition oxygen molecule it has an angle of

120 which it is not stable.

Its a respiratory irritant.

Alpine was sued in federal court for misrepsentation, Bill COnverse the

president of Alpine got SLICK and pulled a number. He divided up his

company manufacuring and sales. SO he can not be sued if his little con

artists make unsubstanial claims about the efficacy of 03.

The FTC is still prosecuting sales people who claim its safe, effective

etc.

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Each to his own on OZONE I guess. I know it drys out my lungs even from a

small machine in a doctors office. I had the same problem when I tried an

ionizer

at home. I dont know if that means anything.I think OZONE is good to blast a

house with as long as NO living things are in there and you stay away for a

certain amount of time. I forget what it is.

So all this technical info and stuff...I know how my body reacts. Like

its sucking out my lungs. Just my opinion.

Janet

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Hi , Thanks so much for this info. I have some questions. It seemed to

work for to a degree. You had visible mold (although it was hidden) I

should check my computer circuit boards-how would I do that? I don't even know

where the circuits are? Ha, kind of computer for dumbies I guess. I have a lap

top from work also & my work building was infested with mold. Could there be

something inside the lap top? I had been thinking about this because I remember

your story from before.

I don't think I have visible mold & the house has been cleaned (air) with air

cleaners although they are the small ones I bought from consumers reports

recommendation. I wanted to zap my office papers because I can't through them

out & they are full of Aspergillus (Plant).

I can see how it might not take care of visible mold but wouldn't it zap the

other? Otherwise there just doesn't seem any way to get rid of the mold. YOu try

cleaning it up & it proliferates. I'm going nuts here & I just want a clean

environment (like everyone)

I'm working from home now (really horrible mold experience in building) & my

den is making me ill. I gotta work so what do I do? I also cannot find another

job because I am too sick from the mold.

I wasn't going to buy a sharper image (they are useless) but this XT6000

www.moldkill.com looks good.

Stunting growth would be good if that's all I can do? Any advice from anyone

is appreciated? Thanks again !!!!!! Loni

Christ <antares41-41@...> wrote:

Loni,

Just wanted to make sure you got my reply to your post on

.

Don't kid yourself, the only way to decontaminate is to remove the

mold.. I have an industrial grade ozoneator (6000 mg/hr). When I

moved into my 28' travel trailer I was sicker than ever. It was

because of my computer monitor which had black mold growing on the

circuit boards. I was using this industrial grade device xt 6000

http://www.air-zone.com/xtpower.html

It was designed for 2000 sq ft houses I was using it in this tiny

trailer. I didn't stop getting sick until I got rid of the monitor.

I have no doubt if I still had the monitor in this trailer I would

still be getting sick from it. I don't care what they say about ozone

killing mold my experience is that it's hype. Maybe under specific

conditions it can kill mold but in the real world (your home) it

doesn't work. I have tried it.

It might be helpful for prevention purposes or for stunting mold

growth but like a lot of people say on this board when you attack the

mold with bleach/ ozone you just tend to piss it off causing it to

release more toxins that make you even sicker. Plus whatever chemical

remanent's remain from the ozone process in your home are not

beneficial for you.

These devices that release trace amounts of ozone are for all intents

and purposes ineffective in my opinion, and consumer reports. I can

shock treat my environment with this commercial machine that releases

thousands of times the amount of a sharper image or the like, and not

kill the mold..

If I have failed with this commercial device you aren't going to get

any benefit what so ever from a sharper image or any of those other

inonizing machines that let out trace amounts of ozone which are high

enough over time to cause scaring in your lungs but have no

effectiveness what so ever against the mold.

After researching these machines and using them I have come to the

conclusion that the ones that are intended to run in your living

environment are dangerous to your health and the ones that are used

for shock treatments might have some limited usefulness for prevention

or for stunting growth. But don't think they will be a magic bullet,

they won't.

>

>, You say that ozone was responsible for contaminating your belongings. >

>Then you say it was best way to decontaminate your belongings? How powerful

does an ozonater half to be to kill mold?

> I guess you put them in a seperate area. Loni

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Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote: , You say that ozone was

responsible for contaminating your belongings. Then you say it was best way to

decontaminate your belongings? How powerful does an ozonater half to be to kill

mold? I guess you put them in a seperate area. Loni

carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: Replying to my own question-

Calcium hydroxide is a type of lime,

used in making drugs like cocaine- makes me wonder if big brother is

taging my google searches- the monoethlamine part I can't get

figured out but if adds to the lists of articles I have read that

different cleaning techniques are necessary for different mycotoxins-

what will clean mine will not clean yours for sure

> >

> > I found another one, but this is the first I have seen that did

> not

> > show CSM to be best.

