Re: Anyone had an appt with Dr Shoemaker?

[Guest guest]

Somebody mentioned that if you insist that the doctor to write down

in your chart that s/he is refusing what you requested for testing,

treatment, etc., the doctor will be more likely to do something,

rather than have a refusal statement in your chart, proof for a

malpractice lawsuit.

> Has anyone here seen or had an appt with Dr Shoemaker? It says on

his website:

>

> " Should you wish to use your medical insurance, you must have the

visit preauthorized by your physician. "

>

> How on earth do you get that? My doctor doesn't know a thing

about this? According to him, funguses cause no harm unless it's

stachybotra and there is a lot of it, and Fibro is all in your head

or more modern doctors think garlic will take care of it.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Somebody mentioned that if you insist that the doctor to write down

in your chart that s/he is refusing what you requested for testing,

treatment, etc., the doctor will be more likely to do something,

rather than have a refusal statement in your chart, proof for a

malpractice lawsuit.

> Has anyone here seen or had an appt with Dr Shoemaker? It says on

his website:

>

> " Should you wish to use your medical insurance, you must have the

visit preauthorized by your physician. "

>

> How on earth do you get that? My doctor doesn't know a thing

about this? According to him, funguses cause no harm unless it's

stachybotra and there is a lot of it, and Fibro is all in your head

or more modern doctors think garlic will take care of it.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's interesting Kim.

I'm pretty sure if I said that it would be last visit with the doctor but then I

probably need to keep going to new doctors until I find one who will do

something anyway.

Thanks.

Kim <kim@...> wrote:

Somebody mentioned that if you insist that the doctor to write down

in your chart that s/he is refusing what you requested for testing,

treatment, etc., the doctor will be more likely to do something,

rather than have a refusal statement in your chart, proof for a

malpractice lawsuit.

> Has anyone here seen or had an appt with Dr Shoemaker? It says on

his website:

>

> " Should you wish to use your medical insurance, you must have the

visit preauthorized by your physician. "

>

> How on earth do you get that? My doctor doesn't know a thing

about this? According to him, funguses cause no harm unless it's

stachybotra and there is a lot of it, and Fibro is all in your head

or more modern doctors think garlic will take care of it.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

That's interesting Kim.

I'm pretty sure if I said that it would be last visit with the doctor but then I

probably need to keep going to new doctors until I find one who will do

something anyway.

Thanks.

Kim <kim@...> wrote:

Somebody mentioned that if you insist that the doctor to write down

in your chart that s/he is refusing what you requested for testing,

treatment, etc., the doctor will be more likely to do something,

rather than have a refusal statement in your chart, proof for a

malpractice lawsuit.

> Has anyone here seen or had an appt with Dr Shoemaker? It says on

his website:

>

> " Should you wish to use your medical insurance, you must have the

visit preauthorized by your physician. "

>

> How on earth do you get that? My doctor doesn't know a thing

about this? According to him, funguses cause no harm unless it's

stachybotra and there is a lot of it, and Fibro is all in your head

or more modern doctors think garlic will take care of it.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

You're right - they would probably throw you out for stepping on

their ego! Doctors don't like patients researching their own

diseases for some reason. I've had doctors tell me to stop reading

about toxic mold because it's all untrue, and one said that just

because I'm sick when I'm around mold and feel better when I'm not

doesn't mean anything. He also said that he thinks I'm allergic to a

flower and developed asthma, but it's from anything but mold. Then

he said that I was talking over his head when I used the words

aspergillus and aflatoxin. This guy calls himself an environmental

specialist and he never heard of aspergillus - pretty scary!

I'm having extreme trouble finding a doctor. I've been to 9 doctors

so far with no luck. In the meantime, I'm growing breast tumors like

weeds and doctors just keep feeling me up and telling me that they

feel benign to them and that I'm too young to have breast cancer.

I'm excited for the Boston mold hearing on Thursday - hopefully I

can find a doctor while I'm there!

> > Has anyone here seen or had an appt with Dr Shoemaker? It says

on

> his website:

> >

> > " Should you wish to use your medical insurance, you must have

the

> visit preauthorized by your physician. "

> >

> > How on earth do you get that? My doctor doesn't know a thing

> about this? According to him, funguses cause no harm unless it's

> stachybotra and there is a lot of it, and Fibro is all in your

head

> or more modern doctors think garlic will take care of it.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

> This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not

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owner.

