Guest guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 I didn't know that tests could determine a previous exposure to Stachy. What tests are they and what labs do them? Pat m> As I have learned more about how to interpret my Ig panel, I see that my second highest levels of reactivity are to Satratoxins. m> The tech at Immunosciences advised me that these are only associated with Stachy, and my test indicates past exposure. However, my highest levels m> of reactivity were for Aspergillis Hemolysin and Aflatoxins. Apparently, I was in a mixed-specie environment, but I understand that Stachy will m> ultimately overgrow other specie and create a uniform population. m> Would you read this as the overgrowth being of something less than a longstanding infestation? m> Lee m> FAIR USE NOTICE: m> This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance m> understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material m> as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior m> interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted m> material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. m> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 I didn't know that tests could determine a previous exposure to Stachy. What tests are they and what labs do them? Pat m> As I have learned more about how to interpret my Ig panel, I see that my second highest levels of reactivity are to Satratoxins. m> The tech at Immunosciences advised me that these are only associated with Stachy, and my test indicates past exposure. However, my highest levels m> of reactivity were for Aspergillis Hemolysin and Aflatoxins. Apparently, I was in a mixed-specie environment, but I understand that Stachy will m> ultimately overgrow other specie and create a uniform population. m> Would you read this as the overgrowth being of something less than a longstanding infestation? m> Lee m> FAIR USE NOTICE: m> This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance m> understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material m> as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior m> interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted m> material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. m> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 > I didn't know that tests could determine a previous exposure to > Stachy. What tests are they and what labs do them? > > Pat This was the Mycotoxin Ig panel #15 from Immunosciences Labs in Los Angeles= .. IgG levels are apparently indicative of past exposures, and from what I understand this can be determined for up to three years. IgA, IgB an= d IgM are more supposedly more reflective of current sensitivities. BTW, this was my test, not 's -- though I am sure he's had something of= this nature at this point. My previous query as to whether a mixed-specie environment with both Stachy= and Aspergillis is indicative of a recent (vs. long established) infestation still stands. > > m> As I have learned more about how to interpret my Ig panel, I see that = my second highest levels of reactivity are to Satratoxins. > > m> The tech at Immunosciences advised me that these are only associated w= ith Stachy, and my test indicates past exposure. However, my highest levels= > m> of reactivity were for Aspergillis Hemolysin and Aflatoxins. Apparent= ly, I was in a mixed-specie environment, but I understand that Stachy will > m> ultimately overgrow other specie and create a uniform population. > > m> Would you read this as the overgrowth being of something less than a l= ongstanding infestation? > > m> Lee > > > > > m> FAIR USE NOTICE: > > m> This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not alway= s been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such ma= terial available in our efforts to advance > m> understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, dem= ocracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitu= tes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material > m> as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance = with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed w= ithout profit to those who have expressed a prior > m> interest in receiving the included information for research and educat= ional purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscod= e/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted > m> material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair = use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. > > > m> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 > I didn't know that tests could determine a previous exposure to > Stachy. What tests are they and what labs do them? > > Pat This was the Mycotoxin Ig panel #15 from Immunosciences Labs in Los Angeles= .. IgG levels are apparently indicative of past exposures, and from what I understand this can be determined for up to three years. IgA, IgB an= d IgM are more supposedly more reflective of current sensitivities. BTW, this was my test, not 's -- though I am sure he's had something of= this nature at this point. My previous query as to whether a mixed-specie environment with both Stachy= and Aspergillis is indicative of a recent (vs. long established) infestation still stands. > > m> As I have learned more about how to interpret my Ig panel, I see that = my second highest levels of reactivity are to Satratoxins. > > m> The tech at Immunosciences advised me that these are only associated w= ith Stachy, and my test indicates past exposure. However, my highest levels= > m> of reactivity were for Aspergillis Hemolysin and Aflatoxins. Apparent= ly, I was in a mixed-specie environment, but I understand that Stachy will > m> ultimately overgrow other specie and create a uniform population. > > m> Would you read this as the overgrowth being of something less than