Guest guest Posted June 13, 1999 Report Share Posted June 13, 1999 In a message dated 6/12/99 7:02:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, janemacross@... writes: << Couldn't we create a form for vaccination objectors & send them to everyone on the list who wanted them & maybe distribute them through health food stores or alternative therapists somehow? Or is this a ridiculous idea. Is this a remote possiblity? Some sort of World wide or National Group that has some sort of Choice for the Individual authority that would authenticate refusals? Doesn't anyone either have contacts or know someone who does? Jane >> Every state's statutes are different in their wording, what is allowed as an exemption and what is required. Therefore, one form would not do it for everyone and might bring attention to someone who used it and it was not complete in what their state required. Nice idea, but due to each state being different, can't be done. Cathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 1999 Report Share Posted June 14, 1999 I'm willing. Could you expound some on your idea please. Joan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 1999 Report Share Posted June 14, 1999 I like the idea Jane! What do we have to do to move forward? Any suggestions? Sherri janemacross@... wrote: > From: <janemacross@...> > > Couldn't we create a form for vaccination objectors & send them to everyone on the list who wanted them & maybe distribute them through health food stores or alternative therapists somehow? Or is this a ridiculous idea. Is this a remote possiblity? Some sort of World wide or National Group that has some sort of Choice for the Individual authority that would authenticate refusals? Doesn't anyone either have contacts or know someone who does? > Jane > > Subject: Re: Exemption Appointment > I am a school nurse in Missouri. When a parent wants to exempt their child > we have exemption forms in our health office. All they have to do is check > religious exemption and check the box that says all immunizations. No > questions asked, of course it doesn't hurt that I am completely Pro-informed > Choice! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > How many communities do you think join ONElist each week? > > More than 5,000! Create yours now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 1999 Report Share Posted June 14, 1999 The Naturopath I spoke with said that she didn't disagree with all vaccines. (At this point I do) It will be interesting when I meet her in person, to find out which ones she is ok with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 1999 Report Share Posted November 7, 1999 I would like to put this on the No2Anthrax website ... I would remove the names but the How big is your battleship line is something people need to be reminded of ... Thanks so much Lehnanne http://no2anthrax.freeservers.com Just a thought > From: & Gretta <grettajv@...> > > When I was in basic training, my MTI, SSgt Dion Combs used to always ask us > this question, but we had no clue what it meant. > > " How big is your battleship " > > On the final day of training he finally told us. > > It means, How much can you take on before you sink, before you cave in. > > Many of us have refused the vaccines and they are piling the threats and > punishments on us. Put your faith in GOD, hold your head HIGH, and stand > strong and proud. > > We are all doing the right thing. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2000 Report Share Posted July 31, 2000 Here Here well said! Walt : )) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2001 Report Share Posted September 21, 2001 Some people in Manhattan did lose their homes. I think the sock idea and the fund raisers for the Red Cross and Salvation Army are better than teddy bears, but I understand the helpless feeling that provoked this fund raiser. Last night in Savannah, the Army band (with my darling hubby) played a patriotic rally of some kind complete with fireworks. They remembered those who were lost, thanked our local firefighters and police. Several of our area firefighters have been to NY. They are one of the only local fire departments with trained cadaver dogs. NY apparently only had 6 dogs at a time. This dept. added an extra two to the search. I just wish they could have found people alive. Elaine just a thought > As I listen to the radio, and read my newsgroups, I am just a little > concerned by something. We are all feeling the need to " do something, " > however I believe we need to think a little more carefully about what we > do. I have heard of at least five " teddy bear drives " here in my area. > While the sentiment is good, i believe this might not be a productive > endeavor in this case. let me explain....this was not an event where > people lost " everything, " such as a fire, earthquake, hurricane, etc. > I'm quite sure the children who lost a parent are finding more comfort > in their own time-worn " loveys " than a " new " toy would provide. Next, > even if every person lost had three kids, which is not likely given the > average demographic of the souls lost in this tragedy, that would be > about 18,000 max, and I can tell you they have that many bears just from > the Dallas area efforts. Now multiply that by every caring community > across the US and you see it is more than enough. > > At this time of national tragedy, we also need to keep in mind