Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 I'm sorry but I'm not following you. What is the source/substrate of the EtG in the scenario you describe? Where does the ethyl group come from? Are you talking about endogenous alcohol production or is this something different? danramo <danramo@...> wrote: I think these false positive results have more to do with microbiology than innocent exposure to ethanol. Ten percent of women have asymptomatic microburia usually with yeast or E. coli. Microbes have been shown to have CYP 1A1 type activity. Microbes in a environment rich in etg will produce glucuronidase but in an environment rich in glucuronic acid these microbes will be induced to produce etg. The simply answer would be to test a false positive urine such as lori's for glucoronyl transferase. A positive result would spike etg testing forever and for always. I suspect this test has already been done since it is a simple idea.DR. DANDoes anyone follow this argument? Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 it is quite common have alcohol in urine without drinking (if it sits around and ferments ) but the only way you can have EtG in the urine is if endogenous alcohol is in your bloodstream and hepatic glucuronidation occurs and is then EtG is exrcreted in urine....there is evidence that not only can yeast ferment alcohol but also some bacteria and the amount of glucose neccessary can be small..i am not aware of any reports or research of urine being a glucuronic acid rich environment containing significant amounts of gluronyl transferase so that de novo EtG formation in urine for me unlikely cause of false positive EtG...i do follow the logic just am not aware of any data..regards,r Lorie Garlick <saclorie@...> wrote: I'm sorry but I'm not following you. What is the source/substrate of the EtG in the scenario you describe? Where does the ethyl group come from? Are you talking about endogenous alcohol production or is this something different? danramo <danramoaol> wrote: I think these false positive results have more to do with microbiology than innocent exposure to ethanol. Ten percent of women have asymptomatic microburia usually with yeast or E. coli. Microbes have been shown to have CYP 1A1 type activity. Microbes in a environment rich in etg will produce glucuronidase but in an environment rich in glucuronic acid these microbes will be induced to produce etg. The simply answer would be to test a false positive urine such as lori's for glucoronyl transferase. A positive result would spike etg testing forever and for always. I suspect this test has already been done since it is a simple idea.DR. DANDoes anyone follow this argument? Don't pick lemons.See all the new 2007 cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 can you post the study or factual papers on this subject to enter into our files???AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 This reaction takes place in the bladder. Glucuronic acid is a natural urine carbohydrate. We excrete about 400 mg in 24 hrs. in are urine. We also excrete in urine a variety of carbohydrates including glucose,galactose,fructose,lactose,sucrose and glycoproteins. Mucopolysaccharides and glycopeptides are also present. When we have a bladder infection or asymptomatic bacteruria these microbes use these substrates as fuel. An ethyl group could be donated from any of these materials even without significant amounts of alcohol being producted before its converted to etg. Bacteria and yeast can do anything the liver does. Re: false positive I'm sorry but I'm not following you. What is the source/substrate of the EtG in the scenario you describe? Where does the ethyl group come from? Are you talking about endogenous alcohol production or is this something different? danramo <danramo@...> wrote: I think these false positive results have more to do with microbiology than innocent exposure to ethanol. Ten percent of women have asymptomatic microburia usually with yeast or E. coli. Microbes have been shown to have CYP 1A1 type activity. Microbes in a environment rich in etg will produce glucuronidase but in an environment rich in glucuronic acid these microbes will be induced to produce etg. The simply answer would be to test a false positive urine such as lori's for glucoronyl transferase. A positive result would spike etg testing forever and for always. I suspect this test has already been done since it is a simple idea. DR. DAN Does anyone follow this argument? Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Autos. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 ---Lorie, Why in the Holy Door Knobs name would they even require you to take ETG tests when they know you have a history of false positives. PROTEKT THE PUBLIK MY ASS. Here we go with the witch hunt once again. Im sorry this injustice keeps happening to you. I hope ya'll are moving ahead with the law suit. Do ya think these people could come in from the pasture long enough to read the WSJ? Or even the warnings posted about ETG? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, too busy with the farm animals. In Ethylglucuronide , Lorie Garlick <saclorie@...> wrote: > > I'm sorry but I'm not following you. What is the source/substrate of the EtG in the scenario you describe? Where does the ethyl group come from? Are you talking about endogenous alcohol production or is this something different? > > danramo <danramo@...