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Penny, You just come here and ramble anytime you want. Sometimes that's a

good thing, you gotta get it out somewhere. You know, I heard that it is

better to write down your feelings and free your insides cause it is harmful

to keep things bottled up.

So, from one rambler to another,

Have a good day.

Judy in Indy

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Hello, Penny! Thanks for letting us know how you are doing. Sounds like

you are making terrific progress on several fronts.

I'm sorry to hear about your cycle of pain though. Did you tell your

doctor that you feel very bad by day three?

It's great that you are getting out and about with the help of your new

walker and that your insurance is going to pay for more of it. Way to go

with your letter of complaint!

Your success with your weight-loss surgery is wonderful. We have several

members who would probably like to hear more details about it if you

care to share more specifics.

Nothing wrong with having high expectations! Keep working toward your

goals - you are well on your way.

[ ] my 2 cents

> I havent posted for a bit, but read daily. My arthritis seems to stay

> about the same, going in a 3 day cycle with my morphine patch. Great

> day one and two, crappy by day three! But that said, I have a new

> walker, the fancy kind with 4 wheels, handbrakes, a basket in front

> and a place to sit. It is a lifesaver! If anyone has thought about

> it, it is definately worth it. My HMO would only pay 70.00 toward

> the purchase (they thought a conventional walker would do), even

> though I have 80% coverage on med. equip. But after a letter

> complaining, they agreed to foot the bill, so another 130.00 coming

> my way! It has really allowed me to get out and about again. When I

> poop out, I can sit for a bit without the panic of finding a chair.

> I can go to the park with my 4 year old bundle of energy, and when

> shopping, she loves to hop up and sit on the seat with her feet in

> the basket!

> I dont know how some of you do it. After a full day at work, I often

> need to lay down for an hour to get a second wind. My husband does

> the majority of the household cleaning and cooking, and I would be

> lost without him! My energy level is soo low somedays. I take b12

> shots once a month and supplement with sublingual tabs, but am still

> too pooped to party alot of them time.

> I had weight loss surgery 6 months ago and have lost nearly 200

> pounds, and am so much more mobile and healthy than before, but maybe

> my expectations are too high...I want it all and I want it now!!

> I think of you all daily, even if I dont post, you are all in my

> prayers.

> Thanks for letting me ramble on...

> Penny in Portland Oregon

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There is a lot of marketing hoopla about air filters that do not

hold up in real world application. Our company is in the business

of indoor air quality, and knows the answer is not always as simple

as 'bringing in outdoor' air, positive pressure, or air cleaning

gizmos. The 'building matrix' offers a bunch of factors that can be

causing indoor air quality issues.

What I do want to offer those on this board is that we offer

clients, when appropriate the best technology that 'works' in most

situations. We know it works from experience and before and after

air quality testing on 9 different factors. It does not produce

ozone, is not a media filter, and has proven to be effective in a

variety of real world home and commercial settings to be effective

at significantly reducing airborne particulate counts, greatly

reducing VOC levels and reducing odors. When/if there were

something better we would be the first ones to use/recommend it.

This technology does have an ionization effect, however it does not

produce ozone. It is uses a process of photohydroionization - with

a quad metallic cage that renders friendly oxidizers into the air,

which revert voc's and other pollutants to simple compounds like

hydrogen or oxygen. It actually sends these oxidizers throughout

the building and can take a week or longer to reach it's potential.

During this time of oxidation you sometimes smell something like

ozone, but it usually dissappears after a few days. You may also

notice a lot of dust for the first few weeks, as it causing larger

particulates to drop out of the air - which you remove with HEPA vac

or wet dusting.

Do a search on web if you like - photohydroionization - you will

find suppliers - but make sure it is the 'quad metallic' type and

for allergy sensitive individuals I suggest you 'oversize' the unit

for your space. You can get whole house or smaller units. You will

also find it to be much less expensive that other units that do not

work anyway. Good Luck.

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In a message dated 12/3/2004 11:01:58 PM Central Standard Time,

fletch_8@... writes:

> http://lennox.com/pdfs/brochures/Lennox%20PureAir%20Filter.pdf

>

Hi Fletch and everyone,

Do you know...is the Lennox system similar to the Sanuvox system? Is one

better than the other? Also...are there any prices online for the Lennox system

anywhere? The Sanuvoxes are spendy - but I'm sure they probably all are. I

just want to make sure I'm getting the right one before I put any money towards

it.

Thanks!

ML

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In a message dated 12/3/2004 11:01:58 PM Central Standard Time,

fletch_8@... writes:

> http://lennox.com/pdfs/brochures/Lennox%20PureAir%20Filter.pdf

>

Hi Fletch and everyone,

Do you know...is the Lennox system similar to the Sanuvox system? Is one

better than the other? Also...are there any prices online for the Lennox system

anywhere? The Sanuvoxes are spendy - but I'm sure they probably all are. I

just want to make sure I'm getting the right one before I put any money towards

it.

Thanks!

ML

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Is this another snake oil remedy? Instead of telling us to do a search,

how about explaining in a little better detail just what is happening other

than extraction of money from customers' wallets.

You make the statement " a quad metallic cage that renders friendly

oxidizers into the air " . Just what are those friendly oxidizers. Oxygen

itself is an oxidizer. Ozone is an oxidizer. So are certain nitrogen oxides

and chlorine oxides. Just what is your friendly oxidizer?

You continue that sentence with " which revert voc's and other pollutants

to simple compounds like

hydrogen or oxygen " . By definition, VOC's are carbon containing organics.