> >

> > http://abac.ch/Mycotoxin%20reference.pdf

> >

>

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>Hi , Thanks so much for this info. I have some questions. It seemed to

work for to a degree. You had >visible mold (although it was hidden) I

should check my computer circuit boards-how would I do that?

Loni,

I would not be as concerned with your computer motherboard or your

laptop as much as I would your monitor. That is the only place I

found mold to be honest. I just wanted to warn that it can travel on

other electronic equipmnet, tv's computers, clock radios, etc.

Hopefully you don't even have a problem I hate to alarm people

unnecassarly. But better to be safe than sorry. I think I had that

monitor outside and it was in a damp environment for a stint. So it

might be an exceptional situation.

Below is a link to my website with a high res picture of it. About

300k

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/rchrist9/page2.html

At first glance you might think that is just dust that can be blown

off. It's not. It's black mold that would have to be scrubed off if

I were to remove it. I just threw the thing out.

> I don't even know where the circuits are? Ha, kind of computer for dumbies I

guess. I have a lap top from work >>>also & my work building was infested with

mold. Could there be something inside the lap top? I had been >>>>>thinking

about this because I remember your story from before

..

I think the laptop is less likely. If you ever move you might want to

consider taking precautions though. As long as it's been in a faily

dry climate you should be ok I hope.

> I don't think I have visible mold & the house has been cleaned (air) with air

cleaners although they are the small >>>nes I bought from consumers reports

recommendation. I wanted to zap my office papers because I can't >>>>>through

them out & they are full of Aspergillus (Plant).

You could try preheating the oven than turning it off and putting them

in the oven or if you can get away with it turn it down to the lowest

setting and backing the papers at say 200 degrees. I have heard

people talk about the mold being able to tolorate incredible

temperatures but I would think that baking them would work better than

ozone any day.

Also you could get a shed and keep them outside. That might present

problems if you have a lot of humidity though.

> I can see how it might not take care of visible mold but wouldn't it zap the

other? Otherwise there just doesn't >>>seem any way to get rid of the mold. YOu

try cleaning it up & it proliferates. I'm going nuts here & I just want a

>>clean environment (like everyone)

I know what you mean. I think the ozone might help if all you want

to do is prevent mold but If you have a >>>>>>problem allready don't

expect it to kill any existing mold. It doesn't work. I have tried it

> > I'm working from home now (really horrible mold experience in building) & my

den is making me ill. I gotta work >>so what do I do? I also cannot find another

job because I am too sick from the mold.

It's such a difficult thing but my experience is that you have to

move if you have mold. I guess your best bet would be to access your

problem with mold test kits or the best case would be an air quality

expert.

Check the obvious places for mold. Underneath your vanity is there

any water damage there. Roof leaks? If you have a central air

conditioner it has a drip pan underneath it. Make sure that it is

draining properly. Pour some 10 to one bleach soulution in the pan to

kill any algee growing in the pipe that drains the pan. What happens

is the algee grows in the pipe clogs it and than the pan overflows.

Than you have a mold problem.

> > I wasn't going to buy a sharper image (they are useless) but this XT6000

www.moldkill.com looks good.

$800 bucks is kinda expensive. I have that exact model and like I

siad It didn't help me when I had my house. I used to think it helped

but how much it actually did I am not sure. Maybe it knoked a lot of

the airborne spores out of the air but they just stick to the walls

and floors and furniture and eventually become airborne again.

> > Stunting growth would be good if that's all I can do? Any advice from anyone

is appreciated?

I think your money would be better spent having an expert come out

to your home and access your situation for you. It's expensive but if

you don't know what the mold situation is it's necassary. I never had

anyone come out becuase they would just be telling me somthing I

allready new. I had a problem. I tried removing the mold myself and

after my house was gutted disclosed the problem and sold it for a

song.

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Please realize I am only talking about de-contaminating mycotoxin,

not killing mold- mold needs to be removed- not killed- there is a

difference- we all agree to some extent- you must remove mold- then,

if you feel the burn- from your belongings being contaminated with

mycotoxin- even if you wash them numerouse times- you can try and

decontaminated them from mycotoxin with the remedies I talked about.

