BAC/ETG relationship...

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marsha what the UAE shows is that there is endogenous alcohol present up to 3.52mg/dl variably at times in the blood stream. if it could be established in false positive EtG folks had endogenous etoh documented without drinking would go a long way to explaining autobrewing.as the underlying root cuase as is speculated in the UAE study as the root cause of almost all positive BAC 's without drinking.. more of a reasearch point really. as you say doubt the powers that be would be impressed one way or the other. regards, Marsha Dienelt <marshadienelt@...> wrote: The powers that be will not accept a BAC as they say it proves nothing going backward, only what you were smart enough not to do the few hrs prior to the test. Been there, done that. Marsharobin murray <remurraymd > wrote: lorie just random thoughts but have you considered trying to replicate the UAE study table 1 on you? perhaps do a blood alcohol with your EtG test. if the UAE study table is correct at times your blood

endogenous alcohol could be variably as much as 3.52 mg/dl indirectly proving yeast causing endogenous alcohol production in gut which has to be what is happening in you and others. women lack the oxidative liver enzymes to rapidly handle endogenous etoh from autobrewing also have more problems with systemic vaginal and gut yeast.explaining why recurrent false positives are all female. makes a lot of sense to me. just random theoretical thoughts of course... hang in there,r sacloriecomcast (DOT) net wrote: Liz, The way I see it right now, the only chance we really have of this test being thrown out is to solve the mystery

of what is causing us to test positive. Unfortunately, our word(s) means nothing. It must be proven scientifically and published for it to hold any credibility with our monitoring agencies. That is the most discouraging thing for me right now. After all I've been through, I cannot tell you just what it is that is causing me to test positive. I cannot reproduce a positive test. I have a hunch that yeast is somehow involved. But I am unable to reproduce a yeast infection to somehow to show a connection. Just my random thoughts.... Lorie -------------- Original message -------------- From: mslizrncomcast (DOT) net I challenge anyone in our situation to face it completely without bitterness. It is so hard knowing you have done nothing wrong and yet they will not hear. the consolation is that someday they will have to

eat every word they have so resolutely self righteously spoken!!-------------- Original message ----------------------From: "avedely" <avedely >> I also found out today that one of our members in my IPN group tested > positive for ETG. She did not drink. She never had a problem with > drinking, etc. She was also at a point of potential "graduation" from > the evil IPN. Now she'll have to do the eval too and refrain from > work... possibly lose her job. She has no idea how she got a positive > and is rightfully upset. I was so mad too. I am one of three people > in the group that is ETG tested. The odds are not good if 1 out of 3 > of us ha s already falsely tested positive. Other people in my group > and my facilitator have always looked at me as an "angry, bitter" > young woman about the whole ETG test. They're keeping

their mouth > shut now. And as I elaborated on the errors and many false positives > that this test produces, my facilitator had the nerve to patronize me > and say..."oh, that's just not true". I told her how I had read many > articles and learned a lot from my online group. I, having a BS in > micro/molecular biology and a MPH in communicable diseases... as well > as a stupid BSN am just a silly little incompetent idiot. Shame on > all these moronic condescending people that try to put fear and have > control over our lives. I'm sick of it.> > >> Florida lost another really good nurse this week. A woman in my IPN> group flunked her EtG. Her "crime"? Eating a cup of Haagen Daaz ice> cream. She only discovered it had rum in it after consuming a cup: her> son - who has multiple allergies - wanted some, so she checked the> label carefully. The ice cream didn't even have a suspicious name like> "Rum Raisin" or "Pina Colada": it was "Creamy Coconut" or some such> concoction.> > Of course, IPN sent her to one of their pet "addictionologists", who'd> never heard of the SAMHSA report, and still believes in that

frigging> "gold standard" myth. The woman even volunteered to submit to a hair> test, which was negative. The result: she's been refrained from> practice, and has to start the fool program over again. She's> consequently lost her job, and like me has NO idea when she'll be> allowed to practice nursing again.> > Did I mention that this woman is six months pregnant? And that her> husband is stationed in Iraq? And that her five year old is a Special> Needs child who requires round the clock care? And that she's been> clean and sober for almost six years, and was due to "graduate"? And> that alcohol was never her problem to begin with?> > No one from IPN even asked the facilitator - who's known this woman> for years - or anyone else who knows her for their opinion. We would> all have said "Forget it. She's sober. The test sucks". Instead they> took the word

of some guy who spoke with her for half an hour, and> wasn't even aware the EtG is flawed.> > After weighing her options, my friend decided to surrender her license> and seek another career. As she put it "There's no guarantee this> won't happen again". She's still young enough to find another way of> making a living that won't put her through this kind of grief. She> seems resigned to leaving nursing.> > And I'm so #@!*ing mad I could spit.> > Thanks for letting me vent.> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.