Re: Pam, where are you?

[Guest guest]

Pam,

I am so glad you are feeling good. I am sorry to hear about the problems in your marriage. I dont have a very supportive husband either, he is a very selfish person and doesnt really care too much about me. He really never understood my illness and how I couldnt do the things I once did. He is hardly ever home, thank God I have my parents living next door! I always tell him he is going to be sorry when and if I get better! I never use to put up with his crap before but the past year I have been so down and out. I just wanted to fill you in a little so you know you arent alone! Well I am here for you anytime you want to talk.

Barbara

[Guest guest]

--- Yes, I am praying for you Pam, how are you? Ive been thinking

about you as well. post a message! I miss you! God bless, Iggy

In , " Dave & Patty " <fdp3@c...> wrote:

> Pam girl,

> You've become so quiet! What's going on with you? Are you feeling

okay? I just went to our database to see when you were explanted,

but you are not on there....and I can't remember when your explant

was...I'm thinking maybe 6 weeks ago....that's why I am wondering

about you!

> Patty

[Guest guest]

Hey everyone. I'm glad someone misses me! I've had a house full of

company and I haven't been on the computer for a while. I'm feeling

pretty good. I definitely have more energy than I did before

explant. The pain was improving so my doctor had me wean down off of

the pain meds, but then I started having a lot of pain and not being

able to sleep. I think I need to stay on pain meds for a little

while longer. At least until I can sleep through the night without

waking up from pain. I'm not discouraged in any way though. I'm so

glad that I have energy again. It's a good feeling. Now I can walk

up a flight of steps without having to crawl! Seriously, I used to

not be able to make it up the steps without crawling. Now I can go

up and down several times a day even! Patty, I didn't know there was

a place in the database to put implant/explant dates. I just went in

and put my dates. Tomorrow will be 1 month since explant. I'm so

glad it's over and done with. Iggy, I know you can't wait. It'll be

here before you know it.

Another reason I haven't written in a while is I've been trying to

get the word out to other women like us. I've gone on a legal

website under Product Liability and found 20 or so women and I've

been e-mailing them 1 at a time. I want to get moving with a class-

action suit. I think that if we file suit one at a time, nobody is

going to take us seriously. Sawyer thinks she's got the best firm

and the best state to file in and since she's a lawyer, I think she

must know more about it than I do! I know we have a case and I know

it will be years before anything happens, so we better get on it

while we're young!

Also...I'm really having trouble in my marriage. My husband

basically hasn't spoken to me since before I set up the appt. to be

explanted. I haven't spoken to him either. When I tried to talk to

him about getting them out, he ignored me. I tried 2 more times and

he just grunted at me. That's when I went ahead and set up the appt

and took money out of my IRA. I had to e-mail him at work to give

him all the details. Then he called me and told me he was going to

pay for the surgery with the money (6,200) from selling our

motorcycle. He sold it several weeks before I made the appt. and

never once offered to pay for the surgery. Even though half of it

should have been mine anyways. Then he asked if I could send the IRA

money back and I told him I couldn't. So he offered to pay for the

rental car, hotel and food. Whoopee! A big 1,500. I paid 5,700 for

surgery, 600 for blood work and I don't know how much yet for Dr.

Blais report. I also spent 1,000 on Christmas and had put 2,000 on

my credit card over the last few months for medical bills and

prescriptions. I took 10,000 from my IRA and paid 1,500 in

penalties. He knows I can't work and the only income I have is child

support for my 2 older kids and I get a little girl off the bus in

the afternoon for $45 a week! I'm watching my grandson now too for

$65 a week. I don't think I can go back to a full time job until the

pain is resolved and my brain fog goes away. I still feel like an

idiot most of the time but not as much as I did.

I'm seriously thinking of separating from my husband. I know that's

not the Christian thing to do, but I'm a Christian, he's not. He

won't go to church with me and he won't allow me to make my kids go.

