Re: I've had it, too/update from Dr D.

December 28, 2004

I just got a call from Dr D who had a very nice Christmas for the

first time since '97 - finally got on top of the " power curve " of

mold avoidance and refused to go to her parents moldy house.

But the really interesting news is that one of her co-workers from

the moldy dental office, the one who told her " We're not buying it

about that mold nonsense from your crazy friend " , has been diagnosed

with Depression, skin problems that doesn't respond to treatment,

Fibromyalgia and just had a stroke. Can no longer work.

Dr D had tried to warn her because when SHE was suffering from the

mold plumes acting up, she could see that this gal was having the

same type of response at the same time. Dr D was stunned to have her

information refused and ridiculed and even tried to tell her " But you

have the same complaints " but the concept was totally rejected.

Pretty bad news for a 30 year old with two young children.

And the doctors can't figure out what is wrong with her!

But there's no pulling the wool over HER eyes, We're not going to

trick her with this " mold madness " - No Sir!

After the way she treated Dr D, I'm finding it a trifle difficult to

generate the level of sympathy I would normally feel.

Now let's see if she can get her butt out of this mess.

-

December 28, 2004

I just got a call from Dr D who had a very nice Christmas for the

first time since '97 - finally got on top of the " power curve " of

mold avoidance and refused to go to her parents moldy house.

But the really interesting news is that one of her co-workers from

the moldy dental office, the one who told her " We're not buying it

about that mold nonsense from your crazy friend " , has been diagnosed

with Depression, skin problems that doesn't respond to treatment,

Fibromyalgia and just had a stroke. Can no longer work.

Dr D had tried to warn her because when SHE was suffering from the

mold plumes acting up, she could see that this gal was having the

same type of response at the same time. Dr D was stunned to have her

information refused and ridiculed and even tried to tell her " But you

have the same complaints " but the concept was totally rejected.

Pretty bad news for a 30 year old with two young children.

And the doctors can't figure out what is wrong with her!

But there's no pulling the wool over HER eyes, We're not going to

trick her with this " mold madness " - No Sir!

After the way she treated Dr D, I'm finding it a trifle difficult to

generate the level of sympathy I would normally feel.

Now let's see if she can get her butt out of this mess.

-

December 29, 2004

What I wrote to my senators. The Portsmouth Naval Shipyard is trying to

malign me.

Janet

Honorable Senators and Congressmen,

This is Janet s again. Sick from Toxic Mold at the Portsmouth Naval

Shipyard and fighting Federal Workmen's Comp.

You are helping them win. No one is fighting for me on this. I have just

about had it and give up. My daughter has to get her teeth fixed so that

means I dont buy groceries for two weeks and pay my rent.

The Portsmouth Naval Shipyard spent 700,000 dollars to clean that

basement with hazmat suits and respirators. I sit in my apartment day after day

with my aircleaners. I wear masks if I have to leave and go into most

buildings.

Would you want your daughter to be living this way? Receiving 400

dollars a month for retirement? My parents dont. I am starting to feel as if I

might as well not even be here. I am getting no help in sight and cannot face a

life of trying to live this way. I have been asking for help for two years. I

know you have influence with Workmen's Comp. Its the Federal Government. How

can you stand by and watch someone go down the tubes sick when its OK to clean

with hazmat suits and be covered up? And the report done a year earlier? And

was hidden? That's OK too? That man who hid that has no repercussions?

Seems Im the only one with the repercussions and I cant take much

more of it.Im due Workmen's Comp. They are asking for a doctors results that

they KNOW ALREADY doesn't believe people get sick from mold. How long will I be

tortured by them?

Within a few weeks I will be on the street and my daughter will

have to drop out of school. THIS IS WHAT I GET FOR serving for the federal

government for 16 years? And getting sick there?

And I thought we lived in America and people who make the laws

care. I guess not.

Janet s

December 29, 2004

In a message dated 12/29/2004 6:42:24 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Gingersnap1964@... writes:

Within a few weeks I will be on the street and my daughter will

have to drop out of school.

Janet:

Your daughter can apply for federal Pell grants and loans - I did that when

my father lost his job just before I went to college. Have her go to her

college advisor re: the financial emergency.

