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JUST DO IT!!!lftbhnd007 <lilibit007@...> wrote: One of the Kennedys in washington DC Rep Kennedy just made a plea aggreement to have random tests done as part of his being arrested for prescription drugs and driving..maybe we could write his office, dont know if hes getting etg but its worth a try..The Kennedys are a good shot for us. __________________________________________________

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Hello Adam, my name is Joyce and I do not post very often, but I read the posts and you have just hit on a given. I am a retired nurse who has dealt with depression for 29 yrs.....the length of time my husband and I have been married. I have been through all the ups and downs of his depression and it is genetic.....of our three grown children only my daughter is also affected, the good news is, it is treatable with meds, but you are correct that there are many stigmatisms associated with depression [sadly] ....as are many diseases that GQ public either does not want to deal with or hear about or offer their own uninformed solutions to [some are quite laughable I must say] I have severe inoperable crohn's disease as well well other autoimmune disorders that no one else in my family has ever had. So needless to say I have heard all the advice both good, and out in left field and what I have learned is

that they will listen and ask questions or they will argue, or in rare cases will offer legitimate comments.....I guess what I am saying is that you can educate the ignorant but not the assinine..Joyce Adam Wilder <bermudatriangle1793@...> wrote: I would like to take the time out to simply post the following as, I've noticed these days. One of the weirdest of realities I've observed

these days in society is often how people with Depression like myself and anyone else here in the group often face a great amount of negative stereotypes that are created from false perceptions of what Depression is and is not...Honestly, I may have inherited the genetic potential towards developing Depression yet, this does not mean everyone else in the world has to act callous or insincere just cause, there are difficulties that may not be present in another human being nor should people be made to feel in-human for whatever makes herself/himself as a person... These days, I try to

learn a great deal about things whether in regards to Asperger Syndrome and the whole Autistic Spectrum or merely reading about a favorite video game that is often played via my average computer gaming self. In other words Honestly whenever I read or intently learn of something or someone too I do it in a most kindhearted & caring manner whereby, I don't make the mistake of neither offending nor appearing stupid in some people's eyes... Before I go, Angelbear,,,April,etc thanks for making this group a most serene place to share your thoughts,feelings,ideas,etc on caring

for a loved on with adversity or yourself... Adam "My time in this land has made me harsh and rude. I did not mean to insult you." The Samurai

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i couldn't agree with you more, Adam. too many people are so rude- when driving,

or just

being. i dont understand- it's mostly young people too, i find older people much

nicer. it

seems that chasing the idols of looks, money and power are corrupting a whole

generation- television and media are to blame, commercialism. i hope they find

this is

false gods.

i may exaggerate, but on the surface, it seems that way. maybe rudeness is just

a cover.

bit by bit we have to chip away at the marble to reveal a beautiful statue, and

bit by bit we

must chip away at hardness within to keep ourselves beautiful as well.

>

>

> I would like to take the time out to simply post the following as,

> I've noticed these days. One of the weirdest of realities I've

> observed these days in society is often how people with

> Depression like myself and anyone else here in the group often face

> a great amount of negative stereotypes that are created from

> false perceptions of what Depression is and is not...Honestly, I

> may have inherited the genetic potential towards developing

> Depression yet, this does not mean everyone else in the world has

> to act callous or insincere just cause, there are difficulties

> that may not be present in another human being nor should people

> be made to feel in-human for whatever makes herself/himself as a

> person...

>

>

>

> These days, I try to learn a great deal about things whether in

> regards to Asperger Syndrome and the whole Autistic Spectrum or

> merely reading about a favorite video game that is often played

> via my average computer gaming self. In other words Honestly

> whenever I read or intently learn of something or someone too I

> do it in a most kindhearted & caring manner whereby, I don't make

> the mistake of neither offending nor appearing stupid in some

> people's eyes...

>

> Before I go, Angelbear,,,April,etc thanks for making

> this group a most serene place to share your

> thoughts,feelings,ideas,etc on caring for a loved on with

> adversity or yourself...

>

>

>

> Adam [:-B]

>

> " My time in this land has made me harsh and rude. I did not mean to

> insult you. "

>

> [] The Samurai []

>

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you sound like such an incredibly sweet person. i have a horrible horrible depression problem. there aren't many people that are supportive. most people just think it is something that can simply be snapped out of, or if at work i am having a bad day no one seems to want to go the extra mile to help me out. jus wanted you to know that i enjoy your posts. evelyn I would like to take the time out to simply post the following

as, I've noticed these days. One of the weirdest of realities I've observed these days in society is often how people with Depression like myself and anyone else here in the group often face a great amount of negative stereotypes that are created from false perceptions of what Depression is and is not...Honestly, I may have inherited the genetic potential towards developing Depression yet, this does not mean everyone else in the world has to act callous or insincere just cause, there are difficulties that may not be present in another human being nor should people be made to feel

in-human for whatever makes herself/himself as a person... These days, I try to learn a great deal about things whether in regards to Asperger Syndrome and the whole Autistic Spectrum or merely reading about a favorite video game that is often played via my average computer gaming self. In other words Honestly whenever I read or intently learn of something or someone too I do it in a most kindhearted & caring manner whereby, I don't make the mistake of neither offending nor appearing stupid in some people's eyes... Before I go, Angelbear,,,April,etc thanks for making

this group a most serene place to share your thoughts,feelings,ideas,etc on caring for a loved on with adversity or yourself... Adam "My time in this land has made me harsh and rude. I did not mean to insult you." The Samurai

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i am having a hard time trying to snap out of suicide thinking some days.