there are > events, just as heartbreaking, that happen in our own communities on a > daily basis. Children lose their parents because they didn't love them > enough to stop doing drugs. Children lose their homes and everything > secure they've ever known because their parents abuse them. I can only > hope the folks who receive these massive shipments of teddy bears have > the vision to distribute them to other children, just as needy, if not > more. There is nothing wrong with making a symbolic gesture in this > chaotic time. Honor your local firefighters, they would do the same > thing for your community that FDNY is doing for theirs. Continue to > give blood AFTER the fervor has died, it's just as precious to the > family who was in an accident that was not their fault. > > I hope I haven't offended anyone, as that is truly not the intention, I > just wanted to plant a seed that will,hopefully, continue to grow in all > our generous hearts. > > Karla in Texas > > > > Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for messages to go to the sender of the message. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2001 Report Share Posted September 21, 2001 Some people in Manhattan did lose their homes. I think the sock idea and the fund raisers for the Red Cross and Salvation Army are better than teddy bears, but I understand the helpless feeling that provoked this fund raiser. Last night in Savannah, the Army band (with my darling hubby) played a patriotic rally of some kind complete with fireworks. They remembered those who were lost, thanked our local firefighters and police. Several of our area firefighters have been to NY. They are one of the only local fire departments with trained cadaver dogs. NY apparently only had 6 dogs at a time. This dept. added an extra two to the search. I just wish they could have found people alive. Elaine just a thought > As I listen to the radio, and read my newsgroups, I am just a little > concerned by something. We are all feeling the need to " do something, " > however I believe we need to think a little more carefully about what we > do. I have heard of at least five " teddy bear drives " here in my area. > While the sentiment is good, i believe this might not be a productive > endeavor in this case. let me explain....this was not an event where > people lost " everything, " such as a fire, earthquake, hurricane, etc. > I'm quite sure the children who lost a parent are finding more comfort > in their own time-worn " loveys " than a " new " toy would provide. Next, > even if every person lost had three kids, which is not likely given the > average demographic of the souls lost in this tragedy, that would be > about 18,000 max, and I can tell you they have that many bears just from > the Dallas area efforts. Now multiply that by every caring community > across the US and you see it is more than enough. > > At this time of national tragedy, we also need to keep in mind there are > events, just as heartbreaking, that happen in our own communities on a > daily basis. Children lose their parents because they didn't love them > enough to stop doing drugs. Children lose their homes and everything > secure they've ever known because their parents abuse them. I can only > hope the folks who receive these massive shipments of teddy bears have > the vision to distribute them to other children, just as needy, if not > more. There is nothing wrong with making a symbolic gesture in this > chaotic time. Honor your local firefighters, they would do the same > thing for your community that FDNY is doing for theirs. Continue to > give blood AFTER the fervor has died, it's just as precious to the > family who was in an accident that was not their fault. > > I hope I haven't offended anyone, as that is truly not the intention, I > just wanted to plant a seed that will,hopefully, continue to grow in all > our generous hearts. > > Karla in Texas > > > > Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for messages to go to the sender of the message. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 In a message dated 9/21/2001 11:10:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, collarbone@... writes: << I have heard of at least five " teddy bear drives " here in my area. While the sentiment is good, i believe this might not be a productive endeavor in this case. let me explain....this was not an event where people lost " everything, " such as a fire, earthquake, hurricane, etc. I'm quite sure the children who lost a parent are finding more comfort in their own time-worn " loveys " than a " new " toy would provide. >> Karla, I know what you're getting at, but the view's a little different from here. Maybe teddy bears, per say, are not the answer but I can tell you the kids around here sure need something. As I said in other posts, I live in an area where a lot of NYC firemen and police live. In my parish alone 85 people are missing or confirmed dead. 200 children in my small community lost a parent. I wait outside for Liam's school bus to drop him off and I see a lot of kids walk home. Their heads are down and some of them are crying. School getting out used to be a noisey, raucious occasion, but the silence is deafening. There are basketball courts down the block and I can usually hear balls bouncing on the side walk almost year round (as soon as the snow gets shoveled from the pavement in winter). But no one's playing