Re: Mansion mold problem severe

July 3, 2004

Don't let anyone tell you that Aspergillis and Pennicillium are only allerg=

ens. I wouldn't wish what I went through with my exposures to them on

anyone -- those two specie can cause utterly debilitatiing symptoms, and wh=

en I went through detox and the Herxhiemer reaction, I feel that I was

close to death --- attempting to control hyperventilation by breathing into=

a paper bag for two days, alone in a motel room.

There are public papers outlining the miltitary use of Aflatoxins (the myco=

toxin component in Aspergillis) as bioweapons, and that one specific toxin

in this group, Aflatoxin B1, is considered one of the most potent carcinoge=

ns known.

In , " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2C@n...> wrote:

> http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/9071606.htm

> Posted on Sat, Jul. 03, 2004

>

> Mansion mold problem severe

>

> Sanford family must stay away till fall

>

> By AARON GOULD SHEININ

>

> Staff Writer

>

> The mold problem at the Governor's Mansion is worse than previously

> thought and will keep the first family away at least until September.

>

> The consultant hired by the state to fix the problem said Friday that

> mold also has been found at the Lace and Caldwell-Boylston houses in

> the mansion complex.

>

> Consultant Rick said it will be another eight weeks before

> Gov. Mark Sanford's family can move back into their official

> residence in Columbia.

>

> It will take a total of 12 weeks to complete the entire project, he

> said.

>

> 's firm, Risk Tech of ton, has been hired to fix the

> problem. said he did not yet know how much the work would

> cost. The money will come from the state's building maintenance fund.

>

> Risk Tech's inspection discovered a " significant fungal reservoir " in

> the mansion itself, as well as mold in the Lace and Caldwell-Boylston

> houses in the mansion complex, said.

>

> The mansion underwent a $5.6 million, taxpayer-financed renovation in

> 2000-01. The Lace House had $195,000 in privately funded improvements

> this year.

>

> The mold in the Lace House is visible on many surfaces, said,

> while the mold in the mansion is mostly limited to the air-

> conditioning system. The mold in the Boylston house is minor.

>

> Employees in the Lace and Boylston houses will not have to be moved,

> said. Work can be done around them.

>

> Sanford's family had hoped to return to Columbia in two weeks but now

> will be out until September, state government spokesman

> Sponhour said.

>

> The family — including first lady Sanford and the four Sanford

> sons — has been living at the family's oceanfront home on Sullivan's

> Island since the mansion was closed June 21.

>

> If the family cannot move back into the Governor's Mansion by the

> time the children return to school at Columbia's Heathwood Hall

> Episcopal School, the family will find temporary quarters at

> taxpayers' expense in Columbia, Sanford spokesman Drummond said.

>

> The governor has been staying with the family at Sullivan's Island

> but will find a place to stay in Columbia.

>

> Sanford got a lot of attention for his frugality while in Congress

> for sleeping on a futon in his office, instead of spending tax

> dollars on a residence. That same futon is now in the Governor's

> Mansion and would have to be cleaned before it can be used, Drummond

> said.

>

> The one piece of good news to come from Friday's revelation was that

> the mold is not as dangerous as previously thought.

>

> Initial reports said stachybotrys, a toxic mold that can cause

> serious allergic reactions, permeated the mansion. But 's more

> in-depth study found small amounts of stachybotrys. Instead, three

> other more common molds were found.

>

> Aspergillus and penicillium were found in the air throughout the

> mansion, and cladosporium was found in the ventilation ducts.

>

> Minor amounts of stachybotrys were found, " but it's very limited, "

> said.

>

> Aspergillus and penicillium are both " type 1 " allergens that can

> cause health problems, especially for younger and older people.

>

> Some people are allergic to certain molds, and some are not. Those

> who are allergic typically experience symptoms similar to colds or

> sinus infections.

>

> said the mold in the mansion was caused by two things: a

> problem with the air-conditioning system and the renovation work.

>

> The air system is too big for the house, said. That creates

> too much humidity in the house. Humidity causes moisture to collect

> in the system ductwork.

