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Welcome to the group Kay. Sorry you are here because you are hurting. I hope

you get as much out of this group as I have. I think you will find us a

bunch of crazy but very compassionate people. If there is ever anything I

can do to help you please let me know. Again welcome.

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Thanks Ian,

always a pleasure, and Hi everyone.

Be speaking to you all soon

Take Care

H.

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In a message dated 8/5/00 9:05:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, MBrayley@...

writes:

<< I'm the one who talks too much... >>

,

Not even! )

Jeannie

Mom to Mark and

[Guest guest]

Hi (Conn):

A belated welcome to the group. I have been reading your posts and have

been wanting to welcome you, but, with a toddler and an 8-mo old at home

with me, my allotted computer time is both unpredictable and limited! I

know you can relate to that, being the mother of 3.

I know others have responded to your messages, so I'll try not to be

redundant. It takes a great deal of strength to deal with the fact that not

one, not two, but all three of your children have been given a diagnosis. I

echo your shock and grief, and hope that you have opportunities to take care

of yourself in this difficult time. Hang in there, with your committment,

perseverance and caring for your children, things can become a lot better,

even it may often seem otherwise.

It sounds like Ian did not receive E/RP for his OCD, possibly because his

main difficulty was with rage. Now that he is doing well with his rages, it

might actually be very good timing to have a CBT therapist evaluate the

status of his OCD (you say you're not sure how much obsessive thinking he's

doing) and start E/RP if indicated. CBT is a lot easier to do in moments of

calm, believe me, and very difficult in the midst of crisis, when all you

can do is put out the most destructive fires. About his throat

clearing---tics DO come and go, so perhaps I don't know enough about the

nature of his throat clearing to understand why his docs thought that " come

and go " ruled out tics. With regard to organization, ADHD, etc, I would

recommend Teaching the Tiger by Marilyn Dornbush and Sheryl Pruitt--an

excellent resource to share with the school for kids with ADHD, behavioral

probs, OCD, TS. Your son's rages may or may not be part of OCD. Kids with

TS also have rages, and since TS and OCD and ADHD often happen together,

rages may be a part of the manifestation of " disinibition " that stems from

the brain. If your son does have tics, the Tourette Syndrome Association

(see Links for website) is a wealth of info, advocacy. It also has local

chapters in most states.

With regard to Gracie, I'm guessing that she was diagnosed with OCD for

other symptoms in addition to the potty withholding? It's unlikely that

contamination fears began in early infancy (she would have been too young to

have that level of thinking), when you noted that the constipation began.

Perhaps they have evolved to contamination more recently? With regard to

the CB therapist saying she would use play therapy, I hope she means that

she will use play as a means to build rapport, trust, and as a vehicle for

presenting the behavior therapy. Play therapy in itself does not work for

OCD, but it can be used as a means to an end. Helping young children

understand OCD and ERP is very important---I have worked with a few kids as

young as 4, and they can understand it and they can do ERP successfully, in

my experience. You mentioned you couldn't find the book Up and Down the

Worry Hill---the OCF does carry it, but it's very new, and they have yet to

update their listing. It's also available at

http://www.Lighthouse-Press.com When kids understand OCD and ERP, it's like

an " aha! " experience, which can be a turning point in their treatment.

Gotta run, kids up from nap.

Take care,

Aureen P. Wagner, Ph.D.

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr. Wagner:

Thanks very much for the welcome and the insights. I am just learning about CBT and play therapy so I appreciate any advice.

I must admit I'm really not sure why Ian's docs ruled out his throat clearing as TS. I was just so relieved. I thought their reasoning was that the tics come and go - I may be wrong. I haven't heard any today - usually we notice them when he's reading or doing homework. Maybe it's just a habit.

