Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 Say Barb, >>>> Stick some hay in your hair or hanging out of your pocket. Wear overalls. Dust your face with grain. Continually sneeze or cough while you are there. Smell like a farm animal.<<<<< I will have you know that I happen to be a farmer and I am sure I don't smell like a farm animal, at least they have not complained yet. I was at a Cenex Harvest States convention supper in Dec 2003 in Minneapolis right after my son's breathing problems all year and asthma attack in Oct which were in remission because of the fresh air pumped into our house. I sat next to an older dairy farmer and we started talking. It seems he sold off his herd because the kids went to college for other occupations and he was ready to retire. One weekend he wanted to clean out the silo. He told me that all silos develop a mold ring on top from the wet unprotected silage there. His kids broke off the mold ring while he shoveled it out the small door at the bottom. He was rushed to the emergency room that day with an asthma attack. He went to the Mayo Clinic and they put him on steriods and maybe singulair, I can't remember. This is the Mayo clinic that knows all about fungus and sinuses, yet they gave no antifungal to him. While in Texas with my son at Dr. 's office, I told him of this farmer. Dr. said that man does not need to be on steriods. This man lived 20 miles from Minneapolis and there is a new highway going up which will pass his farm. Even if he only owned 160 acres, at $20,0000/acres he will retire nicely. I understood him to say he purchased his own oxygen chamber, pulled out his carpets which were over nice hardwood floors. His wife said even if he walks into the barn which still has some hay in it, he will be breathing badly that evening. While I am a grain farmer, I have been raising our own beef and do not feed any grain so as to keep the mold and mycotoxins from being passed through to the meat. I feed dairy quality alfalfa and hay during the winter, pasture grass in the spring, summer, and fall. The meat profile is also much different than what you buy in the store(see eatwild.com). Today's feedlot cattle are grain fed and hormone injected and must be fed low grade antibiotics because the grain lowers the PH of the animal where hostile bacteria can proliferate. The alfalfa is kept indoors and yes, the large round outdoor hay bales get mold where they sit on the bottom and top, but the cattle do not eat that if abundant food is available. I knock the top off and eat the quality hay under it. They are picky if they can afford to be. Side note, all of last 03-04 winter, my son played on the large hay bales, but always with a simple double strap mask on. He had no problems, although if I knew what I know now, I would never have allowed him to play there. After a great winter with no breathing problems, that spring he and his brother found a barley pile after the snow melted and must have had one ____ of a war judging from their boots and coats. He had two other accidental exposures which were enough for us to have problems. Mold has never bothered me to my knowledge although I wonder if it has to a degree because I do know it did affect my youngest son greatly as we fight it with Sporanox and no steriods or singulair now. Tell the doctor you visited a farm and was very sick after a hay ride or a " roll in the hay " :^) Or wear blue jeans and a baseball style hat and say you are a farmer, I rarely ever see overalls and most of us do shower. But being a farmer did not help that dariy farmer get anything for mold exposure, and he was at the Mayo clinic no less. Fletch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 During the first world war, a German artillery company refused to respond to reveille or take their posts to fire on the English. They were held as traitors and executed by firing squad. The horses that drew the cannons were equally seen as useless or drugged by the traitor artillery company and were likewise put down. This may be seen as nonsense but I investigated this as a possible cause for my son's depression problems. I have so many friends and family that have entered the local mental hospital with depression that I needed to investigate. The pure maths of the problem appeared to me to be disproportionate to the possibility of chance. I wondered if mental illness was something that was communicable. I visited the hospital and the $1000 dollar an hour physiologist laughed at me suggestion but could not tell me why my son was ill or how he could cure him. Bottom line is depression can be caught from mold, The German incident was at a town called BORNA and that is now known to be Borna disease. The military could not believe that all the soldiers and horses rebelled and investigated after the executions. Guess what they found? The hay from the horse feed had got wet and a mold developed which caused all symptoms. This is an aflatoxin and extremely dangerous. Jeff Charlton in London 00 44 (0)8700 789 999 -----Original Messa ge----- From: fletch_82000 [mailto:fletch_8@...] Sent: 02 January 2005 19:27 Subject: [] Re: Fwd: Posing as a Farmer Say Barb, >>>> Stick some hay in your hair or hanging out of your pocket. Wear overalls. Dust your face with grain. Continually sneeze or cough while you are there. Smell like a farm animal.<<<<< I will have you know that I happen to be a farmer and I am sure I don't smell like a farm animal, at least they have not complained yet. I was at a Cenex Harvest States convention supper in Dec 2003 in Minneapolis right after my son's breathing problems all year and asthma attack in Oct which were in remission because of the fresh air pumped into our house. I sat next to an older dairy farmer and we started talking. It seems he sold off his herd because the kids went to college for other occupations and he was ready to retire. One weekend he wanted to clean out the silo. He told me that all silos develop a mold ring on top from the wet unprotected silage there. His kids broke off the mold ring while he shoveled it out the small door at the bottom. He was rushed to the emergency room that day with an asthma attack. He went to the Mayo Clinic and they put him on steriods and maybe singulair, I can't remember. This is the Mayo clinic that knows all about fungus and sinuses, yet they gave no antifungal to him. While in Texas with my son at Dr. 