Thus more than harmless hydrogen and oxygen are created. I fear this is

another charlatan trying to exploit people when they are most vulnerable. If

I am wrong, I would appreciate a more detailed explanation than the sales

pitch you gave a few days ago.

Gil

Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:35:44 -0000

From: " thomas_hammack " <t.hammack@...>

Subject: My 2 cents

There is a lot of marketing hoopla about air filters that do not

hold up in real world application. Our company is in the business

of indoor air quality, and knows the answer is not always as simple

as 'bringing in outdoor' air, positive pressure, or air cleaning

gizmos. The 'building matrix' offers a bunch of factors that can be

causing indoor air quality issues.

What I do want to offer those on this board is that we offer

clients, when appropriate the best technology that 'works' in most

situations. We know it works from experience and before and after

air quality testing on 9 different factors. It does not produce

ozone, is not a media filter, and has proven to be effective in a

variety of real world home and commercial settings to be effective

at significantly reducing airborne particulate counts, greatly

reducing VOC levels and reducing odors. When/if there were

something better we would be the first ones to use/recommend it.

This technology does have an ionization effect, however it does not

produce ozone. It is uses a process of photohydroionization - with

a quad metallic cage that renders friendly oxidizers into the air,

which revert voc's and other pollutants to simple compounds like

hydrogen or oxygen. It actually sends these oxidizers throughout

the building and can take a week or longer to reach it's potential.

During this time of oxidation you sometimes smell something like

ozone, but it usually dissappears after a few days. You may also

notice a lot of dust for the first few weeks, as it causing larger

particulates to drop out of the air - which you remove with HEPA vac

or wet dusting.

Do a search on web if you like - photohydroionization - you will

find suppliers - but make sure it is the 'quad metallic' type and

for allergy sensitive individuals I suggest you 'oversize' the unit

for your space. You can get whole house or smaller units. You will

also find it to be much less expensive that other units that do not

work anyway. Good Luck.

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Is this another snake oil remedy? Instead of telling us to do a search,

how about explaining in a little better detail just what is happening other

than extraction of money from customers' wallets.

You make the statement " a quad metallic cage that renders friendly

oxidizers into the air " . Just what are those friendly oxidizers. Oxygen

itself is an oxidizer. Ozone is an oxidizer. So are certain nitrogen oxides

and chlorine oxides. Just what is your friendly oxidizer?

You continue that sentence with " which revert voc's and other pollutants

to simple compounds like

hydrogen or oxygen " . By definition, VOC's are carbon containing organics.

Thus more than harmless hydrogen and oxygen are created. I fear this is

another charlatan trying to exploit people when they are most vulnerable. If

I am wrong, I would appreciate a more detailed explanation than the sales

pitch you gave a few days ago.

Gil

Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:35:44 -0000

From: " thomas_hammack " <t.hammack@...>

Subject: My 2 cents

There is a lot of marketing hoopla about air filters that do not

hold up in real world application. Our company is in the business

of indoor air quality, and knows the answer is not always as simple

as 'bringing in outdoor' air, positive pressure, or air cleaning

gizmos. The 'building matrix' offers a bunch of factors that can be

causing indoor air quality issues.

What I do want to offer those on this board is that we offer

clients, when appropriate the best technology that 'works' in most

situations. We know it works from experience and before and after

air quality testing on 9 different factors. It does not produce

ozone, is not a media filter, and has proven to be effective in a

variety of real world home and commercial settings to be effective

at significantly reducing airborne particulate counts, greatly

reducing VOC levels and reducing odors. When/if there were

something better we would be the first ones to use/recommend it.

This technology does have an ionization effect, however it does not

produce ozone. It is uses a process of photohydroionization - with

a quad metallic cage that renders friendly oxidizers into the air,

which revert voc's and other pollutants to simple compounds like

hydrogen or oxygen. It actually sends these oxidizers throughout

the building and can take a week or longer to reach it's potential.

During this time of oxidation you sometimes smell something like

ozone, but it usually dissappears after a few days. You may also

notice a lot of dust for the first few weeks, as it causing larger

particulates to drop out of the air - which you remove with HEPA vac

or wet dusting.

Do a search on web if you like - photohydroionization - you will

find suppliers - but make sure it is the 'quad metallic' type and

for allergy sensitive individuals I suggest you 'oversize' the unit

for your space. You can get whole house or smaller units. You will

also find it to be much less expensive that other units that do not

work anyway. Good Luck.

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Hi Gill,

I did the search and found this, I think it is what he was talking

about:

http://www.inspiredliving.com/airpurifiers/photohydroionizationcell.h

tm

I installed a pure air system from Lennox, it was one of the major

reasons for going with their brand. It has UV lights which shine on

a metal (titanium?) catalyst and produces similar hydroxyl radicals

to remove VOCs. Lennox would be mainstream so the technology is

real.

http://lennox.com/pdfs/brochures/Lennox%20PureAir%20Filter.pdf

Fletch

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Hi Gill,

I did the search and found this, I think it is what he was talking

about:

http://www.inspiredliving.com/airpurifiers/photohydroionizationcell.h

tm

I installed a pure air system from Lennox, it was one of the major

reasons for going with their brand. It has UV lights which shine on

a metal (titanium?) catalyst and produces similar hydroxyl radicals

to remove VOCs. Lennox would be mainstream so the technology is

real.

http://lennox.com/pdfs/brochures/Lennox%20PureAir%20Filter.pdf

Fletch

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