Apply for SSI, think strongly about getting out of a humid area - and order

Shoemaker's packet.

You need a WC attorney. Do you have one?

Sue

December 29, 2004

kathryn miller ...> wrote:

> Some people dont really want to hear the truth!! I had a woman,

she is a lab tech. and I had gone in for my 20 vials of blood to be

withdrawn, so that Drs could say they had no clue what was wrong with

me.<

All of us who survived the 1985 Incline Village CFS epidemic sure

recognize the " 20 vials of blood " scenario.

After I had my " Damnit, it's the mold " argument with Dr and

bailed out of his ampligen program to pursue mycotoxin avoidance, I

was sitting in Sierra Nevada Labs where he sends people for blood

workups (with those 20 vials) and getting moldslammed from their

clothing as they walked by. Of course none of them wanted to hear

anything about mold.

But one guy came in carrying his teenage daughter who couldn't even

stand up without help. As they walked by, I got the strongest " hits "

from anyone I felt so far. Their car was obviously contaminated

since the girl started to recover somewhat as she sat in the waiting

area. Yup - she was a CFSer!

After the " 20 vials " were filled and they were leaving, I stopped

them outside in the parking lot and said " I know this sounds crazy,

but I have become hypersensitive to a specific mold which I can feel

very strongly from your clothing. Will you allow me to do a test? "

and they agreed, looking amused and bewildered at my weirdness. So I

walked around them at a distance until I got downwind of them and

felt slammed. Then I walked right in between them and got MAJOR

slammed, and said " Ok, that's good enough " . So I wrote down the

name " Stachybotrys " and my phone number on a scrap of paper and

handed it to them.

I said " Please just do a computer search and compare your symptoms

and tell me what you think. Avoidance of this particular mold has

made the difference between lying helpless in bed and climbing

mountains for me, and I can definitely feel it on your clothes " .

As you suspect, I got no call, but my Karma is good - I gave it a

shot.

Oh, and if Biff is reading this, then he must know about the Teacher

cluster at North Tahoe High school who were dropped by a colony of

Stachy " about the circumference of a baseball " . Their fellow NT

teachers call them fakers, hypochondriacs and malingerers who just

want to " take advantage of the system and live the life of luxury on

a disability check " - yeah, right!, and perhaps you guys on this

board know that the famous Teacher Cluster at Truckee High school

that got the whole CFS thing going was in a conference room that was

found to have Stachy. We put this info on the board a few years ago

but nobody seems to find out what causes CFS.

http://infoventures.com/osh/abs/sbs0001.html

So now all of you people know about the Stachy asociation with CFS.

Of course, Dr knows it too, because I told him in 1998, but

he's decided not to let his patients in on the secret.

Very strange behavior for a doctor who " cares " about his patients.

I can't figure it out.

-

December 29, 2004

Janet,

I read your letter and thought the following. Remember I'm on your side.

You have stated that the symptoms you currently display are the result of

exposure during your work in an area subsequently decontaminated by a Hazmat

team.

This statement is dynamite and any real response would open a door to

extensive litigation by you and work colleagues. It would also open he door

for extensive other claims by people with similar working experience and

possible case law being established. It may even lead to recrimination of

authorities or those that buried the initial report or risk assessment.

Bottom line is no winners except the lawyers and only a fool would take on

the government. Despite all our belief; common sense etc, there has still

not, to my knowledge been a single court judgement or proof that mold is

harmful or indeed was the culprit of an illness.

My approach would be to my past employers, OSHA , EPA and Union if you were

a member. Mark all correspondence CC.

Dear Sirs,

I have worked for 16 years at the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard. During my stay

there I have developed various illness and symptoms which may be linked to

chemical exposure and MCS. multiple chemical sensitivity.

Prior to my leaving this employment, a Hazmat team undertook a

decontamination to the area in which I worked. on a contract valued to my

information of $700,000, clearly a hazard and risk existed and I believe I

may be suffering the consequence of exposure during my work in the area pre

decontamination.

As I have been unable to work for the past (years?) due to debilitating

chemical sensitivity I have claimed workers compensation.