If they say they don't want to go, they don't go. You know how kids

are, now they never go. He is so moody and crappy to everyone all

the time. He's not been happy with me ever since I gave my heart to

the Lord 8 years ago. I've never pressured him and I don't listen to

Christian music when he's around or talk about God because I don't

want him to feel uncomfortable. But, I'm tired of being a closet

Christian in my own home. I want to be free to read my bible at the

kitchen table and to listen to Christian music in my house. Anyone

going through similar situation?

Wow, sorry for rambling. I guess I'm making up for not talking to

anyone for a while! I'm going to stop now....

Pam

> > Pam girl,

> > You've become so quiet! What's going on with you? Are you

feeling

> okay? I just went to our database to see when you were explanted,

> but you are not on there....and I can't remember when your explant

> was...I'm thinking maybe 6 weeks ago....that's why I am wondering

> about you!

> > Patty

[Guest guest]

Pam,

I'm so glad to hear you are improving steadily! . . . I just wish your marriage was responding as well . . . My suggestion is to make your plans and bide your time. The Lord is looking out for you! You'll know when it's time to make a break, if necessary.

I have a hunch the ole grouch will do a turnabout . . . but it will be too late!

Right now it's time to nuture your body and soul while you Heal!

Hugs and prayers,

RogenePam <nannapam37@...> wrote:

Hey everyone. I'm glad someone misses me! I've had a house full of company and I haven't been on the computer for a while. I'm feeling pretty good. I definitely have more energy than I did before explant. The pain was improving so my doctor had me wean down off of the pain meds, but then I started having a lot of pain and not being able to sleep. I think I need to stay on pain meds for a little while longer. At least until I can sleep through the night without waking up from pain. I'm not discouraged in any way though. I'm so glad that I have energy again. It's a good feeling. Now I can walk up a flight of steps without having to crawl! Seriously, I used to not be able to make it up the steps without crawling. Now I can go up and down several times a day

even! Patty, I didn't know there was a place in the database to put implant/explant dates. I just went in and put my dates. Tomorrow will be 1 month since explant. I'm so glad it's over and done with. Iggy, I know you can't wait. It'll be here before you know it.Another reason I haven't written in a while is I've been trying to get the word out to other women like us. I've gone on a legal website under Product Liability and found 20 or so women and I've been e-mailing them 1 at a time. I want to get moving with a class-action suit. I think that if we file suit one at a time, nobody is going to take us seriously. Sawyer thinks she's got the best firm and the best state to file in and since she's a lawyer, I think she must know more about it than I do! I know we have a case and I know it will be years before anything happens, so we better get on it while we're

young!Also...I'm really having trouble in my marriage. My husband basically hasn't spoken to me since before I set up the appt. to be explanted. I haven't spoken to him either. When I tried to talk to him about getting them out, he ignored me. I tried 2 more times and he just grunted at me. That's when I went ahead and set up the appt and took money out of my IRA. I had to e-mail him at work to give him all the details. Then he called me and told me he was going to pay for the surgery with the money (6,200) from selling our motorcycle. He sold it several weeks before I made the appt. and never once offered to pay for the surgery. Even though half of it should have been mine anyways. Then he asked if I could send the IRA money back and I told him I couldn't. So he offered to pay for the rental car, hotel and food. Whoopee! A big 1,500. I paid

5,700 for surgery, 600 for blood work and I don't know how much yet for Dr. Blais report. I also spent 1,000 on Christmas and had put 2,000 on my credit card over the last few months for medical bills and prescriptions. I took 10,000 from my IRA and paid 1,500 in penalties. He knows I can't work and the only income I have is child support for my 2 older kids and I get a little girl off the bus in the afternoon for $45 a week! I'm watching my grandson now too for $65 a week. I don't think I can go back to a full time job until the pain is resolved and my brain fog goes away. I still feel like an idiot most of the time but not as much as I did. I'm seriously thinking of separating from my husband. I know that's not the Christian thing to do, but I'm a Christian, he's not. He won't go to church with me and he won't allow me to make my kids go. If they say they don't

