Guest guest Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 For me he is the most honest of available MROs has lots of board credibility. At least he is aware there is a problem and he is trying to do something. He has helped several folks I know resoving issues with false positives with Boards. Unlike Dr. Brown who actually is or has been director of EtG lab for state of FL. She actually had a PsyD internet degree associate poser as an EtG "expert" who tried to torpedo and create helter skelter on this site till he crossed the line and got himself banned from posting.curlyquiz <curlyquiz@...> wrote: Is this the service run by Dr. Skipper? I am a little wary. I do respect him for (at last) changing his mind as more and more evidence came in; however don't forget, HE IS STILL MAKING MONEY FROM THIS TEST-only now, by "consulting" and being an expert witness for those who are getting screwed by it. OK, better than the former, to be sure---but there is an old adage: "follow the money". If this test were discredited and no longer used, to whose benefit would that be? NOT SKIPPER'S.Lorie, I hope this doesn't offend you. I am not saying he is a "bad guy". I am just saying---buyer beware.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Keep The Faith~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 I too have questioned Dr. Skipper's motives. He still makes money from EtG and now makes money from those of us who have false positives. I keep hearing he is on our side...... would like to see him come out publicly and discredit this monster he helped create!!! -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: robin murray <remurraymd@...> > For me he is the most honest of available MROs has lots of board credibility. > > At least he is aware there is a problem and he is trying to do something. > > He has helped several folks I know resoving issues with false positives with > Boards. > > Unlike Dr. Brown who actually is or has been director of EtG lab for state of > FL. > > She actually had a PsyD internet degree associate poser as an EtG " expert " > > who tried to torpedo and create helter skelter on this site till he crossed > the line > > and got himself banned from posting. > > curlyquiz <curlyquiz@...> wrote: > Is this the service run by Dr. Skipper? I am a little wary. I do > respect him for (at last) changing his mind as more and more evidence > came in; however don't forget, HE IS STILL MAKING MONEY FROM THIS TEST- > only now, by " consulting " and being an expert witness for those who are > getting screwed by it. OK, better than the former, to be sure---but > there is an old adage: " follow the money " . If this test were > discredited and no longer used, to whose benefit would that be? NOT > SKIPPER'S. > Lorie, I hope this doesn't offend you. I am not saying he is a " bad > guy " . I am just saying---buyer beware. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Keep The Faith~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eva > > > > For me he is the most honest of available MROs has lots of board credibility. At least he is aware there is a problem and he is trying to do something. He has helped several folks I know resoving issues with false positives with Boards. Unlike Dr. Brown who actually is or has been director of EtG lab for state of FL. She actually had a PsyD internet degree associate poser as an EtG "expert" who tried to torpedo and create helter skelter on this site till he crossed the line and got himself banned from posting.curlyquiz <curlyquiz > wrote: Is this the service run by Dr. Skipper? I am a little wary. I do respect him for (at last) changing his mind as more and more evidence came in; however don't forget, HE IS STILL MAKING MONEY FROM THIS TEST-only now, by "consulting" and being an expert witness for those who are getting screwed by it. OK, better than the former, to be sure---but there is an old adage: "follow the money". If this test were discredited and no longer used, to whose benefit would that be? NOT SKIPPER'S.Lorie, I hope this doesn't offend you. I am not saying he is a "bad guy". I am just saying---buyer beware.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Keep The Faith~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 I did not say he was on "our side" just that of MRO's who have board credibility he is most aware of the problems with this test and would be most effective to help with board revocation action because he is "the" expert have not known any board to go against him. . He has helped me many others in the past. He has come out about misuse of EtG on his site www.ethylglucuronide.com For me he is still the most honest knowledgeable MRO with board cred To get a second opinion or expert testimony in a revocation action. mslizrn@... wrote: I too have questioned Dr. Skipper's motives. He still makes money from EtG and now makes money from those of us who have false positives. I keep hearing he is on our side...... would like to see him come out publicly and discredit this monster he helped create!!!-------------- Original message ----------------------From: robin murray <remurraymd >> For me he is the most honest of available MROs has lots of board credibility.> > At least he is aware there is a problem and he is trying to do something.> > He has helped several folks I know resoving issues with false positives with > Boards.> > Unlike Dr. Brown who actually is or has been director of EtG lab for state of > FL.> > She actually had a PsyD internet degree associate poser as an EtG "expert"> > who tried to torpedo and create helter skelter on this site till he crossed > the line > > and got himself banned from posting.> > curlyquiz <curlyquiz > wrote:> Is this the service run by Dr. Skipper? I am a little wary. I do > respect him for (at last) changing his mind as more and more evidence > came in; however don't forget, HE IS STILL MAKING MONEY FROM THIS TEST-> only now, by "consulting" and being an expert witness for those who are > getting screwed by it. OK, better than the former, to be sure---but > there is an old adage: "follow the money". If this test were > discredited and no longer used, to whose benefit would that be? NOT > SKIPPER'S.