help me

[Guest guest]

This is a great scrub for every day use--I use it to take my makeup

off each night and it leaves my skin very soft. You might be right

about the environment but I'll tell ya, I'm not taking any chances.

julie : )

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> > > can anyone help me i am looking for something to make my skin

softer

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[Guest guest]

wait a minute-

if there's water in the liquid soap

if you're selling it, you'd want something to prevent

contamination,right?

and what if people dip in it with wet hands -

or are you saying that sugar prevents that???

at what %?

Willow

--- " R. Lorenti Jr. " <mlorenti@...>

wrote:

> Sounds great , but you dont need a preservative

> for that

> product. Any microorganism is incapable of living in

> that

> environment. I'll have to try it, but will have to

> make some liquid

> soap first and come up with a refreshing, soothing

> essential oil

> blend ;-) Thanks for the tip ;-)

>

> Have a great day,

> R. Lorenti Jr.

> mlorenti@...

> www.sensatia.com

>

>

> On Oct 10, 2007, at 7:37 AM, wrote:

>

> > I thought I had replied to this earlier but I must

> have hit cancel

> > instead of send. Anyhoo, I have a wonderful sugar

> scrub that I use

> > every night which leaves my skin feeling fabulous.

> It's simply equal

> > amounts of white sugar (or a little more sugar if

> you want a bit more

> > exfoliation), the oil(s) of your choice, soap (1:1

> liquid

> > soap/melt & pour soap for a thicker consistency),

> optional fragrance,

> > and

> > an appropriate amount of preservative. This scrub

> may be used from

> > head to toe--just don't get it in your eyes! Hope

> this helps.

> >

> > julie

> >

> >

> > >

> > > can anyone help me i am looking for something to

> make my skin softer

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

[Guest guest]

You are absolutely right and I should have been a bit more forceful

in my response to Mr. Lorenti about the preservative issue. If there

is the slightest opportunity for water to get into the container a

preservative MUST be used. And yes, there is water in the liquid

soap. I don't sell my products, they are for my own pesonal use and

occasionally friends and family, so I really don't want to

contaminate any of them!

julie

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> wait a minute-

> if there's water in the liquid soap

> if you're selling it, you'd want something to prevent

> contamination,right?

> and what if people dip in it with wet hands -

> or are you saying that sugar prevents that???

> at what %?

> Willow

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> --- " R. Lorenti Jr. " <mlorenti@...>

> wrote:

Any microorganism is incapable of living in

> > that

> > environment.

>

[Guest guest]

> --- " R. Lorenti Jr. " <mlorenti@..m>

> wrote:

Any microorganism is incapable of living in

> > that

> > environment.

>

OMG Ignorance can be a very dangerous thing, Or the case of a little

knowledge being a dangerous thing..ala internet " research " from a lot of places

offering false information. I have no clue where you come by yours... WHEREVER

water is present gram negative and gram positive bacteria can grow...

This is my hobby, bath and body products, I have a degree in applied

science..I assure you... you are quite mistaken.

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[Guest guest]

Hi (and all),

No need to be more forceful, hahaha. According to your first email

your mixture is sugar, oil, and liquid soap. Microorganisms cannot

live in oil or liquid soap, yes a component of liquid soap is water

but so also water is a component of battery acid, but I dont think

bacteria could live in that environment. Now, I do not know what your

container situation is, as you said, water may get back into the

container by the user and yes, that may very well be another issue

(especially if you anticipate lots of water) Bacteria would

definitely love the sugar, but my point is from experience I am sure

even the " user-induced " water will not cause a problem.

But the only way to tell for sure is to challenge test it. You can do

one test where maybe you leave a jar of it uncovered in a warm place

for a good long time and see what happens (the bathroom, steamy and

moist might be a good place). The other thing you might want to do in

an effort to avoid any unnecessary lab costs, but still want to

challenge test, is to harvest some bread mould and push it into the

product without a preservative. I am sure the mould will die. Yes, it

is a different mould but the point is to just see if a microorganism

like a mould could even survive in the product. If the mould

multiplies then yep, you need a preservative.