i have my kids and dh to ground me, though sometimes the stuff i am into is so strong that.........

it is like it is wrong but i know you all feel the same frustration, the sick and tired and sick and tired of being sick.

melissa

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Try 1-800-SUICIDE. Thats the number I found for THE NATIONAL SUICIDE HOTLINE. SueGranada Family <robert_g54463@...> wrote: i am having a hard time trying to snap out of suicide thinking some days. i have my kids and dh to ground me, though sometimes the stuff i am into is so strong that......... it is like it is wrong but i know you all feel the same frustration, the sick and tired and sick and tired of being sick. melissa For a REALLY HOT time check out http://www.peternoone.com and http://www.mikesmith1964.com

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am afraid if i call they will report

and then i have cops at my door like i did one time just posting on a

message board and i didn't even mention it right.

i was trying to say injuring myself with FOOD but i don't know if anyone

understood that

thank you,

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I'm on HCG. I love reading everyone's experiences. I thought everyone would like to look at all sides of what they are doing. Thought everyone would be interested in KT's past, so everyone could make an educated decision about his protocol. I like looking at all sides of the issue. I've bought his last two books, really didn't think much about that until I remember the Atkins Diet, then I thought I'd look him up. Thought it was good information.

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I have to agree with you. When you see KT on TV he touts that you can only get his book for $29.95 from his site. I got it from Amazon for $17, but I am just like you in that I used hcg 18 years ago and was so happy to hear about it again that I didn't care about his sales. I got the book for information. I was happy with the information and references he provides. Just like we were talking about in earlier posts......we are consumers to Doctors and to KT. Get the information then do your own research. We are responsible to and for ourselves!tinasue39@... wrote: Click here: Trudeau I think everyone should read this. Yesterday I remembered Trudeau on TV selling the Atkins Diet Program, I got uncomfortable about this and starting looking on the Internet about Trudeau. Again, I believe in HCG, I'm the greatest advertisement for it, 30 years ago I lost 30 pounds, now at 55 I'm thrilled to be on it again and best of all doing it without a clinic. I'm in sales, so I'm skeptical, I have worked with salespeople that made me believe, something, I knew wasn't true....some people have a gift for sales, not always truthful but remember that old saying they could sell refrigerators to Eskimos....let's all be educated and remember KT is SELLING. There is lots more info on KT on

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WHY R U ON THIS SITE REALLY?!tinasue39@... wrote: Click here: Trudeau I think everyone should read this. Yesterday I remembered Trudeau on TV selling the Atkins Diet Program, I got uncomfortable about this and starting looking on the Internet about Trudeau. Again, I believe in HCG, I'm the greatest advertisement for it, 30 years ago I lost 30 pounds, now at 55 I'm thrilled to

be on it again and best of all doing it without a clinic. I'm in sales, so I'm skeptical, I have worked with salespeople that made me believe, something, I knew wasn't true....some people have a gift for sales, not always truthful but remember that old saying they could sell refrigerators to Eskimos....let's all be educated and remember KT is SELLING. There is lots more info on KT on the Internet, this looked like a reliable source. See what's free at AOL.com.

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I believe KT spoke about this somewhere....at the TIME that he was promoting

Atkins Diet he had no knowledge of this hcg program. He did the atkins and lost

weight but if you happen to catch one of those older infomercials he did not

look (skin etc) as good. and he gained the weight back (because it did not

correct the underlying issue the hypothalmus) To see him now...his skin and

shape...he looks way better!

---- Sharon Woolfolk <shewoolf54@...> wrote:

> WHY R U ON THIS SITE REALLY?!

>

> tinasue39@... wrote: Click here: Trudeau I think

everyone should read this. Yesterday I remembered Trudeau on TV selling

the Atkins Diet Program, I got uncomfortable about this and starting looking on

the Internet about Trudeau. Again, I believe in HCG, I'm the greatest

advertisement for it, 30 years ago I lost 30 pounds, now at 55 I'm thrilled to

be on it again and best of all doing it without a clinic. I'm in sales, so I'm

skeptical, I have worked with salespeople that made me believe, something, I

knew wasn't true....some people have a gift for sales, not always truthful but

remember that old saying they could sell refrigerators to Eskimos....let's all

be educated and remember KT is SELLING. There is lots more info on KT on the

Internet, this looked like a reliable source.

>

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I have to agree with tinasue39! If you have read his books, you will see he is....well....he is a consumate SALESMAN.

I wish I could hug all the people are so caught up in things like mascara and organic stuff from phase 1 and his recommendations, and let you know that you don't need to worry so much. I actually have lived much of phase 1, doing organic meat and food for years, cleansing etc. and am still fat, starting at #260 and on day 14 #246. Organic IS better for you and I will keep using is as I can, but you will loose weight whether it is organic or not. Look at all the places that have helped people loose weight without phase 1. YES, phase 1 is wonderful and you will be healthier, but you will loose weight without it. Do what you can and ask questions and research why something is recommended or to avoid. Keep your eye on "Pounds and Inches" as the 'bible' of the protocol.

It is important to seperate from Simeon. It soooo important to be informed. However.......I will always send him my best wishes because he is awakening lots of people take care of themselves and I'M LOOSING WEIGHT!!!!

Kisses to the salesman Tudeau!!!

Judy

p.s. I'm finding Costco is carrying more and more organic. Yay!

>WHY R U ON THIS SITE REALLY?!