> wrote: I think these false positive results have more to do with microbiology > than innocent exposure to ethanol. Ten percent of women have > asymptomatic microburia usually with yeast or E. coli. Microbes have > been shown to have CYP 1A1 type activity. Microbes in a environment > rich in etg will produce glucuronidase but in an environment rich in > glucuronic acid these microbes will be induced to produce etg. The > simply answer would be to test a false positive urine such as lori's > for glucoronyl transferase. A positive result would spike etg testing > forever and for always. I suspect this test has already been done since > it is a simple idea. > DR. DAN > Does anyone follow this argument? > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Don't pick lemons. > See all the new 2007 cars at Autos. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 I would encourage clinical correlation, especially when the level is below 1000, the patient denies drinking, and there is no other evidence of problems. I would not advise taking action against a licensee if the only evidence of a problem is a low positive EtG gregskippermd 2005 pdf ethylglucuronide.com...regards,rmadisonxyz2000 <madisonxyz2000@...> wrote: ---Lorie,Why in the Holy Door Knobs name would they even require you to take ETG tests when they know you have a history of false positives. PROTEKT THE PUBLIK MY ASS. Here we go with the witch hunt once again.Im sorry this injustice keeps happening to you. I hope ya'll are moving ahead with the law suit. Do ya think these people could come in from the pasture long enough to read the WSJ? Or even the warnings posted about ETG? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, too busy with the farm animals.In Ethylglucuronide , Lorie Garlick <saclorie@...> wrote:>> I'm sorry but I'm not following you. What is the source/substrate of the EtG in the scenario you describe? Where does the ethyl group come from? Are you talking about endogenous alcohol production or is this something different? > > danramo <danramo@...> wrote: I think these false positive results have more to do with microbiology > than innocent exposure to ethanol. Ten percent of women have > asymptomatic microburia usually with yeast or E. coli. Microbes have > been shown to have CYP 1A1 type activity. Microbes in a environment > rich in etg will produce glucuronidase but in an environment rich in > glucuronic acid these microbes will be induced to produce etg. The > simply answer would be to test a false positive urine such as lori's > for glucoronyl transferase. A positive result would spike etg testing > forever and for always. I suspect this test has already been done since > it is a simple idea.> DR. DAN> Does anyone follow this argument?> > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Don't pick lemons.> See all the new 2007 cars at Autos.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 --- DR DAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where ya been? About time you showed your face. I was worried the piss nazis, sobriety enforcers took you to the abstinence gulag. Did they make you participate in their pasture rituals? OH HOLY DOOR KNOB, SAY IT AINT SO. I'll loan you my HP Smarty to help you deal with them if you like. Smarty knows how to handle them cuz he's had to deal with them often in the pasture. In Ethylglucuronide , danramo@... wrote: > > This reaction takes place in the bladder. Glucuronic acid is a natural urine carbohydrate. We excrete about 400 mg in 24 hrs. in are urine. We also excrete in urine a variety of carbohydrates including glucose,galactose,fructose,lactose,sucrose and glycoproteins. Mucopolysaccharides and glycopeptides are also present. When we have a bladder infection or asymptomatic bacteruria these microbes use these substrates as fuel. An ethyl group could be donated from any of these materials even without significant amounts of alcohol being producted before its converted to etg. Bacteria and yeast can do anything the liver does. > > Re: false positive > > > I'm sorry but I'm not following you. What is the source/substrate of the EtG in the scenario you describe? Where does the ethyl group come from? Are you talking about endogenous alcohol production or is this something different? > > danramo <danramo@...> wrote: > I think these false positive results have more to do with microbiology > than innocent exposure to ethanol. Ten percent of women have > asymptomatic microburia usually with yeast or E. coli. Microbes have > been shown to have CYP 1A1 type activity. Microbes in a environment > rich in etg will produce glucuronidase but in an environment rich in > glucuronic acid these microbes will be induced to produce etg. The > simply answer would be to test a false positive urine such as lori's > for glucoronyl transferase. A positive result would spike etg testing > forever and for always. I suspect this test has already been done since > it is a simple idea. > DR. DAN > Does anyone follow this argument? > > > > > > > > Don't pick lemons. > See all the new 2007 cars at Autos. > ______________________________________________________________________ __ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 --- Hi Robin. Have you missed me? This sounds all well and good doesn't it? But have you forgotten who you're dealing with? I mean think about it......Who else would be a sobriety enforcer except someone who was once forced into sobriety? Isn't there some type of a psych issue where the abused becomes the abuser? This is who is in charge. The inmates are running the assylum. Misery loves company, eh? In Ethylglucuronide , robin murray <remurraymd@...