Guest guest Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 ----- Original Message ----- From: " Dr. Ron " <drron@...> > I hope no one out there takes offense, but... > > The healthiest vegetarians are liars. That would make a great bumper sticker. ....If I wanted to get my tires slashed, that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 Ever wonder why it is that so many people who have a " cause, " seem to be the most violent in promoting it? PETA, Right to Life, Vegans/vegetarians, etc. I notice this on the forums that I am on. The people who promote these and other controversial causes, post the most vituperative and vulgar messages to " prove " their point. Maybe it's the nutrients in the things they don't eat. And I see it in my neighborhood, also. There are many exceptions, of course, so it may be a case of the tail wagging the dog. Judith Alta -----Original Message----- ----- Original Message ----- From: " Dr. Ron " <drron@...> > I hope no one out there takes offense, but... > > The healthiest vegetarians are liars. That would make a great bumper sticker. .....If I wanted to get my tires slashed, that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 In a message dated 2/18/03 8:16:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, aubinparrish@... writes: > Pollo = chicken > Pesco = fish Right... oops! Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 Suze- >(a lacto-ovo-pesco-pollo-carno-INSECTO-vegetarian) You eat insects? I've been wondering about that for awhile, but I think I'm pretty far from taking that leap. What sorts do you eat, and what's it like? (And where on earth do you get them? Since the Bantu and other insectivores were extremely particular about when and where they got their insects, I can't imagine how one would go about securing a supply of nourishing insects nowadays, at least without raising them oneself.) - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 Ron- >The healthiest vegetarians are liars. LOL! Absolutely true! But try telling that to true believers. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 Judith- >Maybe it's the nutrients in the things they don't eat. I think there's more than a grain of truth to that. The more I read about the effects of malnutrition the more I look at the world around us and see that a tremendous number of our problems have malnutrition as their root cause. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 And, given the low-fat, nutrition-free, phony phood dogma it's not at all surprising. It is not possible for people who are denied the multitude of nutrients available in meat, and the naturally saturated fat that goes with it, to be other than malnourished. Judith Alta -----Original Message----- Judith- >Maybe it's the nutrients in the things they don't eat. I think there's more than a grain of truth to that. The more I read about the effects of malnutrition the more I look at the world around us and see that a tremendous number of our problems have malnutrition as their root cause. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 Suze- >(a lacto-ovo-pesco-pollo-carno-INSECTO-vegetarian) You eat insects? I've been wondering about that for awhile, but I think I'm pretty far from taking that leap. What sorts do you eat, and what's it like? (And where on earth do you get them? Since the Bantu and other insectivores were extremely particular about when and where they got their insects, I can't imagine how one would go about securing a supply of nourishing insects nowadays, at least without raising them oneself.) ------->LOL! are you kidding? just eat some local organic produce - lots of hidden 'protein' (and fat). <g> I don't eat them on_purpose, but i eat them! i generally don't mind the occasional winged thing that i find in salad greens, but what i really REALLY don't like is a big, beautiful head of deep green organic broccoli crawling with broccoli worms! ack...i hate those things. when i was a teenager my dad grew broccoli (among other things in our family's garden) and i used to pick em off and stack them on my plate. that stack got pretty d*mn big! would put the bantu's measly collection to shame. <gg> and it was an ongoing joke with my family that i picked the 'protein' out of our garden veggies, while everyone else just munched away. they still tease me to this day. (but these days, i don't scrutinize my veggies like i did when i was 15, but i DO scrutinize broccoli!) hey, since this thread started out about metabolic typing diets (which is still the subject line) does Wolcott have a 'type' for lacto-ovo-pesco-pollo-carno-INSECTO-vegetarians?? Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 In a message dated 2/19/03 8:36:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, heidis@... writes: > Someone said recently that the *real* division in the world > today is between the people who are willing to tolerate > diverse viewpoints and those who can only accept > their own viewpoint. That's ridiculous and I have no respect for anyone with that view. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 >Ever wonder why it is that so many people who have a " cause, " seem to be the >most violent in promoting it? Maybe it is because the people most prone to violence and narrow thinking are the ones who adopt a " cause " . Unlike me, who is violently in favor of broad-minded thinking (and you better agree, or else!) ;-) Someone said recently that the *real* division in the world today is between the people who are willing to tolerate diverse viewpoints and those who can only accept their own viewpoint. Heidi Schuppenhauer Cabrita Software heidis@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 ick. i know. i also don't like those spider-y type black bugs that get all over broccoli. if you find one, that usually means there are lots! Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:Suze- >(a lacto-ovo-pesco-pollo-carno-INSECTO-vegetarian) You eat insects? I've been wondering about that for awhile, but I think I'm pretty far from taking that leap. What sorts do you eat, and what's it like? (And where on earth do you get them? Since the Bantu and other insectivores were extremely particular about when and where they got their insects, I can't imagine how one would go about securing a supply of nourishing insects nowadays, at least without raising them oneself.) ------->LOL! are you kidding? just eat some local organic produce - lots of hidden 'protein' (and fat). <g> I don't eat them on_purpose, but i eat them! i generally don't mind the occasional winged thing that i find in salad greens, but what i really REALLY don't like is a big, beautiful head of deep green organic broccoli crawling with broccoli worms! ack...i hate those things. when i was a teenager my dad grew broccoli (among other things in our family's garden) and i used to pick em off and stack them on my plate. that stack got pretty d*mn big! would put the bantu's measly collection to shame. <gg> and it was an ongoing joke with my family that i picked the 'protein' out of our garden veggies, while everyone else just munched away. they still tease me to this day. (but these days, i don't scrutinize my veggies like i did when i was 15, but i DO scrutinize broccoli!) hey, since this thread started out about metabolic typing diets (which is still the subject line) does Wolcott have a 'type' for lacto-ovo-pesco-pollo-carno-INSECTO-vegetarians?? Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 and Judith: > > >Maybe it's the nutrients in the things they don't eat. > > I think there's more than a grain of truth to that. The more I read about > the effects of malnutrition the more I look at the world around us and see > that a tremendous number of our problems have malnutrition as their root cause. > I agree. Price even discusses mental problems/delinquency in the beginning of NAPD which he believed was caused by malnutrition. McCarrison's experiments with the mice also indicated mental disturbances to the point of the animals killing each other because of malnutrition. Hmm. Maybe we should make sure our Presidents are eating well. The past few seem to be so war mongering. Also, the sicker you get, the less you want to do that would make you more tired, so the fast foods and prepackaged stuff become tempting as well as the pill popping. It can be a downward spiral. G.T. Wrench in the Wheel of Health wrote alittle about being able to tell a well-nourished person by looking at the way he holds and conducts himself. This is what he wrote: " Let me give an illustration. A few years ago I attended a big medical meeting, such as are held annually in the Empire. I had come from a country of balanced poise and movements, and after I had listened a little to the learned experts and professors upon the subject of health I became more and more inattentive to their speech and more and more interested in their lack of physical balance. I found myself taking notes, not of the lectures, but of the lecturers. They showed a lack of spontaneously assumed poise when speaking. They would stand crooked, place a foot on a step, withdraw it again, twist their fingers, scratch their heads or eyebrows, twitch, or kink their mouths sideways. It was also noticeable that these evidences of ill-balance were more marked in the laboratory workers than whose who came from the country. One, whose occupation, and no doubt liking, took him much into the open air of the country, throughout his address placed his straight body firmly on well-planted legs with complete nervous control. Incidentally, his speech seemed to me the most wholesome and spacious in regard to the subject of health. Later I found that he had had an exceptional start and childhood. " Well, I thought that was interesting anyway. I guess one could take all this a little too far, though. Marla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 >I agree. Price even discusses mental problems/delinquency in the beginning >of NAPD which he believed was caused by malnutrition. There was research recently in the British jails with youths -- the youths fed fat and vitamin supplements in a double-blind study had much less violence: -------- Boosting nutrition cuts prisoner offences by more than a quarter - the Aylesbury study Adding vitamins, minerals and other nutritional elements to the diets of young offenders held in custody can cut the offences they commit by more than 25%, say researchers in Britain. The findings, published in the British Journal of Psychiatry in June 2002, have major implications for the prison population and potentially for antisocial behaviour across the general community where poor diets are consumed. Some 230 young offenders at a young offenders institution in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, volunteered to take part in the study. They were assessed over an eighteen-month period, with half receiving pills containing vitamins, minerals and essential fatty acids and the other half placebo capsules. While prison staff distributed the coded capsules, the study organisers recorded the number and type of offences each of the young prisoners committed, nine months before the trial and for nine months while getting the capsules. The supplement group committed a quarter fewer offences compared to those on placebo. The greatest reduction was for serious offences, including violence, where there was a drop of nearly 40%. In each case there was no reduction in offending for those taking placebo capsules. The researchers conclude: " Ensuring the prisoners got adequate vitamins, minerals and essential fatty acids each day caused a reduction in antisocial behaviour to a remarkable degree. " The prisoners were given a daily multivitamin and mineral tablet providing nutrients at approximately the recommended daily allowance and similar to the Macro Multi M recommended on the failsafe diet (see factsheet on supplements), for example, 75 mg of Vitamin C. As well, they were given fatty acid supplements: 1260 mg of Linoleic acid (omega 6) - found in safflower, sunflower and soybean oils; 160 mg of Gamma linoleic acid (omega 6) - found in evening primrose oil; 80 mg of Eicosapentaenoic acid (omega 3) - found in fish especially tuna and salmon oil and canned sardines, lesser amounts in other fish; 44 mg of Docosahexaenoic acid (omega 3) - in fish as above, also produced less efficiently from Alpha-linoleic acid found in linseed and canola oils. Note that fish oil supplements are not failsafe but may be tested as a challenge, see the Supplements factsheet on our website. More information about the Ayslesbury study: www.physiol.ox.ac.uk/natural.justice/ Resources/PressPack.pdf Heidi Schuppenhauer Cabrita Software heidis@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 >From: " Dr. Ron " <drron@...