Re: Spoke with Maximus today

[Guest guest]

Who at Maximus told you the cutoff is 500

>

> Probably old news but she told me here in CA that they have raised

the

> acceptable level to 500. Told her my biggest concern was this test

> and how little control we actually have in resuming our careers.

It

> was than that I realized that their interest was not in the truth

but

> in justifying their positions. I don't drink at all and

explaining my

> fears about this I was referred to the " this sounds like addictive

> thinking " line. I also volunterred to be tested daily but was told

> that was too expensive to do and that they could find no value in

> doing that test. Even after explaining the science behind daily

> testing and how that would truly disprove etoh ingestion....still

did

> not see value. As for me, I will test myself daily at their own

labs

> and hope that I never need to use that data...hopefully I can

write it

> off as either a medical or business ecpense. So I have now decided

> that truth is not the best policy and will be the good little b***h

> that they want me to be:)

>

> Ken

>

[Guest guest]

my case worker...jackie perry as of 2 days ago

--- saveh99 <gsxrn99@...> wrote:

>

> Who at Maximus told you the cutoff is 500

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Probably old news but she told me here in CA that

> they have raised

> the

> > acceptable level to 500. Told her my biggest

> concern was this test

> > and how little control we actually have in

> resuming our careers.

> It

> > was than that I realized that their interest was

> not in the truth

> but

> > in justifying their positions. I don't drink at

> all and

> explaining my

> > fears about this I was referred to the " this

> sounds like addictive

> > thinking " line. I also volunterred to be tested

> daily but was told

> > that was too expensive to do and that they could

> find no value in

> > doing that test. Even after explaining the

> science behind daily

> > testing and how that would truly disprove etoh

> ingestion....still

> did

> > not see value. As for me, I will test myself

> daily at their own

> labs

> > and hope that I never need to use that

> data...hopefully I can

> write it

> > off as either a medical or business ecpense. So I

> have now decided

> > that truth is not the best policy and will be the

> good little b***h

> > that they want me to be:)

> >

> > Ken

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Addictive thinking? I suppose it's a " character defect " to be concerned

about your ability to work? What would they suggest? Just put it in the

hands of your HP, pray on it, and do the next right thing and everything

will be peachy? Trust me, it doesn't work that way!

Hey, curlyquiz...Sorry to bust your animosity (oops...I mean

anonymity!)...but as a CA diversion RN, how does it feel to hear that

the cutoff is now 500? What will that do in your case? Weren't your

levels 250 and 450? I'll be really curious to see how they handle your

case!

Ken, you are very perceptive of all these " players " . Go with your gut

instinct. It's usually 100% right.

>

> Probably old news but she told me here in CA that they have raised the

> acceptable level to 500. Told her my biggest concern was this test

> and how little control we actually have in resuming our careers. It

> was than that I realized that their interest was not in the truth but

> in justifying their positions. I don't drink at all and explaining my

> fears about this I was referred to the " this sounds like addictive

> thinking " line. I also volunterred to be tested daily but was told

> that was too expensive to do and that they could find no value in

> doing that test. Even after explaining the science behind daily

> testing and how that would truly disprove etoh ingestion....still did

> not see value. As for me, I will test myself daily at their own labs

> and hope that I never need to use that data...hopefully I can write it

> off as either a medical or business ecpense. So I have now decided

> that truth is not the best policy and will be the good little b***h

> that they want me to be:)

>

> Ken

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Lorie..no worries,anonymity is in the eye of the beholder Yeah,

that does give me mixed feelings, hearing that Jackie states

that the cutoff is now 500..but it also makes me feel good, and on a

little more solid ground. Yes, my levels were 250 and 450. So

technically ( AND REALISTICALLY) I should never have been removed from

work to begin with. And at this point I would probably be in

transition at least.Instead I am waiting for the summons from the

State of Ca and HOPING to be offered the OPPORTUNITY to test for a

minimum of 3 more years so I can have a permanently black- marked

license....hmmmm....well, that's the sitch, and I'm gonna deal with

it. But believe me I will argue my case to anybody in my path, when

the time comes. And it will come. My job right now is to continue

recovery and not get complacent while in limbo. I try not to think

of the day that I have to give up my hazelnut coffee creamer

{{{{shudder}}}} and almost everything else under the sun. Oh well,

maybe I'll lose weight!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~KEEP THE FAITH~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eva

> >

> > Probably old news but she told me here in CA that they have raised the

> > acceptable level to 500. Told her my biggest concern was this test

> > and how little control we actually have in resuming our careers. It

> > was than that I realized that their interest was not in the truth but

> > in justifying their positions. I don't drink at all and explaining my

> > fears about this I was referred to the " this sounds like addictive

> > thinking " line. I also volunterred to be tested daily but was told

> > that was too expensive to do and that they could find no value in

> > doing that test. Even after explaining the science behind daily

> > testing and how that would truly disprove etoh ingestion....still did

> > not see value. As for me, I will test myself daily at their own labs

> > and hope that I never need to use that data...hopefully I can write it

> > off as either a medical or business ecpense. So I have now decided

> > that truth is not the best policy and will be the good little b***h

> > that they want me to be:)

> >

> > Ken

> >

>

[Guest guest]

---

I am new to the diversion program 6/1/06, on the 2nd dec on 8/31/06

they changed my sobriety date, whenever I can get a neg etg.

