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Oh, my, that’s

terrible, .

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Re: I'm here

I feel your pain. I lost Sassy's Sliders, Giuseppe's

Pizza (they were

almost right out my door!), and a branch of my favorite Brooklyn

pizzeria all within a few months of each other. Horrible.

Re: I'm here

& gt;

& gt; My favorite substitute for coffee in recipes was Postum which I

didn't

& gt; realize was being discontinued by Kraft (apparently, the profits

& gt; generated by fake cheese weren't enough to subsidize a 100+-

year-old

& gt; product). I didn't realize it and didn't stock up. ((

& gt;

& gt;

Aw, shucks, -you mean " Real 'Kraft' cheese " doesn't mean Kraft

REAL cheese??? I am shocked and devastated to think they would resort

to deceptive marketing. You couldn't force that garbage down me if

I was starving, lol

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All this and she wants to pick berries !?!? :-)

Stacey

I feel your pain. I lost Sassy's Sliders, Giuseppe's Pizza (they were almost right out my door!), and a branch of my favorite Brooklyn pizzeria all within a few months of each other. Horrible.

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IT HURTS SO BAD!!!! ((

To make matters worse, I had not one but TWO punch cards for free

Sassy's meals (reminds me of Seinfeld and Elaine's free " bad subs. " And

I'm still waiting for Bloomingdale's to get plain Frogurt together--the

company moved and the product didn't handle the transition well so

Bloomie's is patiently waiting for them to get their act

together--low-fat " plain " has been their signature flavor since the

'70s and they're willing to wait until Frogurt gets it right again (I

find this attitude very commendable).

Re: I'm here

 

& gt;

& gt; My favorite substitute for coffee in recipes was Postum which I

didn't

& gt; realize was being discontinued by Kraft (apparently, the profits

& gt; generated by fake cheese weren't enough to subsidize a 100+-

year-old

& gt; product). I didn't realize it and didn't stock up. ((

& gt;

& gt;

Aw, shucks, -you mean " Real 'Kraft' cheese " doesn't mean Kraft

REAL cheese??? I am shocked and devastated to think they would resort

to deceptive marketing. You couldn't force that garbage down me if

I was starving, lol

[Guest guest]

ROTLMAO

Re: Re: I'm here

 

All this and she wants to pick berries !?!?  :-)

 

Stacey

 

I feel your pain. I lost Sassy's Sliders, Giuseppe's Pizza (they were

almost right out my door!), and a branch of my favorite Brooklyn

pizzeria all within a few months of each other. Horrible.

[Guest guest]

>

> Wait what? I grew up on Kraft cheese! What is wrong with kraft?

> Kim in OR

>

I also grew up on Kraft cheese-then I grew up and learned about food. I am not

sure this list would be the appropriate place for me to elaborate on my distaste

for deceptive marketing, so feel free to email me off list if you want more

info-happy to share. I think my biggest issue with Kraft IS their deceptive

marketing. They say their products are made with " Real Kraft Cheese " , which is

not REAL cheese at all, it is just Kraft ingredients made into a " cheese food " .

Sorry if I stepped on any toes.

[Guest guest]

Now  come on let me in on the scoup!KooLarryOn Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 5:51 PM, <berrywell@...> wrote:

 

>

> Wait what? I grew up on Kraft cheese! What is wrong with kraft?

> Kim in OR

>

I also grew up on Kraft cheese-then I grew up and learned about food. I am not sure this list would be the appropriate place for me to elaborate on my distaste for deceptive marketing, so feel free to email me off list if you want more info-happy to share. I think my biggest issue with Kraft IS their deceptive marketing. They say their products are made with " Real Kraft Cheese " , which is not REAL cheese at all, it is just Kraft ingredients made into a " cheese food " . Sorry if I stepped on any toes.

[Guest guest]

If it makes you all feel any better, I lost ALL restaurants when I developed

food allergies-have not eaten ONE morsel I haven't prepared MYSELF in over 8

years! Count your blessing, my darlings, lol

[Guest guest]

please give me some of your where with all to do what you did!KooLarryOn Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 6:33 PM, <berrywell@...> wrote:

 

If it makes you all feel any better, I lost ALL restaurants when I developed food allergies-have not eaten ONE morsel I haven't prepared MYSELF in over 8 years! Count your blessing, my darlings, lol

[Guest guest]

, most every

morsel I eat anymore is what I prepare. We rarely eat out. I’m sorry

you have awful allergies!