> wrote: > > I would encourage clinical correlation, especially when the level is below 1000, the patient denies drinking, and there is no other evidence of problems. I would not advise taking action against a licensee if the only evidence of a problem is a low positive EtG > gregskippermd 2005 pdf ethylglucuronide.com...regards,r > > madisonxyz2000 <madisonxyz2000@...> wrote: > ---Lorie, > Why in the Holy Door Knobs name would they even require you to take > ETG tests when they know you have a history of false positives. > PROTEKT THE PUBLIK MY ASS. Here we go with the witch hunt once again. > Im sorry this injustice keeps happening to you. I hope ya'll are > moving ahead with the law suit. Do ya think these people could come > in from the pasture long enough to read the WSJ? Or even the > warnings posted about ETG? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, too busy > with the farm animals. > > In Ethylglucuronide , Lorie Garlick <saclorie@> > wrote: > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not following you. What is the source/substrate > of the EtG in the scenario you describe? Where does the ethyl group > come from? Are you talking about endogenous alcohol production or is > this something different? > > > > danramo <danramo@> wrote: I think these false positive > results have more to do with microbiology > > than innocent exposure to ethanol. Ten percent of women have > > asymptomatic microburia usually with yeast or E. coli. Microbes > have > > been shown to have CYP 1A1 type activity. Microbes in a environment > > rich in etg will produce glucuronidase but in an environment rich > in > > glucuronic acid these microbes will be induced to produce etg. The > > simply answer would be to test a false positive urine such as > lori's > > for glucoronyl transferase. A positive result would spike etg > testing > > forever and for always. I suspect this test has already been done > since > > it is a simple idea. > > DR. DAN > > Does anyone follow this argument? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Don't pick lemons. > > See all the new 2007 cars at Autos. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 hi madison i did miss you...i share your sentiments regarding the ironic nature of the situation...sort of like an EtG stockholm syndrome...power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely particlarly when the almighty dollar is in play..regards,r madisonxyz2000 <madisonxyz2000@...> wrote: --- Hi Robin. Have you missed me?This sounds all well and good doesn't it? But have you forgotten who you're dealing with? I mean think about it......Who else would be a sobriety enforcer except someone who was once forced into sobriety? Isn't there some type of a psych issue where the abused becomes the abuser? This is who is in charge. The inmates are running the assylum. Misery loves company, eh?In Ethylglucuronide , robin murray <remurraymd@...> wrote:>> I would encourage clinical correlation, especially when the level is below 1000, the patient denies drinking, and there is no other evidence of problems. I would not advise taking action against a licensee if the only evidence of a problem is a low positive EtG > gregskippermd 2005 pdf ethylglucuronide.com...regards,r> > madisonxyz2000 <madisonxyz2000@...> wrote:> ---Lorie,> Why in the Holy Door Knobs name would they even require you to take > ETG tests when they know you have a history of false positives. > PROTEKT THE PUBLIK MY ASS. Here we go with the witch hunt once again.> Im sorry this injustice keeps happening to you. I hope ya'll are > moving ahead with the law suit. Do ya think these people could come > in from the pasture long enough to read the WSJ? Or even the > warnings posted about ETG? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, too busy > with the farm animals.> > In Ethylglucuronide , Lorie Garlick <saclorie@> > wrote:> >> > I'm sorry but I'm not following you. What is the source/substrate > of the EtG in the scenario you describe? Where does the ethyl group > come from? Are you talking about endogenous alcohol production or is > this something different? > > > > danramo <danramo@> wrote: I think these false positive > results have more to do with microbiology > > than innocent exposure to ethanol. Ten percent of women have > > asymptomatic microburia usually with yeast or E. coli. Microbes > have > > been shown to have CYP 1A1 type activity. Microbes in a environment > > rich in etg will produce glucuronidase but in an environment rich > in > > glucuronic acid these microbes will be induced to produce etg. The > > simply answer would be to test a false positive urine such as > lori's > > for glucoronyl transferase. A positive result would spike etg > testing > > forever and for always. I suspect this test has already been done > since > > it is a simple idea.> > DR. DAN> > Does anyone follow this argument?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Don't pick lemons.> > See all the new 2007 cars at Autos.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 Omigosh, Madison! Did you have to bring up the farm animals again? Now it's going to take me an hour to clean the diet coke off of my monitor and keyboard. [but it was well worth it] > > ---Lorie, > Why in the Holy Door Knobs name would they even require you to take > ETG tests when they know you have a history of false positives. > PROTEKT THE PUBLIK MY ASS. Here we go with the witch hunt once again. > Im sorry this injustice keeps happening to you. I hope ya'll are > moving ahead with the law suit. Do ya think these people could come > in from the pasture long enough to read the WSJ? Or even the > warnings posted about ETG? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, too busy > with the farm animals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 --- I know, it's awful isn't it? The people who force you into a moral cleansing for simply taking a little dope are off doing these kind of things. Tsk, tsk, tsk. They could argue, however, that the animals like it. Maybe they do, I don't know. I'll have to ask Smarty . In Ethylglucuronide , " Judy " <floridajudy@...> wrote: > > Omigosh, Madison! Did you have to bring up the farm animals again? > Now it's going to take me an hour to clean the diet coke off of my > monitor and keyboard. > > [but it was well worth it] > > > > > > > ---Lorie, > > Why in the Holy Door Knobs name would they even require you to take > > ETG tests when they know you have a history of false positives. > > PROTEKT THE PUBLIK MY ASS. Here we go with the witch hunt once again. > > Im sorry this injustice keeps happening to you. I hope ya'll are > > moving ahead with the law suit. Do ya think these people could come > > in from the pasture long enough to read the WSJ? Or even the > > warnings posted about ETG? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, too busy > > with the farm animals. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 Hi Madison, My board has never admitted that any of my positives were "false positives". I was let back into diversion with the attitude that "relapse is part of the disease". In other words, they think I've got a serious case of D-E-N-I-A-L. The funniest thing is this: When my case manager called me to confront me about the positive test, her words were, "You tested positive for EtG last Saturday...Did you eat something you shouldn't have?" Now tell me, if this test is THE BOMB at sniffing out a relapse, why in the hell did she ask me what I ATE??? She never even asked me if I drank! Lorie madisonxyz2000 <madisonxyz2000@...> wrote: ---Lorie,Why in the Holy Door Knobs name would they even require you to take ETG tests when they know you have a history of false positives. PROTEKT THE PUBLIK MY ASS. Here we go with the witch hunt once again.Im sorry this injustice keeps happening to you. I hope ya'll are moving ahead with the law suit. Do ya think these people could come in from the pasture long enough to read the WSJ? Or even the warnings posted about ETG? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, too busy with the farm animals.In Ethylglucuronide , Lorie Garlick <saclorie@...> wrote:>> I'm sorry but I'm not following you. What is the source/substrate of the EtG in the scenario you describe? Where does the ethyl group come from? Are you talking about endogenous alcohol production or is this something different? > > danramo <danramo@...> wrote: I think these false positive results have more to do with microbiology > than innocent exposure to ethanol. Ten percent of women have > asymptomatic microburia usually with yeast or E. coli. Microbes have > been shown to have CYP 1A1 type activity. Microbes in a environment > rich in etg will produce glucuronidase but in an environment rich in > glucuronic acid these microbes will be induced to produce etg. The > simply answer would be to test a false positive urine such as lori's > for glucoronyl transferase. A positive result would spike etg testing > forever and for always. I suspect this test has already been done since > it is a simple idea.> DR. DAN> Does anyone follow this argument?> > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Don't pick lemons.> See all the new 2007 cars at Autos.> It's here! Your new message!Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 ---VERY GOOD POINT!!!!!!!!!! Unless they live in a cave they have to know about this test. Are they going to burn you at the stake or do you know yet? Maybe this person of yours hasn't drank the kool-aid or visited the pasutre. Maybe she has a little common sense. Of course you wouldn't drink and screw up your contract. I mean hells bells. YOU'RE A PHARMACIST. Why in Gods name would you mess this up over OWL-KEE-HAUL when you have all the other good shit available? I believe if you were gonna break the rules of the sobriety enforcers you would go out with a bang. I mean really, what self-respecting drug addict would drink rot gut? Good Luck to you and NEVER let them coerce you into a false confession. I believe this is what happens when Skippy said (and I'm paraphrasing here) " after gentle, persistent questioning most of them admit to drinking " . YEAH WHATEVAH. If you call bamboo shoots under the fingernails gentle, if you call the rack gentle, if you call being dragged out to pasture to participate in the ritual gentle, I guess maybe it is so. In Ethylglucuronide , Lorie Garlick <saclorie@...> wrote: > > Hi Madison, > My board has never admitted that any of my positives were " false positives " . I was let back into diversion with the attitude that " relapse is part of the disease " . In other words, they think I've got a serious case of D-E-N-I-A-L. The funniest thing is this: When my case manager called me to confront me about the positive test, her words were, " You tested positive for EtG last Saturday...Did you eat something you shouldn't have? " Now tell me, if this test is THE BOMB at sniffing out a relapse, why in the hell did she ask me what I ATE??? She never even asked me if I drank! > Lorie > > madisonxyz2000 <madisonxyz2000@...> wrote: > ---Lorie, > Why in the Holy Door Knobs name would they even require you to take > ETG tests when they know you have a history of false positives. > PROTEKT THE PUBLIK MY ASS. Here we go with the witch hunt once again. > Im sorry this injustice keeps happening to you. I hope ya'll are > moving ahead with the law suit. Do ya think these people could come > in from the pasture long enough to read the WSJ? Or even the > warnings posted about ETG? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, too busy > with the farm animals. > > In Ethylglucuronide , Lorie Garlick <saclorie@> > wrote: > > > > I'm sorry but I'm not following you. What is the source/substrate > of the EtG in the scenario you describe? Where does the ethyl group > come from? Are you talking about endogenous alcohol production or is > this something different? > > > > danramo <danramo@> wrote: I think these false positive > results have more to do with microbiology > > than innocent exposure to ethanol. Ten percent of women have > > asymptomatic microburia usually with yeast or E. coli. Microbes > have > > been shown to have CYP 1A1 type activity. Microbes in a environment > > rich in etg will produce glucuronidase but in an environment rich > in > > glucuronic acid these microbes will be induced to produce etg. The > > simply answer would be to test a false positive urine such as > lori's > > for glucoronyl transferase. A positive result would spike etg > testing > > forever and for always. I suspect this test has already been done > since > > it is a simple idea. > > DR. DAN > > Does anyone follow this argument? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Don't pick lemons. > > See all the new 2007 cars at Autos. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2007 Report Share Posted March 18, 2007 "You tested positive for EtG last Saturday...Did you eat something you shouldn't have?" Again, I LOVE the way it seems they always put it back on us....like we are supposed to KNOW everything that contains alcohol...like we can AVOID everything that contains alcohol, such as inhalants...and that just because we were positive we did something we KNEW we should not have done!! Were is taking endogenous alcohol production come in....guess we should be able to control the amount of alochol our bodies produce also!!! Talk about BIZARRE!!!Lorie Garlick <saclorie@...> wrote: Hi Madison, My board has never admitted that any of my positives were "false positives". I was let back into diversion with the attitude that "relapse is part of the disease". In other words, they think I've got a serious case of D-E-N-I-A-L. The funniest thing is this: When my case manager called me to confront me about the positive test, her words were, "You tested positive for EtG last Saturday...Did you eat something you shouldn't have?" Now tell me, if this test is THE BOMB at sniffing out a relapse, why in the hell did she ask me what I ATE??? She never even asked me if I drank! Lorie madisonxyz2000 <madisonxyz2000 > wrote: ---Lorie,Why in the Holy Door Knobs name would they even require you to take ETG tests when they know you have a history of false positives. PROTEKT THE PUBLIK MY ASS. Here we go with the witch hunt once again.Im sorry this injustice keeps happening to you. I hope ya'll are moving ahead with the law suit. Do ya think these people could come in from the pasture long enough to read the WSJ? Or even the warnings posted about ETG? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, too busy with the farm animals.In Ethylglucuronide , Lorie Garlick <saclorie@...> wrote:>> I'm sorry but I'm not following you. What is the source/substrate of the EtG in the scenario you describe? Where does the ethyl group come from? Are you talking about endogenous alcohol production or is this something different? > > danramo <danramo@...> wrote: I think these false positive results have more to do with microbiology > than innocent exposure to ethanol. Ten percent of women have > asymptomatic microburia usually with yeast or E. coli. Microbes have > been shown to have CYP 1A1 type activity. Microbes in a environment > rich in etg will produce glucuronidase but in an environment rich in > glucuronic acid these microbes will be induced to produce etg. The > simply answer would be to test a false positive urine such as lori's > for glucoronyl transferase. A positive result would spike etg testing > forever and for always. I suspect this test has already been done since > it is a simple idea.> DR. DAN> Does anyone follow this argument?> > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Don't pick lemons.> See all the new 2007 cars at Autos.> It's here! Your new message!Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. TV dinner still cooling?Check out "Tonight's Picks" on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 I was on my period with the first one and thought I had it narrowed down to proactive solution. I stopped using it and had 2 negatives. They said my number was 1150 on this positive. Now my Dec wants me to analyze what I did different. This is enought o make me crazier than I already am. Thanks for the input. > > Hi Lynn, > Try keeping a food log and write everything down. But don't be too set on finding a food culprit! After many false positives AND a food log AND Antabuse. My doctor put me on prophylactic Diflucan and so far, no further positives. Any recollection of yeast infection with either of your positives? Remember, they are not always symptomatic, so just because you don't remember one doesn't mean you didn't have any yeast. > Hang in there! > Lorie > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: " Lynn " <lynn_hammonds@...> > I have had 2 false positives in 2 months. It is driving me crazy. I > watch everything I eat and use in my home or on my person. Any > suggestions as to what could be happening. This time I had mexican > food could it be the culprit? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 not toxic for most although for me Nystatin mycostatin probiotics better first choice liver metabolized though for some autobrewers taken properly benefits outweigh risks...lizzianthus007@... wrote: In a message dated 5/20/2008 6:58:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, remurraymd writes: prophylactic Diflucan Isnt that also toxic??? Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Ethylglucuronide From: robin murray <remurraymd@...>Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 03:58:20 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: Re: false positive Hi Lynn, This stuff can be really tough to figure out but the fairly high postives like yours usually come from autobrewing not diet. Per lorie might consider probiotics and an oral anti-fungal to decrease fermenting population of GI yeasties that might be causing your problem. Also if you are on any liver metabolized medication tylenol SSRIs that will worsen the situation. Check with your MD taper D/C or test outside of the half life of your drug if you can. Hang in there, All the best,r Lynn <lynn_hammonds > wrote: I was on my period with the first one and thought I had it narrowed down to proactive solution. I stopped using it and had 2 negatives. They said my number was 1150 on this positive. Now my Dec wants me to analyze what I did different. This is enought o make me crazier than I already am. Thanks for the input.>> Hi Lynn,> Try keeping a food log and write everything down. But don't be too set on finding a food culprit! After many false positives AND a food log AND Antabuse. My doctor put me on prophylactic Diflucan and so far, no further positives. Any recollection of yeast infection with either of your positives? Remember, they are not always symptomatic, so just because you don't remember one doesn't mean you didn't have any yeast.> Hang in there!> Lorie> > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Lynn" <lynn_hammonds@...> > I have had 2 false positives in 2 months. It is driving me crazy. I > watch everything I eat and use in my home or on my person. Any > suggestions as to what could be happening. This time I had mexican > food could it be the culprit?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 Robin or Lori can you please list again the types of alcohols that are ok and the ones to avoid?? I'm talking about ingredients in products such as cetyl alcohol. I too have had 2 false positives in 2 months although the levels were very low I'm told, I'm pretty sure it was not something I ate since testing positive earlier in the year I have become a vegetarian and only eat organic food that I cook myself. I'm worried I might be confused on which products to avoid. Thanks lerobin murray <remurraymd@...> wrote: not toxic for most although for me Nystatin mycostatin probiotics better first choice liver metabolized though for some autobrewers taken properly benefits outweigh risks...lizzianthus007aol wrote: In a message dated 5/20/2008 6:58:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, remurraymd writes: prophylactic Diflucan Isnt that also toxic??? Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Ethylglucuronide From: robin murray <remurraymd >Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 03:58:20 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: Re: false positive Hi Lynn, This stuff can be really tough to figure out but the fairly high postives like yours usually come from autobrewing not diet. Per lorie might consider probiotics and an oral anti-fungal to decrease fermenting population of GI yeasties that might be causing your problem. Also if you are on any liver metabolized medication tylenol SSRIs that will worsen the situation. Check with your MD taper D/C or test outside of the half life of your drug if you can. Hang in there, All the best,r Lynn <lynn_hammonds > wrote: I was on my period with the first one and thought I had it narrowed down to proactive solution. I stopped using it and had 2 negatives. They said my number was 1150 on this positive. Now my Dec wants me to analyze what I did different. This is enought o make me crazier than I already am. Thanks for the input.>> Hi Lynn,> Try keeping a food log and write everything down. But don't be too set on finding a food culprit! After many false positives AND a food log AND Antabuse. My doctor put me on prophylactic Diflucan and so far, no further positives. Any recollection of yeast infection with either of your positives? Remember, they are not always symptomatic, so just because you don't remember one doesn't mean you didn't have any yeast.> Hang in there!> Lorie> > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Lynn" <lynn_hammonds@...> > I have had 2 false positives in 2 months. It is driving me crazy. I > watch everything I eat and use in my home or on my person. Any > suggestions as to what could be happening. This time I had mexican > food could it be the culprit?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 As I read these messages regarding trying to figure out what causes positive etg I still believe I it was nothing I ate or drank, or inhaled. I lost 30 lbs trying to figure out what the cause was, I still tested positive. I had to drop out of diversion in ca. I am wondering if the diflucan would work. What is funny is I used to pay for a etg test on the days i tested with compass and the test I did would be neg and compass would be positive. What also amazes me is how each dec or probation officer handles the positives, some are dismissed some have to go to rehab. --- Lynn <lynn_hammonds@...