Re: ANA and Arthritis and Oily Substance.

[Guest guest]

Ana also tests for Lupus. It is indicitive that something autoimmune

is going on.

I called the doc this morning and she said i did the right thing, but

i felt like she was " different " harsher. And her assistant called

and i asked her a few questions. She seemed ok but also playing some

kind of mind game like she wanted to know what i was thinking but

didn't want me to know what she was thinking or knew. i don't know,

i was just uncomfortable with the way the conversations went today.

Something rubs me wrong. I did ask her a question that i'm going to

pose here...maybe someone heard of it. After i left the dr. office i

went to kmart to get a new bra, when i was in the fitting room i

noticed a small " ball " about the size of a pin head just under my

breasts inbetween them. It was orange in color. I picked it off me

and rolled it inbetween my fingers at which point it disolved into an

oily substance. I asked the assistant if it could have been the

antiseptic that the Dr. put on me (which was orange) to clean the

area just before surgery. She didn't seem to think it was. I said

could it have been from the interior of the implant when it ripped

open she said she didn't think it was because she said she saw the

implant when it was out and nothing was open. I said, " i mean where

it was stuck to me from the valve " she said, " I take that back, i

didn't see the valve. " (I didn't see the valve either) I mentioned

sending my implant to the lab for testing as the doctor had mentioned

was possible before the surgery. She was silent and said " I don't

know " ( you see why i didn't like this conversation..lol)So it was

left at that, I wasn't really worried at all until her assistant

seemed so evasive, but probably she truly doesn't know and i still

shouldn't be worried. Maybe. Am i being suspicious, or do i think

it odd that after the " spill " occured the Dr. tells me not to sign

any important papers after the surgery because " I'm not going

remember anything " from the valium shot. Hmm., was that working on

the power of suggestion. Or am i being a bit paranoid?!

~kim

When is it recommended to get my ana

tested again to see if it

> returns to normal?

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[Guest guest]

Kim,

I am not sure what went on there....but I think you are probably right in guessing that perhaps the assistant just didn't know what she was talking about or didn't know how to answer.

It is easy to be paranoid in this issue because certain people have led us to be that way with the lies and deception that goes on.

Wow, do I sound ticked at the plastic surgery field this morning or what?! ha ha ha

Don't worry too much about it. Just concentrate on your healing, okay? I have no idea what the orange ball was, but it sounds like it was pretty small. Did I understand you right in your other letter where you were awake for the explant? Did you only have local anesthesia? and you saw the implant bust and spill?

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: kim

Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 12:53 PM

Subject: Re: ANA and Arthritis and Oily Substance.

Ana also tests for Lupus. It is indicitive that something autoimmune is going on.I called the doc this morning and she said i did the right thing, but i felt like she was "different" harsher. And her assistant called and i asked her a few questions. She seemed ok but also playing some kind of mind game like she wanted to know what i was thinking but didn't want me to know what she was thinking or knew. i don't know, i was just uncomfortable with the way the conversations went today. Something rubs me wrong. I did ask her a question that i'm going to pose here...maybe someone heard of it. After i left the dr. office i went to kmart to get a new bra, when i was in the fitting room i noticed a small "ball" about the size of a pin head just under my breasts inbetween them. It was orange in color. I picked it off me and rolled it inbetween my fingers at which point it disolved into an oily substance. I asked the assistant if it could have been the antiseptic that the Dr. put on me (which was orange) to clean the area just before surgery. She didn't seem to think it was. I said could it have been from the interior of the implant when it ripped open she said she didn't think it was because she said she saw the implant when it was out and nothing was open. I said, "i mean where it was stuck to me from the valve" she said, "I take that back, i didn't see the valve." (I didn't see the valve either) I mentioned sending my implant to the lab for testing as the doctor had mentioned was possible before the surgery. She was silent and said "I don't know" ( you see why i didn't like this conversation..lol)So it was left at that, I wasn't really worried at all until her assistant seemed so evasive, but probably she truly doesn't know and i still shouldn't be worried. Maybe. Am i being suspicious, or do i think it odd that after the "spill" occured the Dr. tells me not to sign any important papers after the surgery because "I'm not going remember anything" from the valium shot. Hmm., was that working on the power of suggestion. Or am i being a bit paranoid?!~kim

[Guest guest]

Patty,

Hi, Yes i was awake and remember everything. I saw, felt and heard

the implant bust. Partly on my chest, partly all over my clothes, I

left the office with my skirt wet. The busting of the implant is what

nags at me the most, more than the fact that everything (capsule,

etc) was left inside. My concern about the ball of possible silicone

was that maybe it was from the shell of the busted implant and more

of the same could be inside me now. I don't know what the silicone

looks like on the inside of the saline shells. Do you?