I thought about dropping out of diversion. Is that what you did and

go the probation route? How long have you been in diversion and

when did thy start using etg?

Confused on what I should do.

In Ethylglucuronide , " curlyquiz " <curlyquiz@...>

wrote:

>

>

> Hey Lorie..no worries,anonymity is in the eye of the beholder

Yeah,

> that does give me mixed feelings, hearing that Jackie states

> that the cutoff is now 500..but it also makes me feel good, and on

a

> little more solid ground. Yes, my levels were 250 and 450. So

> technically ( AND REALISTICALLY) I should never have been removed

from

> work to begin with. And at this point I would probably be in

> transition at least.Instead I am waiting for the summons from the

> State of Ca and HOPING to be offered the OPPORTUNITY to test for a

> minimum of 3 more years so I can have a permanently black- marked

> license....hmmmm....well, that's the sitch, and I'm gonna deal with

> it. But believe me I will argue my case to anybody in my path, when

> the time comes. And it will come. My job right now is to continue

> recovery and not get complacent while in limbo. I try not to

think

> of the day that I have to give up my hazelnut coffee creamer

> {{{{shudder}}}} and almost everything else under the sun. Oh well,

> maybe I'll lose weight!

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~KEEP THE FAITH~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eva

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Probably old news but she told me here in CA that they have

raised the

> > > acceptable level to 500. Told her my biggest concern was this

test

> > > and how little control we actually have in resuming our

careers. It

> > > was than that I realized that their interest was not in the

truth but

> > > in justifying their positions. I don't drink at all and

explaining my

> > > fears about this I was referred to the " this sounds like

addictive

> > > thinking " line. I also volunterred to be tested daily but was

told

> > > that was too expensive to do and that they could find no value

in

> > > doing that test. Even after explaining the science behind daily

> > > testing and how that would truly disprove etoh

ingestion....still did

> > > not see value. As for me, I will test myself daily at their

own labs

> > > and hope that I never need to use that data...hopefully I can

write it

> > > off as either a medical or business ecpense. So I have now

decided

> > > that truth is not the best policy and will be the good little

b***h

> > > that they want me to be:)

> > >

> > > Ken

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well, that is what I did, but I hesitate to recommend it to anyone.

See, I had 3 YEARS under my belt when this etg thing hit.I had already

done everything possible to clear myself and avoid incidental alcohol.