>

> During the $5.6 million renovation of the mansion, dust and debris

> got into the air-conditioning system. Risk Tech interviewed state

> employees who worked on the renovations who said they did not turn on

> the filtration system for fear it would get clogged by the dust and

> debris.

>

> The ventilation system was not cleaned when the work was finished, so

> the dust and debris remained and came into contact with the water

> caused by the high humidity.

>

> That's a perfect environment for mold, said.

>

> The air-conditioning system was built by Swygert-Crowder Consulting

> Engineers of Columbia, Sponhour said. Efforts to contact company

> officials were unsuccessful Friday.

>

> Drummond, the governor's communications director, said the Sanford

> family was frustrated with the situation. Sanford first brought

> the problem to the State Budget and Control Board, which oversees

> state property, last summer. That agency inspected the mansion in

> August and adjusted the humidity levels.

>

> But in March, Sanford asked a family friend who is an engineer

> to inspect it again. Lenny Greene of Orbital Engineering and

> Consulting in ton found problems with the air-conditioning

> system and presented a report to the Budget and Control Board in

> March, Drummond said.

>

> " They didn't take any action, " said Drummond, who added that Greene

> donated his services.

>

> Sponhour said the board received Greene's report in April. It sent a

> copy to the chief architect of the mansion renovation, and

> Schmidt Architects of ton. The architects asked Swygert-

> Crowder — the firm that designed the air-conditioning system — about

> the report, Sponhour said.

>

> Swygert-Crowder agreed with some of Orbital's findings, Sponhour said.

>

> said there is a problem with the air-conditioning system. He

> does not yet know if the problem is in the design of the system, its

> installation or the maintenance of the system.

>

> It could be all three, he said.

>

> The state's warranty on the system has expired, Sponhour said. It is

> too early to talk about who is responsible for the situation, he

> said, but the state will " keep our options open. "

>

> Reach Gould Sheinin at (803) 771-8658 or asheinin@t...

July 3, 2004

Don't let anyone tell you that Aspergillis and Pennicillium are only allerg=

ens. I wouldn't wish what I went through with my exposures to them on

anyone -- those two specie can cause utterly debilitatiing symptoms, and wh=

en I went through detox and the Herxhiemer reaction, I feel that I was

close to death --- attempting to control hyperventilation by breathing into=

a paper bag for two days, alone in a motel room.

There are public papers outlining the miltitary use of Aflatoxins (the myco=

toxin component in Aspergillis) as bioweapons, and that one specific toxin

in this group, Aflatoxin B1, is considered one of the most potent carcinoge=

ns known.

In , " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2C@n...> wrote:

> http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/9071606.htm

> Posted on Sat, Jul. 03, 2004

>

> Mansion mold problem severe

>

> Sanford family must stay away till fall

>

> By AARON GOULD SHEININ

>

> Staff Writer

>

> The mold problem at the Governor's Mansion is worse than previously

> thought and will keep the first family away at least until September.

>

> The consultant hired by the state to fix the problem said Friday that

> mold also has been found at the Lace and Caldwell-Boylston houses in

> the mansion complex.

>

> Consultant Rick said it will be another eight weeks before

> Gov. Mark Sanford's family can move back into their official

> residence in Columbia.

>

> It will take a total of 12 weeks to complete the entire project, he

> said.

>

> 's firm, Risk Tech of ton, has been hired to fix the

> problem. said he did not yet know how much the work would

> cost. The money will come from the state's building maintenance fund.

>

> Risk Tech's inspection discovered a " significant fungal reservoir " in

> the mansion itself, as well as mold in the Lace and Caldwell-Boylston

> houses in the mansion complex, said.

>

> The mansion underwent a $5.6 million, taxpayer-financed renovation in

> 2000-01. The Lace House had $195,000 in privately funded improvements

> this year.

>

> The mold in the Lace House is visible on many surfaces, said,

> while the mold in the mansion is mostly limited to the air-

> conditioning system. The mold in the Boylston house is minor.

>

> Employees in the Lace and Boylston houses will not have to be moved,

> said. Work can be done around them.

