Re: Safe Environment -winslake

October 27, 2004

Far as I can tell, the plates are worse than useless since they

create a false impression that there is no mold.

Unless they're Czapek cellulose media or cornmeal agar, Stachy won't

grow on them.

And even if you got the proper media and captured no Stachy, it still

wouldn't mean anything since it's rare to find viable airborne

Stachy - they're nonviable but still toxic.

But even if you microscopically identified nonviable Stachy it still

wouldn't necessarily correspond to toxic exposure since it tells you

nothing about Volatilized Mycotoxins emanating from colonies.

Relying on the plates can confirm the presence of mold but does

little to rule it out - especially for Stachy.

It generally does little good to tell anybody this though, since they

trust the word of the people selling the mold plates.

Very similar to the enterpreneurs selling the ozone generators.

Useless if not downright harmful.

-

October 27, 2004

Far as I can tell, the plates are worse than useless since they

create a false impression that there is no mold.

Unless they're Czapek cellulose media or cornmeal agar, Stachy won't

grow on them.

And even if you got the proper media and captured no Stachy, it still

wouldn't mean anything since it's rare to find viable airborne

Stachy - they're nonviable but still toxic.

But even if you microscopically identified nonviable Stachy it still

wouldn't necessarily correspond to toxic exposure since it tells you

nothing about Volatilized Mycotoxins emanating from colonies.

Relying on the plates can confirm the presence of mold but does

little to rule it out - especially for Stachy.

It generally does little good to tell anybody this though, since they

trust the word of the people selling the mold plates.

Very similar to the enterpreneurs selling the ozone generators.

Useless if not downright harmful.

-

October 27, 2004

I think you are right.

Ionizers can be purchased at the American Environmental Health

Foundation (www.aehf.com - may be .org) and at National Allergy

Supply (www.natlallergy.com)

winslake

> I have been reading much about ozone generators on this list and

have a

> sneaking suspicion that somewhere they got mixed up with the

beneficial ion

> generators. I would definitely avoid the ozone contraptions and

opt for an

> ion generator. I can't think of the name of the company that sells

them

> right now but they _might_ be found on " As Seen On TV " .

> Betsy

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " erik_johnson_96140 " <erikj6@e...>

> < >

> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:51 AM

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>

> <snip>

>

> > Very similar to the enterpreneurs selling the ozone generators.

> > Useless if not downright harmful.

> > -

October 27, 2004

I think you are right.

Ionizers can be purchased at the American Environmental Health

Foundation (www.aehf.com - may be .org) and at National Allergy

Supply (www.natlallergy.com)

winslake

> I have been reading much about ozone generators on this list and

have a

> sneaking suspicion that somewhere they got mixed up with the

beneficial ion

> generators. I would definitely avoid the ozone contraptions and

opt for an

> ion generator. I can't think of the name of the company that sells

them

> right now but they _might_ be found on " As Seen On TV " .

> Betsy

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " erik_johnson_96140 " <erikj6@e...>

> < >

> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 11:51 AM

> Subject: [] Re: Safe Environment -winslake

>

> <snip>

>

> > Very similar to the enterpreneurs selling the ozone generators.

> > Useless if not downright harmful.

> > -

October 27, 2004

What you say may be true but for folks who are just starting out and

suspect mold, plates are an excellent, and cost effective, way of

determining if there is ANY mold present. It might not pick up

Stachy - I don't know. The plates we buy are of high quality and do

a good job. We're different though, we've been through the huge mold

thing. Complete remediation and certification that there is no mold

in the house before moving back in - last year. We use the plates

now for monitoring. We ensure there are no moisture points in the

house.

As for mycotoxins - no plate will pick that up. If you have mold -

you have mycotoxins.

winslake

>

> Far as I can tell, the plates are worse than useless since they

> create a false impression that there is no mold.

> Unless they're Czapek cellulose media or cornmeal agar, Stachy

won't

> grow on them.

> And even if you got the proper media and captured no Stachy, it

still

> wouldn't mean anything since it's rare to find viable airborne

> Stachy - they're nonviable but still toxic.

> But even if you microscopically identified nonviable Stachy it

still

> wouldn't necessarily correspond to toxic exposure since it tells

you

> nothing about Volatilized Mycotoxins emanating from colonies.

> Relying on the plates can confirm the presence of mold but does

> little to rule it out - especially for Stachy.

> It generally does little good to tell anybody this though, since

they

> trust the word of the people selling the mold plates.

> Very similar to the enterpreneurs selling the ozone generators.

> Useless if not downright harmful.

> -

October 27, 2004