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9:33 PM

Subject: Re:

I'm here

If it makes you all feel any better, I lost ALL

restaurants when I developed food allergies-have not eaten ONE morsel I haven't

prepared MYSELF in over 8 years! Count your blessing, my darlings, lol

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>

> Now come on let me in on the scoup!

> KooLarry

>

Okay, but its not pretty! Kraft is known for using animals that are raised in

horrid factory farms, and for dosing their cows with growth hormones, steroids,

antibiotics, medications, and a totally unnatural diet. So, what little real

milk is in kraft cheese is not quality milk from the start. They add loads of

fillers, colors and artificial ingredients to their products. Years ago, they

came up with the concept of naming their powdered cheese " real KRAFT cheese " ,

which is pretty much saying it really is Kraft brand powder made to look like

cheese. The marketing ploy worked great though-many of us unsuspecting folks

(myself included) were duped in to believing that meant it was real cheese.

Kraft is notorious for cutting corners to save costs. If you write the company

to ask about any ingredient, you will get back a standard response saying how

wholesome their products are-when pushed, they will admit that they outsource so

many of their ingredients that they really have no clue what the ingredients IN

the ingredients are, or even where they come from. This is probably not a huge

issue for the average consumer, but is a huge issue for anyone with an allergy

of any type.

[Guest guest]

>

> * please give me some of your where with all to do what you did!

> KooLarry

> *

>

Happy to share info with you, Larry. I did it out of desperation! And learned

much along the way.......email me off list if you would like a link to my

allergy group.

[Guest guest]

>

> , most every morsel I eat anymore is what I prepare. We rarely eat

> out. I'm sorry you have awful allergies!

>

Thanks, Marsha-but I no longer consider them awful-I consider them a blessing in

disguise. It forced me to learn a lot about food, and what I learned was

shocking-and frightening. I am actually GLAD I developed allergies, because I

can at least teach my daughter how to make better choices. I have adapted

rather well despite the limitations. It has certainly been a culinary journey,

lol

[Guest guest]

These days my cheddar of choice is Tillimook. I'd never heard of it until we moved here. It taste great to me. I don't know the condition the cows are raised in. I hope they are well cared for. I am slowly very slowly working towards eating less cheese.Kim in ORFrom: <berrywell@...>Subject: Re: I'm here Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 7:51 PM

>

> Wait what? I grew up on Kraft cheese! What is wrong with kraft?

> Kim in OR

>

I also grew up on Kraft cheese-then I grew up and learned about food. I am not sure this list would be the appropriate place for me to elaborate on my distaste for deceptive marketing, so feel free to email me off list if you want more info-happy to share. I think my biggest issue with Kraft IS their deceptive marketing. They say their products are made with "Real Kraft Cheese", which is not REAL cheese at all, it is just Kraft ingredients made into a "cheese food". Sorry if I stepped on any toes.

[Guest guest]

I've never HAD Tillamook but I know OF it through my friend Steve

who's probably the most knowledgeable cheese authorities in the

country. They were founded over a hundred years ago by a group of Swiss

ex-pats who couldn't figure out why they were unable to make

Emmenthaler cheese in Oregon (too humid!). They were advised that

Cheddar might be a better bet, so that's how theirs was born. It's

supposed to be good cheddar!

Re: I'm here

Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 7:51 PM

 

& gt;

& gt; Wait what? I grew up on Kraft cheese! What is wrong with kraft?

& gt; Kim in OR

& gt;

I also grew up on Kraft cheese-then I grew up and learned about food.

I am not sure this list would be the appropriate place for me to

elaborate on my distaste for deceptive marketing, so feel free to email

me off list if you want more info-happy to share. I think my biggest

issue with Kraft IS their deceptive marketing. They say their products

are made with " Real Kraft Cheese " , which is not REAL cheese at all, it

is just Kraft ingredients made into a " cheese food " . Sorry if I

stepped on any toes.

[Guest guest]

I'm sure that has been really tough on you, but I think in the big scheme of things, you are going to have many more healthy blessings to count for having eaten and known exactly what went into your body.

Fran

[Guest guest]

Do I understand correctly that Kraft cheddar cheese, Kraft mozarella etc. are NOT actual cheese? I always assumed that just Velveeta and the sliced stuff, the " cheese food " , were not real but that the shredded cheeses and the blocks were actual cheese.