> Loni,

> Just wanted to make sure you got my reply to your post on

> .

>

>

> Don't kid yourself, the only way to decontaminate is to remove the

> mold.. I have an industrial grade ozoneator (6000 mg/hr). When I

> moved into my 28' travel trailer I was sicker than ever. It was

> because of my computer monitor which had black mold growing on the

> circuit boards. I was using this industrial grade device xt 6000

> http://www.air-zone.com/xtpower.html

> It was designed for 2000 sq ft houses I was using it in this tiny

> trailer. I didn't stop getting sick until I got rid of the monitor.

> I have no doubt if I still had the monitor in this trailer I would

> still be getting sick from it. I don't care what they say about

ozone

> killing mold my experience is that it's hype. Maybe under specific

> conditions it can kill mold but in the real world (your home) it

> doesn't work. I have tried it.

> It might be helpful for prevention purposes or for stunting mold

> growth but like a lot of people say on this board when you attack

the

> mold with bleach/ ozone you just tend to piss it off causing it to

> release more toxins that make you even sicker. Plus whatever

chemical

> remanent's remain from the ozone process in your home are not

> beneficial for you.

> These devices that release trace amounts of ozone are for all

intents

> and purposes ineffective in my opinion, and consumer reports. I can

> shock treat my environment with this commercial machine that

releases

> thousands of times the amount of a sharper image or the like, and

not

> kill the mold..

> If I have failed with this commercial device you aren't going to

get

> any benefit what so ever from a sharper image or any of those other

> inonizing machines that let out trace amounts of ozone which are

high

> enough over time to cause scaring in your lungs but have no

> effectiveness what so ever against the mold.

>

> After researching these machines and using them I have come to the

> conclusion that the ones that are intended to run in your living

> environment are dangerous to your health and the ones that are used

> for shock treatments might have some limited usefulness for

prevention

> or for stunting growth. But don't think they will be a magic

bullet,

> they won't.

>

>

>

> >

> >, You say that ozone was responsible for contaminating your

belongings. >

> >Then you say it was best way to decontaminate your belongings?

How powerful does an ozonater half to be to kill mold?

> > I guess you put them in a seperate area. Loni

>

>

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If anyone goes around cleaning inside of monitors or TVs (the CRT kind)

*please be careful*. The anode leading to the picture tube (usually a big

thick wire, leading from the circuit board to the side of the tube with a

sort of cap on it) can carry a very high voltage for a long time after the

monitor is turned off and unplugged. If you vaccumn using all plastic

everything you should be okay, but make sure to unplug the monitor first,

and then let it sit for a long while, and then, when you do vaccumn - keep

at least three or four inches between your hand, or anything metal, and that

anode lead.. Or you could end up 'shocked'..

If you got a good jolt, it could seriously burn or even kill you..

On flat panel monitors, the backlights can also carry around 100 volts..

(but only when they are on) I don't think that flat panel monitors would

attract the dust (mold bait) that CRTS (TVs, etc.) do.. though..

CRTs, TVs etc. are inherently statically charged..thats why they attract

dust..

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What does ozonator do to the mycotoxin? Loni

carondeen <kdeanstudios@...> wrote: Please realize I am only talking

about de-contaminating mycotoxin,

not killing mold- mold needs to be removed- not killed- there is a

difference- we all agree to some extent- you must remove mold- then,

if you feel the burn- from your belongings being contaminated with

mycotoxin- even if you wash them numerouse times- you can try and

decontaminated them from mycotoxin with the remedies I talked about.

> Loni,

> Just wanted to make sure you got my reply to your post on

> .

>

>

> Don't kid yourself, the only way to decontaminate is to remove the

> mold.. I have an industrial grade ozoneator (6000 mg/hr). When I

> moved into my 28' travel trailer I was sicker than ever. It was

> because of my computer monitor which had black mold growing on the

> circuit boards. I was using this industrial grade device xt 6000

> http://www.air-zone.com/xtpower.html

> It was designed for 2000 sq ft houses I was using it in this tiny

> trailer. I didn't stop getting sick until I got rid of the monitor.

> I have no doubt if I still had the monitor in this trailer I would

> still be getting sick from it. I don't care what they say about

ozone

> killing mold my experience is that it's hype. Maybe under specific

> conditions it can kill mold but in the real world (your home) it

> doesn't work. I have tried it.