want to go, they don't go. You know how kids are, now they never go. He is so moody and crappy to everyone all the time. He's not been happy with me ever since I gave my heart to the Lord 8 years ago. I've never pressured him and I don't listen to Christian music when he's around or talk about God because I don't want him to feel uncomfortable. But, I'm tired of being a closet Christian in my own home. I want to be free to read my bible at the kitchen table and to listen to Christian music in my house. Anyone going through similar situation?Wow, sorry for rambling. I guess I'm making up for not talking to anyone for a while! I'm going to stop now....Pam > > Pam girl,> > You've become so quiet! What's going on with you? Are you feeling > okay? I just went to our database to see when you were explanted, > but you are not on there....and I can't remember when your explant > was...I'm thinking maybe 6 weeks ago....that's why I am wondering > about you!> > Patty

[Guest guest]

--- Pam, Im so happy to hear about your health and energy... I know

we didnt get sick overnight, so we cant heal overnight. about your

family issues w/your husband, this is putting so much strain on you

Pam... You both need to sit down and be very much to the issue of

what is going on... He does need to start helping or supporting

you. Pray for this openness to occur Pam. Do you both still love

each other? have you asked him? Im sorry I hope Im not stepping

over any boundries.... I just am so worried about you, you do not

deserve to live like that. Pray for a revelation, and a change,

whatever you and the Lord want, He will make it happen. Let the Lord

be in charge Pam, just as you are doing... Be strong, my sis told me

once and ill never forget it, " Its always darkest before the dawn. "

This is so true, just when we cant bear much more, the sun comes up

and out, and the old night of darkness and fear is gone... Pam I will

pray for you and your family, and your husband to have his eyes

opened to the Lord.... God heals, he loves and he will heal, and

bring peace soon... LOve and Lord's blessings to you and your

family, Iggy

In , " Pam " <nannapam37@y...> wrote:

> Hey everyone. I'm glad someone misses me! I've had a house full

of

> company and I haven't been on the computer for a while. I'm

feeling

> pretty good. I definitely have more energy than I did before

> explant. The pain was improving so my doctor had me wean down off

of

> the pain meds, but then I started having a lot of pain and not

being

> able to sleep. I think I need to stay on pain meds for a little

> while longer. At least until I can sleep through the night without

> waking up from pain. I'm not discouraged in any way though. I'm

so

> glad that I have energy again. It's a good feeling. Now I can

walk

> up a flight of steps without having to crawl! Seriously, I used to

> not be able to make it up the steps without crawling. Now I can go

> up and down several times a day even! Patty, I didn't know there

was

> a place in the database to put implant/explant dates. I just went

in

> and put my dates. Tomorrow will be 1 month since explant. I'm so

> glad it's over and done with. Iggy, I know you can't wait. It'll

be

> here before you know it.

>

> Another reason I haven't written in a while is I've been trying to

> get the word out to other women like us. I've gone on a legal

> website under Product Liability and found 20 or so women and I've

> been e-mailing them 1 at a time. I want to get moving with a class-

> action suit. I think that if we file suit one at a time, nobody is

> going to take us seriously. Sawyer thinks she's got the best firm

> and the best state to file in and since she's a lawyer, I think she

> must know more about it than I do! I know we have a case and I know

> it will be years before anything happens, so we better get on it

> while we're young!

>

> Also...I'm really having trouble in my marriage. My husband

> basically hasn't spoken to me since before I set up the appt. to be

> explanted. I haven't spoken to him either. When I tried to talk

to

> him about getting them out, he ignored me. I tried 2 more times

and

> he just grunted at me. That's when I went ahead and set up the

appt

> and took money out of my IRA. I had to e-mail him at work to give

> him all the details. Then he called me and told me he was going to

> pay for the surgery with the money (6,200) from selling our

> motorcycle. He sold it several weeks before I made the appt. and

> never once offered to pay for the surgery. Even though half of it

> should have been mine anyways. Then he asked if I could send the

IRA

> money back and I told him I couldn't. So he offered to pay for the

> rental car, hotel and food. Whoopee! A big 1,500. I paid 5,700

for

> surgery, 600 for blood work and I don't know how much yet for Dr.

