Re: Dr Tiedelbaum versus Dr Shoemaker's Protocols

[Guest guest]

> Has anyone compared Dr Shoemakers protocol with Dr Tiedelbaum's? I

am learning about Dr T's protocol. He is a doctor in Anapolis, MD

who had CFS/Fibro himself. His website is 'endfatigue.com' I

believe.

" From Fatigued to FLEECED "

Rich K.s review of Teitelbaums AACFS presentation - and my

response. -

>He (Dr Teitelbaum) said that certain types of behavior can lead to

this dysfunction, including " having low self-esteem as a child,

overachieving, trying to get approval from somebody who wasn't

going to give it, trying to be all things to all people, and taking

care of everybody but yourself. " He used the analogy of a fuse in

an electrical circuit in one's house. If the circuit is overloaded,

the fuse blows. The fuse is there to protect the circuit and the

house. He likened the hypothalamus to the fuse. It protects a

person against what is perceived as an overwhelming stress. In

the electrical analogy, it is not enough simply to turn the circuit

back on. It is also necessary to determine what caused the fuse

to blow and to correct it, or the fuse will simply blow again. He

emphasized that the same is true of hypothalamic dysfunction.

Resuming the same behavior will cause the problem to reoccur.<

What kind of nonsense is this?

The theory must fit the facts.

The theory must fit the facts.

The theory must fit the facts.

The facts are that this " Drop Dead Flu " raged through a girls

basketball team. Did they all have simultaneous " low self esteem "

from a losing streak?

The facts are that this " Drop Dead Flu " raged through a group of

teachers all using the same room. Did they all suddenly blow a fuse

from being " all things to all people " ?

" RESUMING THIS BEHAVIOR WILL CAUSE THE PROBLEM TO REOCCUR " ????????

There you have it, you miserable, maladjusted, maladapted,

misbehaving, misfits!

Your behavior caused it. Your behavior will cause the problem to

reoccur!

So Wessely got to Teitelbaum too.

The statistical improbability of the simultaneous " low self esteem "

induced drop dead flu is so contrary to the facts that it is clear

that Teitelbaum is mentally manipulating the evidence to fit his

theory that, " You caused it yourself and your behavior can cause it

to happen again " .

THE THEORY MUST FIT THE FACTS!

That one doesn't!

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[Guest guest]

> Has anyone compared Dr Shoemakers protocol with Dr Tiedelbaum's? I

am learning about Dr T's protocol. He is a doctor in Anapolis, MD

who had CFS/Fibro himself. His website is 'endfatigue.com' I

believe.

" From Fatigued to FLEECED "

Rich K.s review of Teitelbaums AACFS presentation - and my

response. -

>He (Dr Teitelbaum) said that certain types of behavior can lead to

this dysfunction, including " having low self-esteem as a child,

overachieving, trying to get approval from somebody who wasn't

going to give it, trying to be all things to all people, and taking

care of everybody but yourself. " He used the analogy of a fuse in

an electrical circuit in one's house. If the circuit is overloaded,

the fuse blows. The fuse is there to protect the circuit and the

house. He likened the hypothalamus to the fuse. It protects a

person against what is perceived as an overwhelming stress. In

the electrical analogy, it is not enough simply to turn the circuit

back on. It is also necessary to determine what caused the fuse

to blow and to correct it, or the fuse will simply blow again. He

emphasized that the same is true of hypothalamic dysfunction.

Resuming the same behavior will cause the problem to reoccur.<

What kind of nonsense is this?

The theory must fit the facts.

The theory must fit the facts.

The theory must fit the facts.

The facts are that this " Drop Dead Flu " raged through a girls

basketball team. Did they all have simultaneous " low self esteem "

from a losing streak?

The facts are that this " Drop Dead Flu " raged through a group of

teachers all using the same room. Did they all suddenly blow a fuse

from being " all things to all people " ?

" RESUMING THIS BEHAVIOR WILL CAUSE THE PROBLEM TO REOCCUR " ????????

There you have it, you miserable, maladjusted, maladapted,

misbehaving, misfits!

Your behavior caused it. Your behavior will cause the problem to

reoccur!

So Wessely got to Teitelbaum too.

The statistical improbability of the simultaneous " low self esteem "

induced drop dead flu is so contrary to the facts that it is clear

that Teitelbaum is mentally manipulating the evidence to fit his

theory that, " You caused it yourself and your behavior can cause it

to happen again " .

THE THEORY MUST FIT THE FACTS!

That one doesn't!

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[Guest guest]

> As for his theory. I think he believes CFS and Fibro etc are

caused by multiple infections (a big one being fungal from mold)

That's a good theory. It's the one I told Dr Cheney and Dr

the first day of the Incline Village CFS epidemic. Interesting that

it has taken another twenty years for CFS researchers to speculate on

the mycotoxin connection. You can go into the old messages and see

that Stachy was directly implicated in the famous cluster of teachers

at Truckee High School described in Osler's Web and in the Symphony

orchestra clusters. And a whole crapload of smaller clusters like

Elk Grove Elementary and North Tahoe High school too.

That would be just too amazing if these doctors actually started

listening to their patients after all these years.

> Anyway, I think this theory he is speaking of is reflective that

CFS tends to strike people who are overachievers or type A,

workaholics but not always.<

It was the " not always " that made us rule out the " overachiever-type

A theory " so many years ago in Incline Village. A lot

of " psychologizers " have a tough time letting it go, even though it

completely fails to " fit the facts " . Time for Teitlebaum to let it

go too.