Gracie's diagnosis did come as a result of other symptoms as well. She has been pulling her hair out since she was about 18 months old (ttm) and her pediatrician was concerned that she might be somewhat autistic or suffering from some form of PPD (pervasive whatever). Her speech has been delayed and unclear. Anyway, based on his recommendation and the gastro dr.'s who felt the severe constipation was a result of withholding and not organic in nature, we went to a neurologist. He considered the ttm as a SIB due to OCD, ruled out autism,and felt the constipation was withholding (it's not just from the potty, she won't even go in her diaper if she can help it). Also, he based his diagnosis on family history. He doesn't recommend any meds at this time. He recommended her enrollment in PPCD (preschool program for children with disabilities) at our elementary school. She had already qualified due to her speech delays. As much as I hate labels, the OCD diagnosis will help her stay in the program as "other health impaired". She started school on 8/10 (M-F 7:30 - 1) and is doing great! When she went last spring for a week's evaluation, she hated it and cried most of the time. Now she just loves it and cries when she gets home because she can't stay longer! Her speech has grown by leaps and bounds. She comes home just chattering and singing. We are really enjoying her communicating more. She has quit pulling her hair out but now picks at her top lip when stressed or uncertain. She is learning great socialization skills and they are beginning to work on the potty problem also. No other preschool would take her without being trained. Her class has 6 PPCD students and 4 teacher's preschool children with 1 teacher and 2 full-time aides. This is a much better ratio than I've ever gotten at daycare or private preschool. She also gets speech therapy twice a week and bus transportation to help with separation anxiety (hers and her mother's!). It was very hard to leave her screaming at school. When I had her in private preschool, she would cry for long periods and not really participate in group activities.

Sorry for the long post - I'm not used to having someone who really understands my kids' problems to talk to! I'm ordering both books as well as "Blink, Blink, Clop, Clop" for my older kids.

Thanks again,

lmconn@...

Re: Welcome

Hi (Conn):A belated welcome to the group. I have been reading your posts and havebeen wanting to welcome you, but, with a toddler and an 8-mo old at homewith me, my allotted computer time is both unpredictable and limited! Iknow you can relate to that, being the mother of 3.I know others have responded to your messages, so I'll try not to beredundant. It takes a great deal of strength to deal with the fact that notone, not two, but all three of your children have been given a diagnosis. Iecho your shock and grief, and hope that you have opportunities to take careof yourself in this difficult time. Hang in there, with your committment,perseverance and caring for your children, things can become a lot better,even it may often seem otherwise.It sounds like Ian did not receive E/RP for his OCD, possibly because hismain difficulty was with rage. Now that he is doing well with his rages, itmight actually be very good timing to have a CBT therapist evaluate thestatus of his OCD (you say you're not sure how much obsessive thinking he'sdoing) and start E/RP if indicated. CBT is a lot easier to do in moments ofcalm, believe me, and very difficult in the midst of crisis, when all youcan do is put out the most destructive fires. About his throatclearing---tics DO come and go, so perhaps I don't know enough about thenature of his throat clearing to understand why his docs thought that "comeand go" ruled out tics. With regard to organization, ADHD, etc, I wouldrecommend Teaching the Tiger by Marilyn Dornbush and Sheryl Pruitt--anexcellent resource to share with the school for kids with ADHD, behavioralprobs, OCD, TS. Your son's rages may or may not be part of OCD. Kids withTS also have rages, and since TS and OCD and ADHD often happen together,rages may be a part of the manifestation of "disinibition" that stems fromthe brain. If your son does have tics, the Tourette Syndrome Association(see Links for website) is a wealth of info, advocacy. It also has localchapters in most states.With regard to Gracie, I'm guessing that she was diagnosed with OCD forother symptoms in addition to the potty withholding? It's unlikely thatcontamination fears began in early infancy (she would have been too young tohave that level of thinking), when you noted that the constipation began.Perhaps they have evolved to contamination more recently? With regard tothe CB therapist saying she would use play therapy, I hope she means thatshe will use play as a means to build rapport, trust, and as a vehicle forpresenting the behavior therapy. Play therapy in itself does not work forOCD, but it can be used as a means to an end. Helping young childrenunderstand OCD and ERP is very important---I have worked with a few kids asyoung as 4, and they can understand it and they can do ERP successfully, inmy experience. You mentioned you couldn't find the book Up and Down theWorry Hill---the OCF does carry it, but it's very new, and they have yet toupdate their listing. It's also available athttp://www.Lighthouse-Press.com When kids understand OCD and ERP, it's likean "aha!" experience, which can be a turning point in their treatment.Gotta run, kids up from nap.Take care,Aureen P. Wagner, Ph.D.You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing listserv@... . In the body of your message write: subscribe OCD-L your name. You may subscribe to the Parents of Adults with OCD List at parentsofadultswithOCD . You may access the files, links, and archives for our list at http://www.egoups.com/group/ . Subscription issues, problems, or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at harkins@... .

