Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 I have never heard of anyone getting a test exclusion for anything. But I'm curious, what reason would you give them for requesting an EtG exclusion? -------------- Original message -------------- From: "lauren0666" <catgrrrl9@...> I am new to the forum and will be signing a contract with IPN here soon so that I may return to work. I have been reading up on Etg testing and am scared to death that this may affect my "abstinence" in my contract as it pertains to false positives. Let me mention that I self-reported to IPN for diversion and have never had an issue with ETOH. None of my evals. indicate that I have had a problem with ETOH and I have yet to test positive for it. I am scared that an incidental false-positive could cause me a legal nightmare. Is there anyway to get test exclusions from IPN? (I am assuming not.) Although I don't have the finances for an attorney, I am willing to do just about anything to seek legal counsel prior to signing this contract if it may benefit me in the long-term. With that said, I am scared of vindication by IPN should I take such a measure. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 You should be wary . I too voluntarily entered diversion, and do not now nor have I ever had an ETOH problem. I cruised along for nearly 2 years before my first false positive. SInce have had to leave diversion due to subsequent positives, and am now on probation and again testing for EtG randomly. I have literally no peace as I know at any time another positive could take away my license and my job, and there is not a damn thing I can do to prevent it. Stay clean and sober, rely on your sponsor and your support system, and know as I do that one day hopefully soon, the truth will come out. I pray that you will coast through this without a positive, but don't count on it, the best defense is a good offense!! You are off to a good start, this site is full of data and support. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: saclorie@... > I have never heard of anyone getting a test exclusion for anything. But I'm > curious, what reason would you give them for requesting an EtG exclusion? > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: " lauren0666 " <catgrrrl9@...> > I am new to the forum and will be signing a contract with IPN here > soon so that I may return to work. I have been reading up on Etg > testing and am scared to death that this may affect my " abstinence " in > my contract as it pertains to false positives. Let me mention that I > self-reported to IPN for diversion and have never had an issue with > ETOH. None of my evals. indicate that I have had a problem with ETOH > and I have yet to test positive for it. I am scared that an > incidental false-positive could cause me a legal nightmare. Is there > anyway to get test exclusions from IPN? (I am assuming not.) > Although I don't have the finances for an attorney, I am willing to do > just about anything to seek legal counsel prior to signing this > contract if it may benefit me in the long-term. With that said, I am > scared of vindication by IPN should I take such a measure. Any advice > would be greatly appreciated. > > I have never heard of anyone getting a test exclusion for anything. But I'm curious, what reason would you give them for requesting an EtG exclusion? -------------- Original message -------------- From: "lauren0666" <catgrrrl9 > I am new to the forum and will be signing a contract with IPN here soon so that I may return to work. I have been reading up on Etg testing and am scared to death that this may affect my "abstinence" in my contract as it pertains to false positives. Let me mention that I self-reported to IPN for diversion and have never had an issue with ETOH. None of my evals. indicate that I have had a problem with ETOH and I have yet to test positive for it. I am scared that an incidental false-positive could cause me a legal nightmare. Is there anyway to get test exclusions from IPN? (I am assuming not.) Although I don't have the finances for an attorney, I am willing to do just about anything to seek legal counsel prior to signing this contract if it may benefit me in the long-term. With that said, I am scared of vindication by IPN should I take such a measure. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 hi Lorie....don't know if you remember me but I tested pos for etg about a year ago. you helped me tremendously, and I am very appreciative. In answer to your question regarding exclusion from etg testing, I am now excluded from etg testing due to diabetes. I went to an addictionologist who told me I should have never been asked to do an etg because of diabetes. The IPN took his advice and I now do blood alcohol testing instead, thank God. > > I have never heard of anyone getting a test exclusion for anything. But I'm curious, what reason would you give them for requesting an EtG exclusion? > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: " lauren0666 " catgrrrl9@... > I am new to the forum and will be signing a contract with IPN here > soon so that I may return to work. I have been reading up on Etg > testing and am scared to death that this may affect my " abstinence " in > my contract as it pertains to false positives. Let me mention that I > self-reported to IPN for diversion and have never had an issue with > ETOH. None of my evals. indicate that I have had a problem with ETOH > and I have yet to test positive for it. I am scared that an > incidental false-positive could cause me a legal nightmare. Is there > anyway to get test exclusions from IPN? (I am assuming not.) > Although I don't have the finances for an attorney, I am willing to do > just about anything to seek legal counsel prior to signing this > contract if it may benefit me in the long-term. With that said, I am > scared of vindication by IPN should I take such a measure. Any advice > would be greatly appreciated. