Guest guest Posted September 6, 2003 Report Share Posted September 6, 2003 >>> Is natural, no additive peanut butter usually a problem food for our kids? I'm leery about trying it as a challenge. Is natural, no additive peanut butter usually a problem food for our kids? I'm leery about trying it as a challenge. <<< Well, our kids do tend to have food allergies and peanut butter is one of the scary ones. My son has never had it and god thing too since we found last Fall (via skin and blood testing) that he is allergic to it. His score was low but we are still completely nut free for at least another six month-year b4 we test again. The allergist said they are finding that some kids who were allergic and then outgrew it are becoming sensitive again as they get older. yikes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 KUDOS to the IAQA for their attempt to rectify the media hype. Here's a letter that I wrote to Noreen at U Mich about the IOM report, asking for clarification. Waiting on her to return from out of town for a response! >> Hello Ms. , I have been doing some research on your work over the last couple of weeks and must commend you on your own research, published works and studies as well as the work you have been doing for Asthmatics and Health Care in General. I'm sure that you must feel a great sense of satisfaction for the amount of help you have provided others. My questions to you come on a personal as well as professional basis, as I am experiencing the horrors involved with Toxic Mold Exposure, yet own the largest Toxic Mold Education and Solutions site on the Internet! Although, at the age of 42, I had never experienced any respiratory problems of any kind, during the month of May, I found myself in the Emergency room 3 times, twice by ambulance, spent 5 days in the hospital and nearly died twice. I am still experiencing problems breathing and expect to live with this for some time. The culprit it turns out, was a Stachybotrys growth behind a shower enclosure that abutted 3 rooms in my home. I would like to know, should you take the time out of your day to answer my questions, if during your tenure with the Committee on Review of Damp Indoor Spaces with the Institute of Medicine, from which you were quoted about your recent published study ... " Even though the available evidence does not link mold or other factors associated with building moisture to all the serious health problems that some attribute to them, excessive indoor dampness is a widespread problem that warrants action at the local, state and national levels " as well as " An exhaustive review of the scientific literature made it clear to us that it can be very hard to tease apart the health effects of exposure to mold from all the other factors that may be influencing health in the typical indoor environment, " and " That said, we were able to find sufficient evidence that certain respiratory problems, including symptoms in asthmatics who are sensitive to mold, are associated with exposure to mold and damp conditions " (Q).... are we to come to the conclusion that you believe, in your educated opinion, based on available scientific literature, that you have to be an asthmatic, sensitive to mold or have existing respiratory problems to be affected my mold? (Q) What levels (low, normal, medium, high, astronomical) and types of Mold is your study referring to? All molds and the mycotoxins they release, toxic and non-toxic, rolled into one term " Mold " ? (Q) Can Mold. in your educated opinion, based on available scientific literature, cause Asthma or Asthmatic symptoms in perfectly healthy individuals with absolutely NO respiratory problems? Thank you in advance for your response. I want to be able to provide quality and educated responses to the 100's of thousands of visitors to our site. Your input is appreciated. Regards, Jimmy Mc - President << ----- Original Message ----- From: < > < > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 5:43 AM Subject: [] Digest Number 2007 > > There are 7 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. IAQA Seeks to Correct Misreporting on Implications of IOM Mold Report > From: " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2C@...> > 2. Re: motor homes for MCS people? > From: " moldincolo " <jonathan1@...> > 3. Denver Post coverage 6/17/04 > From: " moldincolo " <jonathan1@...> > 4. Re: IAQA Seeks to Correct Misreporting on Implications of IOM Mold Report > From: " moldincolo " <jonathan1@...> > 5. Letter to Pentagon > From: Gingersnap1964@... > 6. (no subject) > From: Gingersnap1964@... > 7. Fw: Full Time RVer Issue 10 > From: Bryce H Ruddock <brycervics@...> > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:13:10 -0000 > From: " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2C@...> > Subject: IAQA Seeks to Correct Misreporting on Implications of IOM Mold Report > > IAQA Seeks to Correct Misreporting on Implications of IOM Mold Report > Media Misinformed Public on Health Effects of Mold in Government- > Sponsored Report > NOTE TO EDITORS: The following represents the opinion of IAGA > > ROCKVILLE, MD -- (MARKET WIRE) -- 06/17/2004 -- A recent report by > the Institute of Medicine, which finds an association between > conditions caused by indoor dampness and a laundry list of health > effects, has largely been misunderstood and misrepresented among > members of the general media. > > The Institute of Medicine has found sufficient evidence of an > association between the presence of mold or other agents in damp > indoor environments and the following health outcomes: upper > respiratory tract symptoms, cough, wheeze, asthma symptoms in > sensitized persons. It found limited or suggestive evidence of an > association between the presence of agents in damp indoor > environments and lower respiratory illness in otherwise healthy > children. > > It is the position of the Indoor Air Quality Association (IAQA) that > these findings should not be minimized. IAQA also believes that these > findings should not be blown out of proportion. It is unfortunate > that the public has already been exposed to both from the general > media following the report's May 25 release. > > -- Scripps News Service issued an article bearing the > headline, " Study: No evidence household mold causes major > illness. " > -- The Wall Street Journal printed an article bearing the > headline, " Indoor Mold Linked to Problems Such as Asthma and > Coughing. " > > IAQA believes that confusion over this sensitive topic could either > prolong mass hysteria or lead to an unduly apathetic attitude. Either > approach is counterproductive to the common good. > On one hand, homeowners and building managers reading one article may > think they have nothing to worry about if mold is in their buildings > and it is, as one journalist notes, " about as dangerous as spoiled > ketchup. " On the other hand, the people reading another article may > be led to believe they should evacuate their homes and business > immediately or else so-called " toxic mold " will kill them. > > Not only do the Institute of Medicine authors clearly state that > there are no such things as toxic molds, but they rightfully suggest > a middle-of-the-road viewpoint. While they have found no current > science to establish a clear, causal link between mold and adverse > health effects, they did not rule out that such a link exists. This > is a crucial point that has overwhelmingly been lost in translation > by the media. > > In the eyes of scientists, there is a clear-cut distinction between > what they call an " association " and what they call a " link, " simply > put, an association describes the relationship between two conditions > that merely coexist, while a link describes the cause-and-effect > relationship between one condition and another. This important > distinction is often glossed over by the media, or the terms are > incorrectly used interchangeably. > > Authors of the Institute of Medicine report have stated repeatedly > that there is " a dearth of research " proving whether a causal link > exists between indoor dampness and any health effects. Because of > this, they have requested further study and presented guidelines for > those studies. > > They also list no less than 15 other health symptoms that have been > attributed to mold and other agents and that scientific research has > not yet established sufficient evidence to determine whether an > association exists between them and the presence of mold or other > agents in damp environments. These include cancer, fatigue, > reproductive effects, skin symptoms, lower respiratory illness in > otherwise healthy adults, and airflow obstruction in otherwise > healthy people. > > Furthermore, the authors