Gudrun

 On Wed, 6/23/10,  <berrywell@...> wrote:

From: <berrywell@...>Subject: Re: I'm hereTo: 

Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 7:51 PM 

>> Wait what? I grew up on Kraft cheese! What is wrong with kraft?> Kim in OR> I also grew up on Kraft cheese-then I grew up and learned about food. I am not sure this list would be the appropriate place for me to elaborate on my distaste for deceptive marketing, so feel free to email me off list if you want more info-happy to share. I think my biggest issue with Kraft IS their deceptive marketing. They say their products are made with " Real Kraft Cheese " , which is not REAL cheese at all, it is just Kraft ingredients made into a " cheese food " . Sorry if I stepped on any toes.

[Guest guest]

>

>

Kraft is known for their use of 'milk protein concentrates' which cannot be

classified as real milk, but sadly is. Here is a link that explains it better

than I can. I make homemade cheese, and know that the ingredients CAN (and

should) be simple and wholesome-milk and culture or enzymes, period (I use

vegetarian rennet-most cheeses use animal rennet which comes from the 4th

stomach of slaughter baby veal calves)

http://www.mindfully.org/Food/Kraft-Cheese-Adulterated.htm

[Guest guest]

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 9:11 AM, <berrywell@...> wrote:

Kraft is known for their use of 'milk protein concentrates' which cannot be classified as real milk, but sadly is. Here is a link that explains it better than I can. I make homemade cheese, and know that the ingredients CAN (and should) be simple and wholesome-milk and culture or enzymes, period (I use vegetarian rennet-most cheeses use animal rennet which comes from the 4th stomach of slaughter baby veal calves)

http://www.mindfully.org/Food/Kraft-Cheese-Adulterated.htm

Well, after reading this I still don't understand. It says“virtually EVERY Kraft processed `cheese’ product in the supermarket contains MPCs. Add up the Kraft products listing MPC as an ingredient: Cheez Whiz, Velveeta, the array of processed Singlesproducts, Kraft emerges as a huge user of the 100-120 million pounds of MPCs that entered the U.S. in 1999. Kraft now spells processed cheese products `M-P-C’.”

I knew that, I'm not questioning processed cheeses, of course they're fake, I'm worried that you say the " real " cheeses aren't " real. "  I use raw milk, make my own yogurt and butter from that milk, and yogurt cheese also. I have looked into making cheddar etc. but it's just more than I care to get into at my age. 

I am looking at a bag of shredded cheddar cheese right now. The ingredients are: cheddar cheese (pasteurized milk, cheese culture, salt, enzymes and annatto color), anticaking agent and a mold inhibitor. No mention of MPC. But you think it's in there anyway?

Gudrun

-- " Do not meddle with the forces of nature, for you are small, insignificant and biodegradable. " --unknown

[Guest guest]

I think it's on a state-by-state basis. Somewhat better quality

" American Cheese " can be bought and cut to order from reliable

cheesemongers, so stuff better than Kraft is out there.

Re: I'm here

To: 

Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 7:51 PM

 

& gt;

& gt; Wait what? I grew up on Kraft cheese! What is wrong with kraft?

& gt; Kim in OR

& gt; 

I also grew up on Kraft cheese-then I grew up and learned about food. I

am not sure this list would be the appropriate place for me to

elaborate on my distaste for deceptive marketing, so feel free to email

me off list if you want more info-happy to share. I think my biggest

issue with Kraft IS their deceptive marketing. They say their products

are made with " Real Kraft Cheese " , which is not REAL cheese at all, it

is just Kraft ingredients made into a " cheese food " . Sorry if I stepped

on any toes.

[Guest guest]

To be honest, I haven't purchased or researched commercial products in many

years now that I make my own, so things may have changed. I also didn't say

that real cheese was not real-just that Kraft's terminology and play on words is

what is deceptive. In the original thread, I WAS actually referring to the

processed cheeses and powders that they use-not so much their blocked cheese,

although I know at one time, even those contained not such good stuff. In any

case, their farming practices are enough to put me off.

[Guest guest]

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 9:58 AM, <berrywell@...> wrote:

To be honest, I haven't purchased or researched commercial products in many years now that I make my own, so things may have changed. I also didn't say that real cheese was not real-just that Kraft's terminology and play on words is what is deceptive. In the original thread, I WAS actually referring to the processed cheeses and powders that they use-not so much their blocked cheese, although I know at one time, even those contained not such good stuff. In any case, their farming practices are enough to put me off.

