Re: significance of Farmer's Lung

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/28/2004 2:57:58 PM Pacific Standard Time,

snk1955@... writes:

Could it possibly be that buildings have a direct

monetary value attached to their habitability and outdoor air does not?

Sharon, you hit the nail on the head - as we all are learning - the

economics of mold is keeping this issue from being addressed. There is no

benefit to

dealing with it - for big business. We, the victims, are simply disposed of -

or so they thought. But they didn't reckon with who they were allowing to be

poisoned. We aren't going to take it - we need to get through to the public

with books, magazine articles, movies, major media - and keep demanding till

we have made our points fully. I still think that those companies who made

the defective materials that mold in homes - the sheetrock and insulation, need

to be taken to task for this and stopped from producing more like it. If

building materials like sheetrock can't hold up under inevitable leaks and

condensation, they shouldn't be in buildings. Period. Like holding the tobacco

companies liable. Takes time but we can do it. Homeowners, you can begin!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/28/2004 2:57:58 PM Pacific Standard Time,

snk1955@... writes:

Could it possibly be that buildings have a direct

monetary value attached to their habitability and outdoor air does not?

Sharon, you hit the nail on the head - as we all are learning - the

economics of mold is keeping this issue from being addressed. There is no

benefit to

dealing with it - for big business. We, the victims, are simply disposed of -

or so they thought. But they didn't reckon with who they were allowing to be

poisoned. We aren't going to take it - we need to get through to the public

with books, magazine articles, movies, major media - and keep demanding till

we have made our points fully. I still think that those companies who made

the defective materials that mold in homes - the sheetrock and insulation, need

to be taken to task for this and stopped from producing more like it. If

building materials like sheetrock can't hold up under inevitable leaks and

condensation, they shouldn't be in buildings. Period. Like holding the tobacco

companies liable. Takes time but we can do it. Homeowners, you can begin!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/28/2004 7:00:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,

nomoreschoolmold@... writes:

still think that those companies who made

the defective materials that mold in homes - the sheetrock and insulation,

need

to be taken to task for this and stopped from producing more like it. If

building materials like sheetrock can't hold up under inevitable leaks and

condensation, they shouldn't be in buildings. Period. Like holding the

tobacco

companies liable. Takes time but we can do it. Homeowners, you can begin!

Hey ,

You are right. These guys do need to understand their financial liability of

knowingly exposing us to health hazards from their production of fungal

growth promoting materials. They do already understand somewhat. That's why

they

lobby so hard for the NIH and cronies to downplay our devastating illnesses

from the situation. There is so much medical corruption out there on this

subject, it will make you sick! (pun)

In order to get these industries to stop killing us for profit, we first have

to get the doctors to break away from the sirens of wealth and follow their

Hippocratic oath. If the doctors would acknowledge we are sick, then the

industries can't hide behind the doctors pretended ignorance on the subject

anymore.

And if they can't hide anymore, buildings would be built properly.

You know the real irony to the situation? By trying to pretend we are not

sick, these industries are perpetuating the problem and costing themselves much

more money in the long run. By promoting that our primary care physicians be

kept stupid on the subject and not treat us, we are being allowed to become

much sicker than we would with early diagnostics, treatment and prevention. The

sicker we get, the more THEY pay. The monetary cost of doing a

remediation/construction right in the first place is minimal compared to what

they end up

paying when they try to do it cheap. Because they then get sued and they have to

do it again along with paying our medical bills, attorney fees and litigation

costs, punitive damages, etc.

The only two industries that are profiting tremendously from this ludicrous

situation are the lawyers that defend and lobby for big industry and the

medical community that runs all those expensive, useless tests on us and then

provides us with those useless prescriptions.

So the people who own, build, sell and insure buildings are letting

themselves get financially screwed by those they are paying to screw us! Tell

me

again, why would big business not want to acknowledge mold makes ya sick!? Maybe

they just like to...or never mind.lol

Sharon

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/28/2004 7:00:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,

nomoreschoolmold@... writes:

still think that those companies who made

the defective materials that mold in homes - the sheetrock and insulation,

need

to be taken to task for this and stopped from producing more like it. If

building materials like sheetrock can't hold up under inevitable leaks and

condensation, they shouldn't be in buildings. Period. Like holding the

tobacco

companies liable. Takes time but we can do it. Homeowners, you can begin!