> > >> I hope no one out there takes offense, but... >> >> The healthiest vegetarians are liars. > >That would make a great bumper sticker. > >....If I wanted to get my tires slashed, that is. And slash tires they do. I'm near Boston's reservoir and it was opened up to a controlled deer hunt half a dozen years ago because the deer were overpopulated, starving and killing the trees to survive. The first bunch of permitted hunters in there got their tires slashed. A federal law against harassing deer hunters came out of it. Didn't stop them though. Their next " cause " was to try to stop the hunts by feeding a bald eagle lead to see how much was toxic (how this could be done on a protected bird I don't know, may be a study they used and didn't actually do but the newspaper didn't specify that) Problem being lead shot either isn't used anymore or illegal. Lead sinkers are used by the fishermen allowed there and fishing wasn't even an issue. Bald eagles eat fish not starved or wounded, not found deer. A classic, no clue as to how nature works example along with abusing what the cause represents in order to be right. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2003 Report Share Posted September 6, 2003 Very, very interesting! http://www.mercola.com/2003/sep/6/metabolic_typing.htm Japanese Doctor Finds Health With Metabolic Typing Dr. Mercola's Comment: Many people are confused as to what type of diet is the “healthy one.” While there are some dietary principles that would benefit the majority of people, such as eliminating grains and sugar, the truth is that no one diet is right for every person. If you are already feeling good, eating should, at the very least, help to maintain your energy level. But if you feel worse in some way an hour or so after eating, such as: You still feel hungry even though you are physically full You develop a sweet craving Your energy level drops You feel hyper, nervous, angry or irritable You feel depressed … then it might be due to an improper combination of proteins, fats and carbohydrates at your last meal. You might be eating the perfect foods for your metabolism, but having too much of one type of food in place of another can easily produce the symptoms listed above. Many people come to my office eating very high-quality nutritious foods and are still quite sick. They haven’t touched sugar or junk food in ages and still suffer with many health problems. There are a number of reasons for this, but one of the major physical ones is related to the fact that they are not eating appropriate foods for their Metabolic Type. If you haven’t yet read the book The Metabolic Typing Diet I would strongly encourage you to do so as it reviews these topics extensively. The story that follows was contributed by a doctor in Japan who wrote to Wolcott (the author of “The Metabolic Typing Diet”) to tell him about his success with Metabolic Typing. When you read his story, you will get a feel for the significant impact this method can have on health. Dear Wolcott, I greatly appreciate your book “The Metabolic Typing Diet.” I am a Japanese medical doctor who, five years ago, succumbed to illness of a flu infection, and I could not work for one year due to my poor physical condition. Before that, I had been aggressively working as a chest surgeon (I work as a primary doctor at the present.). I have experienced trauma and have been afflicted by tinnitus, anorexia, headache,urinary disturbance and other various autonomic imbalances for a long time. At that time I was disappointed in modern medicine, but I had hopes for oriental medicine and I knew of diet therapies like macrobiotics. Soon, I got started on the macrobiotic diet. I stopped all animal foods and dairyproducts. In 1999, I consulted Michio Kushi [one of the founders of macrobiotics] when he visited to Japan. He was gentle and advised me sincerely. In 2000, I visited the Kushi Institute [a well-known macrobiotic educational center] for three months because I wanted to study macrobiotics and know the real situation of macrobiotics in Americans. ly speaking, I was discouraged. People who stuck closely to macrobiotics were barebones, not healthy and looked ghost. They were always irritated. Some teachers were nice and were good advisers, however almost all macrobiotic women had hard personalities and were not calm. On the other hand, almost all macrobiotic men were feminine. Why? Macrobiotic people do not eat animal foods--they eat grains and vegetables. In Japan there is a similar phenomenon. People who stick to Ohsawa-style diet [a macrobiotic-type diet] are thin, aging and not calm. Most of his successors were not long-lived. After flying back to Japan, I adhered to macrobiotics consistently because I believed that “Yan repels Yan,” so Yan human should not eat Yan animal foods. (Certain Japanese brown rice-diet authorities affirm that eating animal food is against the universe law, so if you eat animal food, you are sure to end your life.) However, I began to feel sick when I ate much more brown rice. So, I atemore vegetables. After doing this, my brain became sharp unlike before, but I could not gain strength. I got tired easily; I always felt hungry and my body became rigid. All this time, I had repeatedly asked myself a