~Kim

> Kim,

> I am not sure what went on there....but I think you are probably

right in guessing that perhaps the assistant just didn't know what

she was talking about or didn't know how to answer.

>

> It is easy to be paranoid in this issue because certain people have

led us to be that way with the lies and deception that goes on.

>

> Wow, do I sound ticked at the plastic surgery field this morning or

what?! ha ha ha

> Don't worry too much about it. Just concentrate on your healing,

okay? I have no idea what the orange ball was, but it sounds like it

was pretty small. Did I understand you right in your other letter

where you were awake for the explant? Did you only have local

anesthesia? and you saw the implant bust and spill?

> Patty

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: kim

>

> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 12:53 PM

> Subject: Re: ANA and Arthritis and Oily Substance.

>

>

> Ana also tests for Lupus. It is indicitive that something

autoimmune

> is going on.

> I called the doc this morning and she said i did the right thing,

but

> i felt like she was " different " harsher. And her assistant

called

> and i asked her a few questions. She seemed ok but also playing

some

> kind of mind game like she wanted to know what i was thinking but

> didn't want me to know what she was thinking or knew. i don't

know,

> i was just uncomfortable with the way the conversations went

today.

> Something rubs me wrong. I did ask her a question that i'm going

to

> pose here...maybe someone heard of it. After i left the dr.

office i

> went to kmart to get a new bra, when i was in the fitting room i

> noticed a small " ball " about the size of a pin head just under my

> breasts inbetween them. It was orange in color. I picked it off

me

> and rolled it inbetween my fingers at which point it disolved

into an

> oily substance. I asked the assistant if it could have been the

> antiseptic that the Dr. put on me (which was orange) to clean the

> area just before surgery. She didn't seem to think it was. I

said

> could it have been from the interior of the implant when it

ripped

> open she said she didn't think it was because she said she saw

the

> implant when it was out and nothing was open. I said, " i mean

where

> it was stuck to me from the valve " she said, " I take that back,

i

> didn't see the valve. " (I didn't see the valve either) I

mentioned

> sending my implant to the lab for testing as the doctor had

mentioned

> was possible before the surgery. She was silent and said " I

don't

> know " ( you see why i didn't like this conversation..lol)So it

was

> left at that, I wasn't really worried at all until her assistant

> seemed so evasive, but probably she truly doesn't know and i

still

> shouldn't be worried. Maybe. Am i being suspicious, or do i

think

> it odd that after the " spill " occured the Dr. tells me not to

sign

> any important papers after the surgery because " I'm not going

> remember anything " from the valium shot. Hmm., was that working

on

> the power of suggestion. Or am i being a bit paranoid?!

> ~kim

[Guest guest]

Kim,

Actually, this would only really be a concern if you had silicone gel implants, which you did not. The silicone shell on a saline implant is like rubber. It is not oily or greasy and does not smear around. It would be more of the texture of a playground ball than anything. That is why I don't think you have much to worry about regarding the silicone, as in having more inside you now. There is always the concern of the textured implants flaking off into tiny, tiny particles as the macrophages attack it, but that is over time while you are implanted, not specifically during the explant procedure itself.

Your biggest concern, in my opinion, is the spilled saline. Alot of professionals would poo-poo this idea, saying "it is ONLY saline, just like salt water in your body", blah, blah, blah, but the question is, was it sterile? How long did you have your implants? It is no secret that the saline solution can become contaminated, as so many of us have found our implants filleld with fungus, microorganisms and other garbage. It would seem to me that this risk of contamination increases over time, as fluids do move back and forth between the body and the implant, either though a faulty valve system, or through a semi-permeable membrane. (We know this because saline implants do not retain their volume on the shelf....they shrink!)

Just continue to take care of yourself. Do not worry about the silicone--I doubt that it is an issue. I am not sure WHAT that orange stuff was, but I doubt very highly that it was any kind of silicone gel that is in your body in any quantity. Rest easy. But do take care of yourself and be proactive in dealing with eliminating whatever you can from your body through natural therapies.

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: kim

Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 7:41 AM

Subject: Re: ANA and Arthritis and Oily Substance.

Patty,Hi, Yes i was awake and remember everything. I saw, felt and heard the implant bust. Partly on my chest, partly all over my clothes, I left the office with my skirt wet. The busting of the implant is what nags at me the most, more than the fact that everything (capsule, etc) was left inside. My concern about the ball of possible silicone was that maybe it was from the shell of the busted implant and more of the same could be inside me now. I don't know what the silicone looks like on the inside of the saline shells. Do you?~Kim