>Anyway, apologies for posting this here by mistake!!<

No apologies! This is a perfect place to post this.

As I told Dr back in '98 when I was in his ampligen program

and devised my extreme mycotoxin avoidance strategy that returned me

to mountain climbing and controlling my CFS symptoms; " I haven't

seen anybody with CFS yet who didn't have a SPECIFIC reactivity to

Stachybotrys. "

And in all the years since - I still haven't.

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[Guest guest]

> As for his theory. I think he believes CFS and Fibro etc are

caused by multiple infections (a big one being fungal from mold)

That's a good theory. It's the one I told Dr Cheney and Dr

the first day of the Incline Village CFS epidemic. Interesting that

it has taken another twenty years for CFS researchers to speculate on

the mycotoxin connection. You can go into the old messages and see

that Stachy was directly implicated in the famous cluster of teachers

at Truckee High School described in Osler's Web and in the Symphony

orchestra clusters. And a whole crapload of smaller clusters like

Elk Grove Elementary and North Tahoe High school too.

That would be just too amazing if these doctors actually started

listening to their patients after all these years.

> Anyway, I think this theory he is speaking of is reflective that

CFS tends to strike people who are overachievers or type A,

workaholics but not always.<

It was the " not always " that made us rule out the " overachiever-type

A theory " so many years ago in Incline Village. A lot

of " psychologizers " have a tough time letting it go, even though it

completely fails to " fit the facts " . Time for Teitlebaum to let it

go too.

>Anyway, apologies for posting this here by mistake!!<

No apologies! This is a perfect place to post this.

As I told Dr back in '98 when I was in his ampligen program

and devised my extreme mycotoxin avoidance strategy that returned me

to mountain climbing and controlling my CFS symptoms; " I haven't

seen anybody with CFS yet who didn't have a SPECIFIC reactivity to

Stachybotrys. "

And in all the years since - I still haven't.

-

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your information. We are going through what we think

is mycotoxin avoidance right now. I would be interested in knowing

the steps you took so I can compare and see if we've thought of

everything.

Congratulations to you for achieving success.

winslake

>

>

> > As for his theory. I think he believes CFS and Fibro etc are

> caused by multiple infections (a big one being fungal from mold)

>

> That's a good theory. It's the one I told Dr Cheney and Dr

> the first day of the Incline Village CFS epidemic. Interesting

that

> it has taken another twenty years for CFS researchers to speculate

on

> the mycotoxin connection. You can go into the old messages and see

> that Stachy was directly implicated in the famous cluster of

teachers

> at Truckee High School described in Osler's Web and in the

Symphony

> orchestra clusters. And a whole crapload of smaller clusters like

> Elk Grove Elementary and North Tahoe High school too.

> That would be just too amazing if these doctors actually started

> listening to their patients after all these years.

>

> > Anyway, I think this theory he is speaking of is reflective that

> CFS tends to strike people who are overachievers or type A,

> workaholics but not always.<

>

> It was the " not always " that made us rule out the " overachiever-

type

> A theory " so many years ago in Incline Village. A lot

> of " psychologizers " have a tough time letting it go, even though

it

> completely fails to " fit the facts " . Time for Teitlebaum to let

it

> go too.

>

> >Anyway, apologies for posting this here by mistake!!<

>

> No apologies! This is a perfect place to post this.

> As I told Dr back in '98 when I was in his ampligen

program

> and devised my extreme mycotoxin avoidance strategy that returned

me

> to mountain climbing and controlling my CFS symptoms; " I haven't

> seen anybody with CFS yet who didn't have a SPECIFIC reactivity to

> Stachybotrys. "

> And in all the years since - I still haven't.

> -

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your information. We are going through what we think

is mycotoxin avoidance right now. I would be interested in knowing

the steps you took so I can compare and see if we've thought of

everything.

Congratulations to you for achieving success.

winslake

>

>

> > As for his theory. I think he believes CFS and Fibro etc are

> caused by multiple infections (a big one being fungal from mold)

>

> That's a good theory. It's the one I told Dr Cheney and Dr

> the first day of the Incline Village CFS epidemic. Interesting

that

> it has taken another twenty years for CFS researchers to speculate

on

> the mycotoxin connection. You can go into the old messages and see

> that Stachy was directly implicated in the famous cluster of

teachers

> at Truckee High School described in Osler's Web and in the

Symphony

> orchestra clusters. And a whole crapload of smaller clusters like

> Elk Grove Elementary and North Tahoe High school too.

> That would be just too amazing if these doctors actually started

> listening to their patients after all these years.

>

> > Anyway, I think this theory he is speaking of is reflective that

> CFS tends to strike people who are overachievers or type A,

> workaholics but not always.<

>

> It was the " not always " that made us rule out the " overachiever-

type

> A theory " so many years ago in Incline Village. A lot

> of " psychologizers " have a tough time letting it go, even though

it

> completely fails to " fit the facts " . Time for Teitlebaum to let

it

> go too.

>

> >Anyway, apologies for posting this here by mistake!!<

>

> No apologies! This is a perfect place to post this.

> As I told Dr back in '98 when I was in his ampligen

program

> and devised my extreme mycotoxin avoidance strategy that returned

me

> to mountain climbing and controlling my CFS symptoms; " I haven't

> seen anybody with CFS yet who didn't have a SPECIFIC reactivity to

> Stachybotrys. "

> And in all the years since - I still haven't.

> -