have listed numerous concerns for damp > buildings. Indoor dampness in general is " not your friend, " as stated > by one member of the panel introducing the report at a May 25 press > conference in Washington, D.C. Thus, the report urges the building > community to develop steps to prevent indoor dampness before it > should ever become a problem. > > Authors recommend action on the federal, state and local levels, and > the report specifically recommends that a federal agency develop and > disseminate consensus guidelines on building design, construction, > operation and maintenance, with the goal of preventing indoor > dampness. IAQA staff is working closely with the U.S. Department of > Housing and Urban Development to determine whether the association > could assist with such a project. > > The Institute of Medicine is a private, nonprofit institution that > provides health policy advice under a congressional charter granted > to the National Academy of Sciences. The full report, which was > requested by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, can be > read online at http://books.nap.edu/catalog/11011.html. > > The Indoor Air Quality Association (IAQA) is a nonprofit, > multidisciplinary organization, dedicated to promoting the exchange > of indoor environmental information, through education and research, > for the safety and well being of the general public. For more > information on IAQA, visit www.iaqa.org or call (301) 231-8388. > > Indoor Air Quality Association > 12339 Carroll Avenue > Rockville, MD 20852 > (301) 231-8388 > Fax (301) 231-8321 > iaqa@... > www.iaqa.org > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > Media Contact: > Glenn Fellman > Executive Director > Phone: (301) 231-8388, ext. 11 > E-mail: IAQglenn@... > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:39:52 -0000 > From: " moldincolo " <jonathan1@...> > Subject: Re: motor homes for MCS people? > > Thanks Bryce -- > > Your comment on human breath sounds about right -- the condensation in a tent is telling. > > I'm thinking I'd like to get a campground host gig for the winter, and get a space with facilities provided. However, campfire smoke seems to affect > me, but only cognitively. I stay strong and energized outside, despite the smoke. > > Regards > > > > -- In , Bryce H Ruddock <brycervics@j...> wrote: > > Hi Jonathon. > > Actually the shower contributes little to the overall moisture since it > > has a strong > > vent system. However it should be wiped down after use. wipe clothes etc > > should > > be removed from the RV to dry or for disposal. > > The greatest source of humidity is believe it or not the human breath ! > > And sweat. > > That is why an improved vent system is needed. (especially for long term > > living). Adding a dehumidifier is essential in humid areas. > > Most public facilities are a risk....I have never really seen a " mold " > > infested > > shower at any of the parks I have visited. > > Public showers tend to be a source of numerous other problems. Even when > > kept quite clean. Mostly frustration at how messy they get !!! > > I have utilized such for several summers at places we stayed long term. > > Having > > a larger shower and one that does not use up your propane or run out of > > hot > > water is most pleasurable. But you must dress for the trips ! Skeeters do > > bite ! > > Most RV showers are too small ...have a small faucet so it uses less > > water. > > Most are one piece fibre glass so are easy to wipe down after use. > > Some RV's have an outdoor shower ...for cleanup...and after swiming. > > > > Start looking ! > > > > Bryce > > > > > > > > On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:39:35 -0000 " moldincolo " <jonathan1@a...> > > writes: > > Bryce & Group -- > > > > My situation is being a little unmanageable right now -- tenting is nice > > currently, but I want to get an RV situation byn fall. > > > > It would seem to me that the biggest source of moisture in an RV would be > > a shower. You guys have any opinions as to a unit with a shower, vs. the > > > > potential exposure dangers and hassle of showering in public facilities? > > Thanks for the Holiday Rambler endorsement. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > Hi and all, > > > > > > Lots of RV's were neglected by owners...thats why so many are ready for > > > the junk. > > > But some were cared for and are safe...and can remain safe when > > > precautions are > > > observed. I/e venting!!! > > > Air needs to be moving to keep the humidity down inside....we lived in > > > RV's for > > > 8 years altogether...cold and hot areas. And humidity must be vented > > out > > > or it > > > will ruin the RV. Look at www.kool-o-matic.com to see the inovations > > in > > > vents > > > and weather covers that allow storage with venting. > > > Full time RV'ing is no more difficult than living in a tight house > > would > > > be. > > > RV's like Holiday Ramber's are better made...walls and roof units are > > > preassembled and seals prevent seeping moisture from entering joints. > > The > > > materials are very carefully selected. I toured that factory in > > Indiana. > > > Was suitably > > > impressed. However I do agree that no one makes a perfect RV or a > > perfect > > > home. > > > RV's usually outgass within a year or two especially in hot dry > > climates. > > > I have heard > > > that placing 4 or 5 bowls of ammonia around in the RV and closing it up > > > on a hot day > > > or running the furnace at 80 degrees will eliminate the out gasses. I > > > have not tried this! > > > (24 hours ) > > > There is no cure for mold damage...except complete removal and even > > then > > > spores may > > > be present. > > > In some RV factories storage of materials may cause pre-construction > > > exposures that lead to mold.. Not at Holiday Rambler. > > > So it is a combination of buyer beware....bad construction/bad > > > materials/lack of care. > > > Just so you know that good RV's exist!!! > > > My own thought is that people create more problems than the > > manufacturer. > > > Use of toxic > > > products soon adds up to problems that are hard to live with. Lack of > > > care comes next. > > > The secret is breathe in ...breathe out....the RV must breathe! > > > There is nothing wrong with using a dehumidifier when needed or using > > the > > > A/C. both will > > > reduce the humidity to a tolerable point. > > > > > > Bryce > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > > > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > > > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always > > been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such > > material available in our efforts to advance understanding of > > environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, > > and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' > > of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US > > Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the > > material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have > > expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for > > research and educational purposes. For more information go to: > > http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use > > copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go > > beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 KUDOS to the IAQA for their attempt to rectify the media hype. Here's a letter that I wrote to Noreen at U Mich about the IOM report, asking for clarification. Waiting on her to return from out of town for a response! >> Hello Ms. , I have been doing some research on your work over the last couple of weeks and must commend you on your own research, published works and studies as well as the work you have been doing for Asthmatics and Health Care in General. I'm sure that you must feel a great sense of satisfaction for the amount of help you have provided others. My questions to you come on a personal as well as professional basis, as I am experiencing the horrors involved with Toxic Mold Exposure, yet own the largest Toxic Mold Education and Solutions site on the Internet! Although, at the age of 42, I had never experienced any respiratory problems of any kind, during the month of May, I found myself in the Emergency room 3 times, twice by ambulance, spent 5 days in the hospital and nearly died twice. I am still experiencing problems breathing and expect to live with this for some time. The culprit it turns out, was a Stachybotrys growth behind a shower enclosure that abutted 3 rooms in my home. I would like to know, should you take the time out of your day to answer my questions, if during your tenure with the Committee on Review of Damp Indoor Spaces with the Institute