>

> Sanford's family had hoped to return to Columbia in two weeks but now

> will be out until September, state government spokesman

> Sponhour said.

>

> The family — including first lady Sanford and the four Sanford

> sons — has been living at the family's oceanfront home on Sullivan's

> Island since the mansion was closed June 21.

>

> If the family cannot move back into the Governor's Mansion by the

> time the children return to school at Columbia's Heathwood Hall

> Episcopal School, the family will find temporary quarters at

> taxpayers' expense in Columbia, Sanford spokesman Drummond said.

>

> The governor has been staying with the family at Sullivan's Island

> but will find a place to stay in Columbia.

>

> Sanford got a lot of attention for his frugality while in Congress

> for sleeping on a futon in his office, instead of spending tax

> dollars on a residence. That same futon is now in the Governor's

> Mansion and would have to be cleaned before it can be used, Drummond

> said.

>

> The one piece of good news to come from Friday's revelation was that

> the mold is not as dangerous as previously thought.

>

> Initial reports said stachybotrys, a toxic mold that can cause

> serious allergic reactions, permeated the mansion. But 's more

> in-depth study found small amounts of stachybotrys. Instead, three

> other more common molds were found.

>

> Aspergillus and penicillium were found in the air throughout the

> mansion, and cladosporium was found in the ventilation ducts.

>

> Minor amounts of stachybotrys were found, " but it's very limited, "

> said.

>

> Aspergillus and penicillium are both " type 1 " allergens that can

> cause health problems, especially for younger and older people.

>

> Some people are allergic to certain molds, and some are not. Those

> who are allergic typically experience symptoms similar to colds or

> sinus infections.

>

> said the mold in the mansion was caused by two things: a

> problem with the air-conditioning system and the renovation work.

>

> The air system is too big for the house, said. That creates

> too much humidity in the house. Humidity causes moisture to collect

> in the system ductwork.

>

> During the $5.6 million renovation of the mansion, dust and debris

> got into the air-conditioning system. Risk Tech interviewed state

> employees who worked on the renovations who said they did not turn on

> the filtration system for fear it would get clogged by the dust and

> debris.

>

> The ventilation system was not cleaned when the work was finished, so

> the dust and debris remained and came into contact with the water

> caused by the high humidity.

>

> That's a perfect environment for mold, said.

>

> The air-conditioning system was built by Swygert-Crowder Consulting

> Engineers of Columbia, Sponhour said. Efforts to contact company

> officials were unsuccessful Friday.

>

> Drummond, the governor's communications director, said the Sanford

> family was frustrated with the situation. Sanford first brought

> the problem to the State Budget and Control Board, which oversees

> state property, last summer. That agency inspected the mansion in

> August and adjusted the humidity levels.

>

> But in March, Sanford asked a family friend who is an engineer

> to inspect it again. Lenny Greene of Orbital Engineering and

> Consulting in ton found problems with the air-conditioning

> system and presented a report to the Budget and Control Board in

> March, Drummond said.

>

> " They didn't take any action, " said Drummond, who added that Greene

> donated his services.

>

> Sponhour said the board received Greene's report in April. It sent a

> copy to the chief architect of the mansion renovation, and

> Schmidt Architects of ton. The architects asked Swygert-

> Crowder — the firm that designed the air-conditioning system — about

> the report, Sponhour said.

>

> Swygert-Crowder agreed with some of Orbital's findings, Sponhour said.

>

> said there is a problem with the air-conditioning system. He

> does not yet know if the problem is in the design of the system, its

> installation or the maintenance of the system.

>

> It could be all three, he said.

>

> The state's warranty on the system has expired, Sponhour said. It is

> too early to talk about who is responsible for the situation, he

> said, but the state will " keep our options open. "

>

> Reach Gould Sheinin at (803) 771-8658 or asheinin@t...

July 3, 2004

Thx,

I am glad you pointed that out. I for one have researched those molds,

as I had a pre-existing liver disease, and found that it is the most

potent liver carcinogens known. I may have mentioned before that I

found mold in my condo in the northeast, went through battles with the

condo assoc., then re-mediated myself, finally reconstructed, and

recently sold. I moved to a new apt. in Florida after traveling for 3

days. I had previously told the managers that I had been going through

a toxic mold problem, and I couldn't be around any mold, etc., etc.