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Dear Dr. Wagner:

Thanks very much for the welcome and the insights. I am just learning about CBT and play therapy so I appreciate any advice.

Gracie's diagnosis did come as a result of other symptoms as well. She has been pulling her hair out since she was about 18 months old (ttm) and her pediatrician was concerned that she might be somewhat autistic or suffering from some form of PPD (pervasive whatever). Her speech has been delayed and unclear. She started school on 8/10 (M-F 7:30 - 1) and is doing great! When she went last spring for a week's evaluation, she hated it and cried most of the time. Now she just loves it and cries when she gets home because she can't stay longer! Her speech has grown by leaps and bounds. She comes home just chattering and singing. We are really enjoying her communicating more. She has quit pulling her hair out but now picks at her top lip when stressed or uncertain. She is learning great socialization skills and they are beginning to work on the potty problem also.

Hi ,

Glad to hear that Gracie is doing so well in school--that must be very encouraging. It sounds like Gracie might need an integrated treatment approach that involves not just CBT for her OCD, but also takes into account her language development, potty issues, socialization etc. CBT can be more challenging when there are language or learning delays involved, so her therapist will have to factor this in. I think play therapy is a great vehicle for this. BTW, ttm that starts very early, eg, at toddler age, is more likely to be transient and not persist into adulthood than in ttm that starts in later years. Hope that Gracie's ttm falls into that spectrum.

Take care, and keep us posted,

Aureen Wagner, Ph.D.

[Guest guest]

Welcome Shipp Family!

Hope to read lots more from you :0)

Arlene

shannon 13

--

http://www.geocities.com/mum2shan/school.html

I will be going to Mexico in January.

One heart to touch at a time :-)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/17/01 10:22:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,

ROBLISFISH@... writes:

<< Help! I am a new subscriber to the group. I sent back my confirmation and

got a welcome note. I then sent a note out introducing myself, and my

family, etc. But I can't see where that went, nor have I gotten any

responses. I am getting a lot of e-mails that are going back and forth to

people, however, I am guessing the messages get posted elsewhere. >>

Glad I saw your post ...and welcome! :-) I hope you will find this

list worth the wait. LOL How about another introduction so we can get to

know you.

Gail

Gail, Mom to; Seth-5 ds/asd/pdd/pica, jo-8, Becky-10, -23, Jen-25,

Grandma to Errick-4

and wife to -my hero

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/17/01 12:37:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,

ROBLISFISH@... writes:

<< Your saw my post because I e-mailed it to you directly. Is there a way

that

messages are posted to the whole group??

>>

,

You sent both of your posts to the whole group. :-) We found Seth's

autism when we went to the psych for eating problems. LOL As far as school

placements, Seth will just be leaving preschool this coming fall, and I

haven't found a class I feel comfortable with. Seth is in an autistic

program, 6-1-1 class. I agree, even after 3 years of dealing with it, it is

still overwhelming! I think parents of older kids would agree at times too.

Sounds like you have a wonderful family. Wish I had some magic words for

you, but I am finding the more I learn, the dumber I get. There is so much

out there and trying to make the right choice is hard. I have resolved to do

what *I* think is best, and if it doesn't work, I will try something else.

Oh, if you see the return address as ds/autism, that is the group. e-groups

was much easier than ! LOL Glad to have you aboard !

Gail

[Guest guest]

Your saw my post because I e-mailed it to you directly. Is there a way that

messages are posted to the whole group??

I am and am Mom to Matt- 12 (almost 13-wow!), Allie- 11, AJ- 3 with

DS and Autism and Lizzie-2. Our wonderful dad and husband is Rob!