of Medicine, from which you were quoted about your recent published study ... " Even though the available evidence does not link mold or other factors associated with building moisture to all the serious health problems that some attribute to them, excessive indoor dampness is a widespread problem that warrants action at the local, state and national levels " as well as " An exhaustive review of the scientific literature made it clear to us that it can be very hard to tease apart the health effects of exposure to mold from all the other factors that may be influencing health in the typical indoor environment, " and " That said, we were able to find sufficient evidence that certain respiratory problems, including symptoms in asthmatics who are sensitive to mold, are associated with exposure to mold and damp conditions " (Q).... are we to come to the conclusion that you believe, in your educated opinion, based on available scientific literature, that you have to be an asthmatic, sensitive to mold or have existing respiratory problems to be affected my mold? (Q) What levels (low, normal, medium, high, astronomical) and types of Mold is your study referring to? All molds and the mycotoxins they release, toxic and non-toxic, rolled into one term " Mold " ? (Q) Can Mold. in your educated opinion, based on available scientific literature, cause Asthma or Asthmatic symptoms in perfectly healthy individuals with absolutely NO respiratory problems? Thank you in advance for your response. I want to be able to provide quality and educated responses to the 100's of thousands of visitors to our site. Your input is appreciated. Regards, Jimmy Mc - President << ----- Original Message ----- From: < > < > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 5:43 AM Subject: [] Digest Number 2007 > > There are 7 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. IAQA Seeks to Correct Misreporting on Implications of IOM Mold Report > From: " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2C@...> > 2. Re: motor homes for MCS people? > From: " moldincolo " <jonathan1@...> > 3. Denver Post coverage 6/17/04 > From: " moldincolo " <jonathan1@...> > 4. Re: IAQA Seeks to Correct Misreporting on Implications of IOM Mold Report > From: " moldincolo " <jonathan1@...> > 5. Letter to Pentagon > From: Gingersnap1964@... > 6. (no subject) > From: Gingersnap1964@... > 7. Fw: Full Time RVer Issue 10 > From: Bryce H Ruddock <brycervics@...> > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:13:10 -0000 > From: " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2C@...> > Subject: IAQA Seeks to Correct Misreporting on Implications of IOM Mold Report > > IAQA Seeks to Correct Misreporting on Implications of IOM Mold Report > Media Misinformed Public on Health Effects of Mold in Government- > Sponsored Report > NOTE TO EDITORS: The following represents the opinion of IAGA > > ROCKVILLE, MD -- (MARKET WIRE) -- 06/17/2004 -- A recent report by > the Institute of Medicine, which finds an association between > conditions caused by indoor dampness and a laundry list of health > effects, has largely been misunderstood and misrepresented among > members of the general media. > > The Institute of Medicine has found sufficient evidence of an > association between the presence of mold or other agents in damp > indoor environments and the following health outcomes: upper > respiratory tract symptoms, cough, wheeze, asthma symptoms in > sensitized persons. It found limited or suggestive evidence of an > association between the presence of agents in damp indoor > environments and lower respiratory illness in otherwise healthy > children. > > It is the position of the Indoor Air Quality Association (IAQA) that > these findings should not be minimized. IAQA also believes that these > findings should not be blown out of proportion. It is unfortunate > that the public has already been exposed to both from the general > media following the report's May 25 release. > > -- Scripps News Service issued an article bearing the > headline, " Study: No evidence household mold causes major > illness. " > -- The Wall Street Journal printed an article bearing the > headline, " Indoor Mold Linked to Problems Such as Asthma and > Coughing. " > > IAQA believes that confusion over this sensitive topic could either > prolong mass hysteria or lead to an unduly apathetic attitude. Either > approach is counterproductive to the common good. > On one hand, homeowners and building managers reading one article may > think they have nothing to worry about if mold is in their buildings > and it is, as one journalist notes, " about as dangerous as spoiled > ketchup. " On the other hand, the people reading another article may > be led to believe they should evacuate their homes and business > immediately or else so-called " toxic mold " will kill them. > > Not only do the Institute of Medicine authors clearly state that > there are no such things as toxic molds, but they rightfully suggest > a middle-of-the-road viewpoint. While they have found no current > science to establish a clear, causal link between mold and adverse > health effects, they did not rule out that such a link exists. This > is a crucial point that has overwhelmingly been lost in translation > by the media. > > In the eyes of scientists, there is a clear-cut distinction between > what they call an " association " and what they call a " link, " simply > put, an association describes the relationship between two conditions > that merely coexist, while a link describes the cause-and-effect > relationship between one condition and another. This important > distinction is often glossed over by the media, or the terms are > incorrectly used interchangeably. > > Authors of the Institute of Medicine report have stated repeatedly > that there is " a dearth of research " proving whether a causal link > exists between indoor dampness and any health effects. Because of > this, they have requested further study and presented guidelines for > those studies. > > They also list no less than 15 other health symptoms that have been > attributed to mold and other agents and that scientific research has > not yet established sufficient evidence to determine whether an > association exists between them and the presence of mold or other > agents in damp environments. These include cancer, fatigue, > reproductive effects, skin symptoms, lower respiratory illness in > otherwise healthy adults, and airflow obstruction in otherwise > healthy people. > > Furthermore, the authors have listed numerous concerns for damp > buildings. Indoor dampness in general is " not your friend, " as stated > by one member of the panel introducing the report at a May 25 press > conference in Washington, D.C. Thus, the report urges the building > community to develop steps to prevent indoor dampness before it > should ever become a problem. > > Authors recommend action on the federal, state and local levels, and > the report specifically recommends that a federal agency develop and > disseminate consensus guidelines on building design, construction, > operation and maintenance, with the goal of preventing indoor > dampness. IAQA staff is working closely with the U.S. Department of > Housing and Urban Development to determine whether the association > could assist with such a project. > > The Institute of Medicine is a private, nonprofit institution that > provides health policy advice under a congressional charter granted > to the National Academy of Sciences. The full report, which was > requested by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, can be > read online at http://books.nap.edu/catalog/11011.html. > > The Indoor Air Quality Association (IAQA) is a nonprofit, > multidisciplinary organization, dedicated to promoting the exchange > of indoor environmental information, through education and research, > for the safety and well being of the general public. For more > information on IAQA, visit www.iaqa.org or call (301) 231-8388. > > Indoor Air Quality Association > 12339 Carroll Avenue > Rockville, MD 20852 > (301) 231-8388 > Fax (301) 231-8321 > iaqa@... > www.iaqa.org > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > Media Contact: > Glenn Fellman > Executive Director > Phone: (301) 231-8388, ext. 11 > E-mail: IAQglenn@... > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:39:52 -0000 > From: " moldincolo " <jonathan1@...> > Subject: Re: motor homes for MCS people? > > Thanks Bryce -- > > Your comment on human breath sounds about right -- the condensation in a tent is telling. > > I'm thinking I'd like to get a campground host gig for the winter, and get a space with facilities provided. However, campfire smoke seems to affect > me, but only cognitively. I stay strong and energized outside, despite the smoke. > > Regards > > > > -- In , Bryce H Ruddock <brycervics@j...