Re: motor homes for MCS people?

[Guest guest]

Hello to everyone,

It's been a while since I've been able to write. As most of you probably

know, my family recently went through a chemical exposure (or " poisoning " ,

whatever you choose to call it) in a rented home. It has been much more

severe on our health than even our multiple mold exposures in the past

several years. We again had to abandon our home. (It's a long story that

most of you probably have heard about here through a good friend that

developed a website for us.) We have been out of a home since March,

sleeping in our car at times; and otherwise in hotels/motels that continue

to make us ill, and strain us financially. This large dose of chemicals has

made us much more chemical intolerant of all chemicals, indoors and out. We

seem to be having trouble with something outdoors in our local area to very

severe degrees.

We are now considering an out of state move. Since we are not certain what

state will work best for us, we are checking into buying a motor home and

thereafter finding what area will work best for us before making permanent

residence. We have realized that this way will be less expensive than

living indefinitely in motels/hotels and will allow us to see what places

will work for us.

Can anyone on the group tell me if there are any particular brands that are

better than others for people with extreme chemical intolerance? I know

that there is a man that makes Airstream motorhomes to accommodate people

with MCS, but I don't know of anyone or any companies that tailors other

motorhomes for people like us. We'll need a good size one to have enough

room for 2 kids. Any information that can be provided is appreciated and

needed as soon as possible. Thanks to everyone, and my best to all on the

group, old members and new.

Beverly Weikert

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[Guest guest]

Hello to everyone,

It's been a while since I've been able to write. As most of you probably

know, my family recently went through a chemical exposure (or " poisoning " ,

whatever you choose to call it) in a rented home. It has been much more

severe on our health than even our multiple mold exposures in the past

several years. We again had to abandon our home. (It's a long story that

most of you probably have heard about here through a good friend that

developed a website for us.) We have been out of a home since March,

sleeping in our car at times; and otherwise in hotels/motels that continue

to make us ill, and strain us financially. This large dose of chemicals has

made us much more chemical intolerant of all chemicals, indoors and out. We

seem to be having trouble with something outdoors in our local area to very

severe degrees.

We are now considering an out of state move. Since we are not certain what

state will work best for us, we are checking into buying a motor home and

thereafter finding what area will work best for us before making permanent

residence. We have realized that this way will be less expensive than

living indefinitely in motels/hotels and will allow us to see what places

will work for us.

Can anyone on the group tell me if there are any particular brands that are

better than others for people with extreme chemical intolerance? I know

that there is a man that makes Airstream motorhomes to accommodate people

with MCS, but I don't know of anyone or any companies that tailors other

motorhomes for people like us. We'll need a good size one to have enough

room for 2 kids. Any information that can be provided is appreciated and

needed as soon as possible. Thanks to everyone, and my best to all on the

group, old members and new.

Beverly Weikert

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Beverly, you remember talking to Debbie a couple of years ago after

we moved out a mold region and were recovering in the desert doing

the RV lifestyle.

It worked great until winter and the trailer went bad.

We were forced to run for our lives yet again.

I visited many people in other trailers and found the for long term

RVers, their mold problems were worse than house dwellers.

The roof cap is usually made of plywood and the condensation is

pretty much impossible to eliminate. I wanted to find out if any

make of RV was particularly immune so I toured RV wrecking yards.

Looking inside the damaged walls told the story.

" New " looking RV's that were damaged had hidden mold.

The best way to get a sense of what you are facing with an RV is to

just tour a RV yard and see exactly what types of areas and materials

show the greatest mold growth.

I'm still in favor of RVing for MCSers but I think that the plywood

roof cap in most RVs is a hidden and unsuspected danger.

-

[Guest guest]

Beverly, you remember talking to Debbie a couple of years ago after

we moved out a mold region and were recovering in the desert doing

the RV lifestyle.

It worked great until winter and the trailer went bad.

We were forced to run for our lives yet again.

I visited many people in other trailers and found the for long term

RVers, their mold problems were worse than house dwellers.

The roof cap is usually made of plywood and the condensation is

pretty much impossible to eliminate. I wanted to find out if any

make of RV was particularly immune so I toured RV wrecking yards.

Looking inside the damaged walls told the story.

" New " looking RV's that were damaged had hidden mold.

