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The reason why I am asking about politically correct terms is because a

small agency is in the process of creating titles for the directors, one for

the blind and the other for the deaf, and they are seeking the terms for

those with some vision or some hearing.

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When I am introducing myself to someone on a friendly basis then I use the

term hearing impaired mostly because I like the way it sounds better than hard

of hearing. Or maybe I just say I don't hear too well. I could care less

how I say it actually.

But when I am introducing myself to someone in a working relationship then I

say that I have a hearing disability. That way people know not to mess with

me in that area!

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Carol - since you are such an active advocate for the hearing impaired, I have a

question.  Years ago I was under the assumption that the term Hard of Hearing

was no longer in vogue, but that it was better to use Hearing Impaired to

described people such as myself.  Did I dream that up, or has it gone back to

" Hard of Hearing " ?  I actually prefer the term " Hearing Impaired " myself, but

maybe there is a good reason why people do not use it.  I'd be interested in

learning more about this, if you have the answers.  :)

Thanks.

 

Hogwash

Hi :

Back in the mid nineties I was appointed to a Governor's advisory council to

the agency that serves the Deaf and Hard of Hearing in Wisconsin. At that

time the office was called Office for the Hearing Impaired. Then the Deaf

community as well as the hard of hearing groups wanted a change, so we

changed our name to Office for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing. I cannot tell

you how many meetings it took to get that done. Both perspectives had their

own take on how the name should read. The words " THE Deaf " was one bone of

contention, and Hard of Hearing reps wanted the name to read Hard of Hearing

PEOPLE. In the end " The deaf " stayed and People got dropped.

Carol in WI

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Posted by: " " wdywms@...

Date: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:24 am ((PDT))

The reason why I am asking about politically correct terms is because a

small agency is in the process of creating titles for the directors, one for

the blind and the other for the deaf, and they are seeking the terms for

those with some vision or some hearing.

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'deaf " no matteer whether it is hard of hear or just deaf

" hearing impaired " is an insult to deaf communites it should says

Kinsella wrote:

>

> Carol - since you are such an active advocate for the hearing

> impaired, I have a question. Years ago I was under the assumption

> that the term Hard of Hearing was no longer in vogue, but that it was

> better to use Hearing Impaired to described people such as myself.

> Did I dream that up, or has it gone back to " Hard of Hearing " ? I

> actually prefer the term " Hearing Impaired " myself, but maybe there is

> a good reason why people do not use it. I'd be interested in learning

> more about this, if you have the answers. :)

> Thanks.

>

>

>

> Hogwash

>

> Hi :

>

> Back in the mid nineties I was appointed to a Governor's advisory

> council to

> the agency that serves the Deaf and Hard of Hearing in Wisconsin. At that

> time the office was called Office for the Hearing Impaired. Then the Deaf

> community as well as the hard of hearing groups wanted a change, so we

> changed our name to Office for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing. I cannot tell

> you how many meetings it took to get that done. Both perspectives had

> their

> own take on how the name should read. The words " THE Deaf " was one bone of

> contention, and Hard of Hearing reps wanted the name to read Hard of

> Hearing

> PEOPLE. In the end " The deaf " stayed and People got dropped.

>

> Carol in WI

>

> 4b. Re: Hogwash

>

> Posted by: " " wdywms@... <mailto:wdywms%40msn.com>

>

> Date: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:24 am ((PDT))

>

> The reason why I am asking about politically correct terms is because a

>

> small agency is in the process of creating titles for the directors,

> one for

>

> the blind and the other for the deaf, and they are seeking the terms for

>

> those with some vision or some hearing.