> wrote: > > Hi Jonathon. > > Actually the shower contributes little to the overall moisture since it > > has a strong > > vent system. However it should be wiped down after use. wipe clothes etc > > should > > be removed from the RV to dry or for disposal. > > The greatest source of humidity is believe it or not the human breath ! > > And sweat. > > That is why an improved vent system is needed. (especially for long term > > living). Adding a dehumidifier is essential in humid areas. > > Most public facilities are a risk....I have never really seen a " mold " > > infested > > shower at any of the parks I have visited. > > Public showers tend to be a source of numerous other problems. Even when > > kept quite clean. Mostly frustration at how messy they get !!! > > I have utilized such for several summers at places we stayed long term. > > Having > > a larger shower and one that does not use up your propane or run out of > > hot > > water is most pleasurable. But you must dress for the trips ! Skeeters do > > bite ! > > Most RV showers are too small ...have a small faucet so it uses less > > water. > > Most are one piece fibre glass so are easy to wipe down after use. > > Some RV's have an outdoor shower ...for cleanup...and after swiming. > > > > Start looking ! > > > > Bryce > > > > > > > > On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:39:35 -0000 " moldincolo " <jonathan1@a...> > > writes: > > Bryce & Group -- > > > > My situation is being a little unmanageable right now -- tenting is nice > > currently, but I want to get an RV situation byn fall. > > > > It would seem to me that the biggest source of moisture in an RV would be > > a shower. You guys have any opinions as to a unit with a shower, vs. the > > > > potential exposure dangers and hassle of showering in public facilities? > > Thanks for the Holiday Rambler endorsement. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > Hi and all, > > > > > > Lots of RV's were neglected by owners...thats why so many are ready for > > > the junk. > > > But some were cared for and are safe...and can remain safe when > > > precautions are > > > observed. I/e venting!!! > > > Air needs to be moving to keep the humidity down inside....we lived in > > > RV's for > > > 8 years altogether...cold and hot areas. And humidity must be vented > > out > > > or it > > > will ruin the RV. Look at www.kool-o-matic.com to see the inovations > > in > > > vents > > > and weather covers that allow storage with venting. > > > Full time RV'ing is no more difficult than living in a tight house > > would > > > be. > > > RV's like Holiday Ramber's are better made...walls and roof units are > > > preassembled and seals prevent seeping moisture from entering joints. > > The > > > materials are very carefully selected. I toured that factory in > > Indiana. > > > Was suitably > > > impressed. However I do agree that no one makes a perfect RV or a > > perfect > > > home. > > > RV's usually outgass within a year or two especially in hot dry > > climates. > > > I have heard > > > that placing 4 or 5 bowls of ammonia around in the RV and closing it up > > > on a hot day > > > or running the furnace at 80 degrees will eliminate the out gasses. I > > > have not tried this! > > > (24 hours ) > > > There is no cure for mold damage...except complete removal and even > > then > > > spores may > > > be present. > > > In some RV factories storage of materials may cause pre-construction > > > exposures that lead to mold.. Not at Holiday Rambler. > > > So it is a combination of buyer beware....bad construction/bad > > > materials/lack of care. > > > Just so you know that good RV's exist!!! > > > My own thought is that people create more problems than the > > manufacturer. > > > Use of toxic > > > products soon adds up to problems that are hard to live with. Lack of > > > care comes next. > > > The secret is breathe in ...breathe out....the RV must breathe! > > > There is nothing wrong with using a dehumidifier when needed or using > > the > > > A/C. both will > > > reduce the humidity to a tolerable point. > > > > > > Bryce > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > > > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > > > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > > > > > > > > FAIR USE NOTICE: > > > > This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always > > been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such > > material available in our efforts to advance understanding of > > environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, > > and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' > > of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US > > Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the > > material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have > > expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for > > research and educational purposes. For more information go to: > > http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use > > copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go > > beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 I have also written to Dr. AND Conyers and never heard anything Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Jimmy -- Good job on calling these issues into question. I also forwarded the following letter to Dr. s office after speaking with the press officer for the NAS, . This message was routed through the office of Rep. Conyers via his press secretary. It was certainly disappointing to find that Dr. was unavailable for comment in the period directly after releasing such a predicably high profile study.... Lee To: Noreen , Dean of Public Health, University of Michigan, Chair/ Institute of Medicine environmental studies , Press Officer, National Academy of Sciences From: Lee 790 French St. Del Norte, CO 81132 To who it may concern: In regards to the recently released Institute of Medicine's report, " Damp Indoor Spaces and Health " , I am writing to request a formal clarification of the Institute of Medicine's position in light of poor media interpretation of the study. While the Institute's statement is objective and fair on many issues regarding the subject, I feel the overall media has misrepresented the Institute's findings. To quote the study, the following statement indicates that indoor molds are potentially capable of non allergenic health affects. " The committee found very few studies that have examined whether mold or other factors associated with indoor dampness are linked to fatigue, neuropsychiatric disorders, or other health problems that some people have attributed to fungal infestations of buildings. The little evidence that is available does not support an association, but because of the dearth of well conducted studies and reliable data, the committee could not rule out the possibility. " " Studies on animals and cell cultures in labs have found toxic effects from various microbial agents, raising concerns about whether these same agents growing in buildings can cause illness in people. Molds that are capable of producing toxins do grow indoors, and toxic and inflammatory effects also can be caused by bacteria that flourish in damp conditions, the report noted. " However, the following commentary was reported in the New York Times online edition, one of our nation's most respected news sources. The initial quote is from Dr. Jordan Fink, of the Medical College of Wisconsin. Dr. Fink was not a member of the Institute's panel, but appears to have been consulted as expert witness for the purposes of editorial coverage. He is quoted as stating the following, in direct contradiction with the above study quote: " Dr Fink did agree with the findings that there was no basis to claims that molds could produce non allergenic health problems. In the more than 70 years that scientists have studied molds, he said, " you would think that someone would have reported some evidence of that " In addition, the Times goes on to independently state the following, which appear contradict the above statement by Dr. Fink " Some scientists claim that mycotoxins can cause brain and lung damage " This coverage is obviously confusing to the reader, in that on the one hand, there is reference to no evidence of non allergenic health effects of molds, and in the next paragraph, the statement that there has been scientific reportage of the toxins associated with molds causing organ damage. In reviewing commentary from less objective sources than the Times, the interpretation of the Institute's study become more partisan. In a quote from , a reporter for the