>

>tinasue39@... wrote: Click here: Trudeau I think everyone should read this. Yesterday I remembered Trudeau on TV selling the Atkins Diet Program, I got uncomfortable about this and starting looking on the Internet about Trudeau. Again, I believe in HCG, I'm the greatest advertisement for it, 30 years ago I lost 30 pounds, now at 55 I'm thrilled to be on it again and best of all doing it without a clinic. I'm in sales, so I'm skeptical, I have worked with salespeople that made me believe, something, I knew wasn't true....some people have a gift for sales, not always truthful but remember that old saying they could sell refrigerators to Eskimos....let's all be educated and remember KT is SELLING. There is lots more info on KT on the Internet, this looked like a reliable source.

>

>

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Thank you Judy. I know how people can get caught up in KT instead of Simeon who actually did the work. KT found it and I appreciate him making it available to the masses through his book. I was using this protocal 18 years ago, but have not been able to find hcg in years. He gets the credit for the spreading of the word, but not the word. Judy <gentle_care@...> wrote: I have to agree with

tinasue39! If you have read his books, you will see he is....well....he is a consumate SALESMAN. I wish I could hug all the people are so caught up in things like mascara and organic stuff from phase 1 and his recommendations, and let you know that you don't need to worry so much. I actually have lived much of phase 1, doing organic meat and food for years, cleansing etc. and am still fat, starting at #260 and on day 14 #246. Organic IS better for you and I will keep using is as I can, but you will loose weight whether it is organic or not. Look at all the places that have helped people loose weight without phase 1. YES, phase 1 is wonderful and you will be healthier, but you will loose weight without

it. Do what you can and ask questions and research why something is recommended or to avoid. Keep your eye on "Pounds and Inches" as the 'bible' of the protocol. It is important to seperate from Simeon. It soooo important to be informed. However.......I will always send him my best wishes because he is awakening lots of people take care of themselves and I'M LOOSING WEIGHT!!!! Kisses to the salesman Tudeau!!! Judy p.s.

I'm finding Costco is carrying more and more organic. Yay! >WHY R U ON THIS SITE REALLY?! > >tinasue39aol wrote: Click here: Trudeau I think everyone should read this. Yesterday I remembered Trudeau on TV selling the Atkins Diet Program, I got uncomfortable about this and starting looking on the Internet about Trudeau. Again, I believe in HCG, I'm the greatest advertisement for it, 30 years ago I lost 30 pounds, now at 55 I'm thrilled to be on it again and best of all doing it without a clinic. I'm in sales, so I'm skeptical, I have worked with salespeople that made me believe, something, I knew wasn't true....some people have a gift for sales, not always truthful but remember that old saying they could sell refrigerators to

Eskimos....let's all be educated and remember KT is SELLING. There is lots more info on KT on the Internet, this looked like a reliable source. > >

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I found that out too I just bought some cereal I get from Wholefoods. I also found some items from Von's Mkt too. Many of the big food chains are starting to carry many organic products. I must confess that I'm using some " natural products" as well I started on April 20th at 203 I now weigh 172lbs my goal is 145lbs.Judy <gentle_care@...> wrote: I have to agree with

tinasue39! If you have read his books, you will see he is....well....he is a consumate SALESMAN. I wish I could hug all the people are so caught up in things like mascara and organic stuff from phase 1 and his recommendations, and let you know that you don't need to worry so much. I actually have lived much of phase 1, doing organic meat and food for years, cleansing etc. and am still fat, starting at #260 and on day 14 #246. Organic IS better for you and I will keep using is as I can, but you will loose weight whether it is organic or not. Look at all the places that have helped people loose weight without phase 1. YES, phase 1 is wonderful and you will be healthier, but you will loose weight without it. Do

what you can and ask questions and research why something is recommended or to avoid. Keep your eye on "Pounds and Inches" as the 'bible' of the protocol. It is important to seperate from Simeon. It soooo important to be informed. However.......I will always send him my best wishes because he is awakening lots of people take care of themselves and I'M LOOSING WEIGHT!!!! Kisses to the salesman Tudeau!!! Judy p.s. I'm finding Costco is carrying more

and more organic. Yay! >WHY R U ON THIS SITE REALLY?! > >tinasue39aol wrote: Click here: Trudeau I think everyone should read this. Yesterday I remembered Trudeau on TV selling the Atkins Diet Program, I got uncomfortable about this and starting looking on the Internet about Trudeau. Again, I believe in HCG, I'm the greatest advertisement for it, 30 years ago I lost 30 pounds, now at 55 I'm thrilled to be on it again and best of all doing it without a clinic. I'm in sales, so I'm skeptical, I have worked with salespeople that made me believe, something, I knew wasn't true....some people have a gift for sales, not always truthful but remember that old saying they could sell refrigerators to Eskimos....let's all be educated and

remember KT is SELLING. There is lots more info on KT on the Internet, this looked like a reliable source. > >

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I think the person who commented on Trudeau is on this site for the same reason we are all here. There is nothing wrong with investigating ones information. It would be foolish not to, especially when injecting oneself with something. If one doesn't already know Trudeau's history, all they have to do is to google his name and the word fraud or scam. They'll get at least 104,000 hits. He's no stranger to the courtroom and is a convicted felon. He's done jail time for credit card fraud, been sued by state consumer protection boards and so on. Here, he basically stole Dr. Simeon's information from the early 1950's. Do I care???? ABSOLUTELY NOT. I'm happy he put it out there again for us to see and make our decisions cautiously and accordingly. There have been deaths in the past following this protocol. I would not know that either w/o ongoing research. That

said, I think everyone using HCG has a right to be here and provide input. This site was put up for support and research purposes. I'm excited to be receiving my order soon. I, for one, can't wait to get back on my program. Have a great day!

