Guest guest Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Beth We stock it and sell it and works well for those who struggle with volume and taste of protein drinks. Tastes sweet, almost like a thick jello I recommend they split it in 2 to maximise the protein absorption Ciara --- Beth Taschuk <bethhanne@...> wrote: > Good morning: > It looks like most RD's are recommending whey > protein isolate to their patients. I am reviewing a > supplement from a patient and the ingredients > state.... > enzymatically hydrolyzed collagenic protein > isolate, whey protein isolate, and caseine protein > isolate. > The supplement is called New Whey Liquid Protein > from IDS which delivers 42 grams protein/ 3 oz > serving. > Any thoughts? > Thank you > Beth Taschuk RD > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them > fast with Search. ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Beth, I will offer the other side. We don't recommend it...the first ingredient is the collagen form of the protein. This is ok if you are already meeting your basic needs for protein and are looking for extra nitrogen sources, but not so good if you are trying to meeting the minimum levels of the indespensible AAs. I would recommend reviewing the following paper: Castellanos V, Litchford M, W. Modular Protein Supplements and their application to long-term care. Nutr Clin Prac 2006;21:485-504. The following information will be included in the ASMBS nutrition guidelines that will be published as a supplement to the June SOARD edition and will be given to all attendees at the annual meeting. Categories of Modular Protein Supplements Protein Category Derived from Complete Intended use Complete Protein Concentrates Egg white, soy, or milk (casein/ whey fractions) Yes Contains all 9 IAA relative to the human requirement Provides IAA in dietary protein Collagen Based Concentrates Hydrolyzed collagen Some are combined with casein or other complete proteins No Contains low levels of 8 out of 9 IAAs - lacks tryptophan Provides DAA in dietary protein Contains a high proportion of nitrogen in a small volume Amino Acid Dose Large doses of one or more DAA (ie arginine, glutamine) or amino acid precursors No Provides conditionally IAAs Promotes wound healing Hybrids of protein plus an amino acid dose Complete protein concentrate or collagen base plus 1 or more DAA Varies Meets protein needs and increases intake of conditionally IAAs IAA = Indispensable amino acid(s) DAA = Dispensable amino acid(s) This chart was adapted from Castellanos et al. I don't have any "evidence" that this protein supplement works or doesn't work. And the level of whey protein isolate may be enough, but without more information, I usually err on the side of caution. Jeanne Blankenship, MS RD Sacramento, CA -------------- Original message from Ciara Halpin <cmhalpin7@...>: -------------- BethWe stock it and sell it and works well for those whostruggle with volume and taste of protein drinks.Tastes sweet, almost like a thick jelloI recommend they split it in 2 to maximise the proteinabsorption Ciara--- Beth Taschuk <bethhanne > wrote:> Good morning:> It looks like most RD's are recommending whey> protein isolate to their patients. I am reviewing a> supplement from a patient and the ingredients> state....> enzymatically hydrolyzed collagenic protein> isolate, whey protein isolate, and caseine protein> isolate.> The supplement is called New Whey Liquid Protein> from IDS which delivers 42 grams protein/ 3 oz> serving.> Any thoughts?> Thank you> Beth Taschuk RD> > > ---------------------------------> Looking for last minute shoppin g deals? Find them> fast with Search.__________________________________________________________Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 I do not recommend this product to patients because collagen is a poor quality protein. The ingredients list does not specify how much of each ingredient is in the product, so it could be almost all collagen and a tiny amount of the whey and casein. I think it is especially important for bypass patients to have the best quality protein due to their malabsorption. In addition, 42 grams of protein is too much to absorb at one time, so any product with allegedly this much protein would have to be taken in divided doses, as Ciara mentioned. Cara Greenspan Clinical Dietitian, Bariatric Surgery Dietitian Temple University Hospital Phone: 215-707-8468 email: cara.greenspan@... protein supplements Good morning: It looks like most RD's are recommending whey protein isolate to their patients. I am reviewing a supplement from a patient and the ingredients state.... enzymatically hydrolyzed collagenic protein isolate, whey protein isolate, and caseine protein isolate. The supplement is called New Whey Liquid Protein from IDS which delivers 42 grams protein/ 3 oz serving. Any thoughts? Thank you Beth Taschuk RD Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM® Mail! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Jeanne: You are an angel......I honestly don't know where you find the time to advise us as you do. You are truly appreciated. We all are better dietitians because of you. Beth P.S. Is there a way to access any of the nutrition lectures from ASMBS? Unfortunately, I was unable to attend. I participated in the Maternal Health Conference via web (archived) a few years ago for a fee. (I try to do as much as I can when I see your name) This has been an invaluable resource. It would be beneficial to have that option with ASMBS. Great way to generate revenue and disseminate valuable information for health care professionals. Thank you again. Beth jbship@... wrote: Beth, I will offer the other side. We don't recommend it...the first ingredient is the collagen form of the protein. This is ok if you are already meeting your basic needs for protein and are looking for extra nitrogen sources, but not so good if you are trying to meeting the minimum levels of the indespensible AAs. I would recommend reviewing the following paper: Castellanos V, Litchford M, W. Modular Protein Supplements and their application to long-term care. Nutr Clin Prac 2006;21:485-504. The following information will be included in the ASMBS nutrition guidelines that will be published as a supplement to the June SOARD edition and will be given to all attendees at the annual meeting. Categories of Modular Protein Supplements Protein Category Derived from Complete Intended use Complete Protein Concentrates Egg white, soy, or milk (casein/ whey fractions) Yes Contains all 9 IAA relative to the human requirement Provides IAA in dietary protein Collagen Based Concentrates Hydrolyzed collagen Some are combined with casein or other complete proteins No Contains low levels of 8 out of 9 IAAs - lacks tryptophan Provides DAA in dietary protein Contains a high proportion of nitrogen in a small volume Amino Acid Dose Large doses of one or more DAA (ie arginine, glutamine) or amino acid precursors No Provides conditionally IAAs Promotes wound healing Hybrids of protein plus an amino acid dose Complete protein concentrate or collagen base plus 1 or more DAA Varies Meets protein needs and increases intake of conditionally IAAs IAA = Indispensable amino acid(s) DAA = Dispensable amino acid(s) This chart was adapted from Castellanos et al. I don't have any "evidence" that this protein supplement works or doesn't work. And the level of whey protein isolate may be enough, but without more information, I usually err on the side of caution. Jeanne Blankenship, MS RD Sacramento, CA -------------- Original message from Ciara Halpin <cmhalpin7 >: -------------- BethWe stock it and sell it and works well for those whostruggle with volume and taste of protein drinks.Tastes sweet, almost like a thick jelloI recommend they split it in 2 to maximise the proteinabsorption Ciara--- Beth Taschuk <bethhanne > wrote:> Good morning:> It looks like most RD's are recommending whey> protein isolate to their patients. I am reviewing a> supplement from a patient and the ingredients> state....> enzymatically hydrolyzed collagenic protein> isolate, whey protein isolate, and caseine protein> isolate.> The supplement is called New Whey Liquid Protein> from IDS which delivers 42 grams protein/ 3 oz> serving.> Any thoughts?> Thank you> Beth Taschuk RD> > > ---------------------------------> Looking for last minute shoppin g deals? Find them> fast with Search.__________________________________________________________Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 I've asked this question before and got some good leads, but since we're on the topic again of collagen protein and how much protein can be absorbed or utilized at one time, I'll try again... Does anyone have a good reference for the amount of protein that can be well utilized at one time? All responses are greatly appreciated. Thank you - happy Valentine's day! Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile protein supplements Good morning: It looks like most RD's are recommending whey protein isolate to their patients. I am reviewing a supplement from a patient and the ingredients state.... enzymatically hydrolyzed collagenic protein isolate, whey protein isolate, and caseine protein isolate. The supplement is called New Whey Liquid Protein from IDS which delivers 42 grams protein/ 3 oz serving. Any thoughts? Thank you Beth Taschuk RD ---------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. <http://us.rd./evt=51734/*http://tools.search./newsearch/categ\ ory.php?category=shopping> ---------------- More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM® Mail <http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aimcmp\ 00050000000001> ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 I am curious to see references on this topic as well. danaeswilley@... wrote: > I've asked this question before and got some good leads, but since we're on the topic again of collagen protein and how much protein can be absorbed or utilized at one time, I'll try again... > Does anyone have a good reference for the amount of protein that can be well utilized at one time? > > All responses are greatly appreciated. > Thank you - happy Valentine's day! > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > protein supplements > > > > > > > > Good morning: > It looks like most RD's are recommending whey protein isolate to their patients. I am reviewing a supplement from a patient and the ingredients state.... > enzymatically hydrolyzed collagenic protein isolate, whey protein isolate, and caseine protein isolate. > The supplement is called New Whey Liquid Protein from IDS which delivers 42 grams protein/ 3 oz serving. > Any thoughts? > Thank you > Beth Taschuk RD > > ---------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. <http://us.rd./evt=51734/*http://tools.search./newsearch/categ\ ory.php?category=shopping> > > > ---------------- > More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM® Mail <http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aimcmp\ 00050000000001> ! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Here's part of an atricle by International Journal of Sport Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism, 2007, 17, S58-S76 © 2007 Human Kinetics, Inc. It is worthwhile noting that Cuthbertson et al. (18) showed that an oral dose of 10 g of essential amino acids maximally stimulates muscle protein synthesis in both the young and the elderly. Because it appears that only essential amino acids are required to maximally stimulate muscle protein synthesis (84, 88), these data (18) warrant serious consideration. If we examine the essential amino acid composition of milk proteins, meat, and eggs, 10 g of essential amino acids translates to ~25 g of each of these protein sources (most high-quality proteins are 40% essential amino acids by content), which represents ~750 mL of skim (nonfat) milk, 4 or 5 eggs, or ~100 g of cooked lean beef. If we were to use these data and assume that a similar anabolic response occurs after each meal when consumed, say, 4 times per day, then a daily protein intake would be, at a minimum, 100 g to achieve the " maximal " anabolic response in a nonexercising individual. Furthermore, we have data that suggest that the dose Dietary Protein S65 of protein required to maximally stimulate muscle protein synthesis after an isolated bout of resistance exercise is similar (or possibly lower at ~8.5 g essential amino acids or ~20 g protein) to that seen at rest (D.R. and S.M. , unpub- lished observations). Thus, from the standpoint of maximally stimulating muscle protein synthesis, a dose of ~20–25 g of high-quality intact protein (such as dairy, eggs, or lean meat) appears sufficient. What is missing from these data, however, is knowledge of how the other amino acid–requiring processes highlighted as being part of optimal protein intake are stimulated by this dose of protein. Ultimately, the answer to the question of how much protein is required to, for example, support optimal immune-system function or to allow optimal flux through intermediary amino acid–requiring metabolic pathways is relatively difficult to answer directly. Thus, a default position of many athletes is to consume very large amounts of protein in the hope that this will be more than enough to satisfy the myriad of physiological processes that require dietary protein but in effect will do them little harm from an overall health perspective. However, the potential for a chronically high-protein diet to influence the metabolic fate of dietary amino acids requires consideration. For example, habitual consumption of a high-protein (1.8 g·kg–1·d–1) diet increases leucine oxidation at rest and during moderate exercise (10), demonstrating that the body adapts to relatively high protein loads by increasing the capacity for amino acid catabolism. Because the pathways for oxidative amino acid catabolism adapt to the diet and may act as the main regulator of protein stores (53, 54, 67), it is likely that habitual consumption of a high-protein diet begets the requirement for greater protein intakes. Therefore, from the standpoint of dietary sources of protein, consuming large amounts is likely to have little impact on an athlete's long-term health (see below); whether it affects performance, however, danaeswilley@... wrote: > I've asked this question before and got some good leads, but since we're on the topic again of collagen protein and how much protein can be absorbed or utilized at one time, I'll try again... > Does anyone have a good reference for the amount of protein that can be well utilized at one time? > > All responses are greatly appreciated. > Thank you - happy Valentine's day! > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > protein supplements > > > > > > > > Good morning: > It looks like most RD's are recommending whey protein isolate to their patients. I am reviewing a supplement from a patient and the ingredients state.... > enzymatically hydrolyzed collagenic protein isolate, whey protein isolate, and caseine protein isolate. > The supplement is called New Whey Liquid Protein from IDS which delivers 42 grams protein/ 3 oz serving. > Any thoughts? > Thank you > Beth Taschuk RD > > ---------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. <http://us.rd./evt=51734/*http://tools.search./newsearch/categ\ ory.php?category=shopping> > > > ---------------- > More new features than ever. Check out the new AIM® Mail <http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aimcmp\ 00050000000001> ! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 Fellow bandsters, sleevsters. Is the brand Protein 100 a good source of protein during the liquids phase? I got it at Super Supplements. I also ordered some little 2.5 to 3oz liquid protein doses on line. There is 1 that has 25g and another one that has 45g. These can be added a little at a time to clear liquids to get to the 60g/day. Loretta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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