Realtytimes.com, Mr. makes the following statement: " The Chicken Littles of the world suffered a set-back last week when a lengthy study by the federal government showed that for most people, household mold is about as dangerous as spoiled ketchup. " " Sellers might want to consider a new real estate contingency: Buyers and all prospective residents of a home should be required to obtain medical tests within 10 days of making a purchase offer showing they are free and clear of any significant adverse reactions to household mold, spores and fungi. " Also of note is the following quote from the International Herald Tribune, online as IHT.com: " Mold insurance may become cheaper and easier to get as a result of a report issued last week by the Institute of Medicine, an arm of the National Academy of Sciences that advises the federal government on health issues. " These two quotes are disturbing, in that they appear to be distorting the Institute's objective study statement to influence industry and regulatory policy.The proposition that there may be health testing that would indicate a person's predisposition to adverse health effects is also largely assumptive, as Mr. has no apparent medical background. It is my opinion that the Institute of Medicine is responsible for issuing a public clarification to it's statement on this study, as it is the assumed purpose of the Institute to protect, address and communicate the health concerns of the nation. In addition, the overall reputability of the organization is being put at risk by irresponsible media reportage of it's carefully researched findings. If the people of the United States are to continue to look to the National Academy of Sciences as an authority on public health, then it's findings must not be allowed to be misinterpreted in any manner. While it is obvious that control of the media's interpretation of findings is neither fully possible or even constitutionally allowable, it is very much the responsibility of the Institute to make every attempt to clarify it's communications with the public, no matter what the extenuating circumstances. One more quote is in order to support my message here. The following quote comes from the preface of the Institute's study itself, and provides some insight into the overall mission of the Institute of Medicine: " Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do. " -- Goethe As a person whose life and health have been enormously affected by the pathogenic effects of indoor molds, I feel compelled to make this commentary in light of my concern for public safety. Regarding the inference that there is no research being conducted that indicates potential health effects, I will have to also state that I have been personally exposed to numerous peer reviewed studies that indicate otherwise. I would be happy to direct the panel of the above mentioned study to these materials for their assessment, if needed. In closing, I would like to request the Institute of Medicine make a formal public clarification of their existing statement that molds are potentially capable of inflicting severe health effects, and additionally, that while current research is inconclusive, there needs to be broad public awareness and support of any ongoing research of the issue. Sincerely Lee 790 French St. Del Norte, CO 81132 -- In , " StartRemodeling.com " <jimmy@s...> wrote: > KUDOS to the IAQA for their attempt to rectify the media hype. > > Here's a letter that I wrote to Noreen at U Mich about the IOM report, > asking for clarification. Waiting on her to return from out of town for a > response! > > >> > Hello Ms. , > > I have been doing some research on your work over the last couple of weeks > and must commend you on your own research, published works and studies as > well as the work you have been doing for Asthmatics and Health Care in > General. I'm sure that you must feel a great sense of satisfaction for the > amount of help you have provided others. > > My questions to you come on a personal as well as professional basis, as I > am experiencing the horrors involved with Toxic Mold Exposure, yet own the > largest Toxic Mold Education and Solutions site on the Internet! Although, > at the age of 42, I had never experienced any respiratory problems of any > kind, during the month of May, I found myself in the Emergency room 3 times, > twice by ambulance, spent 5 days in the hospital and nearly died twice. I am > still experiencing problems breathing and expect to live with this for some > time. The culprit it turns out, was a Stachybotrys growth behind a shower > enclosure that abutted 3 rooms in my home. > > I would like to know, should you take the time out of your day to answer my > questions, if during your tenure with the Committee on Review of Damp Indoor > Spaces with the Institute of Medicine, from which you were quoted about your > recent published study ... > > " Even though the available evidence does not link mold or other factors > associated with building moisture to all the serious health problems that > some attribute to them, excessive indoor dampness is a widespread problem > that warrants action at the local, state and national levels " > > as well as " An exhaustive review of the scientific literature made it clear > to us that it can be very hard to tease apart the health effects of exposure > to mold from all the other factors that may be influencing health in the > typical indoor environment, " > and " That said, we were able to find sufficient evidence that certain > respiratory problems, including symptoms in asthmatics who are sensitive to > mold, are associated with exposure to mold and damp conditions " > > (Q).... are we to come to the conclusion that you believe, in your educated > opinion, based on available scientific literature, that you have to be an > asthmatic, sensitive to mold or have existing respiratory problems to be > affected my mold? > > (Q) What levels (low, normal, medium, high, astronomical) and types of Mold > is your study referring to? All molds and the mycotoxins they release, toxic > and non-toxic, rolled into one term " Mold " ? > > (Q) Can Mold. in your educated opinion, based on available scientific > literature, cause Asthma or Asthmatic symptoms in perfectly healthy > individuals with absolutely NO respiratory problems? > > Thank you in advance for your response. I want to be able to provide quality > and educated responses to the 100's of thousands of visitors to our site. > Your input is appreciated. > > Regards, > > > Jimmy Mc - President > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Jimmy -- Good job on calling these issues into question. I also forwarded the following letter to Dr. s office after speaking with the press officer for the NAS, . This message was routed through the office of Rep. Conyers via his press secretary. It was certainly disappointing to find that Dr. was unavailable for comment in the period directly after releasing such a predicably high profile study.... Lee To: Noreen , Dean of Public Health, University of Michigan, Chair/ Institute of Medicine environmental studies , Press Officer, National Academy of Sciences From: Lee 790 French St. Del Norte, CO 81132 To who it may concern: In regards to the recently released Institute of Medicine's report, " Damp Indoor Spaces and Health " , I am writing to request a formal clarification of the Institute of Medicine's position in light of poor media interpretation of the study. While the Institute's statement is objective and fair on many issues regarding the subject, I feel the overall media has misrepresented the Institute's findings. To quote the study, the following statement indicates that indoor molds are potentially capable of non allergenic health affects. " The committee found very few studies that have examined whether mold or other factors associated with indoor dampness are linked to fatigue, neuropsychiatric disorders, or other health problems that some people have attributed to fungal infestations of buildings. The little evidence that is available does not support an association, but because of the dearth of well conducted studies and reliable data, the committee could not rule out the possibility. " " Studies on animals and cell cultures in labs have found toxic effects from various microbial agents, raising concerns about whether these same agents growing in buildings can cause illness in people. Molds that are capable of producing toxins do grow indoors, and toxic and inflammatory effects also can be caused by bacteria that flourish in damp conditions, the report noted. " However, the following commentary was reported in the New York Times online edition, one of our nation's most respected news sources. The initial quote is from