's office, I told him of this farmer. Dr. said that man does not need to be on steriods. This man lived 20 miles from Minneapolis and there is a new highway going up which will pass his farm. Even if he only owned 160 acres, at $20,0000/acres he will retire nicely. I understood him to say he purchased his own oxygen chamber, pulled out his carpets which were over nice hardwood floors. His wife said even if he walks into the barn which still has some hay in it, he will be breathing badly that evening. While I am a grain farmer, I have been raising our own beef and do not feed any grain so as to keep the mold and mycotoxins from being passed through to the meat. I feed dairy quality alfalfa and hay during the winter, pasture grass in the spring, summer, and fall. The meat profile is also much different than what you buy in the store(see eatwild.com). Today's feedlot cattle are grain fed and hormone injected and must be fed low grade antibiotics because the grain lowers the PH of the animal where hostile bacteria can proliferate. The alfalfa is kept indoors and yes, the large round outdoor hay bales get mold where they sit on the bottom and top, but the cattle do not eat that if abundant food is available. I knock the top off and eat the quality hay under it. They are picky if they can afford to be. Side note, all of last 03-04 winter, my son played on the large hay bales, but always with a simple double strap mask on. He had no problems, although if I knew what I know now, I would never have allowed him to play there. After a great winter with no breathing problems, that spring he and his brother found a barley pile after the snow melted and must have had one ____ of a war judging from their boots and coats. He had two other accidental exposures which were enough for us to have problems. Mold has never bothered me to my knowledge although I wonder if it has to a degree because I do know it did affect my youngest son greatly as we fight it with Sporanox and no steriods or singulair now. Tell the doctor you visited a farm and was very sick after a hay ride or a " roll in the hay " :^) Or wear blue jeans and a baseball style hat and say you are a farmer, I rarely ever see overalls and most of us do shower. But being a farmer did not help that dariy farmer get anything for mold exposure, and he was at the Mayo clinic no less. Fletch FAIR USE NOTICE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. 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Guest guest Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 Fletch, That's very interesting. Do you know others that work within the farm industry that have/had repiratory problems, unexplained weird immune responses? By the way, I am a real estate agent in Southern California. I don't have bleached blonde hair, I don't wear tight clothes, and I almost never use the word " faaaabulous " . Warm Regards, Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 The Borna virus infection that has been associated with depression was no doubt enabled by mycotoxins in this scenario, but I'll bet the mold was Stachy. This was the scenario we saw in Truckee High School, the start of the CFS epidemic. I've told the story about the Sick CFS Doctors office I located in which they were all complaining of the classic symptoms and one guy even told me about his inexplicable reactivated EBV titers. It was amazing when the receptionist, who I'd never even talked to, just walked up to me and said " I'm so tired - I don't know why " as if she could sense that I knew the answer. But the doctor decided not to pursue this information. And as I've said before, Tovluck for U, rich. I wonder if this type of knowledge about mold-activated viral infections is going to follow the same progression as that of H Pylori, CFS, SBS and lyme - You can read about it in the National Enquirer with doctors being the very last to know. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 You may be right about Stachy but the mould Aspergillus produces the aflatoxin and is recognised as a toxic producing mould. I think your right about doctors being the last to know and maybe when drug companies make a mold remover they might change doctors prescription habits. Regards Jeff Charlton In London Jeff Charlton 00 44 (0)8700 789 999 -----Original Message----- From: erik_johnson_96140 [mailto:erikj6@...] Sent: 03 January 2005 01:16 Subject: [] Re: Fwd: Posing as a Farmer The Borna virus infection that has been associated with depression was no doubt enabled by mycotoxins in this scenario, but I'll bet the mold was Stachy. This was the scenario we saw in Truckee High School, the start of the CFS epidemic. I've told the story about the Sick CFS Doctors office I located in which they were all complaining of the classic symptoms and one guy even told me about his inexplicable reactivated EBV titers. It was amazing when the receptionist, who I'd never even talked to, just walked up to me and said " I'm so tired - I don't know why " as if she could sense that I knew the answer. But the doctor decided not to pursue this information. And as I've said before, Tovluck for U, rich. I wonder if this type of knowledge about mold-activated viral infections is going to follow the same progression as that of H Pylori, CFS, SBS and lyme - You can read about it in the National Enquirer with doctors being the very last to know. - FAIR USE NOTICE: This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner. _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 They do make a mold remover. It's called antifungals. That, coupled with intergrated medicine, ie: avoid mold in the environment, quit eating it, helps many who have been afflicted by mycotic illnesses. For a substantial amount of people, it can be a long road back to health. Depending on how much and for how long one has been ill, for some,there is no road back. That's why it is imperative that our physicians be taught about the severity of these illnesses. Early detection, diagnosis and treatment is the key!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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