> Blais report. I also spent 1,000 on Christmas and had put 2,000 on

> my credit card over the last few months for medical bills and

> prescriptions. I took 10,000 from my IRA and paid 1,500 in

> penalties. He knows I can't work and the only income I have is

child

> support for my 2 older kids and I get a little girl off the bus in

> the afternoon for $45 a week! I'm watching my grandson now too for

> $65 a week. I don't think I can go back to a full time job until

the

> pain is resolved and my brain fog goes away. I still feel like an

> idiot most of the time but not as much as I did.

>

> I'm seriously thinking of separating from my husband. I know

that's

> not the Christian thing to do, but I'm a Christian, he's not. He

> won't go to church with me and he won't allow me to make my kids

go.

> If they say they don't want to go, they don't go. You know how

kids

> are, now they never go. He is so moody and crappy to everyone all

> the time. He's not been happy with me ever since I gave my heart

to

> the Lord 8 years ago. I've never pressured him and I don't listen

to

> Christian music when he's around or talk about God because I don't

> want him to feel uncomfortable. But, I'm tired of being a closet

> Christian in my own home. I want to be free to read my bible at

the

> kitchen table and to listen to Christian music in my house. Anyone

> going through similar situation?

>

> Wow, sorry for rambling. I guess I'm making up for not talking to

> anyone for a while! I'm going to stop now....

>

> Pam

>

>

> > --- Yes, I am praying for you Pam, how are you? Ive been

thinking

> > about you as well. post a message! I miss you! God bless, Iggy

> > In , " Dave & Patty " <fdp3@c...>

wrote:

> > > Pam girl,

> > > You've become so quiet! What's going on with you? Are you

> feeling

> > okay? I just went to our database to see when you were

explanted,

> > but you are not on there....and I can't remember when your

explant

> > was...I'm thinking maybe 6 weeks ago....that's why I am wondering

> > about you!

> > > Patty

[Guest guest]