ball. My fear is that their pain is compounded by the grief they're feeling collectively. Yes, there are counselers around but from the looks of it many of the grown-ups are still numb too. I'd like to stop some of the kids and give them a hug, but that's not appropriate. It's not the bears that anyone needs, but the thoughts behind them. Maybe cards or letters would help. They need to know that others care. Please don't anyone tell me about the poor children of Afganistan. I know that children around the world suffer, but I'm too worried about what I see around me to care right now. I got abused on the other list for not taking a more global view of things. Kathy, Liam's mom (3) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2001 Report Share Posted October 2, 2001 In a message dated 9/21/2001 11:10:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, collarbone@... writes: << I have heard of at least five " teddy bear drives " here in my area. While the sentiment is good, i believe this might not be a productive endeavor in this case. let me explain....this was not an event where people lost " everything, " such as a fire, earthquake, hurricane, etc. I'm quite sure the children who lost a parent are finding more comfort in their own time-worn " loveys " than a " new " toy would provide. >> Karla, I know what you're getting at, but the view's a little different from here. Maybe teddy bears, per say, are not the answer but I can tell you the kids around here sure need something. As I said in other posts, I live in an area where a lot of NYC firemen and police live. In my parish alone 85 people are missing or confirmed dead. 200 children in my small community lost a parent. I wait outside for Liam's school bus to drop him off and I see a lot of kids walk home. Their heads are down and some of them are crying. School getting out used to be a noisey, raucious occasion, but the silence is deafening. There are basketball courts down the block and I can usually hear balls bouncing on the side walk almost year round (as soon as the snow gets shoveled from the pavement in winter). But no one's playing ball. My fear is that their pain is compounded by the grief they're feeling collectively. Yes, there are counselers around but from the looks of it many of the grown-ups are still numb too. I'd like to stop some of the kids and give them a hug, but that's not appropriate. It's not the bears that anyone needs, but the thoughts behind them. Maybe cards or letters would help. They need to know that others care. Please don't anyone tell me about the poor children of Afganistan. I know that children around the world suffer, but I'm too worried about what I see around me to care right now. I got abused on the other list for not taking a more global view of things. Kathy, Liam's mom (3) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 I agree 100% Jen. People don't want to take responsibility for their own lives. They want pills, shots, surgeries, to take the place of good old fashioned treating your body well. I see this every day with the women I work with, and it drives me crazy! One woman, early 50s, takes 15 different medications a day!! She is at the doctors at LEAST one day a week, I kid you not. She is overweight, eats crappy food, etc. Recently she was having alot of pain in her back. She went to her MD who told her her breasts are too big, she should get a breast reduction and that would help her back strain!!!! I couldn't help it, I said, " Losing weight would reduce her breast size. Wouldn't that be a whole lot safer than having part of your body cut off?!! " Society is sooo used to popping a pill for any little symptoms that arises, never taking the time to think that their body may be trying to tell them something with those symptoms. I have talked with my sister over and over about the dangers of vaccines, and the power of homeopathy (she has 2 school-aged kids that are sick alot, fully vaxed, and take lots of OTC and prescription drugs). She said there is probably something to what I'm saying and agrees conventional medicine is probably not all it's cracked up to be, but she says she doesn't have the time to research it, so she's going to keep doing what she's doing. !!!!!!!!!! Just easier to medicate than to put some thought into being healthy. So, you're not alone in your thinking, Jen. That's what makes this list so great! Kay *********************************** My point is maybe people LIKE vaccines!! I mean, there are people that want to believe that vaccines are LIFESAVING!! They don't want to prevent or try to take care of themselves. They choose to take them even if deep inside they know there are some scary results. Changing would be too much work!! This way, they take a vaccine, and if it doesn't work they can blame SOMEONE else and NOT themselves!! YOu know what i mean. Just a thought. It seems like our society is full of it!! Thoughts? jen c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Yes I think you are right Jen, I have seen this same sort of response from people - I just can't figure it out!! People say so often " oh I went to a naturopath once but their treatment didn't work for me " - thats because the naturopath probably suggested they give up all sorts of food items in order to get well - so many people just aren't prepared to sacrifice their " comfortable " life style for good health. Oh well, one day maybe they will