We found about AJ's autism when we went to a dr. to talk about dry skin. He

asked us other questions and then out of the blue said he had autism. We

did get a second opinion to confirm.

This came in December. It has been a bit of a roller coaster ride. We were

1 week before our first IEP. There was a lot of questions to if the

preschool we picked out, which he was starting to go in Jan., was the right

choice. For me, I knew it was going to be a big transition wherever he went.

He had been on home based services. The school said they could handle the

diagnosis. Some people thought he should be in a " behavior " program. It

was/is all so overwhelming. We decided to try out the original choice and

see how he did. His home based OT works there as well, she is a big sensory

proponent and has been doing sensory therapy with him for 6 months.

I am still not sure it has been the right choice. Unfortunately his

attendance has been poor because he was sick 1 week with the stomach

virus--the poor kid was the first to get it in our family, and still had it

when everyone else recovered. Now he has a horrible head cold and ear

infection. It has been close to a week already and nothing seems to be

touching it. Our dr. said we need to ride it out...easy for him to say

withal child who can't/won/t blow his nose and can't stand to have anyone

anywhere near his nose.

But we are committed to have him finish out until summer and do some

investigation of other schools until then. It is so hard..everyone says

they have the best approach!

Thanks for the e-mail! Talk to you soon.....

Re: welcome

> In a message dated 2/17/01 10:22:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> ROBLISFISH@... writes:

>

> << Help! I am a new subscriber to the group. I sent back my confirmation

and

> got a welcome note. I then sent a note out introducing myself, and my

> family, etc. But I can't see where that went, nor have I gotten any

> responses. I am getting a lot of e-mails that are going back and forth

to

> people, however, I am guessing the messages get posted elsewhere. >>

>

>

> Glad I saw your post ...and welcome! :-) I hope you will find this

> list worth the wait. LOL How about another introduction so we can get to

> know you.

> Gail

> Gail, Mom to; Seth-5 ds/asd/pdd/pica, jo-8, Becky-10, -23,

Jen-25,

> Grandma to Errick-4

> and wife to -my hero

>

>

>

>

>

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Thanks for allowing me to join this list...I am from NE Texas and new to

soapmaking, etc...

I am looking for some info and hope you can help me...If this is

inappropriate, I aplologize and just let me know....A guy came through town a

while back, selling cleaner...I cannot get hold of him and I'm trying to

figure out how to make this cleaner...He called it " Dirt Buster " ...I know

that it has 4 chemicals in it..something like NP-9, caustic soda 50%, and 2

others....EB (?) and SOD SIL (?)....Perhaps someone can tell me a chemical

company, hopefully here in Texas, that can maybe analyze this product for me?

The label does not include the ingredients, I just know this by talking to

him...He mixes it up in a drum and adds water....

Once again, I apologize if this is inappropriate....and I will not post

anything pertaining to this again, if you let me know.

Thanks,

GAL in TExAS

[Guest guest]

It will be interesting to find out what ingredients are including here.

I know I looked on a bar of Fels Naptha and there were no ingredients at all

on the label which I found interesting. I am wondering if manufactureres of

soaps do not have put ingredients on their labels.

Re: Welcome

> Thanks for allowing me to join this list...I am from NE Texas and new to

> soapmaking, etc...

> I am looking for some info and hope you can help me...If this is

> inappropriate, I aplologize and just let me know....A guy came through

town a

> while back, selling cleaner...I cannot get hold of him and I'm trying to

> figure out how to make this cleaner...He called it " Dirt Buster " ...I know

> that it has 4 chemicals in it..something like NP-9, caustic soda 50%, and

2

> others....EB (?) and SOD SIL (?)....Perhaps someone can tell me a chemical

> company, hopefully here in Texas, that can maybe analyze this product for

me?

> The label does not include the ingredients, I just know this by talking

to

> him...He mixes it up in a drum and adds water....

[Guest guest]

That's right if it is sold as soap. Just that, no claims about moisturizing

or cleansing or anything else, then you don't have to include the

ingredients.