Thank you all so much for the prayers and advice. I wrote a huge

message earlier and lost it somewhere! Anyway, what I was saying was

that I think I might be beyond the point of no return in my

marriage. I don't feel anything towards him at all. I don't hate

him but I don't love him either. He did things over the years that

slowly changed my feelings for him. From telling me after we were

first married to have an abortion because he didn't really want kids

(even though he told me he did before we were married) and ultimately

causing me to have a miscarriage and to spend 5 years begging him for

a baby. To finding out he always made lude comments to and about

women - especially waitresses. And frequently visiting topless bars -

THE ULTIMATE INSULT TO ANY WOMAN - especially one with small saggy

breasts - but even implants didn't stop him from going!!! To having

an affair that he won't own up to, spending 2 years on the

computer " chatting " with other women and almost leaving me for one in

May 1999- until he found out she was not the slim big busted girl in

the picture she sent him - she was 300 pounds! Watching porn flicks,

looking at internet porn, and wanting me to do the things porn stars

do. Disgusting! I really feel no desire to be with him at all

anymore. If it wasn't for him telling me he didn't love me back in

May of 1999, I never would have gotten the implants. I thought that

somehow if I changed for him, he would love me again but it didn't

work. I thought that he was willing to work things out with me

because he loved me only to find out a year later that the reason he

agreed was because his internet beauty mailed him a real picture of

her. Talk about low! Then even after I got the implants and we were

supposedly working things out, he still couldn't stay away from the

internet. The only thing that stopped him was me pretending to be

one of the women he was chatting with and exposing everything he was

doing. I found out he was having women call him at work " because

we're all guys there and we don't tell " is what he told " me " . He

gave out our home phone number to countless women who would call late

at night after I was in bed even though we had sex 7-10 times a week -

no lie! He used calling cards and his business credit card to make

calls and pay for things. He probably still does something to do

with pornography and to tell you the truth, I don't care! I think I

want at least to be separated. But, what do I do about our 6 year

old? My older two will understand because they know how much of a

jerk he has been over the years not just to me but to them. I'm not

able to work a real job yet, so I don't have much income. There are

so many things to consider. We'd have to sell our house and start

over again somewhere else...Please pray for me! I don't know what to

do!!!!!!!

Pam

> > > > Pam girl,

> > > > You've become so quiet! What's going on with you? Are you

> > feeling

> > > okay? I just went to our database to see when you were

> explanted,

> > > but you are not on there....and I can't remember when your

> explant

> > > was...I'm thinking maybe 6 weeks ago....that's why I am

wondering

> > > about you!

> > > > Patty

[Guest guest]

--

Dear Pam

It is good to hear that you are still feeling pretty good! And it

also helps you to know that you definitely made the right choice

getting them. Good for you for sticking with what you knew in your

heart to be the right thing to do. Your husband sounds really

selfish and immature. Your christinity makes him more uncomfortable

with his sinful lifestyle. I am really sorry that you are having to

go through these problems. Having a supportive husband can make

life so much more bearable. It sounds like he really needs people

to pray for him. Pray that his heart will be opened to God. That

is all you can really do for your husband. And sometimes that

prayer works miracles. Pray that God will give you guidance too.

Guidance about your marriage. I think He will guide to the path He

wants you to take. I have read that praying for someone on an

unceasinging basis can help our feelings toward that person too. It

can soften the way we feel and help us deal with anger,

disappointment and the negative feelings we are bound to have. I

will keep you and your marriage and your children in my prayers.

Blessings,

kathy

- In , " Pam " <nannapam37@y...> wrote:

> Hey everyone. I'm glad someone misses me! I've had a house full

of

> company and I haven't been on the computer for a while. I'm

feeling

> pretty good. I definitely have more energy than I did before

> explant. The pain was improving so my doctor had me wean down off

of

> the pain meds, but then I started having a lot of pain and not

being

> able to sleep. I think I need to stay on pain meds for a little

> while longer. At least until I can sleep through the night

without

> waking up from pain. I'm not discouraged in any way though. I'm

so

> glad that I have energy again. It's a good feeling. Now I can

walk

> up a flight of steps without having to crawl! Seriously, I used

to

> not be able to make it up the steps without crawling. Now I can

go

> up and down several times a day even! Patty, I didn't know there

was

> a place in the database to put implant/explant dates. I just went

in

> and put my dates. Tomorrow will be 1 month since explant. I'm so

> glad it's over and done with. Iggy, I know you can't wait. It'll

be

> here before you know it.

>

> Another reason I haven't written in a while is I've been trying to

> get the word out to other women like us. I've gone on a legal

> website under Product Liability and found 20 or so women and I've

> been e-mailing them 1 at a time. I want to get moving with a

class-

> action suit. I think that if we file suit one at a time, nobody

is

> going to take us seriously. Sawyer thinks she's got the best firm

> and the best state to file in and since she's a lawyer, I think

she

> must know more about it than I do! I know we have a case and I

know

> it will be years before anything happens, so we better get on it

> while we're young!

>

> Also...I'm really having trouble in my marriage. My husband

> basically hasn't spoken to me since before I set up the appt. to

be

> explanted. I haven't spoken to him either. When I tried to talk

to

> him about getting them out, he ignored me. I tried 2 more times

and

> he just grunted at me. That's when I went ahead and set up the

appt

> and took money out of my IRA. I had to e-mail him at work to give

> him all the details. Then he called me and told me he was going

to

> pay for the surgery with the money (6,200) from selling our

> motorcycle. He sold it several weeks before I made the appt. and

> never once offered to pay for the surgery. Even though half of it

> should have been mine anyways. Then he asked if I could send the

IRA

> money back and I told him I couldn't. So he offered to pay for

the

> rental car, hotel and food. Whoopee! A big 1,500. I paid 5,700

for

> surgery, 600 for blood work and I don't know how much yet for Dr.