>

>

>

>

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I think it's back to HoH or Deaf. Impaired sounds like a physical or mental

disability but most deaf or HoH are perfectly fine mentally or physically if no

other disability. I know a lot of people protest using the term Hearing

Impaired. Growing up I didn't use the word deaf because I could hear and speak

well. I would say I am deaf and I read lips. Since my increased hearing loss I

am DEAF and don't hear at all! There is a difference. Suey

@...: jmkinsella55@...: Tue, 24 Jun 2008

15:01:27 -0700Subject: Re: Hogwash

Carol - since you are such an active advocate for the hearing impaired, I have a

question. Years ago I was under the assumption that the term Hard of Hearing

was no longer in vogue, but that it was better to use Hearing Impaired to

described people such as myself. Did I dream that up, or has it gone back to

" Hard of Hearing " ? I actually prefer the term " Hearing Impaired " myself, but

maybe there is a good reason why people do not use it. I'd be interested in

learning more about this, if you have the answers. :)Thanks. -----

Original Message ----From: carol burns <lvmyci@...>To:

@...: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 9:16:29 AMSubject:

HogwashHi :Back in the mid nineties I was appointed to a Governor's

advisory council tothe agency that serves the Deaf and Hard of Hearing in

Wisconsin. At thattime the office was called Office for the Hearing Impaired.

Then the Deafcommunity as well as the hard of hearing groups wanted a change, so

wechanged our name to Office for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing. I cannot tellyou

how many meetings it took to get that done. Both perspectives had theirown take

on how the name should read. The words " THE Deaf " was one bone ofcontention, and

Hard of Hearing reps wanted the name to read Hard of HearingPEOPLE. In the end

" The deaf " stayed and People got dropped.Carol in WI4b. Re: HogwashPosted by:

" " wdywms@... Date: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:24 am ((PDT))The reason

why I am asking about politically correct terms is because a small agency is in

the process of creating titles for the directors, one forthe blind and the other

for the deaf, and they are seeking the terms for those with some vision or some

hearing.

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I too like hearing impaired rather than hard of hearing which always seemed to

have the implication of being old. When I was very young, older people always

seemed to become hard of hearing. Therefore I never wanted to be called hard of

hearing because that is like saying I am old. And having someone else say I was

old would get them on my _ _ _ _ list. LOL

I even refer to myself as deaf now (which was once difficult to admit).

Happy Hearing!

Carol

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Hogwash

Hi :

Back in the mid nineties I was appointed to a Governor's advisory council to

the agency that serves the Deaf and Hard of Hearing in Wisconsin. At that

time the office was called Office for the Hearing Impaired. Then the Deaf

community as well as the hard of hearing groups wanted a change, so we

changed our name to Office for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing. I cannot tell

you how many meetings it took to get that done. Both perspectives had their

own take on how the name should read. The words " THE Deaf " was one bone of

contention, and Hard of Hearing reps wanted the name to read Hard of Hearing

PEOPLE. In the end " The deaf " stayed and People got dropped.

Carol in WI

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Posted by: " " wdywms@...

Date: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:24 am ((PDT))

The reason why I am asking about politically correct terms is because a

small agency is in the process of creating titles for the directors, one for

the blind and the other for the deaf, and they are seeking the terms for

those with some vision or some hearing.

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Why would you think this ?

Hearing impaired means that one's hearing is not perfect. If a person can't

hear, then obviously their hearing is not perfect.

That doesn't mean they are less of a person than anyone else..... it just means

that they can not hear as well as others can.

Happy Hearing!

Carol

Boca Raton, FL

N24C 3G left ear -12/11/01-upgraded to Freedom on 2/19/08

N Freedom- right ear- implanted 3/01/06 activated 4/6/06

Hogwash

>

> Hi :

>

> Back in the mid nineties I was appointed to a Governor's advisory

> council to

> the agency that serves the Deaf and Hard of Hearing in Wisconsin. At that

> time the office was called Office for the Hearing Impaired. Then the Deaf

> community as well as the hard of hearing groups wanted a change, so we

> changed our name to Office for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing. I cannot tell

> you how many meetings it took to get that done. Both perspectives had

> their

> own take on how the name should read. The words " THE Deaf " was one bone of

> contention, and Hard of Hearing reps wanted the name to read Hard of

> Hearing

> PEOPLE. In the end " The deaf " stayed and People got dropped.