realise but of course by then it will be too late!! Sad isn't it!! Deb > > I just had a thought and want to share it. > > We all know many people that choose (health wise) to go their own way. The > doctors tell them to lose weight and they still eat cake at midnight. They > go back to the doctor and want to get FIXED demanding the doctor give them > SOMETHING so they can get back to their (unhealthy) lives!! Blaming the > Doctor if he can't fix them. When the fixing should have started with > them!! > > We have seen the same things with these hurricanes. The Gov. tells them > get out of town, to evacuate, etc and they chose to stay. However, when > their homes are all under water and they are scared they DEMAND to be > helped!!! Blaming Goverment for not being their for them. I mean take some > RESPONSIBLITY! > > My point is maybe people LIKE vaccines!! I mean, there are people that > want to believe that vaccines are LIFESAVING!! They don't want to prevent > or try to take care of themselves. They choose to take them even if deep > inside they know there are some scary results. Changing would be too much > work!! This way, they take a vaccine, and if it doesn't work they can blame > SOMEONE else and NOT themselves!! YOu know what i mean. Just a thought. > It seems like our society is full of it!! Thoughts? > > jen c > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 I think half the time people really don't expect the worst to happen to them or to the people around them. Perhaps I should say they don't want to really consider it, it's much easier not to. The only encouragement most people need to get the go ahead to do something is for someone else to say " Well I did it and I'm ok " or " So and so did it and they're ok... " Or in reverse (as in referance to dieting,) " I tried that and it didn't work. " or " I tried that and I didn't feel any better... " People often won't see the bigger picture even when it is staring them in the face. ~ Jowanna. > > > > I just had a thought and want to share it. > > > > We all know many people that choose (health wise) to go their own > way. The > > doctors tell them to lose weight and they still eat cake at > midnight. They > > go back to the doctor and want to get FIXED demanding the doctor > give them > > SOMETHING so they can get back to their (unhealthy) lives!! > Blaming the > > Doctor if he can't fix them. When the fixing should have started > with > > them!! > > > > We have seen the same things with these hurricanes. The Gov. > tells them > > get out of town, to evacuate, etc and they chose to stay. > However, when > > their homes are all under water and they are scared they DEMAND to > be > > helped!!! Blaming Goverment for not being their for them. I mean > take some > > RESPONSIBLITY! > > > > My point is maybe people LIKE vaccines!! I mean, there are > people that > > want to believe that vaccines are LIFESAVING!! They don't want to > prevent > > or try to take care of themselves. They choose to take them even > if deep > > inside they know there are some scary results. Changing would be > too much > > work!! This way, they take a vaccine, and if it doesn't work they > can blame > > SOMEONE else and NOT themselves!! YOu know what i mean. Just a > thought. > > It seems like our society is full of it!! Thoughts? > > > > jen c > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Changing would be too much > work!! This way, they take a vaccine, and if it doesn't work they can blame > SOMEONE else and NOT themselves!! YOu know what i mean. Just a thought. Hi Jen, I like your post. You are right, I mean, you must be. What else could it be? I often forward parents I know information about vaxing. I give them the Tenpenny DVD, I talk to them... all usually to no avail. They don't even watch the DVD, can you imagine? It blows my mind because I can't imagine how anyone could call themselves a responsible parent and not take the time to learn about what they plan to inject into their childs body. I don't get it. Then they go around and feed them all sorts of junk as if they are little trash cans... and between all the vaxing, the meds and the sugar and saturated fats... the kids get sick and the parents go around whailing " my poor child! " I feel like I'm in the twilight zone sometimes. It's so frusterating when they won't even listen to what I have to say. My friend from HS has three kids. Her oldest (7) has rheumatoid arthitis and is chronically sick. Her second (5) suffers from " unexplained " brain seizures since she was 18 mos old. Now her baby son, (1) is chronically sick with respiratory illnesses. She was telling me the other day " I can't figure out how this happens! " I wanted to scream " ARE YOU KIDDING ME YOU MORON! " But I've had this conversation with her about a bazillion times and she just 'yes's' me. It's so sad. Anyway, Yes, I think you are right. Laurette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 > > I think half the time people really don't expect the worst to happen > to them or to the people around them. Perhaps I should say they don't > want to really consider it, it's much easier not to. > The only encouragement most people need to get the go ahead to do > something is for someone else to say " Well I did it and I'm ok " > or " So and so did it and they're ok... " Yes, and even worse.... when they are not okay, they still don't see it. Like if their kid has a reaction to