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May I ask where you ordered yours from?p squire <rockergrrrrl@...> wrote: I think the person who commented on Trudeau is on this site for the same reason we are all here. There is nothing wrong with investigating ones information. It would be foolish not to, especially when injecting oneself with something. If one doesn't already know Trudeau's history, all they have to do is to google his name and the word fraud or scam. They'll get at least 104,000 hits. He's no

stranger to the courtroom and is a convicted felon. He's done jail time for credit card fraud, been sued by state consumer protection boards and so on. Here, he basically stole Dr. Simeon's information from the early 1950's. Do I care???? ABSOLUTELY NOT. I'm happy he put it out there again for us to see and make our decisions cautiously and accordingly. There have been deaths in the past following this protocol. I would not know that either w/o ongoing research. That said, I think everyone using HCG has a right to be here and provide input. This site was put up for support and research purposes. I'm excited to be receiving my order soon. I, for one, can't wait to get back on my program. Have a great day! Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.Visit the Auto Green Center.

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rockergrrrrl

Can you please explain further and maybe provide a link concerning

your comment that....

" There have been deaths in the past following this protocol. I would

not know that either w/o ongoing research. "

I have not found anything to that effect, so would like to know where

to find that information. If there is real risk of death, I would

like to read about it.

Thanks!

>

> I think the person who commented on Trudeau is on this site for the

same reason we are all here. There is nothing wrong with

investigating ones information. It would be foolish not to,

especially when injecting oneself with something.

>

> If one doesn't already know Trudeau's history, all they have to

do is to google his name and the word fraud or scam. They'll get at

least 104,000 hits. He's no stranger to the courtroom and is a

convicted felon. He's done jail time for credit card fraud, been sued

by state consumer protection boards and so on. Here, he basically

stole Dr. Simeon's information from the early 1950's. Do I care????

ABSOLUTELY NOT. I'm happy he put it out there again for us to see and

make our decisions cautiously and accordingly. There have been

deaths in the past following this protocol. I would not know that

either w/o ongoing research.

>

> That said, I think everyone using HCG has a right to be here and

provide input. This site was put up for support and research purposes.

>

> I'm excited to be receiving my order soon. I, for one, can't wait

to get back on my program.

>

> Have a great day!

>

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> I think the person who commented on Trudeau is on this site for

the same reason we are all here. There is nothing wrong with

investigating ones information. It would be foolish not to,

especially when injecting oneself with something.

>

> If one doesn't already know Trudeau's history, all they have to

do is to google his name and the word fraud or scam. They'll get at

least 104,000 hits. He's no stranger to the courtroom and is a

convicted felon. He's done jail time for credit card fraud, been

sued by state consumer protection boards and so on. Here, he

basically stole Dr. Simeon's information from the early 1950's. Do I

care???? ABSOLUTELY NOT. I'm happy he put it out there again for us

to see and make our decisions cautiously and accordingly. There

have been deaths in the past following this protocol. I would not

know that either w/o ongoing research.

>

> That said, I think everyone using HCG has a right to be here

and provide input. This site was put up for support and research

purposes.

>

> I'm excited to be receiving my order soon. I, for one, can't

wait to get back on my program.

>

> Have a great day!

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I'll try to find some sites and provide them tomorrow if I have

time. I started my research back in January and made my decision to

go for it shortly thereafter (on my terms....not KT's). Please know

I didn't mean to frighten you or anyone else here. We are all in

this together. I was just trying to make a point how important

reaseach is. It is the only way we can make informed decisions for

ourselves.

In the meantime, you might want to google Simeon's Protocol/HCG. I

think that's how I found them. I just found two links that way:

http://www.ahealthyme.com/topic/dietscams and

http://www.myonlinewellness.com/topic/dietscams.

I found the same info provided on some gov. sites. I'll get back

with links if I can find them again. I just tried quickly and got

MANY more hits now then back in Jan. The first article references

other sources you can try as well. Anyway, the articles related

that about 55 people died in the 50's using the protocol after a

write-up in Good Housekeeping or Harper's Bazaar (don't remember

which). I suspect it might have had more to do with the diet than

HCG itself although some say it literally " cooked organs " when used

in high amounts. (I remember reading about something in the 1920's

also). HCG was then banned for use with respect to weight loss ONLY

(not its other use). The articles went on to say how HCG for weight

loss resurfaces every decade or so. People make money then it dies

off. I found only a small amount documentation to back that up and

decided to use HCG anyway.

Other 500 calorie diets have been banned, as well. I know for fact

that medifast will no longer provide their 470 cal. diet because of

deaths and other health issues. They now only provide a diet over

900 cals. Some HCG books state the HCG is added calories. I have not

made my own conclusion on that yet.

PLEASE KNOW the above information was provided as research only.

Please make your own, informed choices.

Best,

Patti

> >

> > I think the person who commented on Trudeau is on this site for

the

> same reason we are all here. There is nothing wrong with

> investigating ones information. It would be foolish not to,

> especially when injecting oneself with something.

> >

> > If one doesn't already know Trudeau's history, all they have

to

> do is to google his name and the word fraud or scam. They'll get

at

> least 104,000 hits. He's no stranger to the courtroom and is a

> convicted felon. He's done jail time for credit card fraud, been

sued

> by state consumer protection boards and so on. Here, he basically

> stole Dr. Simeon's information from the early 1950's. Do I

care????