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 I think you have sound legal grounds to demand exclusion from etg testing if you are willing to accept any other type of alcohol monitoring. I think this would be precident setting. Before signing contract add a notation that you do not agree to etg testing. What state are you from? Dr. Dan etg, IPN, false pos. I am new to the forum and will be signing a contract with IPN here soon so that I may return to work. I have been reading up on Etg testing and am scared to death that this may affect my "abstinence" in my contract as it pertains to false positives. Let me mention that I self-reported to IPN for diversion and have never had an issue with ETOH. None of my evals. indicate that I have had a problem with ETOH and I have yet to test positive for it. I am scared that an incidental false-positive could cause me a legal nightmare. Is there anyway to get test exclusions from IPN? (I am assuming not.) Although I don't have the finances for an attorney, I am willing to do just about anything to seek legal counsel prior to signing this contract if it may benefit me in the long-term. With that said, I am scared of vindication by IPN should I take such a measure. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 Lorie That is our job. We need to give him reasons.Dr. Dan Re: etg, IPN, false pos. I have never heard of anyone getting a test exclusion for anything. But I'm curious, what reason would you give them for requesting an EtG exclusion? -------------- Original message -------------- From: "lauren0666" <catgrrrl9@...> I am new to the forum and will be signing a contract with IPN here soon so that I may return to work. I have been reading up on Etg testing and am scared to death that this may affect my "abstinence" in my contract as it pertains to false positives. Let me mention that I self-reported to IPN for diversion and have never had an issue with ETOH. None of my evals. indicate that I have had a problem with ETOH and I have yet to test positive for it. I am scared that an incidental false-positive could cause me a legal nightmare. Is there anyway to get test exclusions from IPN? (I am assuming not.) Although I don't have the finances for an attorney, I am willing to do just about anything to seek legal counsel prior to signing this contract if it may benefit me in the long-term. With that said, I am scared of vindication by IPN should I take such a measure. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 Dr. Dan: Thanks for your reply. I am from Florida and am awaiting the contract to arrive before I make any waves. However, as this is a voluntary program that intervenes before the level of the state boards, they will most likely tell me to sign it or deal with the BON. Any word on what the status is of having this test withdrawn within the health regulatory agencies in Florida? (I know, wishful thinking!) From: danramo@... <danramo@...>Subject: Re: etg, IPN, false pos.Ethylglucuronide Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 12:58 PM I think you have sound legal grounds to demand exclusion from etg testing if you are willing to accept any other type of alcohol monitoring. I think this would be precident setting. Before signing contract add a notation that you do not agree to etg testing. What state are you from? Dr. Dan etg, IPN, false pos. I am new to the forum and will be signing a contract with IPN here soon so that I may return to work. I have been reading up on Etg testing and am scared to death that this may affect my "abstinence" in my contract as it pertains to false positives. Let me mention that I self-reported to IPN for diversion and have never had an issue with ETOH. None of my evals. indicate that I have had a problem with ETOH and I have yet to test positive for it. I am scared that an incidental false-positive could cause me a legal nightmare. Is there anyway to get test exclusions from IPN? (I am assuming not.) Although I don't have the finances for an attorney, I am willing to do just about anything to seek legal counsel prior to signing this contract if it may benefit me in the long-term. With that said, I am scared of vindication by IPN should I take such a measure. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. ------------ --------- --------- ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 Lorie: Lack of test validity, wide range of testing interpretation necessary with appropriate clinical correlation to name few. Not to mention my evals indicate no current or prior history with ETOH. While my livelihood relies on the results of this one highly fallible test, I would be more open to other forms of ETOH testing that have higher rates of efficacy. From: danramo@... <danramo@...