They said it had no history of water problems, blah, blah. Well, after

my friend left, I looked around real good, and found rotted wood under

the kitchen sink that had been hidden by a piece of new plywood; under

the bathroom sink in the master bedroom, it was rot and mold painted

over with thick white paint (only they didn't do a good job) and I

poked a hole in that wood too.

Then it rained, and there was a 2 ft. trench of water around the place,

I started getting an infection, then got out of there as fast as I

could, not knowing where in the heck to go in a new town.

If anyone is interested, I will keep you posted.

Judi

On Jul 3, 2004, at 3:10 PM, moldincolo wrote:

> Don't let anyone tell you that Aspergillis and Pennicillium are only

> allerg=

> ens. I wouldn't wish what I went through with my exposures to them on

> anyone -- those two specie can cause utterly debilitatiing symptoms,

> and wh=

> en I went through detox and the Herxhiemer reaction, I feel that I was

> close to death --- attempting to control hyperventilation by breathing

> into=

> a paper bag for two days, alone in a motel room.

>

> There are public papers outlining the miltitary use of Aflatoxins (the

> myco=

> toxin component in Aspergillis) as bioweapons, and that one specific

> toxin

> in this group, Aflatoxin B1, is considered one of the most potent

> carcinoge=

> ns known.

>

> In , " tigerpaw2c " <tigerpaw2C@n...> wrote:

>> http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/9071606.htm

>> Posted on Sat, Jul. 03, 2004

>>

>> Mansion mold problem severe

>>

>> Sanford family must stay away till fall

>>

>> By AARON GOULD SHEININ

>>

>> Staff Writer

>>

>> The mold problem at the Governor's Mansion is worse than previously

>> thought and will keep the first family away at least until September.

>>

>> The consultant hired by the state to fix the problem said Friday that

>> mold also has been found at the Lace and Caldwell-Boylston houses in

>> the mansion complex.

>>

>> Consultant Rick said it will be another eight weeks before

>> Gov. Mark Sanford's family can move back into their official

>> residence in Columbia.

>>

>> It will take a total of 12 weeks to complete the entire project, he

>> said.

>>

>> 's firm, Risk Tech of ton, has been hired to fix the

>> problem. said he did not yet know how much the work would

>> cost. The money will come from the state's building maintenance fund.

>>

>> Risk Tech's inspection discovered a " significant fungal reservoir " in

>> the mansion itself, as well as mold in the Lace and Caldwell-Boylston

>> houses in the mansion complex, said.

>>

>> The mansion underwent a $5.6 million, taxpayer-financed renovation in

>> 2000-01. The Lace House had $195,000 in privately funded improvements

>> this year.

>>

>> The mold in the Lace House is visible on many surfaces, said,

>> while the mold in the mansion is mostly limited to the air-

>> conditioning system. The mold in the Boylston house is minor.

>>

>> Employees in the Lace and Boylston houses will not have to be moved,

>> said. Work can be done around them.

>>

>> Sanford's family had hoped to return to Columbia in two weeks but now

>> will be out until September, state government spokesman

>> Sponhour said.

>>

>> The family — including first lady Sanford and the four Sanford

>> sons — has been living at the family's oceanfront home on Sullivan's

>> Island since the mansion was closed June 21.

>>

>> If the family cannot move back into the Governor's Mansion by the

>> time the children return to school at Columbia's Heathwood Hall

>> Episcopal School, the family will find temporary quarters at

>> taxpayers' expense in Columbia, Sanford spokesman Drummond said.

>>

>> The governor has been staying with the family at Sullivan's Island

>> but will find a place to stay in Columbia.

>>

>> Sanford got a lot of attention for his frugality while in Congress

>> for sleeping on a futon in his office, instead of spending tax

>> dollars on a residence. That same futon is now in the Governor's

>> Mansion and would have to be cleaned before it can be used, Drummond

>> said.