> ABSOLUTELY NOT. I'm happy he put it out there again for us to see

and

> make our decisions cautiously and accordingly. There have been

> deaths in the past following this protocol. I would not know that

> either w/o ongoing research.

> >

> > That said, I think everyone using HCG has a right to be here

and

> provide input. This site was put up for support and research

purposes.

> >

> > I'm excited to be receiving my order soon. I, for one, can't

wait

> to get back on my program.

> >

> > Have a great day!

> >

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Yes, Tina, KT originally stated he lost the weight via the Atkins

Diet Program.

, Sharon Woolfolk <shewoolf54@...> wrote:

>

> WHY R U ON THIS SITE REALLY?!

>

> tinasue39@... wrote: Click here: Trudeau I

think everyone should read this. Yesterday I remembered

Trudeau on TV selling the Atkins Diet Program, I got uncomfortable

about this and starting looking on the Internet about

Trudeau. Again, I believe in HCG, I'm the greatest advertisement

for it, 30 years ago I lost 30 pounds, now at 55 I'm thrilled to be

on it again and best of all doing it without a clinic. I'm in

sales, so I'm skeptical, I have worked with salespeople that made me

believe, something, I knew wasn't true....some people have a gift

for sales, not always truthful but remember that old saying they

could sell refrigerators to Eskimos....let's all be educated and

remember KT is SELLING. There is lots more info on KT on the

Internet, this looked like a reliable source.

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Search AHealthyMe! Personalize AHealthyMe! Sign up for our Newsletter! Ten Pounds in Ten Days A Sampler of Diet Scams and Abuse By Fraser Diet fraud has a long history in the United States, full of colorful American character types: confidence men, hucksters, shady doctors and fly-by-night entrepreneurs. People have been peddling phony weight loss elixirs since before the turn of the century. No sooner had fashion declared that women should be thin than advertisements appeared in magazines proclaiming quick weight loss cures. "Weigh what you should weigh!" advised one 1896 ad for a diet remedy, "Get Rid of Fat!" Some of the early promoters, uncertain about whether losing weight was necessarily going to be very popular for long, hedged their bets by advertising that their products would either help you add weight or reduce, depending on what you needed. A few of the early diet preparations were quite dangerous, especially Marmola, Corpulin, and Kellogg's Safe Fat Reducer, which

contained thyroid. Physicians also prescribed thyroid, a drug derived from animal glands that can stoke the body's furnace so high it starts to burn up vital organs. Woods Hutchinson, a medical professor who wrote for women's magazines such as Cosmopolitan, wrote in 1894 that physicians didn't have any idea how thyroid, often prescribed with potassium (and sometimes arsenic), worked: "Both cause, in some curious manner which we do not as yet understand, such an interference with the normal metabolism of the body as to cause the burning up and elimination of considerable amounts of body fat." But, Hutchinson noted, if patients lost more than ten percent of their body weight -- the "movable ten percent," he called it -- the results would be injurious. "The appetite becomes impaired, the sleep broken, and the heart's action irregular." If prolonged, the drug would set up a "serious and obstinate disturbance of the nervous system, and

particularly of the nerves controlling the heart, accompanied by palpitation, sweating, weakness, and intense nervousness." Other early diet preparations contained strong laxatives or purgatives, or arsenic and strychnine. Most, however, consisted of simple washing soda, Epsom salts, or other innocuous ingredients. By 1914, Good Housekeeping printed an exposé on obesity cures, "Swindled Getting Slim." Written by Harvey Wiley and Anne Pierce, the muckraking article could have been written today. "As the rage for slimness grows apace, with apparently no limit in sight, the number, audacity, and unadulterated foolishness of the alleged obesity-cures and flesh-reducers keeps step with the demand," they wrote. "Some are merely picturesque and amusing; some are dangerous; all are misleading, and no little ingenuity is shown in presenting simple old-time frauds under new names and new auspices, with marvelous scientific explanations as

to how they work, and new assurances of harmlessness and effectiveness." In their article, Wiley and Pierce described the techniques, some of which are still used today, that diet hucksters used to sell their products and escape the scrutiny of regulatory agencies. A few products, such as Manhattanite Downs' "Get Slim," which contained pink lemonade, were outright fraud. Others, such as Berledet tablets, claimed their products "makes you thin without dieting," with the caveat in small print that the user should avoid all fatty foods and take long walks every day. Others took a multi-faceted approach to weight loss, such as Marjorie Hamilton's Quadruple Combination, which combined recommendations for enemas, long walks, exercise, no liquids at meals, and no white bread, pastry, or potatoes with instructions on daily use of the diet powder, which turned out to be ordinary bath powder (you bathed in it, rather than ate it). A few diet remedies contained some of the same herbs used in contemporary herbal formulas such as Herbalife. In 1921, for instance, the American Medical Association's compendium Nostrums and Quackery listed bladderwrack, kelp, and poke-berry as common ingredients in obesity cures. "There seems to be no explanation for the popularity of this species of seaweed as a remedy for obesity," the authors wrote about bladderwrack. "In fact, it is said that this particular seaweed is used in some localities as a food for hogs in the belief that it makes the animals fat!" Diet quacks used the mails to sell obesity cures, moving from state to state after being indicted for fraud, or simply changing the name of their cure to launch a new ad campaign. One particularly enterprising man, Walter Cunningham, purveyor of Marjorie Hamilton's Obesity Cure, frequently changed his state, obesity remedy, and wives. After having