>

[Guest guest]

You're right - they would probably throw you out for stepping on

their ego! Doctors don't like patients researching their own

diseases for some reason. I've had doctors tell me to stop reading

about toxic mold because it's all untrue, and one said that just

because I'm sick when I'm around mold and feel better when I'm not

doesn't mean anything. He also said that he thinks I'm allergic to a

flower and developed asthma, but it's from anything but mold. Then

he said that I was talking over his head when I used the words

aspergillus and aflatoxin. This guy calls himself an environmental

specialist and he never heard of aspergillus - pretty scary!

I'm having extreme trouble finding a doctor. I've been to 9 doctors

so far with no luck. In the meantime, I'm growing breast tumors like

weeds and doctors just keep feeling me up and telling me that they

feel benign to them and that I'm too young to have breast cancer.

I'm excited for the Boston mold hearing on Thursday - hopefully I

can find a doctor while I'm there!

> > Has anyone here seen or had an appt with Dr Shoemaker? It says

on

> his website:

> >

> > " Should you wish to use your medical insurance, you must have

the

> visit preauthorized by your physician. "

> >

> > How on earth do you get that? My doctor doesn't know a thing

> about this? According to him, funguses cause no harm unless it's

> stachybotra and there is a lot of it, and Fibro is all in your

head

> or more modern doctors think garlic will take care of it.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

> This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not

always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are

making such material available in our efforts to advance

understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic,

democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe

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provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance

with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is

distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior

interest in receiving the included information for research and

educational purposes. For more information go to:

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copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go

beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright

owner.

>

[Guest guest]

I've told the story about my experience with Dr Rosenbaum - author

of " Solving the puzzle of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome " .

In his book, he claims that people were made ill by chemical

exposures. But when I called up one of the major players, I said that

his description sounded more like toxic mold.

He almost screamed at me " THAT'S WHAT I TOLD DR ROSENBAUM, BUT HE

TWISTED MY STORY TO FIT HIS THEORY " .

So when I went to Dr Rosenbaum in 1998, I told him ALL about Stachy

and brought a bunch of evidence. I was talking to his receptionist

who was complaining of headaches and horrible tiredness after using

her bathroom where some black mold was visible.

I laid out the whole story for both of them and left a pile of

research. The very next appointment, the receptionist assured me

that I was clearly wrong and the solution Dr Rosenbaum had told her

was to " spray bleach on it and forget it " .

As you may suspect. That was my last appointment.

-

[Guest guest]

I've told the story about my experience with Dr Rosenbaum - author

of " Solving the puzzle of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome " .

In his book, he claims that people were made ill by chemical

exposures. But when I called up one of the major players, I said that

his description sounded more like toxic mold.

He almost screamed at me " THAT'S WHAT I TOLD DR ROSENBAUM, BUT HE

TWISTED MY STORY TO FIT HIS THEORY " .

So when I went to Dr Rosenbaum in 1998, I told him ALL about Stachy

and brought a bunch of evidence. I was talking to his receptionist

who was complaining of headaches and horrible tiredness after using

her bathroom where some black mold was visible.

I laid out the whole story for both of them and left a pile of

research. The very next appointment, the receptionist assured me

that I was clearly wrong and the solution Dr Rosenbaum had told her

was to " spray bleach on it and forget it " .

As you may suspect. That was my last appointment.

-

[Guest guest]

To anyone who needs an MD for mold exposure,

If you see the wrong MD, you will not find any cure and waste money

and time while prolonging your agony. Save yourself the money and

hassle by seeing the right MD.

Dr. Shoemaker has several biomarkers (leptin, MSH, etc). He is not

giving diagnoses based on circumstantial symptons that are based on

allergies. He does not use the skin prick test because it is very

bad science. Also, blood test with ELISA testing may indicate a

patient may have had exposure 1 time or 1,000 times to a specific

agent (Stachybotrys or whatever) in the last year and/or at age 2.

I have had people email me and thank me for pointing them in Dr.

Shoemaker's direction on several occasions.

His volume of patients has risen markedly. When I met him 3 years

ago, I could actually reach him by phone or drop into his office if

I was in the Eastern Shore of land area. Now, it takes a long

time to reach him. Patients tell me it takes months to get an

appointment.

In short, Dr. Shoemaker and Dr. Ken Hudnell has started something

that some physicians and toxicologists are just starting to scratch

the surface of understanding. Pick whoever you want but, would you

let an inexperienced eye surgeon work on your eye?

Regards,

Greg Weatherman

aerobioLogical Solutions Inc.

Arlington VA 22202

gw@...

******************************************

>

> I've told the story about my experience with Dr Rosenbaum - author

> of " Solving the puzzle of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome " .

> In his book, he claims that people were made ill by chemical

> exposures. But when I called up one of the major players, I said

that

> his description sounded more like toxic mold.

> He almost screamed at me " THAT'S WHAT I TOLD DR ROSENBAUM, BUT HE

> TWISTED MY STORY TO FIT HIS THEORY " .

> So when I went to Dr Rosenbaum in 1998, I told him ALL about

Stachy

> and brought a bunch of evidence. I was talking to his receptionist

> who was complaining of headaches and horrible tiredness after

using

> her bathroom where some black mold was visible.

> I laid out the whole story for both of them and left a pile of

> research. The very next appointment, the receptionist assured me

> that I was clearly wrong and the solution Dr Rosenbaum had told

her

> was to " spray bleach on it and forget it " .

>

> As you may suspect. That was my last appointment.

> -

[Guest guest]

To anyone who needs an MD for mold exposure,

If you see the wrong MD, you will not find any cure and waste money

and time while prolonging your agony. Save yourself the money and

hassle by seeing the right MD.

Dr. Shoemaker has several biomarkers (leptin, MSH, etc). He is not

giving diagnoses based on circumstantial symptons that are based on

allergies. He does not use the skin prick test because it is very

bad science. Also, blood test with ELISA testing may indicate a

patient may have had exposure 1 time or 1,000 times to a specific

agent (Stachybotrys or whatever) in the last year and/or at age 2.

I have had people email me and thank me for pointing them in Dr.

Shoemaker's direction on several occasions.

His volume of patients has risen markedly. When I met him 3 years

ago, I could actually reach him by phone or drop into his office if

I was in the Eastern Shore of land area. Now, it takes a long

time to reach him. Patients tell me it takes months to get an

appointment.

In short, Dr. Shoemaker and Dr. Ken Hudnell has started something

that some physicians and toxicologists are just starting to scratch

the surface of understanding. Pick whoever you want but, would you

let an inexperienced eye surgeon work on your eye?

Regards,

Greg Weatherman

aerobioLogical Solutions Inc.

Arlington VA 22202

gw@...

******************************************

>

> I've told the story about my experience with Dr Rosenbaum - author

> of " Solving the puzzle of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome " .

> In his book, he claims that people were made ill by chemical

> exposures. But when I called up one of the major players, I said

that

> his description sounded more like toxic mold.

> He almost screamed at me " THAT'S WHAT I TOLD DR ROSENBAUM, BUT HE

> TWISTED MY STORY TO FIT HIS THEORY " .

> So when I went to Dr Rosenbaum in 1998, I told him ALL about

Stachy

> and brought a bunch of evidence. I was talking to his receptionist

> who was complaining of headaches and horrible tiredness after

using

> her bathroom where some black mold was visible.

> I laid out the whole story for both of them and left a pile of

> research. The very next appointment, the receptionist assured me

> that I was clearly wrong and the solution Dr Rosenbaum had told

her

> was to " spray bleach on it and forget it " .

>

> As you may suspect. That was my last appointment.

> -

[Guest guest]

Yes, Dr Shoemaker is the only doctor I've found who understood my

situation.

As I described in my post; " The Intelligence Test " , I managed to beat

CFS and MCS in a manner that is about as spectacular as it gets.

But instead of taking any interest in my story, doctors and most

surprising of all, sufferers of these very illnesses cursed me for a

liar and rejected my concept.

As we have witnessed right here on this board.

I've contacted hundreds of researchers and given them a chance to

respond to the clues. One by one, they all flunked.

Dr Shoemaker is the only doctor who " passed the Intelligence Test " .

He contacted me after hearing my story and found my information to be

accurate. I am not a patient of his, but he has confirmed my story

as described in " Desperation Medicine " ; " Surviving Chronic Fatigue

Syndrome " . The total abandonment of doctors forced me to discover

this and work out the concepts for myself. This actually turned out

for the best, because even the mold specialists have many notions

completely wrong. So I developed the strategy based on my

perceptions rather than their faulty theories.

And I'm back to working full time under conditions of exposure that I

couldn't tolerate for more than a few minutes years ago.

After the way everybody bitterly fought me over the reality of the

mold response, watching the progression of the epidemic gives me the

sense of having fallen off the boat and being forced to swim for my

life while everybody on board refused to help and yelled at me to

quit disturbing them with my screams for help, and then after years

of fighting for my life, I found a life raft.

And while I sit in my life raft and wonder why no one would listen to

me and abandoned me to drown, I have the pleasure of looking over at

the boat and seeing it sink.

Well, isn't that just too damn bad.