Heidi

> It will be interesting to find out what ingredients are including here.

> I know I looked on a bar of Fels Naptha and there were no ingredients at

all

> on the label which I found interesting. I am wondering if manufactureres

of

> soaps do not have put ingredients on their labels.

[Guest guest]

Must be about # 9,876,053,017,294 ...but who is keeping count anyway...

Barbara <molesareus@...> wrote: Welcome Michele (don't know what number you are)

[Guest guest]

I am!!!

Its Michele #5

Aisha

>

>

> Must be about # 9,876,053,017,294 ...but who is keeping

count anyway...

[Guest guest]

Hi Nerys,

Thanks for the welcome your posts are indicative of a rather "effervescent" personality ( if that is the correct term!). How do you manage to keep up all the study as well as the caring and maintain that sense of humour all at the same time. What part of Oz are you from?

P.S.We won't be able to send chocolate over the net as we want you to keep talking!

BTW thanks everyone for the humour over the past few days - certainly therapeutic!

Take care.

Craig Weavers

welcome

Hi guys

Just wanted to say a really belated hello to all the new people who have joined recently. It is a good to see another aussie too. Wooohooo welcome Craig!!! Yep I am an aussie too, I am a carer for my hubby.I have been really quiet recently as have started a uni course, I am mad for sure!!! Normally I have to be bribed with chocolate to hush up!!! LMAO

Take care and welcome to all the newies

Lots of love

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Hiya Craig,

Where are you from again? (Asks the sydney sider...)

Whats been going on in your neck of the woods... Hows your wife? How

are you coping?

Please hang in there ok? Vent to us anytime you need.

Much love,

Aisha.

[Guest guest]

Aisha,

Thanks for your kind words.

Have you developed RSI yet from all those emails?!!

I'm from N.S.W., Killarney Vale, the Central Coast.- not too far distant

from our Sydney cousins! How'd you go with the storm this evening? Or did it

miss your area- pretty bad, eh?

's been having a lot of seizures and bombed out of her brain with

all the medication ( none of which really seems to do much, aside from a

whole heap of side effects!) I've been hitting the painkillers in the past

couple of days ( something which I do very reluctantly) and pretty much

taking it slowly excepting where the circumstances require otherwise.At

least theis episode seems to be settling now!

You hang in there, and take it easy too, this is an excellent group and you

are providing some great support for a lot of people. A kind word or two

makes the day seem a little easier.

Thanks.

Craig.

Re: welcome

Hiya Craig,

Where are you from again? (Asks the sydney sider...)

Whats been going on in your neck of the woods... Hows your wife? How

are you coping?

Please hang in there ok? Vent to us anytime you need.

Much love,

Aisha.

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[Guest guest]

Hiya Craig,

Ahhh this is nothing! You should see my inbox! I ignore those for a

few days then have these huge frenzied clean outs! LOLOL... The price

of fame (sheesh the pension dont buy much huh? lol)

Killarey Heights is near me but actually never been to the Central

Coast. Did we have storms? I'm pretty vague and usually miss

everything... We are fine thanks for asking and you guys??? No storm

damage I hope!

I'm sorry to hear about beth, what is wrong with her again.

Sorry I dont remember, but its neurological (thats my area!!!) and I

know alot bout neuro meds (none really good lol) and yes, they

usually make you feel really horrible. Central Coast - is that near

Gosford? OOOOH if it is I know a really good Neurologist.....

Are you a full time care giver or do you have medical stuff rumbling

along also? Either are terrible things to have to cope with. Do you

get much support from friends or family?

Hang in there!!

Love Aisha.

> Aisha,

> Thanks for your kind words.

> Have you developed RSI yet from all those emails?!!

> I'm from N.S.W., Killarney Vale, the Central Coast.- not too far

distant from our Sydney cousins! How'd you go with the storm this

evening? Or did it miss your area- pretty bad, eh?

>

> 's been having a lot of seizures and bombed out of her

brain with all the medication ( none of which really seems to do

much, aside from a whole heap of side effects!) I've been hitting the

painkillers in the past couple of days ( something which I do very

reluctantly) and pretty much taking it slowly excepting where the

circumstances require otherwise.At least theis episode seems to be

settling now!