The best way to get a sense of what you are facing with an RV is to

just tour a RV yard and see exactly what types of areas and materials

show the greatest mold growth.

I'm still in favor of RVing for MCSers but I think that the plywood

roof cap in most RVs is a hidden and unsuspected danger.

-

[Guest guest]

Bryce & Group --

My situation is being a little unmanageable right now -- tenting is nice

currently, but I want to get an RV situation byn fall.

It would seem to me that the biggest source of moisture in an RV would be a

shower. You guys have any opinions as to a unit with a shower, vs. the

potential exposure dangers and hassle of showering in public facilities? Thanks

for the Holiday Rambler endorsement.

Thanks

> Hi and all,

>

> Lots of RV's were neglected by owners...thats why so many are ready for

> the junk.

> But some were cared for and are safe...and can remain safe when

> precautions are

> observed. I/e venting!!!

> Air needs to be moving to keep the humidity down inside....we lived in

> RV's for

> 8 years altogether...cold and hot areas. And humidity must be vented out

> or it

> will ruin the RV. Look at www.kool-o-matic.com to see the inovations in

> vents

> and weather covers that allow storage with venting.

> Full time RV'ing is no more difficult than living in a tight house would

> be.

> RV's like Holiday Ramber's are better made...walls and roof units are

> preassembled and seals prevent seeping moisture from entering joints. The

> materials are very carefully selected. I toured that factory in Indiana.

> Was suitably

> impressed. However I do agree that no one makes a perfect RV or a perfect

> home.

> RV's usually outgass within a year or two especially in hot dry climates.

> I have heard

> that placing 4 or 5 bowls of ammonia around in the RV and closing it up

> on a hot day

> or running the furnace at 80 degrees will eliminate the out gasses. I

> have not tried this!

> (24 hours )

> There is no cure for mold damage...except complete removal and even then

> spores may

> be present.

> In some RV factories storage of materials may cause pre-construction

> exposures that lead to mold.. Not at Holiday Rambler.

> So it is a combination of buyer beware....bad construction/bad

> materials/lack of care.

> Just so you know that good RV's exist!!!

> My own thought is that people create more problems than the manufacturer.

> Use of toxic

> products soon adds up to problems that are hard to live with. Lack of

> care comes next.

> The secret is breathe in ...breathe out....the RV must breathe!

> There is nothing wrong with using a dehumidifier when needed or using the

> A/C. both will

> reduce the humidity to a tolerable point.

>

> Bryce

>

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[Guest guest]

Bryce & Group --

My situation is being a little unmanageable right now -- tenting is nice

currently, but I want to get an RV situation byn fall.

It would seem to me that the biggest source of moisture in an RV would be a

shower. You guys have any opinions as to a unit with a shower, vs. the

potential exposure dangers and hassle of showering in public facilities? Thanks

for the Holiday Rambler endorsement.

Thanks

> Hi and all,

>

> Lots of RV's were neglected by owners...thats why so many are ready for

> the junk.

> But some were cared for and are safe...and can remain safe when

> precautions are

> observed. I/e venting!!!

> Air needs to be moving to keep the humidity down inside....we lived in

> RV's for

> 8 years altogether...cold and hot areas. And humidity must be vented out

> or it

> will ruin the RV. Look at www.kool-o-matic.com to see the inovations in

> vents

> and weather covers that allow storage with venting.

> Full time RV'ing is no more difficult than living in a tight house would

> be.

> RV's like Holiday Ramber's are better made...walls and roof units are

> preassembled and seals prevent seeping moisture from entering joints. The

> materials are very carefully selected. I toured that factory in Indiana.

> Was suitably

> impressed. However I do agree that no one makes a perfect RV or a perfect

> home.

> RV's usually outgass within a year or two especially in hot dry climates.

> I have heard

> that placing 4 or 5 bowls of ammonia around in the RV and closing it up

> on a hot day

> or running the furnace at 80 degrees will eliminate the out gasses. I

> have not tried this!

> (24 hours )

> There is no cure for mold damage...except complete removal and even then

> spores may

> be present.

> In some RV factories storage of materials may cause pre-construction

> exposures that lead to mold.. Not at Holiday Rambler.

> So it is a combination of buyer beware....bad construction/bad

> materials/lack of care.