Dr. Jordan Fink, of the Medical College of Wisconsin. Dr. Fink was not a member of the Institute's panel, but appears to have been consulted as expert witness for the purposes of editorial coverage. He is quoted as stating the following, in direct contradiction with the above study quote: " Dr Fink did agree with the findings that there was no basis to claims that molds could produce non allergenic health problems. In the more than 70 years that scientists have studied molds, he said, " you would think that someone would have reported some evidence of that " In addition, the Times goes on to independently state the following, which appear contradict the above statement by Dr. Fink " Some scientists claim that mycotoxins can cause brain and lung damage " This coverage is obviously confusing to the reader, in that on the one hand, there is reference to no evidence of non allergenic health effects of molds, and in the next paragraph, the statement that there has been scientific reportage of the toxins associated with molds causing organ damage. In reviewing commentary from less objective sources than the Times, the interpretation of the Institute's study become more partisan. In a quote from , a reporter for the Realtytimes.com, Mr. makes the following statement: " The Chicken Littles of the world suffered a set-back last week when a lengthy study by the federal government showed that for most people, household mold is about as dangerous as spoiled ketchup. " " Sellers might want to consider a new real estate contingency: Buyers and all prospective residents of a home should be required to obtain medical tests within 10 days of making a purchase offer showing they are free and clear of any significant adverse reactions to household mold, spores and fungi. " Also of note is the following quote from the International Herald Tribune, online as IHT.com: " Mold insurance may become cheaper and easier to get as a result of a report issued last week by the Institute of Medicine, an arm of the National Academy of Sciences that advises the federal government on health issues. " These two quotes are disturbing, in that they appear to be distorting the Institute's objective study statement to influence industry and regulatory policy.The proposition that there may be health testing that would indicate a person's predisposition to adverse health effects is also largely assumptive, as Mr. has no apparent medical background. It is my opinion that the Institute of Medicine is responsible for issuing a public clarification to it's statement on this study, as it is the assumed purpose of the Institute to protect, address and communicate the health concerns of the nation. In addition, the overall reputability of the organization is being put at risk by irresponsible media reportage of it's carefully researched findings. If the people of the United States are to continue to look to the National Academy of Sciences as an authority on public health, then it's findings must not be allowed to be misinterpreted in any manner. While it is obvious that control of the media's interpretation of findings is neither fully possible or even constitutionally allowable, it is very much the responsibility of the Institute to make every attempt to clarify it's communications with the public, no matter what the extenuating circumstances. One more quote is in order to support my message here. The following quote comes from the preface of the Institute's study itself, and provides some insight into the overall mission of the Institute of Medicine: " Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do. " -- Goethe As a person whose life and health have been enormously affected by the pathogenic effects of indoor molds, I feel compelled to make this commentary in light of my concern for public safety. Regarding the inference that there is no research being conducted that indicates potential health effects, I will have to also state that I have been personally exposed to numerous peer reviewed studies that indicate otherwise. I would be happy to direct the panel of the above mentioned study to these materials for their assessment, if needed. In closing, I would like to request the Institute of Medicine make a formal public clarification of their existing statement that molds are potentially capable of inflicting severe health effects, and additionally, that while current research is inconclusive, there needs to be broad public awareness and support of any ongoing research of the issue. Sincerely Lee 790 French St. Del Norte, CO 81132 -- In , " StartRemodeling.com " <jimmy@s...> wrote: > KUDOS to the IAQA for their attempt to rectify the media hype. > > Here's a letter that I wrote to Noreen at U Mich about the IOM report, > asking for clarification. Waiting on her to return from out of town for a > response! > > >> > Hello Ms. , > > I have been doing some research on your work over the last couple of weeks > and must commend you on your own research, published works and studies as > well as the work you have been doing for Asthmatics and Health Care in > General. I'm sure that you must feel a great sense of satisfaction for the > amount of help you have provided others. > > My questions to you come on a personal as well as professional basis, as I > am experiencing the horrors involved with Toxic Mold Exposure, yet own the > largest Toxic Mold Education and Solutions site on the Internet! Although, > at the age of 42, I had never experienced any respiratory problems of any > kind, during the month of May, I found myself in the Emergency room 3 times, > twice by ambulance, spent 5 days in the hospital and nearly died twice. I am > still experiencing problems breathing and expect to live with this for some > time. The culprit it turns out, was a Stachybotrys growth behind a shower > enclosure that abutted 3 rooms in my home. > > I would like to know, should you take the time out of your day to answer my > questions, if during your tenure with the Committee on Review of Damp Indoor > Spaces with the Institute of Medicine, from which you were quoted about your > recent published study ... > > " Even though the available evidence does not link mold or other factors > associated with building moisture to all the serious health problems that > some attribute to them, excessive indoor dampness is a widespread problem > that warrants action at the local, state and national levels " > > as well as " An exhaustive review of the scientific literature made it clear > to us that it can be very hard to tease apart the health effects of exposure > to mold from all the other factors that may be influencing health in the > typical indoor environment, " > and " That said, we were able to find sufficient evidence that certain > respiratory problems, including symptoms in asthmatics who are sensitive to > mold, are associated with exposure to mold and damp conditions " > > (Q).... are we to come to the conclusion that you believe, in your educated > opinion, based on available scientific literature, that you have to be an > asthmatic, sensitive to mold or have existing respiratory problems to be > affected my mold? > > (Q) What levels (low, normal, medium, high, astronomical) and types of Mold > is your study referring to? All molds and the mycotoxins they release, toxic > and non-toxic, rolled into one term " Mold " ? > > (Q) Can Mold. in your educated opinion, based on available scientific > literature, cause Asthma or Asthmatic symptoms in perfectly healthy > individuals with absolutely NO respiratory problems? > > Thank you in advance for your response. I want to be able to provide quality > and educated responses to the 100's of thousands of visitors to our site. > Your input is appreciated. > > Regards, > > > Jimmy Mc - President > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 Hi, I have had a similar problem with my period, once having one that lasted 6 weeks w/ no signs of stopping. I never had a diagnosed thyroid problem nor tics however. I also went on oral progesterone which did stop the period after 10 days . My biggest concern would be her iron level, especially if her period is heavy or if she had this before (especially since she's feeling the effects in her work out!). Did she get her hemoglobin (iron/oxygen carrier in the blood) level checked? My iron level got down to scary range (6ish when it should be around 12), and only when it got that low did I even notice (working out made me dizzy, the shower made it so I couldn't breath as easy unless the door was open for fresh air, etc.). Sometimes doctors don't realize just how quick iron can decrease during a long heavy period. My doctor told me that he would have given me a blood transfusion if I wasn't so young and would