> It might be helpful for prevention purposes or for stunting mold

> growth but like a lot of people say on this board when you attack

the

> mold with bleach/ ozone you just tend to piss it off causing it to

> release more toxins that make you even sicker. Plus whatever

chemical

> remanent's remain from the ozone process in your home are not

> beneficial for you.

> These devices that release trace amounts of ozone are for all

intents

> and purposes ineffective in my opinion, and consumer reports. I can

> shock treat my environment with this commercial machine that

releases

> thousands of times the amount of a sharper image or the like, and

not

> kill the mold..

> If I have failed with this commercial device you aren't going to

get

> any benefit what so ever from a sharper image or any of those other

> inonizing machines that let out trace amounts of ozone which are

high

> enough over time to cause scaring in your lungs but have no

> effectiveness what so ever against the mold.

>

> After researching these machines and using them I have come to the

> conclusion that the ones that are intended to run in your living

> environment are dangerous to your health and the ones that are used

> for shock treatments might have some limited usefulness for

prevention

> or for stunting growth. But don't think they will be a magic

bullet,

> they won't.

>

>

>

> >

> >, You say that ozone was responsible for contaminating your

belongings. >

> >Then you say it was best way to decontaminate your belongings?

How powerful does an ozonater half to be to kill mold?

> > I guess you put them in a seperate area. Loni

>

>

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For those people who are sensitixed to mycotoxins, who can't be

around their belongings no matter how often they are washed, or wear

their clothes without burning their skin, it has been posted before

that the chemical, mycotoxin will oxidize in about 4-5 years, if

storred in opem boxes so the air can get to them. I have found that

after 6 months- absolutly a year- I was able to have my things back

from a room that had an ozonator going full blast -except for items

packed tightly in a plastic box- paintings and furniture stored

other places is still terrible toxic to me. my theory is that the

ozonator does what it is supposed to do- oxisize - and with the aide

of a strong oxidizer- you can have your stuff back app. 4 years

earlier.

> > Loni,

> > Just wanted to make sure you got my reply to your post on

> > .

> >

> >

> > Don't kid yourself, the only way to decontaminate is to remove

the

> > mold.. I have an industrial grade ozoneator (6000 mg/hr). When I

> > moved into my 28' travel trailer I was sicker than ever. It was

> > because of my computer monitor which had black mold growing on

the

> > circuit boards. I was using this industrial grade device xt 6000

> > http://www.air-zone.com/xtpower.html

> > It was designed for 2000 sq ft houses I was using it in this tiny

> > trailer. I didn't stop getting sick until I got rid of the

monitor.

> > I have no doubt if I still had the monitor in this trailer I

would

> > still be getting sick from it. I don't care what they say about

> ozone

> > killing mold my experience is that it's hype. Maybe under

specific

> > conditions it can kill mold but in the real world (your home) it

> > doesn't work. I have tried it.

> > It might be helpful for prevention purposes or for stunting mold

> > growth but like a lot of people say on this board when you

attack

> the

> > mold with bleach/ ozone you just tend to piss it off causing it

to

> > release more toxins that make you even sicker. Plus whatever

> chemical

> > remanent's remain from the ozone process in your home are not

> > beneficial for you.

> > These devices that release trace amounts of ozone are for all

> intents

> > and purposes ineffective in my opinion, and consumer reports. I

can

> > shock treat my environment with this commercial machine that

> releases

> > thousands of times the amount of a sharper image or the like,

and

> not

> > kill the mold..

> > If I have failed with this commercial device you aren't going to

> get

> > any benefit what so ever from a sharper image or any of those

other

> > inonizing machines that let out trace amounts of ozone which are

> high

> > enough over time to cause scaring in your lungs but have no

> > effectiveness what so ever against the mold.

> >

> > After researching these machines and using them I have come to

the

> > conclusion that the ones that are intended to run in your living

> > environment are dangerous to your health and the ones that are

used

> > for shock treatments might have some limited usefulness for

> prevention

> > or for stunting growth. But don't think they will be a magic

> bullet,

> > they won't.

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > >, You say that ozone was responsible for contaminating

your

> belongings. >

> > >Then you say it was best way to decontaminate your belongings?

> How powerful does an ozonater half to be to kill mold?

> > > I guess you put them in a seperate area. Loni

> >

> >

> >

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