>

> Carol in WI

>

> 4b. Re: Hogwash

>

> Posted by: " " wdywms@... <mailto:wdywms%40msn.com>

>

> Date: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:24 am ((PDT))

>

> The reason why I am asking about politically correct terms is because a

>

> small agency is in the process of creating titles for the directors,

> one for

>

> the blind and the other for the deaf, and they are seeking the terms for

>

> those with some vision or some hearing.

>

>

>

>

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Sticks and stones may break my bones but name calling cannot hurt me.

In other words, when we allow labels to be insulting, its something we have

to work on ourselves, not whomever is using said label.

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I just say I have a hearing loss. If that doesn't fit, then I say

hard of hearing.Yes, that was the old way from my younger

days. And now it has returned. Times change. We just

amended our Hearing Loss Association of Florida bylaws

by removing all the " hearing impaired " phrases. We use

mostly " people with hearing loss " or hard of hearing.

However, I won't challenge you if you say hearing impaired.

To each his ownI say, and I will go with the flow. That said,

I do not ever, and have not ever referred to myself as deaf.

Good subject. I'm happy to see all the posts.

Judy in Jax, FL

-- In , Ci92000@... wrote:

>

> When I am introducing myself to someone on a friendly basis then I use the

> term hearing impaired mostly because I like the way it sounds better than

hard

> of hearing. Or maybe I just say I don't hear too well. I could care less

> how I say it actually.

>

> But when I am introducing myself to someone in a working relationship then I

> say that I have a hearing disability. That way people know not to mess with

> me in that area!

>

>

>

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yep im right about that use of word

Judy G. wrote:

>

> I just say I have a hearing loss. If that doesn't fit, then I say

> hard of hearing.Yes, that was the old way from my younger

> days. And now it has returned. Times change. We just

> amended our Hearing Loss Association of Florida bylaws

> by removing all the " hearing impaired " phrases. We use

> mostly " people with hearing loss " or hard of hearing.

>

> However, I won't challenge you if you say hearing impaired.

> To each his ownI say, and I will go with the flow. That said,

> I do not ever, and have not ever referred to myself as deaf.

>

> Good subject. I'm happy to see all the posts.

>

> Judy in Jax, FL

>

> -- In <mailto:%40>,

> Ci92000@... wrote:

> >

> > When I am introducing myself to someone on a friendly basis then I

> use the

> > term hearing impaired mostly because I like the way it sounds better

> than hard

> > of hearing. Or maybe I just say I don't hear too well. I could care

> less

> > how I say it actually.

> >

> > But when I am introducing myself to someone in a working

> relationship then I

> > say that I have a hearing disability. That way people know not to

> mess with

> > me in that area!

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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Hi Carol,

guess you don't like being referred to as a HOH!! Someone somewhere

is spending a LOT of time trying to think of what is " politically

correct " . Reminds me of the Indians.

All the Indians I know, and there are quite a few of various tribal

origins, refer to themselves as Indians. They do not call themselves

Native Americans. Some white person decided " native Americans " was more

politically correct. But to be perfectly honest about it, ANYONE born in

North or South, or even Central America is a Native of American, and thus

a " native American " Indian refers to the tribal groups, like the Lakota,

Dineh, Seminole, etc.

I figure whatever a group calls themselves is what they like to be

called. Some people like to be called African Americans, some like

Black, some like " persons of color " . Whatever you want to be called,

I'll call you. You can call me anything, but don't call me late to

dinner!

