Re: Re: Trying to keep up.

[Guest guest]

Yes he was evil. He made you feel hopefull then dumped you. Where is the

help? Why does everyone invcluding the federal government in my case get away

with

literally murder, suicide and lifelong horrible health problems??I hope this

is soon to change. I couldnt find a lawyer. No one will touch federal.

Janet

[Guest guest]

Yes he was evil. He made you feel hopefull then dumped you. Where is the

help? Why does everyone invcluding the federal government in my case get away

with

literally murder, suicide and lifelong horrible health problems??I hope this

is soon to change. I couldnt find a lawyer. No one will touch federal.

Janet

[Guest guest]

Is this as in FLETCHER JONES?

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, erik_johnson_96140 wrote:

> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 04:44:45 -0000

> From: erik_johnson_96140 <erikj6@...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: [] Re: Trying to keep up.

>

>

> When I was at the point where Dr told me " most people with

> CFS commit suicide " , I knew that it was going to take something

> drastic to get me out of this.

> I knew that all my stuff was slamming me to death so I decided to get

> away from EVERYTHING.

> Part of this was to get a different truck (for my

> camper/desert/avoidance scheme)

> So I went to dealers and found a used truck that didn't feel too

> horrible to me - I was so chemically sensitive that I couldn't even

> get near the new ones.

> When I found one and went inside and made the deal, they took the

> truck out to be cleaned and sprayed it with " new car smell " .

> It almost killed me.

> I couldn't stand to drive the truck with all the windows open and

> wind blazing through at fifty miles an hour.

> I took it back and asked to be let out of the deal because they had

> altered the truck after I bought it in a manner that was damaging to

> me. They accused me of buyers remorse and refused.

> I demonstrated that if I got within ten feet of the truck, I would

> turn bright red. They could see that I wasn't kidding but they

> didn't care.

> I begged and pleaded but they just said " Tough " .

> There was no way I could drive that truck, my eyes went cross and I

> would get brainfogged so bad I barely knew which side of the road I

> was supposed to be on.

> Someone told me about a lawyer who " handled MCS cases " so I called

> and had the same experience as Lori. After hearing my story, he

> laughed and said that he was the guy that the dealers call when they

> need to destroy " people like you " . He outlined exactly how he was

> going to demolish me if I took this to court. He said that for

> every " quack doctor " I produced to back me up, he could bring in ten

> specialists who can " prove " that MCS doesn't exist except in the

> minds of lunatics and the crazy doctors who spent so much time

> listening to their patients that they actualy started to believe this

> nonsense. He said " My professional advice to you is to drop it. You

> don't have the money or the science behind you and you don't have a

> chance in hell of winning " .

> So I was forced to trade in that truck on another used piece of crap

> that was on the lot that had outgassed enough not to bother me too

> much.

> I lost fifteen thousand dollars instantly because they sprayed the

> truck with chemicals and they had absolutely no mercy whatsoever even

> though they could see with their own eyes that I would have a visible

> response to the " new car smell " or any of the new offgassing vehicles.

> This was JONES WEST FORD in RENO!!

> Damn them all to Hell.

> If only I could " give " this problem to anyone....

> -

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Is this as in FLETCHER JONES?

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, erik_johnson_96140 wrote:

> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 04:44:45 -0000

> From: erik_johnson_96140 <erikj6@...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: [] Re: Trying to keep up.

>

>

> When I was at the point where Dr told me " most people with

> CFS commit suicide " , I knew that it was going to take something

> drastic to get me out of this.

> I knew that all my stuff was slamming me to death so I decided to get

> away from EVERYTHING.

> Part of this was to get a different truck (for my

> camper/desert/avoidance scheme)

> So I went to dealers and found a used truck that didn't feel too

> horrible to me - I was so chemically sensitive that I couldn't even

> get near the new ones.

> When I found one and went inside and made the deal, they took the

> truck out to be cleaned and sprayed it with " new car smell " .

> It almost killed me.

> I couldn't stand to drive the truck with all the windows open and

> wind blazing through at fifty miles an hour.

> I took it back and asked to be let out of the deal because they had

> altered the truck after I bought it in a manner that was damaging to

> me. They accused me of buyers remorse and refused.