medicine or vax they say " oh, that's not the reason " Even when it's clear that poor little babies die from vaxes, they say " oh, no it was just sids " That one drives me nuts... the mysterious SIDS. Wonder if there is any research on how many unvaxed babies have died from this " SIDS " . Oh, speaking of which, Dr. Tenpenny mentioned on her chat last night that there is infact research on the difference in health between vaxed and unvaxed kids. She plans to post it to her website so check it out if you are interested.... Laurette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 > > Yes I think you are right Jen, I have seen this same sort of > response from people - I just can't figure it out!! People say so > often " oh I went to a naturopath once but their treatment didn't > work for me " - thats because the naturopath probably suggested they > give up all sorts of food items in order to get well - Funny, My husband is a natural wellness specialist. He runs a web business. People will call him and ask him what they should do so he makes suggestions. The suggestions always have to do with dietary changes (the business is based on the pH/Alkaline nutrition method). In many cases, these are dramatic changes (because the typical diet is very bad) Many people have that response. " Oh, that's too hard, that's too much! I need my hamburgers... I can't stop drinking coffee! " etc.. etc.. My DH always says " well, then be sick. What can I tell ya? " It's true. Nobody wants to put in the effort and if it's not a little pill that they see on TV during their favorite sitcom, then it's just not working. So sad. Laurette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Hi Deb, I completely agree with you on this, I have a very good friend who fits into this categorie. Years ago we nearly fell out over the issue of vaccination. I suggested we leave it out of our conversations so as not to fall out as we have so many other things in common. She is very, very scared of disease and her children are vaccinated with everything going. But life is too short to loose a good friend over something you disagree so we have chosen to respectfully agree to disagree. But there are times when the dangers of vaccination stand out like a sore thumb and she still won't become informed. Fear is always stronger than any common sense. It is sad that so many people live in such fear of measles, mumps rubella or even avian flu; the authorities have got them where they want them. I am just so glad that I had the chance to " wake up " when I became informed as a result of my son's eczema after his DTP Polio shots. Keep up the good thinking, I feel enriched already, even though I have only been a member of this group for a few days. Ingrid - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Hi Laurette, it is very difficult to convince people of the dangers of something you know is dangerous. I have found that simply sharing your own experience in a non provocative way often is the best way, people are more likely to think about it the less you push them. I feel very, very strongly about this issue, and like you, would love to shout the message out but I have made so many mistakes like this before and lost friends over it that I now just share my persoanl experience and say very little else. You'll be surprised how many people will actually think about what you said, just never admit it to you. It is great to have this list for people like us, I really needed a safe place to speak my mind. Ingrid - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 What is Dr. Tenpenney's website? Can you send it out to everyone? thanks, Emma Laurette <Laurette@...> wrote: > > I think half the time people really don't expect the worst to happen > to them or to the people around them. Perhaps I should say they don't > want to really consider it, it's much easier not to. > The only encouragement most people need to get the go ahead to do > something is for someone else to say " Well I did it and I'm ok " > or " So and so did it and they're ok... " Yes, and even worse.... when they are not okay, they still don't see it. Like if their kid has a reaction to medicine or vax they say " oh, that's not the reason " Even when it's clear that poor little babies die from vaxes, they say " oh, no it was just sids " That one drives me nuts... the mysterious SIDS. Wonder if there is any research on how many unvaxed babies have died from this " SIDS " . Oh, speaking of which, Dr. Tenpenny mentioned on her chat last night that there is infact research on the difference in health between vaxed and unvaxed kids. She plans to post it to her website so check it out if you are interested.... Laurette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 One of the reasons most people are willingly deceived by certain truth's, be it vaccination or anything else, is due to the persecution that comes from being a dissenter. So those that have no desire to see and hear are simply selfish, so selfish and hard-hearted that they sacrifice their own children, though proclaiming to love them. Refusing information only makes them feel more comfortable in their state of delusion. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Hi Jen this sounds like the relationship I have with a good friend of mine, you care so much for them and you have so many other things in common that you try and overlook the vaccine issue in your friendship. Until something serious happens and they have to take notice, which might not be for many, many years. I have another friend who was a nurse and strongly believed in vacciantion but then, her second daughter became developmentally delayed and has special needs after the MMR when she had a convulsion. She knew what I thought about it but we never spoke about it, it must have been just too painful for her. I don't know to this day if she had the little one jabbed again. Sometimes we need to let people make mistakes to learn, it is the only way to wisdom. Ingrid --- Carver <jenjackcarver@...> wrote: --------------------------------- " I often forward parents I know information about vaxing. I give them the Tenpenny DVD, I talk to them... all usually to no avail. They don't even watch the DVD, can you imagine? It blows my mind because I can't imagine how anyone could call themselves a responsible parent and not take the time to learn about what they plan to inject into their childs body. " Laurette Gosh i have tried this whole thing too. I just recently send out an email to my friends about Sheri's vaccine class and NO one but my best friend replied. My best friend wanted to know what decision i had come to and i sent her a long email with my reasons and things to back it up. She sent me an email joking it was just a yes or no question and she assumed i would not vaccinate. She said she was going another way and to keep her off the " list (there is no such thing) for any additional information. Gosh, it was really hurtful. I wanted to ask her what made her to decide TO vaccinate. I realized some people want to close their eyes and ears and just be LED around. They don't want to take the time to educate themselves. I know they think they are doing the best for their children but it is unbelievable that they wouldn't research BOTH sides before making such a big decision as this one. I just wrote her back and said that i respected her decision. She was raised by her mother who is an assistant (nurse) to a surgeon. She has been vaccinate and jabbed with everything out there. She is faithful to get her flu vaccine and every year she gets it anyway. I just love her so much and wish she would take the time to read, etc. Oh well, i love her any way! jen c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Hi, Add me to the list. ;-( My husband's nephew was vaccinated IMMEDIATELY after having surgery on his kidneys (hours after birth). He now has what appears to be autism. I tried to explain to my in- laws what happened to me after receiving vaccinations as an adult. I literally was knocking on death's door for about 5 months and still have not fully recovered. They thought I was a hypochondriac and malingerer. Now, their grandchild is apparently injured and they are paying attention to what his mother is saying. My husband tells me it's not my fault, but I carry the pain of feeling I should have been able to stop this from happening. I've gone through this over and over and over again. I think people are just afraid of acknowledging that we really can't trust the smoke and mirrors. That's a very hard pill to swallow. Take care, Josie > > > " I often forward parents I know information about vaxing. I give them > the Tenpenny DVD, I talk to them... all usually to no avail. They > don't even watch the DVD, can you imagine? It blows my mind because I > can't imagine how anyone could call themselves a responsible parent > and not take the time to learn about what they plan to inject into > their childs body. " > > Laurette > > Gosh > > i have tried this whole thing too. I just recently send out an email to my > friends about Sheri's vaccine class and NO one but my best friend replied. > My best friend wanted to know what decision i had come to and i sent her a > long email with my reasons and things to back it up. She sent me an email > joking it was just a yes or no question and she assumed i would not > vaccinate. She said she was going another way and to keep her off the " list > (there is no such thing) for any additional information. Gosh, it was > really hurtful. I wanted to ask her what made her to decide TO vaccinate. > I realized some people want to close their eyes and ears and just be LED > around. They don't want to take the time to educate themselves. I know > they think they are doing the best for their children but it is unbelievable > that they wouldn't research BOTH sides before making such a big decision as > this one. I just wrote her back and said that i respected her decision. > She was raised by her mother who is an assistant (nurse) to a surgeon. She > has been vaccinate and jabbed with everything out there. She is faithful to > get her flu vaccine and every year she gets it anyway. I just love her so > much and wish she would take the time to read, etc. Oh well, i love her any > way! > > jen c > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Hi Josie, isn't it sad that things like this have to happen first before people take notice? But if that's what it takes, then so be it... I have similar stories in my corner of the world and people just avoid me now, after their children have been damaged by the vaccines and I tried telling them before. It is frustrating at times. Ingrid - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 I have a dear friend with a vaccine injured son. He began having seizures soon after his toddler shots. He has