My point is really that I hate to see people making awesome, handmade

cosmetics, usually 100% natural, then using a synthetic preservative

that can kill a horse when most of the time not really necessary. We

try to use other methods to accomplish the same effect. Maybe instead

of sugar, you use salt. Salt is a natural preservative. I hope this

helps, sincerely,

Have a great day,

R. Lorenti Jr.

mlorenti@...

www.sensatia.com

On Oct 11, 2007, at 10:21 PM, wrote:

> You are absolutely right and I should have been a bit more forceful

> in my response to Mr. Lorenti about the preservative issue. If there

> is the slightest opportunity for water to get into the container a

> preservative MUST be used. And yes, there is water in the liquid

> soap. I don't sell my products, they are for my own pesonal use and

> occasionally friends and family, so I really don't want to

> contaminate any of them!

>

> julie

>

> *************************************************

> > wait a minute-

> > if there's water in the liquid soap

> > if you're selling it, you'd want something to prevent

> > contamination,right?

> > and what if people dip in it with wet hands -

> > or are you saying that sugar prevents that???

> > at what %?

> > Willow

> **************************************************

> > --- " R. Lorenti Jr. " <mlorenti@...>

> > wrote:

> Any microorganism is incapable of living in

> > > that

> > > environment.

>

>

>>>> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

To prevent contamination, I've seen people offer

samples dipping a popcicle stick or the like into the

sugar scrub, getting a clean one for each person.

Obviously, if you put the stick into the scrub and

then smear it on someone's hands, it defeats the whole

purpose of the stick to then put it back into the

scrub after it has touched someone's hands...

Suze, zone 6

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[Guest guest]

OMG, Mr. Lorenti, don't even get me started on that 'natural'

business. Defining 'natural' is like defining 'normal.' Normal: a

setting on a washing machine. Bacteria are 'natural,' fungi

are 'natural,' all kinds of undesirables are 'natural.' But I sure

don't want them living in my B & B products. I count as my friends some

of the best and brightest B & B makers in the universe, and to a person,

they DO NOT advocate making these products sans preservative. Period.

julie

> My point is really that I hate to see people making awesome,

handmade

> cosmetics, usually 100% natural, then using a synthetic preservative

> that can kill a horse when most of the time not really necessary. We

> try to use other methods to accomplish the same effect. Maybe

instead

> of sugar, you use salt. Salt is a natural preservative. I hope this

> helps, sincerely,

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone,

I am thinking about having the lap band done in Mexico, please send me

all information you can about your experience. What was the cost of

the whole thing? I am researching all this verses having it done in

the USA. Please advise me of all things your going through or have

been throug.

Thank You,

Deniece

[Guest guest]

Deniece:

There are many people on this board who have had the band and others who have had the sleeve. I know that you will get a lot of responses, but in the meantime, a good way to understand what the process is and what to expect is to scroll down and read as many of the past messages that you can. This will give you a broader perspective of the various reasons and people who have gone before you.

As a person who has had surgeries in the US and now Mexico, I can definitely say that the experience in Mexico was absolutely superb! The care, cost, and treatment were all done with laproscopic tools, the same as the US, but the cost is a fraction of what one can get it done for in the US.

As for safety, I liked the procedures better in Mexico. They give you better aftercare and don't throw you out as soon as you wake up. They keep you until they feel it is safe to go. In the US, you are discharged and then they ask you to make numerous appointments so that you can get the aftercare....and the blood work, Xrays, etc. are done so much faster in Mexico.

So, for safety and care, Mexico (or specifically Mexicali with Dr. Aceves) are beyond excellent.

But scroll through all of the past messages and read about the sleeve versus the band and the recovery time and expectations of each.