> I demonstrated that if I got within ten feet of the truck, I would

> turn bright red. They could see that I wasn't kidding but they

> didn't care.

> I begged and pleaded but they just said " Tough " .

> There was no way I could drive that truck, my eyes went cross and I

> would get brainfogged so bad I barely knew which side of the road I

> was supposed to be on.

> Someone told me about a lawyer who " handled MCS cases " so I called

> and had the same experience as Lori. After hearing my story, he

> laughed and said that he was the guy that the dealers call when they

> need to destroy " people like you " . He outlined exactly how he was

> going to demolish me if I took this to court. He said that for

> every " quack doctor " I produced to back me up, he could bring in ten

> specialists who can " prove " that MCS doesn't exist except in the

> minds of lunatics and the crazy doctors who spent so much time

> listening to their patients that they actualy started to believe this

> nonsense. He said " My professional advice to you is to drop it. You

> don't have the money or the science behind you and you don't have a

> chance in hell of winning " .

> So I was forced to trade in that truck on another used piece of crap

> that was on the lot that had outgassed enough not to bother me too

> much.

> I lost fifteen thousand dollars instantly because they sprayed the

> truck with chemicals and they had absolutely no mercy whatsoever even

> though they could see with their own eyes that I would have a visible

> response to the " new car smell " or any of the new offgassing vehicles.

> This was JONES WEST FORD in RENO!!

> Damn them all to Hell.

> If only I could " give " this problem to anyone....

> -

>

>

>

>

>

> FAIR USE NOTICE:

>

> This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always

> been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such

> material available in our efforts to advance understanding of

> environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific,

> and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use'

> of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US

> Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the

> material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have

> expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for

> research and educational purposes. For more information go to:

> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use

> copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go

> beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Is this as in FLETCHER JONES?

Yes. How did you know?

But this dealership is run by West.

Around here, it's known as " -Worst Ford " as I came to learn.

They were utterly merciless. After I demonstrated that I really was having

a visible reaction to the truck, they told me bluntly " That's your problem " .

As Dr had noted, I was at such a low point that I really was very

close to suicide.

These people have no idea how close I was to taking them with me thanks to

their sheer brutality.

If the avoidance strategy hadn't worked - They were that close....

-

[Guest guest]

> Is this as in FLETCHER JONES?

Yes. How did you know?

But this dealership is run by West.

Around here, it's known as " -Worst Ford " as I came to learn.

They were utterly merciless. After I demonstrated that I really was having

a visible reaction to the truck, they told me bluntly " That's your problem " .

As Dr had noted, I was at such a low point that I really was very

close to suicide.

These people have no idea how close I was to taking them with me thanks to

their sheer brutality.

If the avoidance strategy hadn't worked - They were that close....

-

[Guest guest]

They were utterly merciless. After I demonstrated that I really was having

a visible reaction to the truck, they told me bluntly " That's your problem " .

As Dr had noted, I was at such a low point that I really was very

close to suicide.

These people have no idea how close I was to taking them with me thanks to

their sheer brutality.

If the avoidance strategy hadn't worked - They were that close....

-

I'm so sorry this happened to you. I'm new to the group, also have MCS

and grin...my husband works for a Chevy Dealership; always coming home with new

demos. Took him a long time to understand why I cannot ride in his new demos

and why I need my detoxed old car and if we have to go somewhere he has to be in

my little old car rather than his top-of-line new demos.

I asked him what his dealership would have done in your situation. He said by

law as long as you did not take " delivery " of the truck meaning " drive " it you

can backout of the contract. If the truck would have been driven, then no.

What's so sad they do spray the " new car freshener " in all used vehicles

during detail because that's what the customers want---the new car smell. He

said no one would purchase a new vehicle if it didn't smell new. How sad the

general public doesn't understand the multiple toxins they are inhaling.

The few times I've needed service I had to beg him to not let a mechanic go

near that has any fragrance on and let no one detail the inside regardless.

Rosie

[Guest guest]

They were utterly merciless. After I demonstrated that I really was having

a visible reaction to the truck, they told me bluntly " That's your problem " .

As Dr had noted, I was at such a low point that I really was very

close to suicide.

These people have no idea how close I was to taking them with me thanks to

their sheer brutality.

If the avoidance strategy hadn't worked - They were that close....