Hey ,

You are right. These guys do need to understand their financial liability of

knowingly exposing us to health hazards from their production of fungal

growth promoting materials. They do already understand somewhat. That's why

they

lobby so hard for the NIH and cronies to downplay our devastating illnesses

from the situation. There is so much medical corruption out there on this

subject, it will make you sick! (pun)

In order to get these industries to stop killing us for profit, we first have

to get the doctors to break away from the sirens of wealth and follow their

Hippocratic oath. If the doctors would acknowledge we are sick, then the

industries can't hide behind the doctors pretended ignorance on the subject

anymore.

And if they can't hide anymore, buildings would be built properly.

You know the real irony to the situation? By trying to pretend we are not

sick, these industries are perpetuating the problem and costing themselves much

more money in the long run. By promoting that our primary care physicians be

kept stupid on the subject and not treat us, we are being allowed to become

much sicker than we would with early diagnostics, treatment and prevention. The

sicker we get, the more THEY pay. The monetary cost of doing a

remediation/construction right in the first place is minimal compared to what

they end up

paying when they try to do it cheap. Because they then get sued and they have to

do it again along with paying our medical bills, attorney fees and litigation

costs, punitive damages, etc.

The only two industries that are profiting tremendously from this ludicrous

situation are the lawyers that defend and lobby for big industry and the

medical community that runs all those expensive, useless tests on us and then

provides us with those useless prescriptions.

So the people who own, build, sell and insure buildings are letting

themselves get financially screwed by those they are paying to screw us! Tell

me

again, why would big business not want to acknowledge mold makes ya sick!? Maybe

they just like to...or never mind.lol

Sharon

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/28/2004 8:24:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,

snk1955@... writes:

Tell me

again, why would big business not want to acknowledge mold makes ya sick!?

The reason: then they couldn't keep producing the materials that our

buildings are constructed of - their easy profit with no accountability. When

was

Georgia Pacific last sued for its sheetrock that has paper covering it on both

sides? Etc. Those are the companies I speak of. The suppliers for the

building industry.

They want us to just go off and die, quietly, if possible. Not a chance!

SB

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/28/2004 8:24:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,

snk1955@... writes:

Tell me

again, why would big business not want to acknowledge mold makes ya sick!?

The reason: then they couldn't keep producing the materials that our

buildings are constructed of - their easy profit with no accountability. When

was

Georgia Pacific last sued for its sheetrock that has paper covering it on both

sides? Etc. Those are the companies I speak of. The suppliers for the

building industry.

They want us to just go off and die, quietly, if possible. Not a chance!

SB

[Guest guest]

Sharon --

Do ya think? Do you really think it's really all being driven by money?

This is crazy conspiracy talk! Please stop making these inflammatory

posts and take your Prozac.

Also, please continue to pay your mortgage. Thank you.

Signed

The Federal Health Administration, i.e: NIH, NAS, CDC, EPA, ACOEM,

IoM, etc, etc....

PS: Sharon is getting very close to the meat of the issue, and all of

this will come to light very soon if we accept her leadership and

begin to make connections within our own experiences.

File posts from SNK1955, they will be collectors items soon.

Lee

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> A clarification regarding the significance to us regarding Farmer's

Lung.

> It has nothing to do with ever having lived on a farm, visited a

farm or even

> slept with a farmer! The point is that Farmer's Lung is a known and

well

> studied hypersensitivity reaction to mold. In it's initial stages

it is

> hypersensitivity pneumonitus. (breathing difficulties). In it's

later stages, it can

> exhibit type III and type IV Hypersensitivity symptoms. (See Merck

Manual)

> Type III Hypersensitivity has to do with immune complexes. (These

are all

> the weird serious symptoms we are exhibiting from fungal exposure).

>

> So the point is: They acknowledge Farmer's Lung is caused by

exposure to

> fungi.

> They acknowledge Farmer's Lung causes serious

> hypersensitivity illnesses.

> They acknowledge farmers should avoid mold

from

> enclosed spaces.(silos)

>

> They interchange the term Farmer's Lung

with the

> term Hypersensitivity

> Pneumonitis.

