Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Hi Mike, I have Tomatis European type CD's for use with tinnitus for home use with all the instructions. I have worked with people throughout the USA with these CD's. If you are interested in this approach, contact me for more info. L. divya4753@... In , " Hugo Azzolina " <azzolina_hugo_e@...> wrote: > > Try with high frequency -filtered- sounds (search for TomatisĀ“s method). > Luck, > Hugo > Tinnitus > > > > Any thoughts on getting relief for tinnitus (ringing in the ears) > > sufferers? > > Thanks, > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Jo, There is, at least for a significant percentage of tinnitus sufferers, a strong stress relationship. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see lots of beta and high beta, though whether training it down will necessarily resolve the ringing will be interesting to hear. Pete > > From: " sato3jp " <neurofeedback@...> > Date: 2006/07/02 Sun AM 09:49:09 EDT > > Subject: Tinnitus > > Dear members, > > I have just started to do a research with an otolaryngologist about > tinnitus. Today I took TLC assessment with the first subject. > I have kind of expected to see high amplitude of delta. But what I saw > today was very high hi-beta at T3. Of course I am going to train it > down to see whether it will relief the tinnitus or not. > And I am going to see the second subject next week for the assessment. > I will appreciate it very much if any of you could give me advices > about how to deal with tinnitus. And I will send you the assessment > back channel if you are interested. > > Jo Sato > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2006 Report Share Posted July 2, 2006 Hi Jo, PubMed has a few abstracts on tinnitus. I worked with one woman (aged 45) last year who had tinnitus subsequent to a sudden unexplained hearing loss in one ear. She also had very high beta and high beta amplitudes at the temporals. The first attempt was getting her to increase alpha (as indicated in the German study) and she reported feeling greater anxiety. I tried training beta and high beta down (referential montages) which she did not like the feel of, either. I ended up with T3-T4 (sequential montage) wideband inhibits, reinforcing 8-11 (which seemed the most comfortable for her although she had a hard time feeling a difference). With that she experienced some decrease in the tinnitus. She said that she noticed that she was no longer worried about the tinnitus, and could " ignore " it for periods of time. She was pleased with the results when she decided to stop training. This would go along with what I read that a piece of tinnitus could be enhanced focus on the perception of sound in the ear as opposed to greater sound. Good luck and hope you are well, KIttredge On 7/2/06, Van Deusen <pvdtlc@...> wrote: Jo,There is, at least for a significant percentage of tinnitus sufferers, a strong stress relationship. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see lots of beta and high beta, though whether training it down will necessarily resolve the ringing will be interesting to hear. Pete> > From: " sato3jp " <neurofeedback@...>> Date: 2006/07/02 Sun AM 09:49:09 EDT > > Subject: Tinnitus > > Dear members,> > I have just started to do a research with an otolaryngologist about > tinnitus. Today I took TLC assessment with the first subject.> I have kind of expected to see high amplitude of delta. But what I saw > today was very high hi-beta at T3. Of course I am going to train it > down to see whether it will relief the tinnitus or not. > And I am going to see the second subject next week for the assessment. > I will appreciate it very much if any of you could give me advices > about how to deal with tinnitus. And I will send you the assessment > back channel if you are interested.> > Jo Sato > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 Hi, Do you know why zeolite would work? I have been thinking about magnets around the ear for awhile...hesitant ....afraid to make it worse but it is driving me crazy today..ringing and creaking...I may do the magets now. Thanks, In a message dated 3/16/07 3:10:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, hotmocha@... writes: > Removal of amalgams, liquid zeolite or magnetic earrings or taping > magnets behind the ears are things I've heard that work for tinnitus. > No personal experience with this though. Ginkgo is also a > possibility I saw in one of my documents. Word of warning, make sure > you use a good brand as quality varies widely. > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 , Removal of amalgams, liquid zeolite or magnetic earrings or taping magnets behind the ears are things I've heard that work for tinnitus. No personal experience with this though. Ginkgo is also a possibility I saw in one of my documents. Word of warning, make sure you use a good brand as quality varies widely. Here's a bit from Dr. Mercola regarding mercury that explains why removal of mercury could work: Why do patients that are exposed to mercury, deposit the toxin in various areas of their body? Some deposit the mercury in their hypothalamus (and develop multiple hormone problems), or in their limbic system (depression). Others deposit it in the adrenals (fatigue), or in the long bones (osteoporosis, leukemia). Some in the