>Subject: Re: etg, IPN, false pos.Ethylglucuronide Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 1:02 PM Lorie That is our job. We need to give him reasons.Dr. Dan Re: etg, IPN, false pos. I have never heard of anyone getting a test exclusion for anything. But I'm curious, what reason would you give them for requesting an EtG exclusion? ------------ -- Original message ------------ -- From: "lauren0666" <catgrrrl9 (DOT) com> I am new to the forum and will be signing a contract with IPN here soon so that I may return to work. I have been reading up on Etg testing and am scared to death that this may affect my "abstinence" in my contract as it pertains to false positives. Let me mention that I self-reported to IPN for diversion and have never had an issue with ETOH. None of my evals. indicate that I have had a problem with ETOH and I have yet to test positive for it. I am scared that an incidental false-positive could cause me a legal nightmare. Is there anyway to get test exclusions from IPN? (I am assuming not.) Although I don't have the finances for an attorney, I am willing to do just about anything to seek legal counsel prior to signing this contract if it may benefit me in the long-term. With that said, I am scared of vindication by IPN should I take such a measure. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 Chances are slim and none Martha Brown is on a crudade to protect the public... Sobriety monitors say their main responsibility is to protect the public. "I had one physician walk into my office with a [low-level EtG score] and he said he didn't drink," says Martha Brown, a University of South Florida psychiatrist who monitors addicted professionals. "He looked great. I believed him." Six months later, he admitted he had been drinking all along, she says. This is her belief system you are guilty until proven innocent... FL and CA are the 2 worst states in my experience. She is also MRO for EtG lab getting kickback consultative fees... What does it matter if a few addicts lose their families careers lives compared to protecting the public? This is her mind set She is simply unwilling to admit false positives can and do occur And unwilling to do proper clinical correlation... On Sat, 7/26/08, catgrrrl <catgrrrl9@...> wrote: From: catgrrrl <catgrrrl9@...>Subject: Re: etg, IPN, false pos.Ethylglucuronide Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 3:27 PM Dr. Dan: Thanks for your reply. I am from Florida and am awaiting the contract to arrive before I make any waves. However, as this is a voluntary program that intervenes before the level of the state boards, they will most likely tell me to sign it or deal with the BON. Any word on what the status is of having this test withdrawn within the health regulatory agencies in Florida? (I know, wishful thinking!) From: danramoaol (DOT) com <danramoaol (DOT) com>Subject: Re: etg, IPN, false pos.EthylglucuronideDate: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 12:58 PM I think you have sound legal grounds to demand exclusion from etg testing if you are willing to accept any other type of alcohol monitoring. I think this would be precident setting. Before signing contract add a notation that you do not agree to etg testing. What state are you from? Dr. Dan etg, IPN, false pos. I am new to the forum and will be signing a contract with IPN here soon so that I may return to work. I have been reading up on Etg testing and am scared to death that this may affect my "abstinence" in my contract as it pertains to false positives. Let me mention that I self-reported to IPN for diversion and have never had an issue with ETOH. None of my evals. indicate that I have had a problem with ETOH and I have yet to test positive for it. I am scared that an incidental false-positive could cause me a legal nightmare. Is there anyway to get test exclusions from IPN? (I am assuming not.) Although I don't have the finances for an attorney, I am willing to do just about anything to seek legal counsel prior to signing this contract if it may benefit me in the long-term. With that said, I am scared of vindication by IPN should I take such a measure. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. ------------ --------- --------- ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 Thank you for your reply. Are you in Florida as well? If so, what year did you enter the program? > > You should be wary . I too voluntarily entered diversion, and do not now nor have I ever had an ETOH problem. I cruised along for nearly 2 years before my first false positive. SInce have had to leave diversion due to subsequent positives, and am now on probation and again testing for EtG randomly. I have literally no peace as I know at any time another positive could take away my license and my job, and there is not a damn thing I can do to prevent it. Stay clean and sober, rely on your sponsor and your support system, and know as I do that one day hopefully soon, the truth will come out. I pray that you will coast through this without a positive, but don't count on it, the best defense is a good offense!! You are off to a good start, this site is full of data and support. > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: saclorie@... > > I have never heard of anyone getting a test exclusion for anything. But I'm > > curious, what reason would you give them for requesting an EtG exclusion? > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: " lauren0666 " <catgrrrl9@...