> Lorie, I hope this doesn't offend you. I am not saying he is a "bad > guy". I am just saying---buyer beware.> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Keep The Faith~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eva> > > > From: robin murray <remurraymd@...>Ethylglucuronide Subject: Re: Super MRO?Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:43:11 +0000 For me he is the most honest of available MROs has lots of board credibility. At least he is aware there is a problem and he is trying to do something. He has helped several folks I know resoving issues with false positives with Boards. Unlike Dr. Brown who actually is or has been director of EtG lab for state of FL. She actually had a PsyD internet degree associate poser as an EtG "expert" who tried to torpedo and create helter skelter on this site till he crossed the line and got himself banned from posting.curlyquiz <curlyquiz > wrote: Is this the service run by Dr. Skipper? I am a little wary. I do respect him for (at last) changing his mind as more and more evidence came in; however don't forget, HE IS STILL MAKING MONEY FROM THIS TEST-only now, by "consulting" and being an expert witness for those who are getting screwed by it. OK, better than the former, to be sure---but there is an old adage: "follow the money". If this test were discredited and no longer used, to whose benefit would that be? NOT SKIPPER'S.Lorie, I hope this doesn't offend you. I am not saying he is a "bad guy". I am just saying---buyer beware.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Keep The Faith~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 I am sorry. I don't mean to sound so angry. You're right he has made an effort to bring this into the light. The California BRN does not seem to take his suggestions. He did respond to my emails and did say that he believed me. I just think that this test is so flawed that any use is misuse, and it needs to be off the market. Clinical and behavioral correlation is not enough. Getting a positive test could make someone who is new or weak in recovery give up, and then the correlation would be there, after the fact! It shook me to the core and it took all my " tools " to stay strong. Not all of us have developed enough tools to deal with this. --------- Re: Super MRO? > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:43:11 +0000 > > For me he is the most honest of available MROs has lots of board > credibility. > > At least he is aware there is a problem and he is trying to do something. > > He has helped several folks I know resoving issues with false positives with > Boards. > > Unlike Dr. Brown who actually is or has been director of EtG lab for state of > FL. > > She actually had a PsyD internet degree associate poser as an EtG " expert " > > who tried to torpedo and create helter skelter on this site till he crossed > the line > > and got himself banned from posting. > > curlyquiz <curlyquiz@...> wrote: > Is this the service run by Dr. Skipper? I am a little wary. I do > respect him for (at last) changing his mind as more and more evidence > came in; however don't forget, HE IS STILL MAKING MONEY FROM THIS TEST- > only now, by " consulting " and being an expert witness for those who are > getting screwed by it. OK, better than the former, to be sure---but > there is an old adage: " follow the money " . If this test were > discredited and no longer used, to whose benefit would that be? NOT > SKIPPER'S. > Lorie, I hope this doesn't offend you. I am not saying he is a " bad > guy " . I am just saying---buyer beware. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Keep The Faith~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eva > > > > > > > I did not say he was on "our side" just that of MRO's who have board credibility he is most aware of the problems with this test and would be most effective to help with board revocation action because he is "the" expert have not known any board to go against him. . He has helped me many others in the past. He has come out about misuse of EtG on his site www.ethylglucuronide.com For me he is still the most honest knowledgeable MRO with board cred To get a second opinion or expert testimony in a revocation action. mslizrncomcast (DOT) net wrote: I too have questioned Dr. Skipper's motives. He still makes money from EtG and now makes money from those of us who have false positives. I keep hearing he is on our side...... would like to see him come out publicly and discredit this monster he helped create!!!-------------- Original message ----------------------From: robin murray <remurraymd >> For me he is the most honest of available MROs has lots of board credibility.> > At least he is aware there is a problem and he is trying to do something.> > He has helped several folks I know resoving issues with false positives with > Boards.> > Unlike Dr. Brown who actually is or has been director of EtG lab for state of > FL.> > She actually had a PsyD internet degree associate poser as an EtG "expert"> > who tried to torpedo and create helter skelter on this site till he crossed > the line > > and got himself banned from posting.> > curlyquiz <curlyquiz > wrote:> Is this the service run by Dr. Skipper? I am a little wary. I do > respect him for (at last) changing his mind as more and more evidence > came in; however don't forget, HE IS STILL MAKING MONEY FROM THIS TEST-> only now, by "consulting" and being an expert witness for those who are > getting screwed by it. OK, better than the former, to be sure---but > there is an old adage: "follow the money". If this test were > discredited and no longer used, to whose benefit would that be? NOT > SKIPPER'S.> Lorie, I hope this doesn't offend you. I am not saying he is a "bad > guy". I am just saying---buyer beware.> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Keep The Faith~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eva> > > > From: robin murray <remurraymd >Ethylglucuronide Subject: Re: Super MRO?Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 21:43:11 +0000 For me he is the most honest of available MROs has lots of board credibility. At least he is aware there is a problem and he is trying to do something. He has helped several folks I know resoving issues with false positives with Boards. Unlike Dr. Brown who actually is or has been director of EtG lab for state of FL. She actually had a PsyD internet degree associate poser as an EtG "expert" who tried to torpedo and create helter skelter on this site till he crossed the line and got himself banned from posting.curlyquiz <curlyquiz > wrote: Is this the service run by Dr. Skipper? I am a little wary. I do respect him for (at last) changing his mind as more and more evidence came in; however don't forget, HE IS STILL MAKING MONEY FROM THIS TEST-only now, by "consulting" and being an expert witness for those who are getting screwed by it. OK, better than the former, to be sure---but there is an old adage: "follow the money". If this test were discredited and no longer used, to whose benefit would that be? NOT SKIPPER'S.Lorie, I hope this doesn't offend you. I am not saying he is a "bad guy". I am just saying---buyer beware.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Keep The Faith~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Robin, I agree with what you say; I had the opportunity to meet Dr. Skipper in person. I do believe he is honest, and does regret what is happening to people because of the faulty interpretation of this test. However, do notice that he stops short of saying that ETG should not be used; he continues to say it is a "valuable diagnostic tool" if used correctly, with clinical correlation. I understand that, but I also understand that many dangerous things are "valuable tools" if used "correctly': such as heroin; kerosene; chainsaws; the list could go on. The important point to that is,there are situations in which each of those would be so dangerous as to outweigh any usefulness. I will respect Dr. Skipper MUCH MORE when he says" we should not be using ETG because the risk of doing damage outweighs the benefit". But he does not say that, does he? He says it should be used as a "screening" tool, with clinical correlation. to determine the need for further intervention. And meanwhile, he makes $250.00 an hour from those who have been damaged. He probably won't even consult for me now after I've written all this, but...I still say..buyer beware. P.S. I totally agree about Dr. Brown also. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Keeping the Faith~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eva> Is this the service run by Dr. Skipper? I am a little wary. I do > respect him for (at last) changing his mind as more and more evidence > came in; however don't forget, HE IS STILL MAKING MONEY FROM THIS TEST-> only now, by "consulting" and being an expert witness for those who are > getting screwed by it. OK, better than the former, to be sure---but > there is an old adage: "follow the money". If this test were > discredited and no longer used, to whose benefit would that be? NOT > SKIPPER'S.> Lorie, I hope this doesn't offend you. I am not saying he is a "bad > guy". I am just saying---buyer beware.> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Keep The Faith~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eva> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? Did you not see the KMOV report? How much discredit do you need.? Dr. Skipper is no longer recommending etg. Dr, Dan Re: Super MRO? I too have questioned Dr. Skipper's motives. He still makes money from EtG and now makes money from those of us who have false positives. I keep hearing he is on our side...... would like to see him come out publicly and discredit this monster he helped create!!! -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: robin murray <remurraymd@...> > For me he is the most honest of available MROs has lots of board credibility. > > At least he is aware there is a problem and he is trying to do something. > > He has helped several folks I know resoving issues with false positives with > Boards. > > Unlike Dr. Brown who actually is or has been director of EtG lab for state of > FL. > > She actually had a PsyD internet degree associate poser as an EtG "expert" > > who tried to torpedo and create helter skelter on this site till he crossed > the line > > and got himself banned from posting. > > curlyquiz <curlyquiz@...> wrote: > Is this the service run by Dr. Skipper? I am a little wary. I do > respect him for (at last) changing his mind as more and more evidence > came in; however don't forget, HE IS STILL MAKING MONEY FROM THIS TEST- > only now, by "consulting" and being an expert witness for those who are > getting screwed by it. OK, better than the former, to be sure---but > there is an old adage: "follow the money". If this test were > discredited and no longer used, to whose benefit would that be? NOT > SKIPPER'S. > Lorie, I hope this doesn't offend you. I am not saying he is a "bad > guy". I am just saying---buyer beware. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Keep The Faith~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eva > > > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2008 Report Share Posted June 3, 2008 Obviously, I have been at the beach with my head in the sand. No, I didn't see that--do you have a link, or is there one on the site? I would love nothing more than to stand corrected with my size 11 foot lodged firmly in my mouth. It will be my pleasure! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Keep The Faith~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eva > > Is this the service run by Dr. Skipper? I am a little wary. I do > > respect him for (at last) changing his mind as more and more evidence > > came in; however don't forget, HE IS STILL MAKING MONEY FROM THIS TEST- > > only now, by " consulting " and being an expert witness for those who are > > getting screwed by it. OK, better than the former, to be sure--- but > > there is an old adage: " follow the money " . If this test were > > discredited and no longer used, to whose benefit would that be? NOT > > SKIPPER'S. > > Lorie, I hope this doesn't offend you. I am not saying he is a " bad > > guy " . I am just saying---buyer beware. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Keep The Faith~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eva > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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