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Hi Mimi,

I am taking Primal Defense and haven't had any reactions that have concerned me. I think the first few times I took it I felt a little stomach upset, but that has since stopped. Are you drinking lots of water? Maybe take a smaller dose and see if you can get by with that. Otherwise, you may want to take their advice and get some supervision during your detoxing efforts. It can't hurt, (well, except in the pocketbook, unfortunately....I know that does hurt.) But you know you have to do it and get your body cleaned out. Just take it slow and easy.

Hugs,

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: Mimi Merchant

Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:19 AM

Subject: hi all of you...

Hello Friends,I am three weeks explant and started detoxing with Fungal defence but when I reached 4 caplets each morning and night for the first day I felt very dizzy and next day morning when I took 4 again I felt dizzy and fainted my physician said may be my blood pressure went down and I should call garden of life(the manufacturer) to see if thie is one of the reaction, I spoke to the technical support team at Garden of life, and she said to stop Fungal defence and not to start with Primal defence. It could be too high detox for me, and I would be better off going under care of Naturepathic doctor for detox.Would appreciate knowing if any one had similar reaction to Fungal defence or Primal defence, Thank you.

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dear mimi

I think that fungal defense is a very strong product. It has oil of

oregano and olive leaf and fulvic acid. I have taken fulvic acid in

a product called biogenesis and it did make me somewhat dizzy. I

have gotten slightly dizzy from olive leaf and oil of oregano.

However I have never fainted. I would guess that you sufferd a

large herx. The toxins were accumulating each day and by the fourth

day you were overwhelmed. I think that primal defense is much

easier to tolerate than fungal defense. I would try it and start

off very very slowly. Like one caplet a day for several days.

When youare sure there is no reaction, up it to one caplet twice

aday. Do that for at least 3-7 days. If no or little reaction up

it to three caplets a day. But before starting it, wait a few days

to let the toxins out that you ahve already released. Drink alot of

water and dont take anything else detoxifying yet. Some of us are

very sensitive and it can be a huge mistake to take all kinds of

things at once. It can be overwhelming and you will not be able to

tell what you are reacting to that way. You will also want to give

up if it makes you feel terrible. Are you taking anything else?

Like acidolphalus? Colostrum? Inositol? Milk Thistle? All of

these things and much more has the ability to cause a herx by

either killing organisms directly or increasing your immune system

so that it will kill organisms. If you are taking other things, I

think you have to have a game plan as to which you think would be

the first step. Take it ALONE until you are sure you can tolerate

it and get it to the dose you think is sufficient. Then you can add

the next thing. Again, start very small and work up all the while

noting how muchyou can tolerate. I have had to do this with

immunocal. YOu are supposed to take one packet. I had a clinican

tell me to start with 1/4 tsp because I got in terrible pain when I

took it for a couple of weeks. I was herxing. Take care and good

luck.

kathy

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