Thoughts and questions

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Kathy,

Thank you so much for this post, a wealth of information on what you are using. Herxing is definitely an issue--I had many, many periods of exacerbations followed by a sense of increased wellness. I think that is just how this illness goes.

Dr. Stoff, a well known author and medical reseacher in Tucson, AZ http://www.iti4help.com/medical_board.htm

states that the first step in recovery involves reducing the viral load and putting viruses into remission. There are many natural ways to do this, and oil of oregano, olive leaf extract, and garlic are just a few of them. I am so glad you have found some products that have worked for you.

For those who want more info on naturally reducing your viral load, check our link in the files section, under Healing therapies.

http://f5.grp.fs.com/v1/4PNVP213biDZbOazAqVqx4hze60fEKEtyRcZrXpiBtFYfRJFTULWqP1xNC-8vdR20J_mmy-DKZ6UN7Rz/Healing%20Therapies/Garlic%20and%20Reducing%20Your%20Viral%20Load...Naturally

Keep on healing, Kathy and keep on posting your progress!

Love,

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: mikat

Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:29 AM

Subject: Thoughts and questions

hi everyone. I have a few thoughts to share and a few questions. I am now getting my emails from this group in a batch format. it sure is easier and doesn't cause me to overload my mailbox and this was happening regularly because you guys post alot! the downside is I don't klnow how to respond to individual ones anymore because that just takes me back to the individual mailbox address of the person I am trying to respond to instead of to the group. Does anyone have a suggestion of how I can work this? That is one reason I haven't been posting.

I returned from alaskan cruise a few weeks ago and had a great time. I really feel I have come a long way., It will be 2 years for me in october since explant. I still have ups and downs and the downs mostly seem to be from herxing. This causes my symptoms to get worse, followed by an improvement.

I have been taking oil of oregano regularly now. I am herxing and seeing symptoms I haven't had in along time. I am only taking 3 drops a day! I am also using a product called biogenesis 3 and it is awesome! It is all organic and has everything in it. If you are interested you can find info at www.druckerlabs.com. It makes me herx too. Herxing is a good thing even though it doesn't seem that way.

I have seen some posts about immunocal and also pyconogel. I have tried both. The immuncal is very expensive and I have used it off and on for periods of time. I have found that I start to feel worse on it and again it must be a herx. I have found that to be true of other products such as goats whey, coconut oil, etc. I constantly find myself fighting the worsening of symptoms from taking things that cause detoxification. I have to go very slow. Right now I am the most pleased with oil of oregano. I have severe yeast problems and it is the cheapest and easiest and most effective for me at this point.

I tried pyconogel several years ago for my fms and did not find that it made a difference. Nor did malic acid, magnesium, and many more. We are so different that I guess we each have to try it ourselves to see if it helps. Just be prepared that if youfeel worse, it may actually be aherx and be helping you. In fact yeast killers first make me feel "better" followed a short time later by feeling worse. Then I tend to think it isn't working and quit. I have also tried olive leaf extract and herx terribly too it. So it must be potent--and least for me.

I have seen some discussion on mvp and patty asked some questions about my last post. My husband had mvp and it was never a problem for him. However he died from heart related problems. My son has it and it isn't a problem. Most people just need antibiotics when cleaning their teeth. However mvp syndrome has "many" features of fms and other immune illness and no one knows why. Their are entire books available on this mvp syndrome. and guess what. It is more common in people with fms and other syndromes like migraines etc.

I have found my heart gets much worse--funny beats--whenever I take yeast killers. Again proof that yeast can cause a variety of symtoms and be very insidious and destructive.

Abjout wheat--I had saliva testing and I have postive gliaden antibodies. That means I have an autoimmune reaction to wheat rye barley oats. Most people who are positve have leaky gut/malapsorption syndrome. I too love bread and pasta and have made a huge reduction because my doctor explained I am only hurting myself when my body has antibodies to the gluten protein. I think it only makes sense to test for gliaden antibodies if you are concerned with eating wheat. And it isn't just wheat. gluten is also in rye, aand oats and barley.

Rogene has mentioned Jordan Rubin who is the originator of Garden Of Life products.. He not only has "patient heal thyself" out but a new book entitled "restoring your digestive health. " I just received it and can't wait to read it.

Rubins line of products are awesome. I love the Primal Defense. His goat's whey protein must be fairly powerful because I get much worse just taking less than a tbsp a day. I can start to feel effects within 30 minutes.

Though I still experience herxing I can tell I am getting better. We each have our own path to find, but reading what other people have tried has been a big boost to me. I would never have found all these things to try on my own. I always have hope too, because even if the things I am currently doing prove not to be as effective as I like, I have tons more things to explore that might! good luck to everyone in their pursuit of wellness!

God's Blessings to all of you, kathy

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Let me know how you like the Primal Defense. Anybody have a good link for it, or a place to order cheap?