,

I too like hearing impaired rather than hard of hearing which always

seemed to have the implication of being old

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I agree about the comfort thing and I have a great example. Last nite we had a

live band in my town, people tend to stare. Well my big sister will tell it like

it is and said I'm deaf and have ci's well most people would not speak to me and

the others walked away so I came up with something funny I can use, " to be deaf

or not to be deaf that isn't a question its my reality! " oh well have a great

day all.

--- Original Message ---

From: " Nina " <cipalm@...>

Sent:Thu 6/26/08 4:36 am

To:< >

Subj:Re: Hogwash

I'm going to say something here that I'll probably get blasted for but I

really don't care. I agree too, 100%, who cares what's P.C. I get really

tired of the whole P.C. thing. I don't call myself " deaf " to offend

anybody, I'm just stating a fact. And if someone doesn't like phooey on

them. If I can't hear someone, especially when I'm " out of my comfort zone "

I get tired of explaining my whole situation. It's easier for me to say I'm

deaf, I lost my hearing a year ago, I use an implant to hear with, it's not

always the best, so I'll need to also read your lips. It's all factual.

Just like it's a fact that I'm Japanese, and everyone wants to call me

Asian. Asia a huge continent, sure, my ancestors might be from Asia, but

what part?? I'm sorry if the Deaf community is offended that I use " their "

term to describe myself, there's no law against it. If someone wants to

take me to court over it, then so be it. All this talk about what's P.C. is

making me feel like I just need to leave this board and find a new one.

Again, JMHO.

Nina

Hogwash

> Amen ! lol I agree 100%. Why care what is " politically

> correct " ?

> Whatever feels right for you to say should be the right thing for you to

> say.

> I say I'm deaf (which I am without my CI). Oh....and , I still say

> MERRY CHRISTMAS (and always will for as long as I live). If it isn't

> " politically correct " to do so, then tough cookies. Happy Holidays

> covers

> Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years but, I've grown to detest the term

> because it is

> being shoved down our throats to use it. Baloney! By the way...have you

> noticed that few people know that when the National Anthem is played that

> you

> are supposed to stand and put your right hand over your heart throughout

> the

> song? Also, suppose to remove your hat. How many do that anymore? Do

> they

> not teach this in schools anymore? If the answer is no......then again,

> the

> " politically correct " thing has gone to the toilet.

> Evon

>

>

>

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I'm going to say something here that I'll probably get blasted for but I

really don't care. I agree too, 100%, who cares what's P.C. I get really

tired of the whole P.C. thing. I don't call myself " deaf " to offend

anybody, I'm just stating a fact. And if someone doesn't like phooey on

them. If I can't hear someone, especially when I'm " out of my comfort zone "

I get tired of explaining my whole situation. It's easier for me to say I'm

deaf, I lost my hearing a year ago, I use an implant to hear with, it's not

always the best, so I'll need to also read your lips. It's all factual.

Just like it's a fact that I'm Japanese, and everyone wants to call me

Asian. Asia a huge continent, sure, my ancestors might be from Asia, but

what part?? I'm sorry if the Deaf community is offended that I use " their "

term to describe myself, there's no law against it. If someone wants to

take me to court over it, then so be it. All this talk about what's P.C. is

making me feel like I just need to leave this board and find a new one.

Again, JMHO.

Nina

Hogwash

> Amen ! lol I agree 100%. Why care what is " politically

> correct " ?

> Whatever feels right for you to say should be the right thing for you to

> say.

> I say I'm deaf (which I am without my CI). Oh....and , I still say

> MERRY CHRISTMAS (and always will for as long as I live). If it isn't

> " politically correct " to do so, then tough cookies. Happy Holidays

> covers

> Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years but, I've grown to detest the term

> because it is

> being shoved down our throats to use it. Baloney! By the way...have you

> noticed that few people know that when the National Anthem is played that

> you

> are supposed to stand and put your right hand over your heart throughout

> the

> song? Also, suppose to remove your hat. How many do that anymore? Do

> they

> not teach this in schools anymore? If the answer is no......then again,

> the

> " politically correct " thing has gone to the toilet.