great question: whether humansshould eat animal foods. One month ago, I learned of your book through Dr. ph Mercola’s Web site. Soon I read “The Metabolic Typing Diet” and learned that I am a “Protein Type” right on. At last I figured out the mystery. Now I know why certain people feel refreshed when eating brown rice, but certain people do not. I learned that I should consume animal protein and fat. No, I MUST consume them. Lastly, I abandoned being a so-called macrobiotic vegetarian and started eating fish and eggs and taking flaxseed oil. The transitional period was short, and I now feel refreshed. I have no doubt that I was lacking protein and fat. I appreciate knowing www.mercola.com and “The Metabolic Typing Diet.” I am not yet in perfect condition, but I am relieved from anxiety and distress. I believe that I will return to health increasingly. Japanese have eaten animal foods from ancient days. People living on the seacoast have eaten oceanic fish, shellfish and seaweed; people living in the mountains have eaten wild game and freshwater fish. Naturally they have eaten various grains and seasonal vegetables, and the Japanese have been active and sharp. However, Japan has been westernized, and therefore we have forgotten our traditional diet. Nowadays, poor-quality animal foods and vegetables, processed foods and junkfoods penetrate down to the streets. Almost all fish are contaminated, and there are few organic animal foods. Many Japanese people are sick, and there are a lot of crimes--absolutely regrettable. Now is the time to recover a proper diet in Japan, but most Japanese physicians play down the role of diet in health. In the future, Japanese physicians must study the relationship between diet and disease. Sincerely, Yasumasa Takeda, MDChiba, Japan Related Articles: Eating for Your Genetic Type Macrobiotics Founder Dies of Cancer at 78 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Gotta say, , this sounds very trollish. >Right now I am reading The Metabolic Typing Diet by Wolcott >(highly recommended by Dr. Mercola) and I am starting to implement >it. This book now tops my list of all health/nutritional books I have >ever read. Wolcott's insight and approach is profound, as profound as >when I first read NAPD and NT, and that's saying a lot. It is that >profound because it has changed the fundamental assumptions I've had about >nutrition and health, just like NAPD and NT did. > >Some say we should all be eating high protein/fat and low carb. Others >says higher carb and lower fat/protein. The Zone guys say they should be >balanced. I have heard of people getting results on each approach and >have heard that none of them get results on everyone. Wolcott explains >why! And how to determine and fine tune what is right for you to acheive >optimal health. > >Wolcott's approach fits very nicely with NT, as NT tells you how to >prepare nutrient dense foods. (He mentions NT a number of times.) Wolcott >helps you figure out the best macronutrient ratios for you. Every >individual is different and what is helpful for one can be harmful for >another! I feel like Eureka! I found it! > >What is really profound is his approach addresses you not only below the >symptom level but below the systemic level. I have never heard this >before. He compares alternative practitioners to being similar to >allopathic doctors in that they both really treat symptoms or particular >diseases or illnesses. Wolcott doesn't even care what your symptoms >are! They never have the same cause person to person and are a sign of a >system not functioning properly which is in turn a sign of the fundamental >control mechanisms of the body being out of balance. Those fundamental >control mechanisms are what he balances and doing that makes all your body >systems function properly and optimal health comes about. > >He points out over and over again that what makes one person sick can make >another person manifest something totally different. To try to say that >one disease has one cause is wrong; they manifest from many reasons and >differently in different people. That's why one protocol works from one >person and doesn't work for another (or even makes them worse). > >So, I highly recommend the book! Anyone else out there read it or >applying it? > > Kwong - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Steve - I think your posts are just fine - I usually read them all the way through because your ideas are interesting to me. If you try too hard to write " correctly " you may lose track of what you're trying to say. It probably wouldn't hurt to take some of those suggestions, but don't let it hinder you, please! Aven > > I don't think some of us are perfect enough to be posting here today..... > :-) ?!?!?! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 , Was as enthusiastic as you after reading MTD, even tried to come up with the funds to become a consultant. There's been discussion here about it off and on. Some use it, others don't like it. I'm happier with not focusing totally on Wolcott's book and methods and went on to read more instead. Individual specific diet has had a few researchers since J. 's book Biochemical Individuality. All researchers have different medical and some do it yourself tests and different names for their nutritional methods. All use the same diet and supplements that seem to have originated with . Not putting any researcher down. Wolcott did find there are slow and fast metabolizers who do not respond due to different energy processing that is sympathetic or parasympathetic dominant instead. Makes total sense to me and works for me with gluten and casein elimination and fast metabolizer diet. Fast metabolizer supplements made energy even better. You can write to me offlist for a list of what I've read. MTD has the most science of all the books I've read. Others are more understandable for me and the case studies are inspiring. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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