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: JOSEPH PALANCA

Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:37 AM

Subject: Re: Thoughts and questions

that’s awesome Katty, thanks for the tips. I am in the middle of the "Patient Heal Thyself" Awesome book, a lot of Dr Mercola simularities, but the Primal Defense thing has me going. I am on it now. We will see

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Awesome Post Kathy! Keep up the good work, and filling us in. As always its good to hear what other women try and suceed with! Take Care ,and God Bless. Im sure Alaska was BEAUTIFUL

>From: "*~Patty~*"

>Reply- >

>Subject: Re: Thoughts and questions >Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:00:34 -0700 > >Kathy, >Thank you so much for this post, a wealth of information on what you are using. Herxing is definitely an issue--I had many, many periods of exacerbations followed by a sense of increased wellness. I think that is just how this illness goes. > >Dr. Stoff, a well known author and medical reseacher in Tucson, AZ http://www.iti4help.com/medical_board.htm >states that the first step in recovery involves reducing the viral load and putting viruses into remission. There are many natural ways to do this, and oil of oregano, olive leaf extract, and garlic are just a few of them. I am so glad you have found some products that have worked for you. > >For those who want more info on naturally reducing your viral load, check our link in the files section, under Healing therapies. >http://f5.grp.fs.com/v1/4PNVP213biDZbOazAqVqx4hze60fEKEtyRcZrXpiBtFYfRJFTULWqP1xNC-8vdR20J_mmy-DKZ6UN7Rz/Healing%20Therapies/Garlic%20and%20Reducing%20Your%20Viral%20Load...Naturally > >Keep on healing, Kathy and keep on posting your progress! >Love, >Patty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mikat > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:29 AM > Subject: Thoughts and questions > > > hi everyone. I have a few thoughts to share and a few questions. I am now getting my emails from this group in a batch format. it sure is easier and doesn't cause me to overload my mailbox and this was happening regularly because you guys post alot! the downside is I don't klnow how to respond to individual ones anymore because that just takes me back to the individual mailbox address of the person I am trying to respond to instead of to the group. Does anyone have a suggestion of how I can work this? That is one reason I haven't been posting. > > I returned from alaskan cruise a few weeks ago and had a great time. I really feel I have come a long way., It will be 2 years for me in october since explant. I still have ups and downs and the downs mostly seem to be from herxing. This causes my symptoms to get worse, followed by an improvement. > I have been taking oil of oregano regularly now. I am herxing and seeing symptoms I haven't had in along time. I am only taking 3 drops a day! I am also using a product called biogenesis 3 and it is awesome! It is all organic and has everything in it. If you are interested you can find info at www.druckerlabs.com. It makes me herx too. Herxing is a good thing even though it doesn't seem that way. > > I have seen some posts about immunocal and also pyconogel. I have tried both. The immuncal is very expensive and I have used it off and on for periods of time. I have found that I start to feel worse on it and again it must be a herx. I have found that to be true of other products such as goats whey, coconut oil, etc. I constantly find myself fighting the worsening of symptoms from taking things that cause detoxification. I have to go very slow. Right now I am the most pleased with oil of oregano. I have severe yeast problems and it is the cheapest and easiest and most effective for me at this point. > I tried pyconogel several years ago for my fms and did not find that it made a difference. Nor did malic acid, magnesium, and many more. We are so different that I guess we each have to try it ourselves to see if it helps. Just be prepared that if youfeel worse, it may actually be aherx and be helping you. In fact yeast killers first make me feel "better" followed a short time later by feeling worse. Then I tend to think it isn't working and quit. I have also tried olive leaf extract and herx terribly too it. So it must be potent--and least for me. > > I have seen some discussion on mvp and patty asked some questions about my last post. My husband had mvp and it was never a problem for him. However he died from heart related problems. My son has it and it isn't a problem. Most people just need antibiotics when cleaning their teeth. However mvp syndrome has "many" features of fms and other immune illness and no one knows why. Their are entire books available on this mvp syndrome. and guess what. It is more common in people with fms and other syndromes like migraines etc. > > I have found my heart gets much worse--funny beats--whenever I take yeast killers. Again proof that yeast can cause a variety of symtoms and be very insidious and destructive. > > Abjout wheat--I had saliva testing and I have postive gliaden antibodies. That means I have an autoimmune reaction to wheat rye barley oats. Most people who are positve have leaky gut/malapsorption syndrome. I too love bread and pasta and have made a huge reduction because my doctor explained I am only hurting myself when my body has antibodies to the gluten protein. I think it only makes sense to test for gliaden antibodies if you are concerned with eating wheat. And it isn't just wheat. gluten is also in rye, aand oats and barley. > Rogene has mentioned Jordan Rubin who is the originator of Garden Of Life products.. He not only has "patient heal thyself" out but a new book entitled "restoring your digestive health. " I just received it and can't wait to read it. > Rubins line of products are awesome. I love the Primal Defense. His goat's whey protein must be fairly powerful because I get much worse just taking less than a tbsp a day. I can start to feel effects within 30 minutes. > > Though I still experience herxing I can tell I am getting better. We each have our own path to find, but reading what other people have tried has been a big boost to me. I would never have found all these things to try on my own. I always have hope too, because even if the things I am currently doing prove not to be as effective as I like, I have tons more things to explore that might! good luck to everyone in their pursuit of wellness! > God's Blessings to all of you, kathy Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection.

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i really think it helps. for the first week to 10 days you get diarrhea but i think that maybe a cleansing process. i got mine from dr. kolb but you can get it from garden of life.

>From: "*~Patty~*"

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>Subject: Re: Thoughts and questions >Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:06:51 -0700 > >Let me know how you like the Primal Defense. Anybody have a good link for it, or a place to order cheap? >Patty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JOSEPH PALANCA > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:37 AM > Subject: Re: Thoughts and questions > > > that's awesome Katty, thanks for the tips. I am in the middle of the "Patient Heal Thyself" Awesome book, a lot of Dr Mercola simularities, but the Primal Defense thing has me going. I am on it now. We will see Fast, faster, fastest: Upgrade to Cable or DSL today!