pelvis (interstitial cystitis), in the autonomic and sensory ganglia (chronic pain syndromes); some in the connective tissue (scleroderma, lupus), or in the cranial nerves (tinnitus, cataracts, TMJ problems, loss of smell), or in the muscles (fibromyalgia). Hope this helps! Sharon > > I asked this once before but has anyone heard of successful treatments for > tinnitus? > > Thanks. > > (going crazy from ear ringing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 In a message dated 3/16/07 6:39:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, hotmocha@... writes: > The magnets shouldn't make it worse, at least I've never heard of > anything like that. Let us know if it works. I would place them > right behind the ear. > Hi Sharon, I have no amalgams but I have a very old root canal..I do not think that this is the problem...I could be that the tinnitus started from Zithromycin but I am not certain. It has gotten worse this week. Have you heard of magnets helping? I have used them medicinally before for myself and my dog. Best, ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 This is just an assumption but my theory is that mercury or one of the other metals that is also in amalgam fillings causes this. One of my friends had all her amalgams removed in one sitting at the Hal Huggins (biological dentist) center a few years ago and when they were done she said the noise in her head was gone. Zeolite would simply remove the metals. Of course if there are amalgams or even worse, two types of metal in the mouth, I doubt it would fix it for good. The magnets shouldn't make it worse, at least I've never heard of anything like that. Let us know if it works. I would place them right behind the ear. Sharon > > Hi, > > Do you know why zeolite would work? > > I have been thinking about magnets around the ear for awhile...hesitant > ...afraid to make it worse but it is driving me crazy today..ringing and > creaking...I may do the magets now. > > Thanks, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 One day in the year 1974 I was in the water surfing with my friends in Puerto Rico. Came out of the water with a loud noise.. did not know why and what was causing the noise. I was 17 a junior in high school. Parents took me to the doctor he find out i was deaf from the right side and the noise is Tinnitus. Grew up and fast forward to today I am 50 years old still have tinnitus and my brain is already accostmed to the noise. Implanted on the right side in April, 2007 activated in May, 2007. Finally retire the hearing aid on the left side because the benefits of the CI overlay the benefits of the HA. Univ of Miami Dr. Balkany Implanted April, 2007 Activated May 2007 Cochlear Awareness Network Advocate. <juin29@...> wrote: Having lived with Tinnitus almost all of my life and normal hearing. Did have several ear infections as a child and the normal sounds and radio over the years would mask the tinnitus. Then suddenly nine days after my third child was born, woke up and thing sounded far away and hallow like in a cave and suddenly in three hours I became totally deaf! 39 years later I got the N22 Cochlear Implant and the tinnitus was more quiet on the implanted side. Have had this N22 now for 18 years and looking forward to trying out the upgrade for our N22 Freedom. That will take time as am in the process of Cataract Surgery. I am just used to those head noises and they seem to go up and down with the weather barometer. wrote: Miracles Happen - Hearing Is Restored Miracles Happen - Hearing Is Restored Messages In This Digest (6 Messages) 1a. Re: Tinnitis From: princessbtm 1b. Re: Tinnitis From: rhonamf 1c. Tinnitis From: NanRosen@... 2a. Re: Upgrades in CI's From: deerfieldbchkuff@... 2b. Re: Upgrades in CI's From: Lehfeldt 2c. Re: Upgrades in CI's From: Virg View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: Tinnitis Posted by: " princessbtm " btm3@... princessbtm Sat Mar 8, 2008 3:15 am (PST) > > I am curious. do most people with a hearing loss have tinnitis? Do hearing > people? Congenitally deaf? Do most of you with CI still have tinnitis? > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) 1c. Tinnitis Posted by: " NanRosen@... " NanRosen@... nancrosen Sat Mar 8, 2008 9:44 am (PST) Many or most people with hearing loss have tinnitis, but not all.? I find that doctors are not sure what causes it.? I thought mine was part of my nerve deafness, but doctors said not.? When I got my CI, the CI seems to mask out the tinnitis on my right side, but the tinnitis on the lef, unimplanted side is still as loud as ever.? I don't notice it as much since the CI gives me other things to listen too? Nan Rosen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Hi Miriam, That is an awful working environment for a sound-sensitive individual to tolerate, so developing tinnitus isn't too surprising unfortunately. Based on my own experience, I would say that there IS a conection between poor thyroid function and tinnitus. I suddenly went deaf in one ear and lost a significant level of hearing in the other around 5 years ago. I wasn't particularly aware that I had tinnitus but noticed that my ability to hear fluctuates on a daily basis. Some days I am totally reliant on wearing 2 hearing aids, other days just one and on some days can get by OK without hearing aids. In