> Blais report. I also spent 1,000 on Christmas and had put 2,000

on

> my credit card over the last few months for medical bills and

> prescriptions. I took 10,000 from my IRA and paid 1,500 in

> penalties. He knows I can't work and the only income I have is

child

> support for my 2 older kids and I get a little girl off the bus in

> the afternoon for $45 a week! I'm watching my grandson now too

for

> $65 a week. I don't think I can go back to a full time job until

the

> pain is resolved and my brain fog goes away. I still feel like an

> idiot most of the time but not as much as I did.

>

> I'm seriously thinking of separating from my husband. I know

that's

> not the Christian thing to do, but I'm a Christian, he's not. He

> won't go to church with me and he won't allow me to make my kids

go.

> If they say they don't want to go, they don't go. You know how

kids

> are, now they never go. He is so moody and crappy to everyone all

> the time. He's not been happy with me ever since I gave my heart

to

> the Lord 8 years ago. I've never pressured him and I don't listen

to

> Christian music when he's around or talk about God because I don't

> want him to feel uncomfortable. But, I'm tired of being a closet

> Christian in my own home. I want to be free to read my bible at

the

> kitchen table and to listen to Christian music in my house.

Anyone

> going through similar situation?

>

> Wow, sorry for rambling. I guess I'm making up for not talking to

> anyone for a while! I'm going to stop now....

>

> Pam

>

>

> > --- Yes, I am praying for you Pam, how are you? Ive been

thinking

> > about you as well. post a message! I miss you! God bless, Iggy

> > In , " Dave & Patty " <fdp3@c...>

wrote:

> > > Pam girl,

> > > You've become so quiet! What's going on with you? Are you

> feeling

> > okay? I just went to our database to see when you were

explanted,

> > but you are not on there....and I can't remember when your

explant

> > was...I'm thinking maybe 6 weeks ago....that's why I am

wondering

> > about you!

> > > Patty

[Guest guest]

Pam, its good to hear you are slowly feeling better. I hold you in my prayers when it comes to your marriage. I hope that the hard decision you make will be best for you. It must be so hard dealing with this right now! Hang in there

(Gotta make it short, I'm so sick right now with the flu thing my hubby and son got! Caught up with me.. Arg!) Love ----- Original Message -----

From: Rogene S

Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 7:14 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Pam, where are you?

Pam,

I'm so glad to hear you are improving steadily! . . . I just wish your marriage was responding as well . . . My suggestion is to make your plans and bide your time. The Lord is looking out for you! You'll know when it's time to make a break, if necessary.

I have a hunch the ole grouch will do a turnabout . . . but it will be too late!

Right now it's time to nuture your body and soul while you Heal!

Hugs and prayers,

RogenePam <nannapam37@...> wrote:

Hey everyone. I'm glad someone misses me! I've had a house full of company and I haven't been on the computer for a while. I'm feeling pretty good. I definitely have more energy than I did before explant. The pain was improving so my doctor had me wean down off of the pain meds, but then I started having a lot of pain and not being able to sleep. I think I need to stay on pain meds for a little while longer. At least until I can sleep through the night without waking up from pain. I'm not discouraged in any way though. I'm so glad that I have energy again. It's a good feeling. Now I can walk up a flight of steps without having to crawl! Seriously, I used to not be able to make it up the steps without crawling. Now I can go up and down several times a day even! Patty, I didn't know there was a place in the database to put implant/explant dates. I just went in and put my dates. Tomorrow will be 1 month since explant. I'm so glad it's over and done with. Iggy, I know you can't wait. It'll be here before you know it.Another reason I haven't written in a while is I've been trying to get the word out to other women like us. I've gone on a legal website under Product Liability and found 20 or so women and I've been e-mailing them 1 at a time. I want to get moving with a class-action suit. I think that if we file suit one at a time, nobody is going to take us seriously. Sawyer thinks she's got the best firm and the best state to file in and since she's a lawyer, I think she must know more about it than I do! I know we have a case and I know it will be years before anything happens, so we better get on it while we're young!Also...I'm really having trouble in my marriage. My husband basically hasn't spoken to me since before I set up the appt. to be explanted. I haven't spoken to him either. When I tried to talk to him about getting them out, he ignored me. I tried 2 more times and he just grunted at me. That's when I went ahead and set up the appt and took money out of my IRA. I had to e-mail him at work to give him all the details. Then he called me and told me he was going to pay for the surgery with the money (6,200) from selling our motorcycle. He sold it several weeks before I made the appt. and never once offered to pay for the surgery. Even though half of it should have been mine anyways. Then he asked if I could send the IRA money back and I told him I couldn't. So he offered to pay for the rental car, hotel and food. Whoopee! A big 1,500. I paid 5,700 for surgery, 600 for blood work and I don't know how much yet for Dr. Blais report. I also spent 1,000 on Christmas and had put 2,000 on my credit card over the last few months for medical bills and prescriptions. I took 10,000 from my IRA and paid 1,500 in penalties. He knows I can't work and the only income I have is child support for my 2 older kids and I get a little girl off the bus in the afternoon for $45 a week! I'm watching my grandson now too for $65 a week. I don't think I can go back to a full time job until the pain is resolved and my brain fog goes away. I still feel like an idiot most of the time but not as much as I did. I'm seriously thinking of separating from my husband. I know that's not the Christian thing to do, but I'm a Christian, he's not. He won't go to church with me and he won't allow me to make my kids go. If they say they don't want to go, they don't go. You know how kids are, now they never go. He is so moody and crappy to everyone all the time. He's not been happy with me ever since I gave my heart to the Lord 8 years ago. I've never pressured him and I don't listen to Christian music when he's around or talk about God because I don't want him to feel uncomfortable. But, I'm tired of being a closet Christian in my own home. I want to be free to read my bible at the kitchen table and to listen to Christian music in my house. Anyone going through similar situation?Wow, sorry for rambling. I guess I'm making up for not talking to anyone for a while! I'm going to stop now....Pam > > Pam girl,> > You've become so quiet! What's going on with you? Are you feeling > okay? I just went to our database to see when you were explanted, > but you are not on there....and I can't remember when your explant > was...I'm thinking maybe 6 weeks ago....that's why I am wondering > about you!> > Patty

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, yuck...the flu? We all had the stomach virus here - everyone

within a 24 hour period got it. It was awful! I hope we don't get

the one with the sore throat/cough. I hope you feel better soon!

Pam

> > --- Yes, I am praying for you Pam, how are you? Ive been

thinking

> > about you as well. post a message! I miss you! God bless,

Iggy

> > In , " Dave & Patty " <fdp3@c...>

wrote:

> > > Pam girl,

> > > You've become so quiet! What's going on with you? Are you

> feeling

> > okay? I just went to our database to see when you were

explanted,

> > but you are not on there....and I can't remember when your

explant

> > was...I'm thinking maybe 6 weeks ago....that's why I am

wondering

> > about you!

> > > Patty

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wow! I can't believe you went on the four day fast! the furtherest

I ever got was 2 and 1/2 days and I thought I was going to starve if

I didn't eat. I did the sonne detox program. But I didn't do the

enema part of it. I was kind of chicken. Was yours a straight fast

or did you supplement? I am thinking of doing another and using

Perfect Food by Garden of Life. And the bentonite. We'll see.