-

I'm so sorry this happened to you. I'm new to the group, also have MCS

and grin...my husband works for a Chevy Dealership; always coming home with new

demos. Took him a long time to understand why I cannot ride in his new demos

and why I need my detoxed old car and if we have to go somewhere he has to be in

my little old car rather than his top-of-line new demos.

I asked him what his dealership would have done in your situation. He said by

law as long as you did not take " delivery " of the truck meaning " drive " it you

can backout of the contract. If the truck would have been driven, then no.

What's so sad they do spray the " new car freshener " in all used vehicles

during detail because that's what the customers want---the new car smell. He

said no one would purchase a new vehicle if it didn't smell new. How sad the

general public doesn't understand the multiple toxins they are inhaling.

The few times I've needed service I had to beg him to not let a mechanic go

near that has any fragrance on and let no one detail the inside regardless.

Rosie

[Guest guest]

As we have FLetcher JUNIOR here in vegas with a dreck load of dealerships.

Everything from toyota to mercedes.

My husband bought a car form one of the dealerships then we made the fatal

mistake of buying mine from another one.

When I did the test drive and decided on the car they were going to CLEAN

it UP....neddless to say the salesman got a very loud and forceful you

will NOT touch my car, you will NOT allow anyone in it to fill it up with

gas etc. It did have the new car smell but it was the original not an

enhanced new car smell.

When I had to bring it in for the 30 day inital check up I refused a

regular loaner car and demanded that they either provide me with a car

that had not been treated eith febreeze/air freshener or else I wanted a

new one. IF they did not like those options I would call their corporate

offices who had dealt with me when we had a problem with my husbands car.

Needless to say, they tried to say then I would have to do ewithout a

loaner for 1-2 days. Corporate got a call heard my last name and

immediately had the general manager of that dealership handle it. IT was

handled...I got to literally use a car that still had tape on it from

shipping. It was a lot easier to drive a car that was new than with air

fresheners.

You would THINK after that interaction they would have learned...but

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

I had a little glitch and was in with my service rep, he made notes about

no one to use cologne who worked on the car, do not wash interior, only

wash the outside and no vacumming.

I go to get in my car after I checked out and I said to myself...that

overdoused cologne better not be coming from the guy coming out of my

car....well, as you can expect it was. I went in there raised hell like

nobody's business. I had to have my husband come down to exchange cars, I

lost my voice and was fit to be tied.

After I regained my voice, the service advisor said they did not THINK

that the valet had anything on.

After going thru all the chains of command in the dealership then

corporate and not getting what I considered an acceptable anwer, I called

the cars headquarters and filed a major harassment, ada violation

incompetent complant with the manufactuer.

After lodging the complaint I get told by the manufactuer that the car is

still under warranty and I can go to any outside company to work on it but

they would NOT pay for it, it was either Fletcher or literally drive to

CA, UT or AZ for service.

It seems that the manufactuer called corporate Fletcher and they in turn

have now agreed to provide me with a car (new) when I need service, they

will put in writing no cologne etc...in bigger letters than before.

As I told them, you stink up my car you are going to give me a BRAND NEW

ONE at your expense, or I will be on the news about how you are trying to

injure a disabled person.

Now, they are bending over backwards as the letters ADA harassment carry a

lot of weight apparently.

WE call them FLEECE-em .

senior was basically run out of town when there was a

rumor??????????????about Sr being admitted into the local ER with a

foreign object somehow inserted into his rectum....a lightbulb?!

Jr took over and had his wife at that time Jan Laverty- doing the

ads, then Jr started doing them.

Can you say monopoly?!

Angel

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, wrote:

> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:45:52 -0800

> From: <erikj6@...>

> Angel MCS <jap2bemc@...>

> Cc:

> Subject: Re: [] Re: Trying to keep up.

>

>

>> Is this as in FLETCHER JONES?

>

> Yes. How did you know?

> But this dealership is run by West.

> Around here, it's known as " -Worst Ford " as I came to learn.

> They were utterly merciless. After I demonstrated that I really was having

> a visible reaction to the truck, they told me bluntly " That's your problem " .

> As Dr had noted, I was at such a low point that I really was very

> close to suicide.

> These people have no idea how close I was to taking them with me thanks to

> their sheer brutality.