recover quickly. Do her mucous membranes look paler than normal (especially around her eyes)? I'm not sure if low iron would cause eye tics, but it certainly causes decreased energy, difficulty breathing during workouts/lower oxygen times, and paleness. I hope this helps! My daughter has had her menstrual cycle for I guess 17 days now. SHe does not have epilepsy, she has a thyroid problem. I decided to get blood work done for the thyroid, possible the meds was too low. I decided that she needed progesterone cream to help stop with the bleeding but it is hard to figure out how much. The bleeding has not stopped so I took her to the doctor, for she was getting too weak and going to gym was very hard to do. Especially when it was heavy bleeding. The doctor said that the thyroid was too low, so they raised the level, that was the problem. But they wanted her off the cream and give it in the pill form just for about 10 days, till the bleeding stops quicker. The bleeding is decreasing but it is taking so long. She said if it doesnt stop they would put her on birth control to stop it. (hope not) SHe is now twitching in her eyes badly. That it is giving her headaches. SHe does have tics. But not like this. She usually has it in her hand a little. But I do believe she has somekind of deficency from all the loss of blood. So I decided to try to give her foods with potassium in it. Could this be the cause? I started her on foods with potassium think she is low on that. We tried magnesium a drink and she just got diarrea from it. ANd then next thing will be B6. Does anyone have any suggestions? thanks epilepsyapproach/ --------------------------------- FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 In a message dated 11/20/2005 8:10:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, angel_lts@... writes: But thanks for the info. If it keeps up, I will suggest that to the doctor. I was very concern about her iron level too, that is why I was giving her vitamin with iron... thanks again. Liver and spinach are better sources of iron than in the pill form. mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 , Thank you for your info. Actually, around her eyes are just red. But around the eyes have been this way for awhile. Most likely from low on fluids I believe. She has not felt faint, or dizzy at all. Her eye twitching has stopped since yesterday. But she has been eating spinach and artichokes, some the highes levels of potassium. I do believe it was the potassium level. Horrible six weeks, that is scary and dangerous. It is her 21 day now. I dont know if it is going to stop. But I have told her the things she should eat to get rid of these problems. She is a little stubborn at times. But thanks for the info. If it keeps up, I will suggest that to the doctor. I was very concern about her iron level too, that is why I was giving her vitamin with iron... thanks again. > > Hi, I have had a similar problem with my period, once having one that lasted 6 weeks w/ no signs of stopping. I never had a diagnosed thyroid problem nor tics however. I also went on oral progesterone which did stop the period after 10 days . My biggest concern would be her iron level, especially if her period is heavy or if she had this before (especially since she's feeling the effects in her work out!). Did she get her hemoglobin (iron/oxygen carrier in the blood) level checked? My iron level got down to scary range (6ish when it should be around 12), and only when it got that low did I even notice (working out made me dizzy, the shower made it so I couldn't breath as easy unless the door was open for fresh air, etc.). Sometimes doctors don't realize just how quick iron can decrease during a long heavy period. My doctor told me that he would have given me a blood transfusion if I wasn't so young and would recover quickly. Do her mucous membranes look paler than normal > (especially around her eyes)? I'm not sure if low iron would cause eye tics, but it certainly causes decreased energy, difficulty breathing during workouts/lower oxygen times, and paleness. I hope this helps! > > > > My daughter has had her menstrual cycle for I guess 17 days now. SHe > does not have epilepsy, she has a thyroid problem. I decided to get > blood work done for the thyroid, possible the meds was too low. I > decided that she needed progesterone cream to help stop with the > bleeding but it is hard to figure out how much. > > The bleeding has not stopped so I took her to the doctor, for she > was getting too weak and going to gym was very hard to do. > Especially when it was heavy bleeding. > > The doctor said that the thyroid was too low, so they raised the > level, that was the problem. But they wanted her off the cream and > give it in the pill form just for about 10 days, till the bleeding > stops quicker. > > The bleeding is decreasing but it is taking so long. She said if it > doesnt stop they would put her on birth control to stop it. (hope > not) > > SHe is now twitching in her eyes badly. That it is giving her > headaches. SHe does have tics. But not like this. She usually has it > in her hand a little. But I do believe she has somekind of deficency > from all the loss of blood. So I decided to try to give her foods > with potassium in it. > Could this be the cause? I started her on foods with potassium think > she is low on that. We tried magnesium a drink and she just got > diarrea from it. ANd then next thing will be B6. > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > thanks > > epilepsyapproach/ > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 , The eye twitching has finally ended. For kids in school were started to ask about it. And I am sure in time they would have made fun. I do believe it was the low potassium, for I am sure, from all the bleeding. I dont think it was the low thyroid. FOr taking a higher dose of the thyroid medicine, takes time to kick in amd it only has been four days. But I have been giving her potassium for days now. take care and thank you htpp://health./group/epilepsyapproach/ > > Hi, I have had a similar problem with my period, once having one that lasted 6 weeks w/ no signs of stopping. I never had a diagnosed thyroid problem nor tics however. I also went on oral progesterone which did stop the period after 10 days . My biggest concern would be her iron level, especially if her period is heavy or if she had this before (especially since she's feeling the effects in her work out!). Did she get her hemoglobin (iron/oxygen carrier in the blood) level checked? My iron level got down to scary range (6ish when it should be around 12), and only when it got that low did I even notice (working out made me dizzy, the shower made it so I couldn't breath as easy unless the door was open for fresh air, etc.). Sometimes doctors don't realize just how quick iron can decrease during a long heavy period. My doctor told me that he would have given me a blood transfusion if I wasn't so young and would recover quickly. Do her mucous membranes look paler than normal > (especially around her eyes)? I'm not sure if low iron would cause eye tics, but it certainly causes decreased energy, difficulty breathing during workouts/lower oxygen times, and paleness. I hope this helps! > > > > My daughter has had her menstrual cycle for I guess 17 days now. SHe > does not have epilepsy, she has a thyroid problem. I decided to get > blood work done for the thyroid, possible the meds was too low. I > decided that she needed progesterone cream to help stop with the > bleeding but it is hard to figure out how much. > > The bleeding has not stopped so I took her to the doctor, for she > was getting too weak and going to gym was very hard to do. > Especially when it was heavy bleeding. > > The doctor said that the thyroid was too low, so they raised the > level, that was the problem. But they wanted her off the cream and > give it in the pill form just for about 10 days, till the bleeding > stops quicker. > > The bleeding is decreasing but it is taking so long. She said if it > doesnt stop they would put her on birth control to stop it. (hope > not) > > SHe is now twitching in her eyes badly. That it is giving her > headaches. SHe does have tics. But not like this. She usually has it > in her hand a little. But I do believe she has somekind of deficency > from all the loss of blood. So I decided to try to give her foods > with potassium in it. > Could this be the cause? I started her on foods with potassium think > she is low on that. We tried magnesium a drink and she just got > diarrea from it. ANd then next thing will be B6. > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > thanks > > epilepsyapproach/ > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Marilyn, I