March 2008 I was finally started on thyroxine after 10 years of classic hypo symptoms and blood results. My head feels a lot clearer now and I am finding I barely have to use my hearing aids! I am still as hearing impaired as I was before, it is just that I no longer have any head noise hindering my ability to hear. I only noticed this AFTER it had gone ;o) Tracey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Try typing "tinnitus hypothyroid" into Google Miriam. Also, he should try 1000mgs B12 (Solgar is the best) which he can take sublingually. got tinnitus, I told him to do that, it went. Luv - Sheila Does anyone know about the tinnitus-thyroid connection and can theyrefer me to some good sources of information please?My son has been working in a call centre where they have to useheadsets and he says it is very noisy. He's off work now withtinnitus, waiting to see an ENT specialist. He has always beenlight-sensitive and noise-sensitive and has a few other asperger-liketraits. I suspect there might be an adrenal/thyroid connectionbecause his temperature is low.Thanks,Miriam No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1710 - Release Date: 06/10/2008 09:23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Thanks for sharing your encouraging experience, and thanks to Sheila too for the tips. I am hoping his hearing problems won't be permanent. Miriam > In March 2008 I was finally started on thyroxine after 10 years of > classic hypo symptoms and blood results. My head feels a lot clearer now and I am finding I barely have to use my hearing aids! I am still as hearing impaired as I was before, it is just that I no longer have any head noise hindering my ability to hear. I only noticed this AFTER it had gone ;o) > Tracey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Miriam, it might also be worth hunting down information on employee rights. Employers operating noisy working environments have a duty to minimalise damage to their employees' health. I'm just a bit concerned that if you attribute the tinnitus to hypothyroidism straight off, it may overlook a very real contribution from the workspace noise. Ask your son to find out how many of his colleagues have developed tinnitus working there. If there are a lot of them in the same boat then clearly that issue needs adressing by the employer. Tracey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 I see the point you are making, but it is unlikely the company is breaking the law. I had to leave several jobs because I was far too cold, and none of those offices were below the legal minimum level (16 degrees C). I suspect my son is more susceptible because he suffered from noise sensitivity before he took this job. However, we are waiting to see what the ENT consultant has to say about possible causes. My son says they don't get time to chat to other people at work, so he's not in a position to know whether anyone else has had this problem unfortunately. Miriam > > Miriam, it might also be worth hunting down information on employee > rights. Employers operating noisy working environments have a duty to minimalise damage to their employees' health. > > I'm just a bit concerned that if you attribute the tinnitus to > hypothyroidism straight off, it may overlook a very real contribution from the workspace noise. Ask your son to find out how many of his colleagues have developed tinnitus working there. If there are a lot of them in the same boat then clearly that issue needs adressing by the employer. > > Tracey > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Hi Mirian, From my own son's experience working in a call centre was a most unpleasant experience. Exactly as you describe, no time to socialise and discuss anything with colleagues. Supevisors constantly monitoring, listening in to calls etc. Pressure to complete calls in a specified time without consideration of any detail. In his case the shifts were kept just short enough not to give staff proper breaks, even had to ask to leave his desk to go to the toilet. Needless to say his health and well being declined over three months, we encouraged him to leave. Although legal, (just), our experience was not a healthy working environment, even though a local council. A very pressured environment.I hope your son's employers are not as bad! M x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 You are right, the work environment does sound quite pressured, although legal. He used to have a good manager, but this person has left and gone to another company, so I think that has increased his stress levels at work. From what I have been reading, it appears stress can aggravate tinnitus. The constant ringing noise can make people prone to panic attacks. Miriam > Hi Miriam, > From my own son's experience working in a call centre was a most unpleasant experience. Exactly as you describe, no time to socialise and discuss anything with colleagues. Supervisors constantly monitoring, listening in to calls etc. Pressure to complete calls in a specified time without consideration of any detail.