been jailed in Minneapolis for fraudulent real estate deals in 1906, Cunningham moved to New York, where he sold mail-order beauty creams under his wife's name. In 1909, he transferred to Chicago, sold the Cunningham bust-developer and wrinkle-eradicator, then, after some legal trouble, changed the name of the products to "Della Carson." In 1911, he divorced his wife, married Marjorie Hamilton, and sold the Marjorie Hamilton mail-order fat reducer. When that received bad publicity, he promoted the Texas Guinan fat reducer. In the testimonial ads, Texas Guinan distinguished her product from previous "frauds," which the public never knew were sold by the same company. "It is not like the Marjorie Hamilton treatment --as absolutely different as day from night," Guinan advertised. As they do today, turn-of-the-century diet aid promoters took advantage of the frustration people felt toward the medical establishment for failing to come

up with an effective treatment for obesity. Actress-turned-diet promoter Texas Guinan ("I was a sight in tights at 204 pounds!") and others ridiculed physicians' treatments in order to sell more of their own products. Guinan--whose cure, for $20, consisted of a solution of water, alcohol and alum, along with the advice to take a hot tub twice a day, and avoid bread, potatoes, sweets, and starchy foods--described how she squandered her money "trying the various fat-reducing treatments so heavily advertised by charlatans of the American Medical Association." Like diet guru Powter today, who rails against "the boys at the AMA," Guinan didn't mince words about doctors to would-be weight reducers. "Tell the quack AMA doctors and specialists to go hang," she advised her followers. Many of those quack doctors were busy selling their own, often more dangerous, diet cures. One of the early ones was dinitrophenol, the first synthetic drug

used for weight reduction. During World War I, observers noted that fat men who worked in munitions plants and came in contact with the chemical lost a substantial amount of weight. After the war, physicians lost no time in prescribing it to dieters. Dinitrophenol, which is still used as a powerful insecticide and herbicide, is a metabolic poison that is toxic to all forms of higher life. In humans, it speeds up the metabolic rate until eventually the body burns itself up. By 1935, over 100,000 Americans had taken this drug, advertised in newspapers and magazines as a "new and safe way to lose weight." It wasn't long before severe side effects and fatalities were reported. Twelve women in the San Francisco Bay Area had been temporarily blinded by the drug, prompting the dean of Stanford University's Medical School to condemn its use. One physician who experimented with a large dose of dinitrophenol was, as writer Carl Malmberg put it,

"literally cooked to death." By 1938, dinitrophenol had largely been discarded because of its ill effects, and the AMA announced it would withhold its approval of the drug. Another strange obesity cure that was popular among physicians for a time was human chorionic gonadotropin (HGC), a type of growth hormone that was injected into patients. This treatment became popular in 1957, when Harper's Bazaar printed a diet -- "Slimming: A Roman Doctor's Treatment" -- that consisted of 500 calories a day for up to forty days, plus daily hormone injections. In the article, the physician, British endocrinologist A.T.W. Simeons, claimed his patients weren't hungry as long as they took shots of HCG, which is produced by the placenta and derived from the urine of pregnant women (variations on this treatment used the urine of pregnant rabbits and mares). It's the very hormone, in fact, that turns the stick blue on a home pregnancy test. Human chorionic gonadotropin was legitimately used at the time to treat a condition called Fröhlich's syndrome, a hormonal imbalance that affects young boys, disturbing their sexual development, appetite, and sleep, and causing them to accumulate fat on the hips, buttocks, and thighs. Simeons reasoned that if the drug worked to melt away the fat on those boys with a rare genetic disorder, then it ought to do the same thing on normal, healthy women. The hormone, he wrote, would cause a "normal distribution" of fat on the body and would correct a "basic disorder in the brain." His diet book -- Pounds and Inches: A New Approach to Obesity -- included other gems of pseudo-medical advice, warning readers to eat no breakfast whatsoever, except for coffee, and to abstain from using any cosmetics or lotion on the body because it will be absorbed and added to the existing fat deposits in the body. Simeon's treatment

became all the rage; for a time, it was the most widespread medication given in the United States to lose weight, and was the main treatment used in eighty Weight Reduction Medical Clinics in California. Unfortunately, it didn't work: None of the mainly female patients seeking treatment, it turned out, were suffering from Fröhlich's syndrome. The medical establishment only started to become suspicious of the drug when reports surfaced that part-time doctors were being offered as much as $100,000 a year by weight-loss clinics to spend one afternoon a week sitting and writing pads of prescriptions for the drug. In 1962, the Journal of the American Medical Association warned against the Simeons diet, saying "continued adherence to such a drastic regimen is potentially more hazardous to the patient's health than continued obesity." In 1974, the Food and Drug Adminstration required producers of HCG to label the drug with a warning against

using it for weight loss or fat redistribution. In Canada, the Task Force on the Treatment of Obesity warned that the use of the hormone "touches on possible malpractice." Nevertheless, a few diet doctors continued with the treatment -- it is legal, after all, for physicians to prescribe medications for purposes that are not approved by the FDA -- often handing the patients the drugs and injection equipment so they could administer it themselves. In 1981, a physician and an entrepreneur joined forces for one of the most dangerous diet schemes ever: The Cambridge Diet. Jack Feather, who originated the idea, was a Walter Cunningham type who built a fortune in the 1960s with his wife Elain selling women the bodies they wanted to have. They peddled figure salons, Mark Eden bust-developers, Trim-Jeans, the Sauna Belt, and then in the 1980s, the Cambridge Diet. In the 1960s and 70s, romance and true story magazines were filled with Feather's