Okay, glad to hear that. I'm just really concerned with what I eat (being celiac) and so you had me worried. Cheese is one of the few things I can still enjoy. Wheat products are obviously out and nuts and seeds (which I also love) upset my insides.

So, you see, thinking that cheese may be  a horrible food had me concerned! I haven't consumed processed cheeses in years. They're a joke. I generally don't buy Kraft cheeses but that's just because the house brands are cheaper. I know nothing about their farming practices.

Gudrun

[Guest guest]

> Okay, glad to hear that. I'm just really concerned with what I eat (being

> celiac) and so you had me worried. Cheese is one of the few things I can

> still enjoy. Wheat products are obviously out and nuts and seeds (which I

> also love) upset my insides.

> So, you see, thinking that cheese may be a horrible food had me concerned!

> I haven't consumed processed cheeses in years. They're a joke. I generally

> don't buy Kraft cheeses but that's just because the house brands are

> cheaper. I know nothing about their farming practices.

>

> Gudrun

>

Sorry I stirred you up, my dear-wasn't my intention. That said, I must point

out to you that MANY (if not all) pre shredded cheeses such as the one you

mentioned earlier contain " anti caking agents " which DO contain wheat! Also,

the annato and other colorants can contain wheat ingredients. I recommend

CABOT brand cheeses, which do not contain either.

[Guest guest]

I don't actually know that Kraft produces cheese in blocks--the stuff

you see in delis here is usually Boar's Head (which, while by no

stretch of the imagination is high-end, is by any definition cheese).

I'm not sure what brand places like Fairway stocks behind the counter

in blocks but I know they carry it. Of course, Kraft is in the dairy

case rather than at the cheese counter.

Re: I'm here

 

To be honest, I haven't purchased or researched commercial products in

many years now that I make my own, so things may have changed. I also

didn't say that real cheese was not real-just that Kraft's terminology

and play on words is what is deceptive. In the original thread, I WAS

actually referring to the processed cheeses and powders that they

use-not so much their blocked cheese, although I know at one time, even

those contained not such good stuff. In any case, their farming

practices are enough to put me off.

[Guest guest]

,I'm glad it is good cheese. I know it tastes really good.Kim in OR

From: & lt;berrywell@... & gt;

Subject: Re: I'm here

Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 7:51 PM

& gt;

& gt; Wait what? I grew up on Kraft cheese! What is wrong with kraft?

& gt; Kim in OR

& gt;

I also grew up on Kraft cheese-then I grew up and learned about food.

I am not sure this list would be the appropriate place for me to

elaborate on my distaste for deceptive marketing, so feel free to email

me off list if you want more info-happy to share. I think my biggest

issue with Kraft IS their deceptive marketing. They say their products

are made with "Real Kraft Cheese", which is not REAL cheese at all, it

is just Kraft ingredients made into a "cheese food". Sorry if I

stepped on any toes.

[Guest guest]

Steve really knows his stuff. I just dropped him an e-mail to

compliment him on a new olive oil he procured for Fairway; it's called

" Molise, " and they have baguette slices and containers of oil out to

sample. Great stuff!

On an unhappier note, I was shopping today (at Fairway) and wanted to

pick up a few bottles of GT's to hold me until my batch is done. GONE.

They didn't pull theirs but every last bottle was GONE. In fact, every

bottle of every brand of kombucha was GONE. Apparently, they were

bought out and Fairway isn't able to get any more for the time being.

They're probably re-testing it but none of the warehouses that stock it

have any. This is SUCH nonsense--if there were even an almost

appreciable amount of alcohol in any of the KT I've bought, I'd have

detected it. This is SO DUMB. I'm glad I decided to grow a SCOBY when I

did.

Re: I'm here

Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 7:51 PM

 

& gt;

& gt; Wait what? I grew up on Kraft cheese! What is wrong with kraft?

& gt; Kim in OR

& gt;

I also grew up on Kraft cheese-then I grew up and learned about food.

I am not sure this list would be the appropriate place for me to

elaborate on my distaste for deceptive marketing, so feel free to email

me off list if you want more info-happy to share. I think my biggest

issue with Kraft IS their deceptive marketing. They say their products

are made with " Real Kraft Cheese " , which is not REAL cheese at all, it

is just Kraft ingredients made into a " cheese food " . Sorry if I

stepped on any toes.