At that time it was a black hole of misinformation. It is a litle

better now, and since you just started a few months ago, my advice

would be to stick it for now, accept the new sobriety date and see

what happens. It does seem like things are starting to change. With

probation, you will always have a black mark on your license. You can

go that route if you have to, but..So, why did you get a new sobriety

date? Did you have a positive ETG? Did you relapse? (Forgive me for

being forward but I haven't been keeping up daily, so if you've

already told your story, I'm sorry to make you repeat it.)Good luck,

and remember: DIVERSION IS NOT THE SAME THING AS RECOVERY.

~~~~~~~~~~~Keep The Faith~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eva

> > > >

> > > > Probably old news but she told me here in CA that they have

> raised the

> > > > acceptable level to 500. Told her my biggest concern was this

> test

> > > > and how little control we actually have in resuming our

> careers. It

> > > > was than that I realized that their interest was not in the

> truth but

> > > > in justifying their positions. I don't drink at all and

> explaining my

> > > > fears about this I was referred to the " this sounds like

> addictive

> > > > thinking " line. I also volunterred to be tested daily but was

> told

> > > > that was too expensive to do and that they could find no value

> in

> > > > doing that test. Even after explaining the science behind daily

> > > > testing and how that would truly disprove etoh

> ingestion....still did

> > > > not see value. As for me, I will test myself daily at their

> own labs

> > > > and hope that I never need to use that data...hopefully I can

> write it

> > > > off as either a medical or business ecpense. So I have now

> decided

> > > > that truth is not the best policy and will be the good little

> b***h

> > > > that they want me to be:)

> > > >

> > > > Ken

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

---

I have 5 months clean from opiates. Started divresion officilly

6/1/06 everything was going ok, I have heard horror stories of

positive etg and have avoided everthing wiht alcohol, so I thought.

Was approved to go to europe on a cruise. Then 1 week before the

cruise they said I had a positive ETG of 730 and I can't go. I was

dumb founded. I did not drink, but they consider everything over

500 now a relapse and they set my sobriety date back. My second test

10 days after was 450. Now I am waiting for the 3rd test, I sure it

is positive, because I have not clue what I changed that is causing

these results. The only thing different is that I had very

concentrated urine, those days, because I was told that I had a

previous dilute urine.

Oh well. I just want to know what I am doing wrong to stop this.

Thanks for your reply.

In Ethylglucuronide , " curlyquiz " <curlyquiz@...>

wrote:

>

> Well, that is what I did, but I hesitate to recommend it to anyone.

> See, I had 3 YEARS under my belt when this etg thing hit.I had

already

> done everything possible to clear myself and avoid incidental

alcohol.

> At that time it was a black hole of misinformation. It is a litle

> better now, and since you just started a few months ago, my advice

> would be to stick it for now, accept the new sobriety date and see

> what happens. It does seem like things are starting to change. With

> probation, you will always have a black mark on your license. You

can

> go that route if you have to, but..So, why did you get a new

sobriety

> date? Did you have a positive ETG? Did you relapse? (Forgive me for

> being forward but I haven't been keeping up daily, so if you've

> already told your story, I'm sorry to make you repeat it.)Good

luck,

> and remember: DIVERSION IS NOT THE SAME THING AS RECOVERY.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~Keep The Faith~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eva

>

>

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > Probably old news but she told me here in CA that they

have

> > raised the

> > > > > acceptable level to 500. Told her my biggest concern was

this

> > test

> > > > > and how little control we actually have in resuming our

> > careers. It

> > > > > was than that I realized that their interest was not in

the

> > truth but

> > > > > in justifying their positions. I don't drink at all and

> > explaining my

> > > > > fears about this I was referred to the " this sounds like

> > addictive

> > > > > thinking " line. I also volunterred to be tested daily but

was

> > told

> > > > > that was too expensive to do and that they could find no

value

> > in

> > > > > doing that test. Even after explaining the science behind

daily

> > > > > testing and how that would truly disprove etoh

> > ingestion....still did

> > > > > not see value. As for me, I will test myself daily at

their

> > own labs

> > > > > and hope that I never need to use that data...hopefully I

can

> > write it

> > > > > off as either a medical or business ecpense. So I have now

> > decided

> > > > > that truth is not the best policy and will be the good

little

> > b***h

> > > > > that they want me to be:)

> > > > >

> > > > > Ken

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

hi julie a very concentrated urine will surely elavate,sometimes even double,triple your etg number...if you can get the specific gravity of each of your urines you can do the math on what etg would be with normal specific gravity,probably within acceptable range,regards...jhartman32001 <jhartman32001@...> wrote: --- I have 5 months clean from opiates. Started divresion officilly 6/1/06 everything was going ok, I have heard horror stories of positive etg and have

avoided everthing wiht alcohol, so I thought. Was approved to go to europe on a cruise. Then 1 week before the cruise they said I had a positive ETG of 730 and I can't go. I was dumb founded. I did not drink, but they consider everything over 500 now a relapse and they set my sobriety date back. My second test 10 days after was 450. Now I am waiting for the 3rd test, I sure it is positive, because I have not clue what I changed that is causing these results. The only thing different is that I had very concentrated urine, those days, because I was told that I had a previous dilute urine.Oh well. I just want to know what I am doing wrong to stop this.Thanks for your reply. In Ethylglucuronide , "curlyquiz" <curlyquiz@...> wrote:>> Well, that is what I did, but I hesitate to recommend it to anyone.>

See, I had 3 YEARS under my belt when this etg thing hit.I had already> done everything possible to clear myself and avoid incidental alcohol.> At that time it was a black hole of misinformation. It is a litle> better now, and since you just started a few months ago, my advice> would be to stick it for now, accept the new sobriety date and see> what happens. It does seem like things are starting to change. With> probation, you will always have a black mark on your license. You can> go that route if you have to, but..So, why did you get a new sobriety> date? Did you have a positive ETG? Did you relapse? (Forgive me for> being forward but I haven't been keeping up daily, so if you've> already told your story, I'm sorry to make you repeat it.)Good luck,> and remember: DIVERSION IS NOT THE SAME THING AS RECOVERY.> ~~~~~~~~~~~Keep The Faith~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Eva> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > Probably old news but she told me here in CA that they have > > raised the> > > > > acceptable level to 500. Told her my biggest concern was this > > test> > > > > and how little control we actually have in resuming our > > careers. It> > > > > was than that I realized that their interest was not in the > > truth but> > > > > in justifying their positions. I don't drink at all and > > explaining my> > > > > fears about this I was referred to the "this sounds like > > addictive> > > > > thinking" line. I also volunterred to be tested daily but was > > told> > > > > that was too expensive to do and that they could find no value > > in> > > > > doing that test. Even after explaining the science behind

daily> > > > > testing and how that would truly disprove etoh > > ingestion....still did> > > > > not see value. As for me, I will test myself daily at their > > own labs> > > > > and hope that I never need to use that data...hopefully I can > > write it> > > > > off as either a medical or business ecpense. So I have now > > decided> > > > > that truth is not the best policy and will be the good little > > b***h> > > > > that they want me to be:)> > > > >> > > > > Ken> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>