> > > I am new to the forum and will be signing a contract with IPN here > > soon so that I may return to work. I have been reading up on Etg > > testing and am scared to death that this may affect my " abstinence " in > > my contract as it pertains to false positives. Let me mention that I > > self-reported to IPN for diversion and have never had an issue with > > ETOH. None of my evals. indicate that I have had a problem with ETOH > > and I have yet to test positive for it. I am scared that an > > incidental false-positive could cause me a legal nightmare. Is there > > anyway to get test exclusions from IPN? (I am assuming not.) > > Although I don't have the finances for an attorney, I am willing to do > > just about anything to seek legal counsel prior to signing this > > contract if it may benefit me in the long-term. With that said, I am > > scared of vindication by IPN should I take such a measure. Any advice > > would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 Congrats! How does the Calif. Program work? I have heard about Diversion and the monitoring program. What is the difference? Were you able to seek any legal counsel? As for myself, I have a 8 1/2 mo. hx. with Dilaudid and have been clean and sober since tapering under MD supervision on 06/20/08. I know that it doesn't seem like long to those in sobriety, but it is an accomplishment to me. I am attempting to challenge the Etg in lieu of other ETOH monitoring tests prior to signing my contract, however, I doubt that I will be successful. With that said, I am considering being proactive with paying for independent laboratory testing on a weekly basis (yes, I know, expensive, but no more than losing my license) to support my program of sobriety should I have a false positive on the Etg. I truly feel that RN's in each state need to work together to fight erroneous test results. I am game for Florida. Anyone else? What steps have you taken in the meantime? Thanks again for your help and support. > > > > > > You should be wary . I too voluntarily entered diversion, > > and do not now nor have I ever had an ETOH problem. I cruised along > > for nearly 2 years before my first false positive. SInce have had to > > leave diversion due to subsequent positives, and am now on probation > > and again testing for EtG randomly. I have literally no peace as I > > know at any time another positive could take away my license and my > > job, and there is not a damn thing I can do to prevent it. Stay > > clean and sober, rely on your sponsor and your support system, and > > know as I do that one day hopefully soon, the truth will come out. I > > pray that you will coast through this without a positive, but don't > > count on it, the best defense is a good offense!! You are off to a > > good start, this site is full of data and support. > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > > From: saclorie@ > > > > I have never heard of anyone getting a test exclusion for > > anything. But I'm > > > > curious, what reason would you give them for requesting an EtG > > exclusion? > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > > From: " lauren0666 " <catgrrrl9@> > > > > I am new to the forum and will be signing a contract with IPN > > here > > > > soon so that I may return to work. I have been reading up on Etg > > > > testing and am scared to death that this may affect > > my " abstinence " in > > > > my contract as it pertains to false positives. Let me mention > > that I > > > > self-reported to IPN for diversion and have never had an issue > > with > > > > ETOH. None of my evals. indicate that I have had a problem with > > ETOH > > > > and I have yet to test positive for it. I am scared that an > > > > incidental false-positive could cause me a legal nightmare. Is > > there > > > > anyway to get test exclusions from IPN? (I am assuming not.) > > > > Although I don't have the finances for an attorney, I am willing > > to do > > > > just about anything to seek legal counsel prior to signing this > > > > contract if it may benefit me in the long-term. With that said, > > I am > > > > scared of vindication by IPN should I take such a measure. Any > > advice > > > > would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 I thought you had some medical condition that might allow for an exclusion. I can only say that in California, none of those reasons would be considered adequate. "No current or prior history with EtOH" would not matter. Everyone who is tested is tested for alcohol. It's all because of the "gateway theory". I have never had any EtOH history either. But I've had 9 positive EtG's that have had horrendous consequences that I've listed already on this site. I now take witnessed Antabuse to prove that I didn't drink when I have positive EtG's. Antabuse trumps EtG. It's crazy. --------- Re: etg, IPN, false pos. I have never heard of anyone getting a test exclusion for anything. But I'm curious, what reason would you give them for requesting an EtG exclusion? ------------ -- Original message ------------ -- From: "lauren0666" <catgrrrl9 (DOT) com> I am new to the forum and will be signing a contract with IPN here soon so that I may return to work. I have been reading up on Etg testing and am scared to death that this may affect my "abstinence" in my contract as it pertains to false positives. Let me mention that I self-reported to IPN for diversion and have never had an issue with ETOH. None of my evals. indicate that I have had a problem with ETOH and I have yet to test positive for it. I am scared that an incidental false-positive could cause me a legal nightmare. Is there anyway to get test exclusions from IPN? (I am assuming not.) Although I don't have the finances for an attorney, I am willing to do just about anything to seek legal counsel prior to signing this contract if it may benefit me in the long-term. With that said, I am scared of vindication by IPN should I take such a measure. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 I have no problem submitting to ETOH testing in other forms, just not Etg testing, d/t the lack of validity of the testing, as presented in med journals, and as discussed in this forum. > > From: danramo@... <danramo@...