a l= ongstanding infestation? > > m> Lee > > > > > m> FAIR USE NOTICE: > > m> This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not alway= s been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such ma= terial available in our efforts to advance > m> understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, dem= ocracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitu= tes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material > m> as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance = with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed w= ithout profit to those who have expressed a prior > m> interest in receiving the included information for research and educat= ional purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscod= e/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted > m> material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair = use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. > > > m> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 > My previous query as to whether a mixed-specie environment with both Stachy= and Aspergillis is indicative of a recent (vs. long established) infestation still stands. > > Geez. Persistant! There's no guarantee that Stachy will get enough moisture to overgrow other molds. From what I hear, mixed colonies are usual. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 > My previous query as to whether a mixed-specie environment with both Stachy= and Aspergillis is indicative of a recent (vs. long established) infestation still stands. > > Geez. Persistant! There's no guarantee that Stachy will get enough moisture to overgrow other molds. From what I hear, mixed colonies are usual. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 > > Geez. Persistant! > There's no guarantee that Stachy will get enough moisture to > overgrow other molds. From what I hear, mixed colonies are usual. > > - Well, yeah! -- my point was not to get sidetracked on Ig panels. Your perception is that Stachy requires more moisture than other molds? Certainly, the current suggested diagnoses of " Mixed Mold Mycotoxicosis " infers that most environments are of mixed populations. My own expereince is that different environments cause different symptoms with me. Its' been suggested that this is due to different specie in exposure, and I suppose, spore vs. VOC/toxin component. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 > > Geez. Persistant! > There's no guarantee that Stachy will get enough moisture to > overgrow other molds. From what I hear, mixed colonies are usual. > > - Well, yeah! -- my point was not to get sidetracked on Ig panels. Your perception is that Stachy requires more moisture than other molds? Certainly, the current suggested diagnoses of " Mixed Mold Mycotoxicosis " infers that most environments are of mixed populations. My own expereince is that different environments cause different symptoms with me. Its' been suggested that this is due to different specie in exposure, and I suppose, spore vs. VOC/toxin component. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 > My own expereince is that different environments cause different symptoms with me. Its' been suggested that this is due to different specie in exposure, and I suppose, spore vs. VOC/toxin component. > That has been my experience too. It was easily apparent that this was no allergy to a specific mold but a reaction to components of mycotoxins from different molds. And as I said to Dr Marinkovich, I'm certainly reactive to other mold toxins but " Compared to Stachy they are less than a mosquito bite on my ass. " Yes, Stachy has a large spore that requires comparatively more moisture than other molds. It doesn't stay airborne long. That alone should have been a clue to the " allergy " theorists that this was not consistent with the entire aspect of the illness. People are dropping in places where no airborne spores are found at all - but there's generally still some Stachy around. Why would people be so affected by a spore that is almost never inhaled? You do the math. And of course the toxins vary by moisture, substrate and pressure from competing molds so the toxicity can be variable in spores from the same species within the same colony. When my possessions were dying down, I noted that the toxic response gradually abated and was replaced by an increase in the allergic component. After remediation, that was gone but extreme facial proximity brought on a bit of lingering " toxic " sensation. I would never sleep on something that had ever " hit " me or keep furniture that I didn't trust. But pictures and things that I don't have to be in close contact with that I didn't want to toss seem to be fine for me now. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 > My own expereince is that different environments cause different symptoms with me. Its' been suggested that this is due to different specie in exposure, and I suppose, spore vs. VOC/toxin component. > That has been my experience too. It was easily apparent that this was no allergy to a specific mold but a reaction to components of mycotoxins from different molds. And as I said to Dr Marinkovich, I'm certainly reactive to other mold toxins but " Compared to Stachy they are less than a mosquito bite on my ass. " Yes, Stachy has a large spore that requires comparatively more moisture than other molds. It doesn't stay airborne long. That alone should have been a clue to the " allergy " theorists that this was not consistent with the entire aspect of the illness. People are dropping in places where no airborne spores are found at all - but there's generally still some Stachy around. Why would people be so affected by a spore that is almost never inhaled? You do the math. And of course the toxins vary by moisture, substrate and pressure from competing molds so the toxicity can be variable in spores from the same species within the same colony. When my possessions were dying down, I noted that the toxic response gradually abated and was replaced by an increase in the allergic component. After remediation, that was gone but extreme facial proximity brought on a bit of lingering " toxic " sensation. I would never sleep on something that had ever " hit " me or keep furniture that I didn't trust. But pictures and things that I don't have to be in close contact with that I didn't want to toss seem to be fine for me now. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 -- As always, your indepth responses are appreciated. I get immediate symptoms from VOC exposure, and delayed reactions from what I percieve as spores only, ie: active growth environments vs. dry, dormant ones. I didn't know about Stachy being overly heavy relative to aerialization, however. I too am seeing a large uptick in my overall allergic response, though this is to other indoor environments, and what I percieve as ambient outdoor exposures. I do not have toxicity to outdoor exposures, other than one compost heap. I attributed this to my immune system " whiplashing " to a hyperreactive (allergic) state, after detoxing from several years of low level cross-contamination exposure. I don't mess with my belongings yet., other than some safely retrieved hard items that get scrubbed down. Did you say you waited five years to touch your stuff? > > > > My own expereince is that different environments cause different > symptoms with me. Its' been suggested that this is due to different > specie in exposure, and I suppose, spore vs. VOC/toxin component. > > > > > That has been my experience too. It was easily apparent that this > was no allergy to a specific mold but a reaction to components of > mycotoxins from different molds. > And as I said to Dr Marinkovich, I'm certainly reactive to other mold > toxins but " Compared to Stachy they are less than a mosquito bite on > my ass. " > Yes, Stachy has a large spore that requires comparatively more > moisture than other molds. It doesn't stay airborne long. > That alone should have been a clue to the " allergy " theorists that > this was not consistent with the entire aspect of the illness. > People are dropping in places where no airborne spores are found at > all - but there's generally still some Stachy around. Why would > people be so affected by a spore that is almost never inhaled? You > do the math. > And of course the toxins vary by moisture, substrate and pressure > from competing molds so the toxicity can be variable in spores from > the same species within the same colony. > When my possessions were dying down, I noted that the toxic response > gradually abated and was replaced by an increase in the allergic > component. After remediation, that was gone but extreme facial > proximity brought on a bit of lingering " toxic " sensation. > I would never sleep on something that had ever " hit " me or keep > furniture that I didn't trust. But pictures and things that I don't > have to be in close contact with that I didn't want to toss seem to > be fine for me now. > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 -- As always, your indepth responses are appreciated. I get immediate symptoms from VOC exposure, and delayed reactions from what I percieve as spores only, ie: active growth environments vs. dry, dormant ones. I didn't know about Stachy being overly heavy relative to aerialization, however. I too am seeing a large uptick in my overall allergic response, though this is to other indoor environments, and what I percieve as ambient outdoor exposures. I do not have toxicity to outdoor exposures, other than one compost heap. I attributed this to my immune system " whiplashing " to a hyperreactive (allergic) state, after detoxing from several years of low level cross-contamination exposure. I don't mess with my belongings yet., other than some safely retrieved hard items that get scrubbed down. Did you say you waited five years to touch your stuff? > > > > My own expereince is that different environments cause different > symptoms with me. Its' been suggested that this is due to different > specie in exposure, and I suppose, spore vs. VOC/toxin component. > > > > > That has been my experience too. It was easily apparent that this > was no allergy to a specific mold but a reaction to components of > mycotoxins from different molds. > And as I said to Dr Marinkovich, I'm certainly reactive to other mold > toxins but " Compared to Stachy they are less than a mosquito bite on > my ass. " > Yes, Stachy has a large spore that requires comparatively more > moisture than other molds. It doesn't stay airborne long. > That alone should have been a clue to the " allergy " theorists that > this was not consistent with the entire aspect of the illness. > People are dropping in places where no airborne spores are found at > all - but there's generally still some Stachy around. Why would > people be so affected by a spore that is almost never inhaled? You > do the math. > And of course the toxins vary by moisture, substrate and pressure > from competing molds so the toxicity can be variable in spores from > the same species within the same colony. > When my possessions were dying down, I noted that the toxic response > gradually abated and was replaced by an increase in the allergic > component. After remediation, that was gone but extreme facial > proximity brought on a bit of lingering " toxic " sensation. > I would never sleep on something that had ever " hit " me or keep > furniture that I didn't trust. But pictures and things that I don't > have to be in close contact with that I didn't want to toss seem to > be fine for me now. > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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