Unfortunately despite my fulfilling all obligations regarding the claim I

have as yet, not received any notification, or indeed acceptance of my

claim.

As I am currently totally disabled due to this potential exposure, I would

appreciate your appraisal and recommendations as to my way forward to reach

a speedy conclusion or route to satisfaction.

Sincerely

Hope it helps

Jeff in London

Jeff Charlton

-----Original Message-----

From: Gingersnap1964@... [mailto:Gingersnap1964@...]

Sent: 29 December 2004 15:36

Subject: Re: [] Re: I've had it, too/update from Dr D.

What I wrote to my senators. The Portsmouth Naval Shipyard is trying to

malign me.

Janet

Honorable Senators and Congressmen,

This is Janet s again. Sick from Toxic Mold at the Portsmouth Naval

Shipyard and fighting Federal Workmen's Comp.

You are helping them win. No one is fighting for me on this. I have

just

about had it and give up. My daughter has to get her teeth fixed so that

means I dont buy groceries for two weeks and pay my rent.

The Portsmouth Naval Shipyard spent 700,000 dollars to clean that

basement with hazmat suits and respirators. I sit in my apartment day after

day

with my aircleaners. I wear masks if I have to leave and go into most

buildings.

Would you want your daughter to be living this way? Receiving 400

dollars a month for retirement? My parents dont. I am starting to feel as if

I

might as well not even be here. I am getting no help in sight and cannot

face a

life of trying to live this way. I have been asking for help for two years.

I

know you have influence with Workmen's Comp. Its the Federal Government. How

can you stand by and watch someone go down the tubes sick when its OK to

clean

with hazmat suits and be covered up? And the report done a year earlier? And

was hidden? That's OK too? That man who hid that has no repercussions?

Seems Im the only one with the repercussions and I cant take much

more of it.Im due Workmen's Comp. They are asking for a doctors results that

they KNOW ALREADY doesn't believe people get sick from mold. How long will I

be

tortured by them?

Within a few weeks I will be on the street and my daughter will

have to drop out of school. THIS IS WHAT I GET FOR serving for the federal

government for 16 years? And getting sick there?

And I thought we lived in America and people who make the

laws

care. I guess not.

Janet s

December 29, 2004

In a message dated 12/29/2004 4:38:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,

j-charlton@... writes:

there has still

not, to my knowledge been a single court judgement or proof that mold is

harmful or indeed was the culprit of an illness.

Not so - Dr. Shoemaker connects it successfully all the time...

www.chronicneurotoxins.com

December 29, 2004

As I understand it, there was also a court case in Michigan this year that a

judgment was entered as " exposure to mycotoxins " Have not seen the

paperwork on this, but believe it to be true.

December 30, 2004

I may stand to be corrected but has Dr Shoemaker provided evidence to a

court that has resulted in compensation in a litigation case?

This is where a court will listen to his expert testimony and award a

plaintiff with compensation directly against illness which can only be

attributable to mold? I am quite sure the doctor will and can deduce ample

evidence or diagnosis that mold may have caused symptoms and he may even

suggest has caused illness but that is not evidence or substantiated. A

court needs independent substantiation and that will take a shift in

research, science which will take years.

Remember that smoking tobacco has been believed to cause cancer for decades

but has only recently been proven in court and that to a minimum where the

tobacco industry will argue that a smoking cancer sufferer may have

developed the disease from environmental or genetic factors. The same can be

said about asbestos which use or import was only banned in the US and UK in

the last decade. Only now are the manufacturers and suppliers being held to

be liable.

Regards

Jeff Charlton

In London

00 44 (0)8700 789 999

-----Original Message-----

From: nomoreschoolmold@... [mailto:nomoreschoolmold@...]

Sent: 30 December 2004 03:42

Subject: Re: [] Re: I've had it, too/update from Dr D.

In a message dated 12/29/2004 4:38:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,

j-charlton@... writes:

there has still

not, to my knowledge been a single court judgement or proof that mold is

harmful or indeed was the culprit of an illness.

Not so - Dr. Shoemaker connects it successfully all the time...

www.chronicneurotoxins.com

December 30, 2004

In a message dated 12/30/2004 6:32:05 AM Pacific Standard Time,