> > Subject: Re: etg, IPN, false pos. > Ethylglucuronide > Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 1:02 PM > > > Lorie That is our job. We need to give him reasons.Dr. Dan > > > Re: etg, IPN, false pos. > > > I have never heard of anyone getting a test exclusion for anything. But I'm curious, what reason would you give them for requesting an EtG exclusion? > > ------------ -- Original message ------------ -- > From: " lauren0666 " <catgrrrl9 (DOT) com> > > I am new to the forum and will be signing a contract with IPN here > soon so that I may return to work. I have been reading up on Etg > testing and am scared to death that this may affect my " abstinence " in > my contract as it pertains to false positives. Let me mention that I > self-reported to IPN for diversion and have never had an issue with > ETOH. None of my evals. indicate that I have had a problem with ETOH > and I have yet to test positive for it. I am scared that an > incidental false-positive could cause me a legal nightmare. Is there > anyway to get test exclusions from IPN? (I am assuming not.) > Although I don't have the finances for an attorney, I am willing to do > just about anything to seek legal counsel prior to signing this > contract if it may benefit me in the long-term. With that said, I am > scared of vindication by IPN should I take such a measure. Any advice > would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 I completely agree with you on the labs profiting from the double- tesing, however, I feel that I need to take a pro-active approach as a C.Y.A. so that the validity of a false-positive can be argued if necessary. Unfortunately, it has come to this it seems. I want to protect my license at all costs and can see this as the only means beyond my solid program of recovery. > > > > > > > > You should be wary . I too voluntarily entered > diversion, > > > and do not now nor have I ever had an ETOH problem. I cruised > along > > > for nearly 2 years before my first false positive. SInce have > had to > > > leave diversion due to subsequent positives, and am now on > probation > > > and again testing for EtG randomly. I have literally no peace as > I > > > know at any time another positive could take away my license and > my > > > job, and there is not a damn thing I can do to prevent it. Stay > > > clean and sober, rely on your sponsor and your support system, > and > > > know as I do that one day hopefully soon, the truth will come > out. I > > > pray that you will coast through this without a positive, but > don't > > > count on it, the best defense is a good offense!! You are off to > a > > > good start, this site is full of data and support. > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > > > From: saclorie@ > > > > > I have never heard of anyone getting a test exclusion for > > > anything. But I'm > > > > > curious, what reason would you give them for requesting an > EtG > > > exclusion? > > > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > > > From: " lauren0666 " <catgrrrl9@> > > > > > I am new to the forum and will be signing a contract with > IPN > > > here > > > > > soon so that I may return to work. I have been reading up on > Etg > > > > > testing and am scared to death that this may affect > > > my " abstinence " in > > > > > my contract as it pertains to false positives. Let me > mention > > > that I > > > > > self-reported to IPN for diversion and have never had an > issue > > > with > > > > > ETOH. None of my evals. indicate that I have had a problem > with > > > ETOH > > > > > and I have yet to test positive for it. I am scared that an > > > > > incidental false-positive could cause me a legal nightmare. > Is > > > there > > > > > anyway to get test exclusions from IPN? (I am assuming not.) > > > > > Although I don't have the finances for an attorney, I am > willing > > > to do > > > > > just about anything to seek legal counsel prior to signing > this > > > > > contract if it may benefit me in the long-term. With that > said, > > > I am > > > > > scared of vindication by IPN should I take such a measure. > Any > > > advice > > > > > would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 hello again, Lorie, the addictionologist stated that a diabetic would not have a reliable test result due to the possibility of fermentation and glucose in the urine. He was not extremely scientific with that answer but it made sense to me and the IPN agreed to do blood alcohol instead. I just hope they stick to that decision. They have had plenty of positive ETG on people who have no hx of etoh use or abuse and whom state they did not drink, but continue to demand the test as well as other disciplinary authorities across the nation, as we all know. i still live in fear of having to resume etg testing in the future since the first etg experience was such a night mare as it is for all of us who must deal with this bogus test. take care, Jess > > > I second that as I am low blood sugar , I am working on it though by making > myself eat in the morn and not drinking as much coffee(1 small cup ), and my > plus is more energy to toil in the dirt and get on with life .n a message > dated 7/26/2008 12:13:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, saclorie@... writes: > > > > > I'm happy for you! I know there are other diabetics here who are having EtG > problems. Can you be more specific about the reason the addictionologist said > that a person with diabetes should not be tested for EtG, but blood alcohol > instead? It may help others. > Lorie > > > > > > > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Do you happen to know which states? I have tried to do a search but am not finding much. Thanks again for your continued assistance. > > > > > > From: danramo@ <danramo@ > > > > Subject: Re: etg, IPN, false pos. > > > Ethylglucuronide > > > Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 1:02 PM > > > > > > > > > Lorie That is our job. We need to give him reasons.Dr. Dan > > > > > > > > > Re: etg, IPN, false pos. > > > > > > > > > I have never heard of anyone getting a test exclusion for > > anything. But I'm curious, what reason would you give them for > > requesting an EtG exclusion? > > > > > > ------------ -- Original message ------------ -- > > > From: " lauren0666 " <catgrrrl9 (DOT) com> > > > > > > I am new to the forum and will be signing a contract with IPN here > > > soon so that I may return to work. I have been reading up on Etg > > > testing and am scared to death that this may affect > > my " abstinence " in > > > my contract as it pertains to false positives. Let me mention that > > I > > > self-reported to IPN for diversion and have never had an issue > > with > > > ETOH. None of my evals. indicate that I have had a problem with > > ETOH > > > and I have yet to test positive for it. I am scared that an > > > incidental false-positive could cause me a legal nightmare. Is > > there > > > anyway to get test exclusions from IPN? (I am assuming not.) > > > Although I don't have the finances for an attorney, I am willing > > to do > > > just about anything to seek legal counsel prior to signing this > > > contract if it may benefit me in the long-term. With that said, I > > am > > > scared of vindication by IPN should I take such a measure. Any > > advice > > > would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ > > Toolbar Now! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 in PA, the people that I question about testing, tell me that the Options that they are using do not include EtG, as far as I can tell.........and I have not heard of anyone in my area getting accused of +EtG........so I as assuming that they have " quietly " given it up....... > > > > > > > > > > From: danramo@ <danramo@ > > > > > > Subject: Re: etg, IPN, false pos. > > > > > Ethylglucuronide > > > > > Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 1:02 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lorie That is our job. We need to give him reasons.Dr. Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: etg, IPN, false pos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have never heard of anyone getting a test exclusion for > > > > anything. But I'm curious, what reason would you give them for > > > > requesting an EtG exclusion? > > > > > > > > > > ------------ -- Original message ------------ -- > > > > > From: " lauren0666 " <catgrrrl9 (DOT) com> > > > > > > > > > > I am new to the forum and will be signing a contract with IPN > here > > > > > soon so that I may return to work. I have been reading up on Etg > > > > > testing and am scared to death that this may affect > > > > my " abstinence " in > > > > > my contract as it pertains to false positives. Let me mention > that > > > > I > > > > > self-reported to IPN for diversion and have never had an issue > > > > with > > > > > ETOH. None of my evals. indicate that I have had a problem with > > > > ETOH > > > > > and I have yet to test positive for it. I am scared that an > > > > > incidental false-positive could cause me a legal nightmare. Is > > > > there > > > > > anyway to get test exclusions from IPN? (I am assuming not.) > > > > > Although I don't have the finances for an attorney, I am willing > > > > to do > > > > > just about anything to seek legal counsel prior to signing this > > > > > contract if it may benefit me in the long-term. With that said, > I > > > > am > > > > > scared of vindication by IPN should I take such a measure. Any > > > > advice > > > > > would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the > TMZ > > > > Toolbar Now! > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 If you don't have a problem with alcohol and it wasn't involved in you reporting yourself (or someone reporting you), then IPN will not test you for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Oh yes they will! One of the nurses in my IPN group had a low positive EtG, and she *never* had an alcohol problem - her drug of choice was opiates. She was also pregnant, and a gestational diabetic. Along with my recent discovery that I have diabetes as well, it's one of those things that make me go " Hmmmm... " > If you don't have a problem with alcohol and it wasn't involved in you > reporting yourself (or someone reporting you), then IPN will not test > you for it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 > > From: skinkface <skinkface@...> > Subject: Re: etg, IPN, false pos. > Ethylglucuronide > Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:06 PM > hello skin....just to let you know, my doc was never alcohol but I was tested for ETG on a regular basis until I saw an addictionologist after a false pos ETG who informed the IPN that it was inaproppriate to have a diabetic screen with ETG's. I have not had to do ETG's since but IPN does require some people to do them despite drug of choice. > > > > > > If you don't have a problem with alcohol and it wasn't involved in you > reporting yourself (or someone reporting you), then IPN will not test > you for it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 In my state, no matter what you were reported for, you are tested for ETG becuase they think we will cross-addict, e.g. from opiates to ETOH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 In my state, no matter what you were reported for, you are tested for ETG becuase they think we will cross-addict, e.g. from opiates to ETOH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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