>

> They also acknowledge people exposed to

molds in

> their enclosed homes,

> schools and office buildings get

Hypersensitivity

> Pneumonitis,

> which is Farmer's Lung,

> which causes known serious immune system complications.

>

> So how is it possible that they are able to dispute that we are

gravely ill

> from molds in our ENCLOSED homes, offices and schools, when it is well

> documented we get the same symptoms that farmers get when they are

exposed to molds

> in their ENCLOSED silos? How are they getting away with feigning

lack of

> knowledge of mycotic illness from fungal exposure indoors? They

have VAST

> amounts of knowledge about mycotic illness from fungal exposure

everywhere else

> on this planet EXCEPT from our homes, our office buildings and our

schools.

> How is that logical? Could it possibly be that buildings have a

direct

> monetary value attached to their habitability and outdoor air does

not? I think we

> are witnessing a whole new meaning to the term " political science " !

> Sharon

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sharon --

Do ya think? Do you really think it's really all being driven by money?

This is crazy conspiracy talk! Please stop making these inflammatory

posts and take your Prozac.

Also, please continue to pay your mortgage. Thank you.

Signed

The Federal Health Administration, i.e: NIH, NAS, CDC, EPA, ACOEM,

IoM, etc, etc....

PS: Sharon is getting very close to the meat of the issue, and all of

this will come to light very soon if we accept her leadership and

begin to make connections within our own experiences.

File posts from SNK1955, they will be collectors items soon.

Lee

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> A clarification regarding the significance to us regarding Farmer's

Lung.

> It has nothing to do with ever having lived on a farm, visited a

farm or even

> slept with a farmer! The point is that Farmer's Lung is a known and

well

> studied hypersensitivity reaction to mold. In it's initial stages

it is

> hypersensitivity pneumonitus. (breathing difficulties). In it's

later stages, it can

> exhibit type III and type IV Hypersensitivity symptoms. (See Merck

Manual)

> Type III Hypersensitivity has to do with immune complexes. (These

are all

> the weird serious symptoms we are exhibiting from fungal exposure).

>

> So the point is: They acknowledge Farmer's Lung is caused by

exposure to

> fungi.

> They acknowledge Farmer's Lung causes serious

> hypersensitivity illnesses.

> They acknowledge farmers should avoid mold

from

> enclosed spaces.(silos)

>

> They interchange the term Farmer's Lung

with the

> term Hypersensitivity

> Pneumonitis.

>

> They also acknowledge people exposed to

molds in

> their enclosed homes,

> schools and office buildings get

Hypersensitivity

> Pneumonitis,

> which is Farmer's Lung,

> which causes known serious immune system complications.

>

> So how is it possible that they are able to dispute that we are

gravely ill

> from molds in our ENCLOSED homes, offices and schools, when it is well

> documented we get the same symptoms that farmers get when they are

exposed to molds

> in their ENCLOSED silos? How are they getting away with feigning

lack of

> knowledge of mycotic illness from fungal exposure indoors? They

have VAST

> amounts of knowledge about mycotic illness from fungal exposure

everywhere else

> on this planet EXCEPT from our homes, our office buildings and our

schools.

> How is that logical? Could it possibly be that buildings have a

direct

> monetary value attached to their habitability and outdoor air does

not? I think we

> are witnessing a whole new meaning to the term " political science " !

> Sharon

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/28/2004 8:56:01 PM Pacific Standard Time,

nomoreschoolmold@... writes:

They want us to just go off and die, quietly, if possible. Not a chance!

SB

You are right again. But we are not going to quietly go off and die. So...

eventually some accountant will look at this somewhere and explain to these

idiots how they are creating their own problems. Put the problem in terms of

dollars and they will come to understand that it is cheaper to acknowledge we

are sick. Cheaper to encourage that the doctors be taught how to treat us

properly in our early stages of illness. The less sick we get, the less their

financial liabilities. Cheaper to do it right in the first place. By fighting

this and not acknowledging we are sick, they are just costing themselves much

more money in the long run. And they are killing us in the process. I have no

plans of going away until this problem is solved!

Sharon