>>

>> The one piece of good news to come from Friday's revelation was that

>> the mold is not as dangerous as previously thought.

>>

>> Initial reports said stachybotrys, a toxic mold that can cause

>> serious allergic reactions, permeated the mansion. But 's more

>> in-depth study found small amounts of stachybotrys. Instead, three

>> other more common molds were found.

>>

>> Aspergillus and penicillium were found in the air throughout the

>> mansion, and cladosporium was found in the ventilation ducts.

>>

>> Minor amounts of stachybotrys were found, " but it's very limited, "

>> said.

>>

>> Aspergillus and penicillium are both " type 1 " allergens that can

>> cause health problems, especially for younger and older people.

>>

>> Some people are allergic to certain molds, and some are not. Those

>> who are allergic typically experience symptoms similar to colds or

>> sinus infections.

>>

>> said the mold in the mansion was caused by two things: a

>> problem with the air-conditioning system and the renovation work.

>>

>> The air system is too big for the house, said. That creates

>> too much humidity in the house. Humidity causes moisture to collect

>> in the system ductwork.

>>

>> During the $5.6 million renovation of the mansion, dust and debris

>> got into the air-conditioning system. Risk Tech interviewed state

>> employees who worked on the renovations who said they did not turn on

>> the filtration system for fear it would get clogged by the dust and

>> debris.

>>

>> The ventilation system was not cleaned when the work was finished, so

>> the dust and debris remained and came into contact with the water

>> caused by the high humidity.

>>

>> That's a perfect environment for mold, said.

>>

>> The air-conditioning system was built by Swygert-Crowder Consulting

>> Engineers of Columbia, Sponhour said. Efforts to contact company

>> officials were unsuccessful Friday.

>>

>> Drummond, the governor's communications director, said the Sanford

>> family was frustrated with the situation. Sanford first brought

>> the problem to the State Budget and Control Board, which oversees

>> state property, last summer. That agency inspected the mansion in

>> August and adjusted the humidity levels.

>>

>> But in March, Sanford asked a family friend who is an engineer

>> to inspect it again. Lenny Greene of Orbital Engineering and

>> Consulting in ton found problems with the air-conditioning

>> system and presented a report to the Budget and Control Board in

>> March, Drummond said.

>>

>> " They didn't take any action, " said Drummond, who added that Greene

>> donated his services.

>>

>> Sponhour said the board received Greene's report in April. It sent a

>> copy to the chief architect of the mansion renovation, and

>> Schmidt Architects of ton. The architects asked Swygert-

>> Crowder — the firm that designed the air-conditioning system — about

>> the report, Sponhour said.

>>

>> Swygert-Crowder agreed with some of Orbital's findings, Sponhour said.

>>

>> said there is a problem with the air-conditioning system. He

>> does not yet know if the problem is in the design of the system, its

>> installation or the maintenance of the system.

>>

>> It could be all three, he said.

>>

>> The state's warranty on the system has expired, Sponhour said. It is

>> too early to talk about who is responsible for the situation, he

>> said, but the state will " keep our options open. "

>>

>> Reach Gould Sheinin at (803) 771-8658 or asheinin@t...

>

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July 3, 2004

Hah! Isn't this fun?

When I spoke to Kathy Masera's staff, they told me that no Stachy was

found in the California Job Journals offices either.

http://www.jobjournal.com/mold/cjjstory3sb.html

Yet even after going through the most stringent decontamination

procedures and relocating, enough of the staff remained ill that they

were planning on abandoning the place they had moved to.

I didn't get to talk to Kathy because she was in the hospital having

surgery but my conversation with the staff was most informative.

No Stachy was found in airborne or tape sampling of my house either.

Yet when I hired a mycologist to go with me until I found a mold

colony that zapped me, I had scoffed at the " lesser " molds since

they had no apparent effect on me. Then when we found a colony that

dropped me to the floor, it was none other than " The Big S " .

So the disparity between no airborne spores and my blazing reaction

led me to try and figure out the discrepancy.

It ain't the spores.

" It's the MYCOTOXINS, Stupid! "

- (Just paraphrasing the " New Germ Theory " )

July 3, 2004