> Evon

>

>

>

> **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for

> fuel-efficient used cars.

> (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

>

>

>

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Well said Nina. I agree 100%.

This PC stuff is out of control especially when it comes to describing oneself.

I'm deaf, hearing impaired, hard of hearing and whatever else you want to call

it. The fact is my ears do not function correctly. Period.

I've worn hearing aids since I was 4. I'm hoping to have a CI done in my left

ear sometime this year.

Larry

---- Nina <cipalm@...> wrote:

> I'm going to say something here that I'll probably get blasted for but I

> really don't care. I agree too, 100%, who cares what's P.C. I get really

> tired of the whole P.C. thing. I don't call myself " deaf " to offend

> anybody, I'm just stating a fact. And if someone doesn't like phooey on

> them. If I can't hear someone, especially when I'm " out of my comfort zone "

> I get tired of explaining my whole situation. It's easier for me to say I'm

> deaf, I lost my hearing a year ago, I use an implant to hear with, it's not

> always the best, so I'll need to also read your lips. It's all factual.

> Just like it's a fact that I'm Japanese, and everyone wants to call me

> Asian. Asia a huge continent, sure, my ancestors might be from Asia, but

> what part?? I'm sorry if the Deaf community is offended that I use " their "

> term to describe myself, there's no law against it. If someone wants to

> take me to court over it, then so be it. All this talk about what's P.C. is

> making me feel like I just need to leave this board and find a new one.

>

> Again, JMHO.

>

> Nina

>

> Hogwash

>

>

> > Amen ! lol I agree 100%. Why care what is " politically

> > correct " ?

> > Whatever feels right for you to say should be the right thing for you to

> > say.

> > I say I'm deaf (which I am without my CI). Oh....and , I still say

> > MERRY CHRISTMAS (and always will for as long as I live). If it isn't

> > " politically correct " to do so, then tough cookies. Happy Holidays

> > covers

> > Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years but, I've grown to detest the term

> > because it is

> > being shoved down our throats to use it. Baloney! By the way...have you

> > noticed that few people know that when the National Anthem is played that

> > you

> > are supposed to stand and put your right hand over your heart throughout

> > the

> > song? Also, suppose to remove your hat. How many do that anymore? Do

> > they

> > not teach this in schools anymore? If the answer is no......then again,

> > the

> > " politically correct " thing has gone to the toilet.

> > Evon

> >

> >

> >

> > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for

> > fuel-efficient used cars.

> > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

> >

> >

> >

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Thanks Larry! And I hope that you get your CI in your left ear! That would

be wonderful!!

Nina

Hogwash

>>

>>

>> > Amen ! lol I agree 100%. Why care what is " politically

>> > correct " ?

>> > Whatever feels right for you to say should be the right thing for you

>> > to

>> > say.

>> > I say I'm deaf (which I am without my CI). Oh....and , I still

>> > say

>> > MERRY CHRISTMAS (and always will for as long as I live). If it isn't

>> > " politically correct " to do so, then tough cookies. Happy Holidays

>> > covers

>> > Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years but, I've grown to detest the

>> > term

>> > because it is

>> > being shoved down our throats to use it. Baloney! By the way...have

>> > you

>> > noticed that few people know that when the National Anthem is played

>> > that

>> > you

>> > are supposed to stand and put your right hand over your heart

>> > throughout

>> > the

>> > song? Also, suppose to remove your hat. How many do that anymore?

>> > Do

>> > they

>> > not teach this in schools anymore? If the answer is no......then

>> > again,

>> > the

>> > " politically correct " thing has gone to the toilet.

>> > Evon

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for

>> > fuel-efficient used cars.

>> > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

>> >

>> >

>> >

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Nina,

Dont leave. You will find similar opinions no matter where you go.