-

[Guest guest]

Yes, Dr Shoemaker is the only doctor I've found who understood my

situation.

As I described in my post; " The Intelligence Test " , I managed to beat

CFS and MCS in a manner that is about as spectacular as it gets.

But instead of taking any interest in my story, doctors and most

surprising of all, sufferers of these very illnesses cursed me for a

liar and rejected my concept.

As we have witnessed right here on this board.

I've contacted hundreds of researchers and given them a chance to

respond to the clues. One by one, they all flunked.

Dr Shoemaker is the only doctor who " passed the Intelligence Test " .

He contacted me after hearing my story and found my information to be

accurate. I am not a patient of his, but he has confirmed my story

as described in " Desperation Medicine " ; " Surviving Chronic Fatigue

Syndrome " . The total abandonment of doctors forced me to discover

this and work out the concepts for myself. This actually turned out

for the best, because even the mold specialists have many notions

completely wrong. So I developed the strategy based on my

perceptions rather than their faulty theories.

And I'm back to working full time under conditions of exposure that I

couldn't tolerate for more than a few minutes years ago.

After the way everybody bitterly fought me over the reality of the

mold response, watching the progression of the epidemic gives me the

sense of having fallen off the boat and being forced to swim for my

life while everybody on board refused to help and yelled at me to

quit disturbing them with my screams for help, and then after years

of fighting for my life, I found a life raft.

And while I sit in my life raft and wonder why no one would listen to

me and abandoned me to drown, I have the pleasure of looking over at

the boat and seeing it sink.

Well, isn't that just too damn bad.

-

[Guest guest]

Hi Barb,

No I haven't seen Dr. Shoemaker, but I understand your frustrations with

doctors. Prior to retirement a few years ago, I saw an allergy professor at

University of Cincinnati Medical School, and at Indiana University I saw

another allergy prof and an occupational lung disease specialist. I wish I

had then the resources available now. A particularly good one for educating

doctors was reference on the sickbuilding site recently:

http://www.epa.gov/iedweb00/pubs/hpguide.html#mycotoxins

" Indoor Air Pollution: An Introduction for Health Professionals "

Co-sponsored by: The American Lung Association (ALA), The Environmental

Protection Agency (EPA), The Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), and

The American Medical Association (AMA) U.S. Government Printing Office

Publication No. 1994-523-217/81322, 1994 [EPA 402-R-94-007, 1994]

Of particular interest for my condition were the sections on allergy and

Hypersensitivity Pneumonitis. There is a .pdf format, about 32 pages, which

you can print out and give your doc.

Gil

Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:17:19 -0800 (PST)

From: Barb <barb1283@...>

Subject: Anyone had an appt with Dr Shoemaker?

Has anyone here seen or had an appt with Dr Shoemaker? It says on his

website:

" Should you wish to use your medical insurance, you must have the visit

preauthorized by your physician. "

How on earth do you get that? My doctor doesn't know a thing about this?

According to him, funguses cause no harm unless it's stachybotra and there

is a lot of it, and Fibro is all in your head or more modern doctors think

garlic will take care of it.

[Guest guest]

Hi Barb,

No I haven't seen Dr. Shoemaker, but I understand your frustrations with

doctors. Prior to retirement a few years ago, I saw an allergy professor at

University of Cincinnati Medical School, and at Indiana University I saw

another allergy prof and an occupational lung disease specialist. I wish I

had then the resources available now. A particularly good one for educating

doctors was reference on the sickbuilding site recently:

http://www.epa.gov/iedweb00/pubs/hpguide.html#mycotoxins

" Indoor Air Pollution: An Introduction for Health Professionals "

Co-sponsored by: The American Lung Association (ALA), The Environmental

Protection Agency (EPA), The Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), and

The American Medical Association (AMA) U.S. Government Printing Office

Publication No. 1994-523-217/81322, 1994 [EPA 402-R-94-007, 1994]

Of particular interest for my condition were the sections on allergy and

Hypersensitivity Pneumonitis. There is a .pdf format, about 32 pages, which

you can print out and give your doc.

Gil

Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:17:19 -0800 (PST)

From: Barb <barb1283@...>

Subject: Anyone had an appt with Dr Shoemaker?

Has anyone here seen or had an appt with Dr Shoemaker? It says on his

website:

" Should you wish to use your medical insurance, you must have the visit

preauthorized by your physician. "

How on earth do you get that? My doctor doesn't know a thing about this?

According to him, funguses cause no harm unless it's stachybotra and there

is a lot of it, and Fibro is all in your head or more modern doctors think

garlic will take care of it.