fabulous promises for his products: "Astro-trimmer the most astounding waist and tummy reducer of all time!" Many featured lovely young women with enormous breasts, who swore their bustlines were the result not of nature or silicone, but a hand-held exercise contraption. "The very first time I used Mark II I saw my bust line become rounder and fuller and actually grow three full inches right before my eyes!" one testified. For fifteen years, while the Feathers increased the size and fullness of their bank accounts, the U.S. Postal Service battled with them to stop making outlandish claims. Finally, in 1981, they were indicted on 13 counts of mail fraud, and made a deal with the government to pay $1.1 million and to stop selling bust developers, Astro-Trimmers and other diet aids. But by that time, they were ready to move on to their biggest scam. In 1979, Feather had come across a copy of the International Journal of Obesity, which

described University of Cambridge nutrition researcher Alan 's work putting patients on very low, 320-calorie-a-day diets. Feather decided he wanted to add a diet to his line of figure-enhancing products, and made a deal with to put the diet on the market. By this time, the very low calorie diet had already proven itself to be disastrous, since 58 people had died from being on the commercial liquid diets that were popular in 1976 and 1977. The amount of protein in these drinks was insufficient to keep the body from feeding on its own stores of protein, including lean muscle tissue and vital organs. The Cambridge Diet, however, advertised that it was "the perfect food," and "provides you with scientifically balanced nutrition," and backed its claims with assurances from Dr. , who was hardly an unbiased scientific observer, but continued to defend the product in scientific journals without revealing he'd been paid for

his services. It took journal articles by other well-known obesity researchers to bring to light the fact that even 's own research showed that the extreme diet burned up the body's muscles and organs. After two months, the US Postal Service and the FDA forced Feather to stop mail-order sales from ads that claimed that the Cambridge Diet would produce "no harmful side effects," was "metabolically balanced," and that people could stay on the formula for an "unlimited amount of time." Feather stopped selling the product through the mail, and instead created the kind of wildly profitable multi-level marketing plan used today by Herbalife. The diet sold by word-of-mouth, with counselors who served as cheerleaders and spiritual advisors for their clients. The diet counselor who sold the liquid formula not only got a profit from each can sold to his own customers, but a percentage of the sales of each counselor he recruited into the

Cambridge "family." This pyramid scheme was so successful that some counselors were earning more than $150,000 a month. Successful counselors-turned-executives were rewarded with BMWs, Mercedes-Benzes, solid gold pens, and glitzy, celebrity-ridden hotel extravaganzas. Eventually, more than three million people had tried the diet, which Feather marketed as "an Ultimate Truth." For some, it was the ultimate diet: Thirty people died from heart attacks before the FDA forced the company to stop selling the nutritionally inadequate diet drinks. The Cambridge Diet debacle shows just how dangerous weight loss marketing schemes can be. The problem with most weight loss products sold over the years is they don't work, except to make the promoter wealthy. The problem with the rest is that they do work, temporarily, by promoting unhealthy weight loss through starvation, as in the case of the Cambridge Diet, or

by stimulating the nervous system, as in the case of over-the-counter diet pills containing phenylpropanolamine (now banned in the United States), which not only cause unpleasant side effects such as dizziness and irritability, but can lead to heart attacks and stroke. If money were the only thing people lost in diet scams, it would be serious enough. But many people have lost their good health or their lives trying to lose weight. No matter what the claims, no obesity cures to date really work to help people lose weight permanently. At best, they only make your wallet thinner. Disturbingly, even after many of these schemes have been proven ineffective or dangerous, they persist. Even the poisonous dinitrophenol made a comeback. In 1987, the Texas Board of Medical Examiners tried to revoke the license of physician Bachynsky, who owned a $10-million-a-year chain of diet and smoking-cessation clinics, for using dinitrophenol in

his weight loss treatments. Sold under the name Mitcal, and advertised with the promise, "Never Be Fat Again," patients were charged $1,000 per treatment of the poison. Bachynsky testified in a 1986 trial that he'd prescribed the drug to some 14,000 Texans. Jurors found Bachynsky guilty of using the toxic chemical on his patients, he was fined $86,000, and his medical license was revoked. State District Judge Gallardo overturned that order, finding that the medical board's claim that dinitrophenol is "a chemical compound with no proven therapeutic value and usually has a number of harmful and dangerous side effects upon persons who take it" was "not supported by substantial evidence." Bachynsky went back to practicing medicine. It wasn't until 1990 that the Board of Medical Examiners was successful in taking away the diet doctor's license, after he pled guilty to a $60 million insurance scam that put him in federal prison for a

ten-year term. He's no longer injecting weed killer into weight loss patients, but only because he got caught for another reason -- falsifying his patients' insurance claims. And human chorionic gonadotropin is still being peddled at conventions of diet doctors. In the exhibit hall at the American Society of Bariatric Physicians conference, I picked up a bottle of HCG and read the package insert. HCG, it said, "has not been demonstrated to be effective adjunctive therapy in the treatment of obesity. There is no substantial evidence that it increases weight loss beyond that resulting this from caloric restriction." I asked the vendor whether the physicians buy for weight loss. He shrugged. "They buy it," he said. "It's up to them what they use it for." -- Fraser is a freelance writer whose articles have appeared in Health, Mother , and other national publications. She is the author of

Losing It: False Hopes and Fat Profits in the Diet Industry. This article is adapted from a chapter on diet fraud. ReferencesWoods Hutchinson, MD. "Fat and Its Follies." Cosmopolitan (1984), p 395.Dr. Harvey W. Wiley and Anne Pierce. "Swindled Getting Slim." Good Housekeeping (January 1914), p. 109.Arthur J. Cramp, MD. Ed. Nostrums and Quackery: Articles on the Nostrum Evil, Quackery, and Allied Matters Affecting the Public Health: Reprinted With or Without Modifications from the Journal of the American Medical Association, Vol. II (Chicago: American Medical Association