> Just so you know that good RV's exist!!!

> My own thought is that people create more problems than the manufacturer.

> Use of toxic

> products soon adds up to problems that are hard to live with. Lack of

> care comes next.

> The secret is breathe in ...breathe out....the RV must breathe!

> There is nothing wrong with using a dehumidifier when needed or using the

> A/C. both will

> reduce the humidity to a tolerable point.

>

> Bryce

>

> ________________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Bryce --

Your comment on human breath sounds about right -- the condensation in a tent is

telling.

I'm thinking I'd like to get a campground host gig for the winter, and get a

space with facilities provided. However, campfire smoke seems to affect

me, but only cognitively. I stay strong and energized outside, despite the

smoke.

Regards

-- In , Bryce H Ruddock <brycervics@j...> wrote:

> Hi Jonathon.

> Actually the shower contributes little to the overall moisture since it

> has a strong

> vent system. However it should be wiped down after use. wipe clothes etc

> should

> be removed from the RV to dry or for disposal.

> The greatest source of humidity is believe it or not the human breath !

> And sweat.

> That is why an improved vent system is needed. (especially for long term

> living). Adding a dehumidifier is essential in humid areas.

> Most public facilities are a risk....I have never really seen a " mold "

> infested

> shower at any of the parks I have visited.

> Public showers tend to be a source of numerous other problems. Even when

> kept quite clean. Mostly frustration at how messy they get !!!

> I have utilized such for several summers at places we stayed long term.

> Having

> a larger shower and one that does not use up your propane or run out of

> hot

> water is most pleasurable. But you must dress for the trips ! Skeeters do

> bite !

> Most RV showers are too small ...have a small faucet so it uses less

> water.

> Most are one piece fibre glass so are easy to wipe down after use.

> Some RV's have an outdoor shower ...for cleanup...and after swiming.

>

> Start looking !

>

> Bryce

>

>

>

> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:39:35 -0000 " moldincolo " <jonathan1@a...>

> writes:

> Bryce & Group --

>

> My situation is being a little unmanageable right now -- tenting is nice

> currently, but I want to get an RV situation byn fall.

>

> It would seem to me that the biggest source of moisture in an RV would be

> a shower. You guys have any opinions as to a unit with a shower, vs. the

>

> potential exposure dangers and hassle of showering in public facilities?

> Thanks for the Holiday Rambler endorsement.

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

> > Hi and all,

> >

> > Lots of RV's were neglected by owners...thats why so many are ready for

> > the junk.

> > But some were cared for and are safe...and can remain safe when

> > precautions are

> > observed. I/e venting!!!

> > Air needs to be moving to keep the humidity down inside....we lived in

> > RV's for

> > 8 years altogether...cold and hot areas. And humidity must be vented

> out

> > or it

> > will ruin the RV. Look at www.kool-o-matic.com to see the inovations

> in

> > vents

> > and weather covers that allow storage with venting.

> > Full time RV'ing is no more difficult than living in a tight house

> would

> > be.

> > RV's like Holiday Ramber's are better made...walls and roof units are

> > preassembled and seals prevent seeping moisture from entering joints.

> The

> > materials are very carefully selected. I toured that factory in

> Indiana.

> > Was suitably

> > impressed. However I do agree that no one makes a perfect RV or a

> perfect

> > home.

> > RV's usually outgass within a year or two especially in hot dry

> climates.

> > I have heard

> > that placing 4 or 5 bowls of ammonia around in the RV and closing it up

> > on a hot day

> > or running the furnace at 80 degrees will eliminate the out gasses. I

> > have not tried this!

> > (24 hours )

> > There is no cure for mold damage...except complete removal and even

> then

> > spores may

> > be present.

> > In some RV factories storage of materials may cause pre-construction

> > exposures that lead to mold.. Not at Holiday Rambler.

> > So it is a combination of buyer beware....bad construction/bad

> > materials/lack of care.

> > Just so you know that good RV's exist!!!

> > My own thought is that people create more problems than the

> manufacturer.

> > Use of toxic

> > products soon adds up to problems that are hard to live with. Lack of

> > care comes next.

> > The secret is breathe in ...breathe out....the RV must breathe!