> wrote: > I was on my period with the first one and thought I > had it narrowed > down to proactive solution. I stopped using it and > had 2 negatives. > They said my number was 1150 on this positive. Now > my Dec wants me > to analyze what I did different. This is enought o > make me crazier > than I already am. Thanks for the input. > > > > > Hi Lynn, > > Try keeping a food log and write everything down. > But don't be too > set on finding a food culprit! After many false > positives AND a food > log AND Antabuse. My doctor put me on prophylactic > Diflucan and so > far, no further positives. Any recollection of yeast > infection with > either of your positives? Remember, they are not > always symptomatic, > so just because you don't remember one doesn't mean > you didn't have > any yeast. > > Hang in there! > > Lorie > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: " Lynn " <lynn_hammonds@...> > > I have had 2 false positives in 2 months. It is > driving me crazy. I > > watch everything I eat and use in my home or on my > person. Any > > suggestions as to what could be happening. This > time I had mexican > > food could it be the culprit? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 le , does probation treat positives different then diversion? I had a friend who just finished probation in Ca , she had 4 positives and her probation lady believed her and never punished her. --- le Glenn <rndani@...> wrote: > Robin or Lori can you please list again the types of > alcohols that are ok and the ones to avoid?? I'm > talking about ingredients in products such as cetyl > alcohol. I too have had 2 false positives in 2 > months although the levels were very low I'm told, > I'm pretty sure it was not something I ate since > testing positive earlier in the year I have become a > vegetarian and only eat organic food that I cook > myself. I'm worried I might be confused on which > products to avoid. > Thanks > le > > robin murray <remurraymd@...> wrote: > not toxic for most although for me > Nystatin mycostatin probiotics better first choice > liver metabolized though for some autobrewers taken > properly benefits outweigh risks... > > lizzianthus007@... wrote: > In a message dated 5/20/2008 6:58:43 A.M. > Eastern Daylight Time, remurraymd@... writes: > prophylactic Diflucan Isnt that also toxic??? > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new > twists on family favorites at AOL Food. > > > Ethylglucuronide > From: robin murray <remurraymd@...> > Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 03:58:20 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: Re: false positive > > Hi Lynn, > > This stuff can be really tough to figure out but > the fairly high postives > like yours usually come from autobrewing not diet. > > Per lorie might consider probiotics and an oral > anti-fungal to decrease fermenting > population of GI yeasties that might be causing > your problem. > > Also if you are on any liver metabolized > medication tylenol SSRIs that will worsen the > situation. > > Check with your MD taper D/C or test outside of > the half life of your drug if you can. > > Hang in there, > > All the best,r > > > > Lynn <lynn_hammonds@...> wrote: > I was on my period with the first one and > thought I had it narrowed > down to proactive solution. I stopped using it and > had 2 negatives. > They said my number was 1150 on this positive. Now > my Dec wants me > to analyze what I did different. This is enought o > make me crazier > than I already am. Thanks for the input. > > > > > Hi Lynn, > > Try keeping a food log and write everything down. > But don't be too > set on finding a food culprit! After many false > positives AND a food > log AND Antabuse. My doctor put me on prophylactic > Diflucan and so > far, no further positives. Any recollection of yeast > infection with > either of your positives? Remember, they are not > always symptomatic, > so just because you don't remember one doesn't mean > you didn't have > any yeast. > > Hang in there! > > Lorie > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: " Lynn " <lynn_hammonds@...> > > I have had 2 false positives in 2 months. It is > driving me crazy. I > > watch everything I eat and use in my home or on my > person. Any > > suggestions as to what could be happening. This > time I had mexican > > food could it be the culprit? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2008 Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 I have been in probation for 2 years and have now had 3 positives all of which have been below the cutoff which is 500. My last 2 positives were very low according to my probation monitor. I feel probation is a little bit more likely to look at other factors before throwing the book at you but I do think if my levels were higher it would be a different story. Dani Hartman <jhartman32001@...> wrote: le , does probation treat positives differentthen diversion? I had a friend who just finishedprobation in Ca , she had 4 positives and herprobation lady believed her and never punished her.--- le Glenn <rndanisbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:> Robin or Lori can you please list again the types of> alcohols that are ok and the ones to avoid?? I'm> talking about ingredients in products such as cetyl> alcohol. I too have had 2 false positives in 2> months although the levels were very low I'm told,> I'm pretty sure it was not something I ate since> testing positive earlier in the year I have become a> vegetarian and only eat organic food that I cook> myself. I'm worried I might be confused on which> products to avoid.