I wish you the best!

Warmly,

Gail

From: Deniece <kodiak_1999_47265@...>Subject: help me Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 4:53 AM

Hello everyone,I am thinking about having the lap band done in Mexico, please send me all information you can about your experience. What was the cost of the whole thing? I am researching all this verses having it done in the USA. Please advise me of all things your going through or have been throug.Thank You,Deniece

[Guest guest]

I totally agree /w/ Gail,

Robyn

help me Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 4:53 AM

Hello everyone,I am thinking about having the lap band done in Mexico, please send me all information you can about your experience. What was the cost of the whole thing? I am researching all this verses having it done in the USA. Please advise me of all things your going through or have been throug.Thank You,Deniece

[Guest guest]

>Hi Denice, (spelling?)

Dr. Acevez is awesome if you are going to Mexico definitely go to

Mexicali Bariatric Center. I too chose the lap band. I am doing

pretty well. I had it done august 19, 2008. I had a fewcomplications

with pain after for about 2 weeks (not everyone has that issue) Maybe

my diabetes just made me heal slower. I am at 1/2 the diabetes meds I

used to be and no longer on high blood pressure pills, tho I do take

my water pill daily. I have lost so far from 189 to 161 roughly

28pounds. I am on solid foods occasionally still. I still have my

protein shakes which my favorite are slim fast low carbohydrate diet,

anand fluids during day and a meal at night. I found out I can't eat

anany red meat it doesn't stay down.

I am ready for my first fill I think but the restriction I still have

just from the original surgery is still workable.

Sorry this is probably more info than you expected.

Go to Dr Aceves, enjoy your new health and body, and mind. I am

grateful to have had the lap band put on.

Thank you,

DOB 8/19/2008

189/161/135

Then/Now/Goal

> Hello everyone,

>

> I am thinking about having the lap band done in Mexico, please send

me

> all information you can about your experience. What was the cost of

> the whole thing? I am researching all this verses having it done in

> the USA. Please advise me of all things your going through or have

> been throug.

>

> Thank You,

>

> Deniece

>

[Guest guest]

Denience,

Hi there! Welcome to the group! I just returned from Mexicali after having a lap band placed per Dr. Aceves. I would be thrilled to chat with you. I had such a POSITIVE experience. I would do it all over again---400times over if needed. Please feel free to email me directly at jennorwood@... and I would be willing to answer any questions you may have. We have all been in the fact finding stage before--everyone is so generous with their time. Let me know if I can be of any assistance.

You will not regret going to Mexicali, but you will regret NOT going!

jen

From: itsleslie13 <itsleslie13@...>Subject: Re: help me Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 7:50 AM

>Hi Denice, (spelling?)Dr. Acevez is awesome if you are going to Mexico definitely go to Mexicali Bariatric Center. I too chose the lap band. I am doing pretty well. I had it done august 19, 2008. I had a fewcomplications with pain after for about 2 weeks (not everyone has that issue) Maybe my diabetes just made me heal slower. I am at 1/2 the diabetes meds I used to be and no longer on high blood pressure pills, tho I do take my water pill daily. I have lost so far from 189 to 161 roughly 28pounds. I am on solid foods occasionally still. I still have my protein shakes which my favorite are slim fast low carbohydrate diet, anand fluids during day and a meal at night. I found out I can't eat anany red meat it

doesn't stay down. I am ready for my first fill I think but the restriction I still have just from the original surgery is still workable.Sorry this is probably more info than you expected.Go to Dr Aceves, enjoy your new health and body, and mind. I am grateful to have had the lap band put on. Thank you, DOB 8/19/2008189/161/135Then/Now/Goal> Hello everyone,> > I am thinking about having the lap band done in Mexico, please send me > all information you can about your experience. What was the cost of > the whole thing? I am researching all this verses having it done in > the USA. Please advise me of all things your going through or have > been throug.> > Thank You,> > Deniece>