Sorry to hear your husband got so sick again. Is that abscess going

down. I will be saying prayers for him.

kathy

- In , " JOSEPH PALANCA "

<juliejp61@m...> wrote:

> Kathy, I am better, I went on 4 day fast, and feel like a new

woman. That cough thing was terrible. I was coughing up stuff I have

never seen before ever! Tyler is better, but my Hubby got sick

again, had to take him to the emergency room as his throat was huge

and couldn't talk...now he has an infected absess on the tonsil

gland, (most likely from never fighting off the infection in the 1st

place) and if it doesn't go down with treatment (lots of

antibiotics- and of course tons of probiotics and garlic from me

now!) by Mon, they will have to drain it. I read a lot on it, and

absesses can be very dangerous if it drains on its own. Full of

infection, pus, toxins and all sorts of junk. So we will see. It

hasn't been fun at all! I pray and hope your daughter is better

Kathy, how is she? ----- Original Message -----

> From: mikat828

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> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 5:53 PM

> Subject: Re: Pam, where are you?

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> Dear julie

> Sounds like you have been having a less than exuberant holiday

> season also! Are your husband and son better? Are you feeling

any

> better? I will keep you in my prayers. Hang in there!

> blessings, kathy

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> - In , " Dave & Patty " <fdp3@c...>

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> > I am so sorry to hear you are sick! That bug going around is

very

> nasty, at least the one that is here out West is...I finally

> succumbed too. My in-laws in Mesa, AZ were sick, so apparently

we

> brought it home with us. My husband was the first to show

signs,

> (sore throat and cough), me next, and now my daughter. I have

not

> had a cold in ages and ages--my 17 year old son said this was

the

> first time he has seen me sick! (With my implant illness, I've

> always looked and sounded fine, ya know?)

> >

> > I hope it doesn't keep you down too long! I heard this bug

hangs

> on for 3 weeks. How long were your hubby and son sick?

> > Patty

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: JOSEPH PALANCA

> >

> > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 7:19 AM

> > Subject: Re: Re: Pam, where are you?

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> > Pam, its good to hear you are slowly feeling better. I hold

you

> in my prayers when it comes to your marriage. I hope that the

hard

> decision you make will be best for you. It must be so hard

dealing

> with this right now! Hang in there

> > (Gotta make it short, I'm so sick right now with the flu

thing

> my hubby and son got! Caught up with me.. Arg!) Love -----

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thanks for the info! Did you do enemas with the master cleanse

also? I didn't do that last time even though sonne cleanses

recommend it. I hate enemas. I am still trying to decide if they

are really necessary with colon cleanses or fasts. Any input from

others on this? Also the kidney cleanse just affects your kidneys?

I mean is the effect to just make you urinate more? When you said

interesting stuff---did you mean the stuff you took or what was

eliminated?

I am so glad to hear joe is doing better! My daugher is back at

school and I know that God really helped me. I had been praying for

weeks, but nothing was improving. Then on monday she could barely

get out of bed she was so tired and her heart was beating like

120bpm most of the day. I was very worried and had no peace. Then

I happened to pick up a letter from Wilkerson of the Times

Square Ministry in Ny. I support it. The letter at the end

mentioned that there was a word out there for someone who needed it

and directed whoever to several psalms. The first one, psalm 91 was

what I knew I was led to read. I went out to the natural food

grocery store and prayed on the way there that God would just show

me what to get that would help her. I immediately got vitamin b 12

liquid, co-Q 10 (100 mg) and elderberry extract (a viral remedy) I

came home, woke her up and gave it to her. The next day she went

off to school. She called at noon and I panicked that she wasn't

feeling well and wanted me to pick her up. No, she wanted to know

if she could have a friend over after school. She said she wasn't

tired at all and felt better. Just like that. And I had such a

peace about it that nite that I knew it was God's leading! So

thanks to all of you that said prayers!

kathy

-- In , " JOSEPH PALANCA "

<juliejp61@m...> wrote:

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