> Thanks> le> > robin murray <remurraymd > wrote: > not toxic for most although for me> Nystatin mycostatin probiotics better first choice> liver metabolized though for some autobrewers taken> properly benefits outweigh risks...> > lizzianthus007aol wrote:> In a message dated 5/20/2008 6:58:43 A.M.> Eastern Daylight Time, remurraymd writes:> prophylactic Diflucan Isnt that also toxic??? > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new> twists on family favorites at AOL Food.> > > Ethylglucuronide > From: robin murray <remurraymd >> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 03:58:20 -0700 (PDT)> Subject: Re: Re: false positive> > Hi Lynn,> > This stuff can be really tough to figure out but> the fairly high postives> like yours usually come from autobrewing not diet.> > Per lorie might consider probiotics and an oral> anti-fungal to decrease fermenting> population of GI yeasties that might be causing> your problem.> > Also if you are on any liver metabolized> medication tylenol SSRIs that will worsen the> situation.> > Check with your MD taper D/C or test outside of> the half life of your drug if you can.> > Hang in there,> > All the best,r > > > > Lynn <lynn_hammonds > wrote:> I was on my period with the first one and> thought I had it narrowed > down to proactive solution. I stopped using it and> had 2 negatives. > They said my number was 1150 on this positive. Now> my Dec wants me > to analyze what I did different. This is enought o> make me crazier > than I already am. Thanks for the input.> > >> > Hi Lynn,> > Try keeping a food log and write everything down.> But don't be too > set on finding a food culprit! After many false> positives AND a food > log AND Antabuse. My doctor put me on prophylactic> Diflucan and so > far, no further positives. Any recollection of yeast> infection with > either of your positives? Remember, they are not> always symptomatic, > so just because you don't remember one doesn't mean> you didn't have > any yeast.> > Hang in there!> > Lorie> > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "Lynn" <lynn_hammonds@...> > > I have had 2 false positives in 2 months. It is> driving me crazy. I > > watch everything I eat and use in my home or on my> person. Any > > suggestions as to what could be happening. This> time I had mexican > > food could it be the culprit?> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 yeast and e.coli I tell you you females all have it it is like telling the people the earth is round when every one thinks it is flat. I just hope i just live long enough this is all e.coli Dr. dan Re: false positive I was on my period with the first one and thought I had it narrowed down to proactive solution. I stopped using it and had 2 negatives. They said my number was 1150 on this positive. Now my Dec wants me to analyze what I did different. This is enought o make me crazier than I already am. Thanks for the input. > > Hi Lynn, > Try keeping a food log and write everything down. But don't be too set on finding a food culprit! After many false positives AND a food log AND Antabuse. My doctor put me on prophylactic Diflucan and so far, no further positives. Any recollection of yeast infection with either of your positives? Remember, they are not always symptomatic, so just because you don't remember one doesn't mean you didn't have any yeast. > Hang in there! > Lorie > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Lynn" <lynn_hammonds@...> > I have had 2 false positives in 2 months. It is driving me crazy. I > watch everything I eat and use in my home or on my person. Any > suggestions as to what could be happening. This time I had mexican > food could it be the culprit? > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 dilucan will absolutely work dr. dan Re: Re: false positive As I read these messages regarding trying to figure out what causes positive etg I still believe I it was nothing I ate or drank, or inhaled. I lost 30 lbs trying to figure out what the cause was, I still tested positive. I had to drop out of diversion in ca. I am wondering if the diflucan would work. What is funny is I used to pay for a etg test on the days i tested with compass and the test I did would be neg and compass would be positive. What also amazes me is how each dec or probation officer handles the positives, some are dismissed some have to go to rehab. --- Lynn <lynn_hammonds@...> wrote: > I was on my period with the first one and thought I > had it narrowed > down to proactive solution. I stopped using it and > had 2 negatives. > They said my number was 1150 on this positive. Now > my Dec wants me > to analyze what I did different. This is enought o > make me crazier > than I already am. Thanks for the input. > > > > > Hi Lynn, > > Try keeping a food log and write everything down. > But don't be too > set on finding a food culprit! After many false > positives AND a food > log AND Antabuse. My doctor put me on prophylactic > Diflucan and so > far, no further positives. Any recollection of yeast > infection with > either of your positives? Remember, they are not > always symptomatic, > so just because you don't remember one doesn't mean > you didn't have > any yeast. > > Hang in there! > > Lorie > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "Lynn" <lynn_hammonds@...> > > I have had 2 false positives in 2 months. It is > driving me crazy. I > > watch everything I eat and use in my home or on my > person. Any > > suggestions as to what could be happening. This > time I had mexican > > food could it be the culprit? > > > > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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