What most people are forgetting is, we are not by nature, political

beings. That is all contrived nonsense that only divides people, rather

than bring them together. Who gives a flip what color we are, what religion

we practice, what part of the world we are from. what limitations we may

have, and so on. We're individuals. All with one thing in common. We are

human beings.

I am deaf, hearing impaired, hard of hearing, who really cares. Some

people may be into taking opportunities to educate others. On the other

hand, some, like me, or Nina, would much rather go on about our lives just

like everyone else.

If calling myself deaf offends someone, tough. If saying Merry

Christmas offends someone, again, tough. I am not going to lvie my life on

the premise that at any moment, something I *may* say *may* offend someone.

I find it interesting that some people put so much energy into being

*ccorect* that I wonder if they ever let their hair down. ;)

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Good deal, .

 

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Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 2:37 PM

Nina,

Dont leave. You will find similar opinions no matter where you go.

What most people are forgetting is, we are not by nature, political

beings. That is all contrived nonsense that only divides people, rather

than bring them together. Who gives a flip what color we are, what religion

we practice, what part of the world we are from. what limitations we may

have, and so on. We're individuals. All with one thing in common. We are

human beings.

I am deaf, hearing impaired, hard of hearing, who really cares. Some

people may be into taking opportunities to educate others. On the other

hand, some, like me, or Nina, would much rather go on about our lives just

like everyone else.

If calling myself deaf offends someone, tough. If saying Merry

Christmas offends someone, again, tough. I am not going to lvie my life on

the premise that at any moment, something I *may* say *may* offend someone.

I find it interesting that some people put so much energy into being

*ccorect* that I wonder if they ever let their hair down. ;)

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Thanks , I just felt like the thread was getting beaten down, and that

some opinions were being presented as factual. And while some might be

factual, I'm like you, I'm so tired of the P.C. thing it just makes me

scream. I'm tired of people telling me what I should call myself in regards

to my hearing and my ethnic background. I, too say Merry Christmas and if

someone is offended, I just don't care. But don't ever try to tell me what

I should and should call myself. Webster's definition of deaf is 1 :

lacking or deficient in the sense of hearing . So if someone in the Deaf

community is offended, oh well, they DO NOT own the word. I'm not trying to

be insensitive to anyone, I love all people regardless.

Nina

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> Nina,

> Dont leave. You will find similar opinions no matter where you go.

>

> What most people are forgetting is, we are not by nature, political

> beings. That is all contrived nonsense that only divides people, rather

> than bring them together. Who gives a flip what color we are, what

> religion

> we practice, what part of the world we are from. what limitations we may

> have, and so on. We're individuals. All with one thing in common. We

> are

> human beings.

>

> I am deaf, hearing impaired, hard of hearing, who really cares. Some

> people may be into taking opportunities to educate others. On the other

> hand, some, like me, or Nina, would much rather go on about our lives just

> like everyone else.

>

> If calling myself deaf offends someone, tough. If saying Merry

> Christmas offends someone, again, tough. I am not going to lvie my life

> on

> the premise that at any moment, something I *may* say *may* offend

> someone.

>

> I find it interesting that some people put so much energy into being

> *ccorect* that I wonder if they ever let their hair down. ;)

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Hey Nina,

Don't leave. I would suggest that if a thread seems to get under your skin,

just stop reviewing that particular thread. I have done that in some cases

because sometimes, it's just not worth my precious time toward reading some

of it. Just my two cents. : -) I'm sure you have a lot of good advice or

valuable information you can share with others when the need arises.

Take care!

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Thanks , and great advice.

Nina

RE: Hogwash

> Hey Nina,

>

> Don't leave. I would suggest that if a thread seems to get under your

> skin,

> just stop reviewing that particular thread. I have done that in some

> cases

> because sometimes, it's just not worth my precious time toward reading

> some

> of it. Just my two cents. : -) I'm sure you have a lot of good advice or

> valuable information you can share with others when the need arises.

>

>

>

> Take care!

>

>

>

>

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