since been diagnosed with Aspergers (form of autism). He's pretty severely brain damaged. I asked her about the link between his seizures and his vaccines. She got very quiet and said she's thought about it, but can't stand to think that she might have done something to cause her son such terrible harm. She said she THOUGHT she was doing what all " good " mothers do by getting him vaccinated. It was too painful for her to acknowledge that she did indeed allow the shots that damaged her baby for life. Not everyone's child has such a violent reaction to vaccines. Many are more insidious and don't show up until years later as some chronic illness. But we never know. It's a game of Russian Roulette when we allow our children to be injected with such foreign and toxic substances. A repairman was at our house recently and mentioned 2 of his 3 young children are insulin dependant diabetics. They are 3 and 5 years old!!! I asked him if he knew about the link between juvenile diabetes and vaccines. Of course he had never heard of that. The same week another repairman was in our home and said he has a 13 year old autistic son. We live in a rural community and to have 2 repairmen in our home in the same week with chronically ill children... What a sad testimony. We're trading our fear of measles, mumps and chicken pox etc. for lifelong chronic diseases in our children. I'd MUCH rather deal with my child having a childhood illness, and using homeopathy to treat it than risk them having diabetes, asthma, cancer, seizures, MS, autism, or even death. Kay Re: just a thought Hi Jen this sounds like the relationship I have with a good friend of mine, you care so much for them and you have so many other things in common that you try and overlook the vaccine issue in your friendship. Until something serious happens and they have to take notice, which might not be for many, many years. I have another friend who was a nurse and strongly believed in vacciantion but then, her second daughter became developmentally delayed and has special needs after the MMR when she had a convulsion. She knew what I thought about it but we never spoke about it, it must have been just too painful for her. I don't know to this day if she had the little one jabbed again. Sometimes we need to let people make mistakes to learn, it is the only way to wisdom. Ingrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Hi Kay, what a sad story. I think people sometimes would rathre accept the reactions to a vaccine than to take responsbility. It makes it so much easier to cope with the outcome. I think sometimes people feel betrayed aswell by the Health Pros. but still choose to just accept this than to spend time investigating. " Common sense is as good as a coffee on the moon " one of my favourite quotes. Ingrid --- KPhilpot <KPhilpot@...> wrote: --------------------------------- I have a dear friend with a vaccine injured son. He began having seizures soon after his toddler shots. He has since been diagnosed with Aspergers (form of autism). He's pretty severely brain damaged. I asked her about the link between his seizures and his vaccines. She got very quiet and said she's thought about it, but can't stand to think that she might have done something to cause her son such terrible harm. She said she THOUGHT she was doing what all " good " mothers do by getting him vaccinated. It was too painful for her to acknowledge that she did indeed allow the shots that damaged her baby for life. Not everyone's child has such a violent reaction to vaccines. Many are more insidious and don't show up until years later as some chronic illness. But we never know. It's a game of Russian Roulette when we allow our children to be injected with such foreign and toxic substances. A repairman was at our house recently and mentioned 2 of his 3 young children are insulin dependant diabetics. They are 3 and 5 years old!!! I asked him if he knew about the link between juvenile diabetes and vaccines. Of course he had never heard of that. The same week another repairman was in our home and said he has a 13 year old autistic son. We live in a rural community and to have 2 repairmen in our home in the same week with chronically ill children... What a sad testimony. We're trading our fear of measles, mumps and chicken pox etc. for lifelong chronic diseases in our children. I'd MUCH rather deal with my child having a childhood illness, and using homeopathy to treat it than risk them having diabetes, asthma, cancer, seizures, MS, autism, or even death. Kay Re: just a thought Hi Jen this sounds like the relationship I have with a good friend of mine, you care so much for them and you have so many other things in common that you try and overlook the vaccine issue in your friendship. Until something serious happens and they have to take notice, which might not be for many, many years. I have another friend who was a nurse and strongly believed in vacciantion but then, her second daughter became developmentally delayed and has special needs after the MMR when she had a convulsion. She knew what I thought about it but we never spoke about it, it must have been just too painful for her. I don't know to this day if she had the little one jabbed again. Sometimes we need to let people make mistakes to learn, it is the only way to wisdom. Ingrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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