have a question about my daughter. If all these problems she is having could it be from candida infection? the eye twitching...And what can she take, or do you know a good web site I can check out. thanks > > > > In a message dated 11/20/2005 8:10:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, > angel_lts@y... writes: > > But thanks for the info. If it keeps up, I will suggest that to the > doctor. I was very concern about her iron level too, that is why I > was giving her vitamin with iron... > thanks again. > > > > > Liver and spinach are better sources of iron than in the pill form. > > mjh > " The Basil Book " > http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 In a message dated 11/28/2005 10:19:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, angel_lts@... writes: Marilyn, I have a question about my daughter. If all these problems she is having could it be from candida infection? the eye twitching...And what can she take, or do you know a good web site I can check out. thanks >>> Yes, it could. Add PLAIN yoghurt to her diet three times a day, reduce ALL carbs as they feed the infection, make her oregano tea every day, add virgin coconut oil to her diet (this will help her bain, too). See the tropicaltraditions.com website for more info on candida and other yeast infections. Yeast infections can cause all sorts of problems. Men can get them, too. mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 In a message dated 11/29/2005 7:34:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, angel_lts@... writes: But the tea, I know that will be problem with her. I dont think she will take that. I will try. But thanks for the help. WalMart has oregano oil in capsules inexpensively. Try that instead. Critically important is to reduce carbs in the diet and remember..... you are the Mom. mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 In a message dated 11/29/2005 10:31:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, angel_lts@... writes: Mjh, One more question. What do you think about using Gymnema Sylvestra (also Garcinia Cambogia) for craving foods? Or do you have another suggestion? thanks for all your help If she is craving carbs, them give more coconut oil. It will satisfy the appetite AND help kills the yeast mjh " The Basil Book " http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Hi Marilyn, That is funny. Last night I was reading about the coconut oil. ANd I gave her some then. ANd this morning I made her a shake with yogurt, flax seed, fruit, banana, coconut oil in it. I am glad this can help. It makes it much more easier. I thought it was going to be more complicated than that. The problem is, my daughter is so stubborn. I will have to try to shove these in foods. But the tea, I know that will be problem with her. I dont think she will take that. I will try. But thanks for the help. epilepsy approach > > > > In a message dated 11/28/2005 10:19:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, > angel_lts@y... writes: > > Marilyn, I have a question about my daughter. If all these problems > she is having could it be from candida infection? the eye > twitching...And what can she take, or do you know a good web site I > can check out. > thanks > > > > >>> > > Yes, it could. Add PLAIN yoghurt to her diet three times a day, reduce ALL > carbs as they feed the infection, make her oregano tea every day, add virgin > coconut oil to her diet (this will help her bain, too). See the > tropicaltraditions.com website for more info on candida and other yeast infections. > > Yeast infections can cause all sorts of problems. Men can get them, too. > > mjh > " The Basil Book " > http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 MJH, I will buy it today. I am the mom, but it is a battle, believe me. STRESS, STRESS, STRESS, STRESS-STRESS! Teenagers-god - they are very hard to deal with. And right now I have three of them. thanks > > > > In a message dated 11/29/2005 7:34:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, > angel_lts@y... writes: > > But the tea, I know that will be problem with her. I dont think she > will take that. > > I will try. But thanks for the help. > > > > WalMart has oregano oil in capsules inexpensively. Try that instead. > > Critically important is to reduce carbs in the diet and remember..... you > are the Mom. > > mjh > " The Basil Book " > http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Mjh, One more question. What do you think about using Gymnema Sylvestra (also Garcinia Cambogia) for craving foods? Or do you have another suggestion? thanks for all your help -- In , foxhillers@a... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 11/29/2005 7:34:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, > angel_lts@y... writes: > > But the tea, I know that will be problem with her. I dont think she > will take that. > > I will try. But thanks for the help. > > > > WalMart has oregano oil in capsules inexpensively. Try that instead. > > Critically important is to reduce carbs in the diet and remember..... you > are the Mom. > > mjh > " The Basil Book " > http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 thanks so much for all your help epilepsy approach > > > > In a message dated 11/29/2005 10:31:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, > angel_lts@y... writes: > > Mjh, One more question. > What do you think about using Gymnema Sylvestra (also Garcinia > Cambogia) for craving foods? Or do you have another suggestion? > thanks for all your help > > > > > If she is craving carbs, them give more coconut oil. It will satisfy the > appetite AND help kills the yeast > > mjh > " The Basil Book " > http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 My daughters bleeding has finally ended thank goodness. It probably was the higher dose of the thyroid medication. It finally kicked in. Thanks for all your help > > > > Hi, I have had a similar problem with my period, once having one > that lasted 6 weeks w/ no signs of stopping. I never had a > diagnosed thyroid problem nor tics however. I also went on oral > progesterone which did stop the period after 10 days . My biggest > concern would be her iron level, especially if her period is heavy > or if she had this before (especially since she's feeling the > effects in her work out!). Did she get her hemoglobin (iron/oxygen > carrier in the blood) level checked? My iron level got down to > scary range (6ish when it should be around 12), and only when it got > that low did I even notice (working out made me dizzy, the shower > made it so I couldn't breath as easy unless the door was open for > fresh air, etc.). Sometimes doctors don't realize just how quick > iron can decrease during a long heavy period. My doctor told me > that he would have given me a blood transfusion if I wasn't so young > and would recover quickly. Do her mucous membranes look paler than > normal > > (especially around her eyes)? I'm not sure if low iron would > cause eye tics, but it certainly causes decreased energy, difficulty > breathing during workouts/lower oxygen times, and paleness. I hope > this helps! > > > > > > > > My daughter has had her menstrual cycle for I guess 17 days now. > SHe > > does not have epilepsy, she has a thyroid problem. I decided to > get > > blood work done for the thyroid, possible the meds was too low. I > > decided that she needed progesterone cream to help stop with the > > bleeding but it is hard to figure out how much. > > > > The bleeding has not stopped so I took her to the doctor, for she > > was getting too weak and going to gym was very hard to do. > > Especially when it was heavy bleeding. > > > > The doctor said that the thyroid was too low, so they raised the > > level, that was the problem. But they wanted her off the cream and > > give it in the pill form just for about 10 days, till the bleeding > > stops quicker. > > > > The bleeding is decreasing but it is taking so long. She said if > it > > doesnt stop they would put her on birth control to stop it. (hope > > not) > > > > SHe is now twitching in her eyes badly. That it is giving her > > headaches. SHe does have tics. But not like this. She usually has > it > > in her hand a little. But I do believe she has somekind of > deficency > > from all the loss of blood. So I decided to try to give her foods > > with potassium in it. > > Could this be the cause? I started her on foods with potassium > think > > she is low on that. We tried magnesium a drink and she just got > > diarrea from it. ANd then next thing will be B6. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > > > thanks > > > > epilepsyapproach/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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