> If the avoidance strategy hadn't worked - They were that close....

> -

>

>

>

" If having endured much, we at last asserted our 'right to know' and if,

knowing, we have concluded that we are being asked to take senseless and

frightening risks, then we should no longer accept the counsel of those

who tell us that we must fill our world with poisonous chemicals, we

should look around and see what other course is open to us. "

Carson

" My toxicasa (world) is your toxicasa (world). "

Judith Goode

[Guest guest]

As we have FLetcher JUNIOR here in vegas with a dreck load of dealerships.

Everything from toyota to mercedes.

My husband bought a car form one of the dealerships then we made the fatal

mistake of buying mine from another one.

When I did the test drive and decided on the car they were going to CLEAN

it UP....neddless to say the salesman got a very loud and forceful you

will NOT touch my car, you will NOT allow anyone in it to fill it up with

gas etc. It did have the new car smell but it was the original not an

enhanced new car smell.

When I had to bring it in for the 30 day inital check up I refused a

regular loaner car and demanded that they either provide me with a car

that had not been treated eith febreeze/air freshener or else I wanted a

new one. IF they did not like those options I would call their corporate

offices who had dealt with me when we had a problem with my husbands car.

Needless to say, they tried to say then I would have to do ewithout a

loaner for 1-2 days. Corporate got a call heard my last name and

immediately had the general manager of that dealership handle it. IT was

handled...I got to literally use a car that still had tape on it from

shipping. It was a lot easier to drive a car that was new than with air

fresheners.

You would THINK after that interaction they would have learned...but

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

I had a little glitch and was in with my service rep, he made notes about

no one to use cologne who worked on the car, do not wash interior, only

wash the outside and no vacumming.

I go to get in my car after I checked out and I said to myself...that

overdoused cologne better not be coming from the guy coming out of my

car....well, as you can expect it was. I went in there raised hell like

nobody's business. I had to have my husband come down to exchange cars, I

lost my voice and was fit to be tied.

After I regained my voice, the service advisor said they did not THINK

that the valet had anything on.

After going thru all the chains of command in the dealership then

corporate and not getting what I considered an acceptable anwer, I called

the cars headquarters and filed a major harassment, ada violation

incompetent complant with the manufactuer.

After lodging the complaint I get told by the manufactuer that the car is

still under warranty and I can go to any outside company to work on it but

they would NOT pay for it, it was either Fletcher or literally drive to

CA, UT or AZ for service.

It seems that the manufactuer called corporate Fletcher and they in turn

have now agreed to provide me with a car (new) when I need service, they

will put in writing no cologne etc...in bigger letters than before.

As I told them, you stink up my car you are going to give me a BRAND NEW

ONE at your expense, or I will be on the news about how you are trying to

injure a disabled person.

Now, they are bending over backwards as the letters ADA harassment carry a

lot of weight apparently.

WE call them FLEECE-em .

senior was basically run out of town when there was a

rumor??????????????about Sr being admitted into the local ER with a

foreign object somehow inserted into his rectum....a lightbulb?!

Jr took over and had his wife at that time Jan Laverty- doing the

ads, then Jr started doing them.

Can you say monopoly?!

Angel

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, wrote:

> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:45:52 -0800

> From: <erikj6@...>

> Angel MCS <jap2bemc@...>

> Cc:

> Subject: Re: [] Re: Trying to keep up.

>

>

>> Is this as in FLETCHER JONES?

>

> Yes. How did you know?

> But this dealership is run by West.

> Around here, it's known as " -Worst Ford " as I came to learn.

> They were utterly merciless. After I demonstrated that I really was having

> a visible reaction to the truck, they told me bluntly " That's your problem " .

> As Dr had noted, I was at such a low point that I really was very

> close to suicide.

> These people have no idea how close I was to taking them with me thanks to

> their sheer brutality.

> If the avoidance strategy hadn't worked - They were that close....

> -

>

>

>

" If having endured much, we at last asserted our 'right to know' and if,

knowing, we have concluded that we are being asked to take senseless and

frightening risks, then we should no longer accept the counsel of those

who tell us that we must fill our world with poisonous chemicals, we

should look around and see what other course is open to us. "

Carson

" My toxicasa (world) is your toxicasa (world). "

Judith Goode