>

> You hang in there, and take it easy too, this is an excellent group

and you are providing some great support for a lot of people. A kind

word or two makes the day seem a little easier.

>

> Thanks.

> Craig.

[Guest guest]

I'd switch doctors and fast, like you are doing. I had one in my

face threatening me with neglect, as soon as I heard those words

I calmly walked out and went back to my old doctor who supports

my decision. It is an insurance game, doctor in YOUR county thing

and we live like six miles from the line. I have one I am not too sure

about after we moved and AGAIN the insurance is dictating who we

see. I hate insurance companies sometimes...

Western NY

Welcome

> >Anyway my babies doctor said that if we decided not to vaccinate she

> would have to consider taking legal action. Of course that scared me to

> death.

>

> my guess would be that that is exactly what she was trying to do----SCARE

> you into vaccinating. perhaps she took that route to avoid getting into

> any discussion of vaccine safety/efficacy, worried that you had done your

> homework and could present intelligent, informed opinions. what a nasty

> thing for her to do. talk about hitting at the heart of a parent! i

don't

> even know if she could do such a thing. the only thing i can see is that

a

> doctor by law must report child abuse, and conceivably she could view not

> vaccinating as child abuse and report you to whatever authority, setting

in

> motion some sort of investigation. does anyone on the list know if this

is

> a likely scenario? of course, i suppose she could also fabricate a story

> regarding abuse. definitely go to another doctor; a homeopath or

> naturopath would be a good bet.

>

> >I've been looking for another doctor and have possibly found one.

> >My husband is open to not vaccinating, I just need to present facts and

> statistics to him. There is so much information out there, I'm

overwhelmed

> with what to show him. I need something short and simple but factual -

any

> ideas?

>

> a good, short and to-the-point book is " vaccines: are they really safe and

> effective? " by neil z. miller. full of statistics :-)

>

> tami

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Hi Sue,

>

> Sorry about your son...I hope you find the answers you are looking

for.

Thanks, . I read an article that was posted a while back in my

local town, and I just called them.

http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/kc1/health/stories/health-

20001129-230506.html

We'll see what happens!

Sue

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> I am also researching sprouting and enzyme therapy for a new friend

> who has ovarian cancer. Thanks for creating this online community. I

> have a lot to learn.

>

> Peace,  

Yup. Lost a perfectly good mom to pancreatic. Walked everywhere. Ate 5 colors

of veggies almost everday... Non-drinker.

BillSF9c

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, castaway41@...

This is great news! I 100% agree that the most helpful

treatment for learning to live with ocd is cbt with

erp,. with the use of medication as needed. As a

parent, learning to not reassure and comply to ocd's

rules is the most difficult, but most helpful things

we can do!

where do you live?

take care, wendy, in canada

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What we have found the most helpful is the

exposure/response behavioral therapy we do. he has

been seeing a specialist weekly for a year & exposing

him to what makes him anxious has been SO effective &

right now, his OCD is really controllable. (at least

now we feel we have the tools & the know how on what

to do when it increases) And that is NOT to reassure

him!

Good to talk with you,

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, we live in MA & go to a specialist at UMASS Hospital in Worc.

>From: w birkhan <birkhanw@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Welcome

>Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 15:40:08 -0400 (EDT)

>

>, castaway41@...

>

>This is great news! I 100% agree that the most helpful

>treatment for learning to live with ocd is cbt with

>erp,. with the use of medication as needed. As a

>parent, learning to not reassure and comply to ocd's

>rules is the most difficult, but most helpful things

>we can do!

>

>where do you live?

>

>take care, wendy, in canada

>=====================================================

>What we have found the most helpful is the

>exposure/response behavioral therapy we do. he has

>been seeing a specialist weekly for a year & exposing

>him to what makes him anxious has been SO effective &

>right now, his OCD is really controllable. (at least

>now we feel we have the tools & the know how on what

>to do when it increases) And that is NOT to reassure

>him!

>Good to talk with you,

>

>

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