Press, 1921), p. 659. Ernsberger and Haskew, "Rethinking Obesity: An Alternative View of Its Health Implications." Journal of Obesity and and Weight Regulation, Vol.6 (1987), 45. A. Kilduffe. "The Weight of the Transgressor." Hygeia (September 1938).Theodore Berland, Consumer's Guide to Rating the diets: Everything You Should Know About the Diets Making News (Skokie: Ill.: Publications International, 1980), p 223. Wadden, et al. "The Cambridge Diet: More Mayhem?" Journal of the American

Medical Association, vol. 250 (1983), 2833.Testimony from "Juvenile Dieting: Unsafe Over-the-Counter Diet Product, and Recent Enforcement Efforts by the Federal Trade Commission." Hearing before the subcommittee on Regulations, Business opportunities, and Energy of the Committee on Small Business, House of Representatives, 101st Congress, Washington, D.C.,Sept. 24, 1990 (Washington, D.C.; U.S. Government Printing Office, 1990).Texas State Board of Medical Examiners orders and complaints dated 1/26/90, 1/31/87/ 5/16/86, 3/7/86, and 2/1/86.Hillel Schwartz, Never Satisfied: A Cultural History of Diets, Fantasies, and Fat (New

York: Free Press, 1986). Our reviewers are members of Consumer Health Interactive's medical advisory board. To learn more about our writers and editors, click here. First published September 30, 2002Last updated June 29, 2006Copyright © 2002 Consumer Health Interactive HomeWomen's Health | Men's Health | Health After 60 | Pregnancy | Children's Health Fitness & Nutrition | Alternative Health | Lifestyle & Wellness | Work & Health | Dental Health | Ills & Conditions Self-Care Centers | Medical Library | Cool Tools About AHealthyMe.com | Awards | Editorial Guidelines | Contact Us | FAQ | Registration | Privacy We subscribe to the HONcode principles of the Health On the Net Foundation We work hard to make

sure our information is trustworthy. Meet our Medical Review Board. All contents copyright © 1999 - 2007 Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Massachusetts, Inc. ® rockergrrrrl <rockergrrrrl@...> wrote: I'll try to find some sites and provide them tomorrow if I have time. I started my research back in January and made my decision to go for it shortly thereafter (on my terms....not KT's). Please know I didn't mean to frighten you or anyone else here. We are all in this together. I was just trying to make a point how important reaseach is. It is

the only way we can make informed decisions for ourselves.In the meantime, you might want to google Simeon's Protocol/HCG. I think that's how I found them. I just found two links that way:http://www.ahealthyme.com/topic/dietscams and http://www.myonlinewellness.com/topic/dietscams. I found the same info provided on some gov. sites. I'll get back with links if I can find them again. I just tried quickly and got MANY more hits now then back in Jan. The first article references other sources you can try as well. Anyway, the articles related that about 55 people died in the 50's using the protocol after a write-up in Good Housekeeping or Harper's Bazaar (don't remember which). I suspect it might have had more to do with the diet than HCG itself although some say it

literally "cooked organs" when used in high amounts. (I remember reading about something in the 1920's also). HCG was then banned for use with respect to weight loss ONLY (not its other use). The articles went on to say how HCG for weight loss resurfaces every decade or so. People make money then it dies off. I found only a small amount documentation to back that up and decided to use HCG anyway. Other 500 calorie diets have been banned, as well. I know for fact that medifast will no longer provide their 470 cal. diet because of deaths and other health issues. They now only provide a diet over 900 cals. Some HCG books state the HCG is added calories. I have not made my own conclusion on that yet.PLEASE KNOW the above information was provided as research only. Please make your own, informed choices.Best,Patti> >> > I think the person who commented on Trudeau is on this site for the > same reason we are all here. There is nothing wrong with > investigating

ones information. It would be foolish not to, > especially when injecting oneself with something.> > > > If one doesn't already know Trudeau's history, all they have to > do is to google his name and the word fraud or scam. They'll get at > least 104,000 hits. He's no stranger to the courtroom and is a > convicted felon. He's done jail time for credit card fraud, been sued > by state consumer protection boards and so on. Here, he basically > stole Dr. Simeon's information from the early 1950's. Do I care???? > ABSOLUTELY NOT. I'm happy he put it out there again for us to see and > make our decisions cautiously and accordingly. There have been > deaths in the past following this protocol. I would not know that > either w/o ongoing research.> > > > That said, I think everyone using HCG has a right to be here and > provide input. This

site was put up for support and research purposes.> > > > I'm excited to be receiving my order soon. I, for one, can't wait > to get back on my program.> > > > Have a great day!> > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with > FareChase.> >>

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Hmmm... interesting ... we haven't seen any recent photos being posted... Tinasue...are you gonna post some pics??? I know it's hard, but I did it and so did Janice!!! If we can, anyone can! Keep up the GREAT work and I'm thrilled that you're doing so well. Debbie tinasue39@... wrote: That's an amazing article. I still

believe this is the fastest, least painful way to lose weight. They out and out say it doesn't work, when it does! I'm a walking poster girl for HCG, again I don't know if it's the answer but I sure love the fast results and of course the FAT loss. I can't believe I've only be on this 12 days, feel fantastic and the results are great, again a pants size which makes me happy. See what's free at AOL.com.

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