> > There is nothing wrong with using a dehumidifier when needed or using

> the

> > A/C. both will

> > reduce the humidity to a tolerable point.

> >

> > Bryce

> >

> > ________________________________________________________________

> > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!

> > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!

> > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Bryce --

Your comment on human breath sounds about right -- the condensation in a tent is

telling.

I'm thinking I'd like to get a campground host gig for the winter, and get a

space with facilities provided. However, campfire smoke seems to affect

me, but only cognitively. I stay strong and energized outside, despite the

smoke.

Regards

-- In , Bryce H Ruddock <brycervics@j...> wrote:

> Hi Jonathon.

> Actually the shower contributes little to the overall moisture since it

> has a strong

> vent system. However it should be wiped down after use. wipe clothes etc

> should

> be removed from the RV to dry or for disposal.

> The greatest source of humidity is believe it or not the human breath !

> And sweat.

> That is why an improved vent system is needed. (especially for long term

> living). Adding a dehumidifier is essential in humid areas.

> Most public facilities are a risk....I have never really seen a " mold "

> infested

> shower at any of the parks I have visited.

> Public showers tend to be a source of numerous other problems. Even when

> kept quite clean. Mostly frustration at how messy they get !!!

> I have utilized such for several summers at places we stayed long term.

> Having

> a larger shower and one that does not use up your propane or run out of

> hot

> water is most pleasurable. But you must dress for the trips ! Skeeters do

> bite !

> Most RV showers are too small ...have a small faucet so it uses less

> water.

> Most are one piece fibre glass so are easy to wipe down after use.

> Some RV's have an outdoor shower ...for cleanup...and after swiming.

>

> Start looking !

>

> Bryce

>

>

>

> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:39:35 -0000 " moldincolo " <jonathan1@a...>

> writes:

> Bryce & Group --

>

> My situation is being a little unmanageable right now -- tenting is nice

> currently, but I want to get an RV situation byn fall.

>

> It would seem to me that the biggest source of moisture in an RV would be

> a shower. You guys have any opinions as to a unit with a shower, vs. the

>

> potential exposure dangers and hassle of showering in public facilities?

> Thanks for the Holiday Rambler endorsement.

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

> > Hi and all,

> >

> > Lots of RV's were neglected by owners...thats why so many are ready for

> > the junk.

> > But some were cared for and are safe...and can remain safe when

> > precautions are

> > observed. I/e venting!!!

> > Air needs to be moving to keep the humidity down inside....we lived in

> > RV's for

> > 8 years altogether...cold and hot areas. And humidity must be vented

> out

> > or it

> > will ruin the RV. Look at www.kool-o-matic.com to see the inovations

> in

> > vents

> > and weather covers that allow storage with venting.

> > Full time RV'ing is no more difficult than living in a tight house

> would

> > be.

> > RV's like Holiday Ramber's are better made...walls and roof units are

> > preassembled and seals prevent seeping moisture from entering joints.

> The

> > materials are very carefully selected. I toured that factory in

> Indiana.

> > Was suitably

> > impressed. However I do agree that no one makes a perfect RV or a

> perfect

> > home.

> > RV's usually outgass within a year or two especially in hot dry

> climates.

> > I have heard

> > that placing 4 or 5 bowls of ammonia around in the RV and closing it up

> > on a hot day

> > or running the furnace at 80 degrees will eliminate the out gasses. I

> > have not tried this!

> > (24 hours )

> > There is no cure for mold damage...except complete removal and even

> then

> > spores may

> > be present.

> > In some RV factories storage of materials may cause pre-construction

> > exposures that lead to mold.. Not at Holiday Rambler.

> > So it is a combination of buyer beware....bad construction/bad

> > materials/lack of care.

> > Just so you know that good RV's exist!!!

> > My own thought is that people create more problems than the

> manufacturer.

> > Use of toxic

> > products soon adds up to problems that are hard to live with. Lack of

> > care comes next.

> > The secret is breathe in ...breathe out....the RV must breathe!

> > There is nothing wrong with using a dehumidifier when needed or using

> the

> > A/C. both will

> > reduce the humidity to a tolerable point.

> >

> > Bryce

> >

> > ________________________________________________________________

> > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!

> > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!

> > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

>

>

>

>

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> and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use'

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