Ā In his case the shifts were kept just short enough not to give staff proper breaks, even had to ask to leave his desk to go to the toilet. Needless to say his health and well being declined over three months, we encouraged him to leave. Although legal, (just), our experience was not a healthy working environment, even though a local council. A very pressured environment.I hope your son's employers are not as bad! > M > x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Hi there Miriam, the light-sensitive is probably adrenal ! noise as in hearing loss is thyroid/auto-immune. being sensitive to noise,not sure-but aspergers-autism is because of the antibodies attacking while pregnant ! angel . who has two sons , one with autism and the other aspergers.also my mother had tinnatus and was auto-immune hope this helps you. ! !. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Yes, that's interesting, thank you. > > Hi there Miriam, the light-sensitive is probably adrenal ! noise as in hearing loss is thyroid/auto-immune. being sensitive to noise,not sure-but aspergers-autism is because of the antibodies attacking while pregnant ! angel . who has two sons , one with autism and the other aspergers. > also my mother had tinnatus and was auto-immune hope this helps you. ! !. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 ĆÆĀ»Āæ ItĆ¢ā¬ā¢s amazing how this groupĆ¢ā¬ā¢s postings increase our general medical knowledge and suggest possible symptom/cause/effect linkages. I had no idea what tinnitus meant so while researching the condition it dawned on me that this is possibly what I had experienced. For almost twenty years I would frequently experience a pulsatile wooshing sound in my right ear, especial when lying on my right side. Because I had experienced it for so long I never really gave it any consideration, just thought that it was normal and lived with it. In 2004 I was diagnosed with hyperthyroidism and papillary carcenoma. The right side of the thyroid had numerous large and ugly nodules. After reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinnitus that thyroid disorders could be related to tinnitus I realized that I had not experienced any wooshing sounds in my right ear since I had my thyroid removed in 2005. This makes me believe that there was a linkage. After researching tinnitus IĆ¢ā¬ā¢m amazed by the number of problems or disorders that exhibited themselves in the ears and by hearing. Thanks for the posting, -----Original Message-----From: samters [mailto:samters ]On Behalf Of CookSent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 12:35 AMsamters Subject: Tinnitus Hi I have had gromets fitted to both ears but still experience tinnitus. Has anyone ideas to improve condition Regards Cook Get the world's best email - Xtra Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 I have inter-cranial hypertension. This means that my cerebral spinal fluid does not always drain correctly. When my spinal pressure is high it causes Tinnitus. This is usually how I can tell that it is becoming a problem before I have more severe symptoms. This problem is a complication due to Pituitary Empty Sella syndrome. The ironic part of all of it is that severe sinus issues goes with these things. I always have more severe Samter's symptoms when these other problems are not managed. I wonder if Samter's influences the inter-cranial pressure and that is why so many of you have Tinnitus and headaches. It would be a very unlikely for a doctor to catch this problem unless it was severe. I can usually take Diamox for a few days and it settles everything back down which is a very simple fix. If I let it get to severe cerebral fluid sometimes drains out my nose. My doctors have never been able to link the two (or three) because they are all specialists that know nothing about the other problems. They all think it is possible to be connected but aren't going to do anything to investigate. I do not know how I can have so many things wrong between my ears and none of them be connected. I wonder how many of us have endocrine problems that have never been linked to Samter's? TianaFrom: Ekren <ekren@...>samters Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 3:44:23 PMSubject: RE: Tinnitus ĆÆĀ»Āæ ItĆ¢ā¬ā¢s amazing how this groupĆ¢ā¬ā¢s postings increase our general medical knowledge and suggest possible symptom/cause/ effect linkages. I had no idea what tinnitus meant so while researching the condition it dawned on me that this is possibly what I had experienced. For almost twenty years I would frequently experience a pulsatile wooshing sound in my right ear, especial when lying on my right side. Because I had experienced it for so long I never really gave it any consideration, just thought that it was normal and lived with it. In 2004 I was diagnosed with hyperthyroidism and papillary carcenoma. The right side of the thyroid had numerous large and ugly nodules. After reading http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Tinnitus that thyroid disorders could be related to tinnitus I realized that I had not experienced any wooshing sounds in my right ear since I had my thyroid removed in 2005. This makes me believe that there was a linkage. After researching tinnitus IĆ¢ā¬ā¢m amazed by the number of problems or disorders that exhibited themselves in the ears and by hearing. Thanks for the posting, Tinnitus Hi I have had gromets fitted to both ears but still experience tinnitus. Has anyone ideas to improve condition Regards Cook Get the world's best email - Xtra Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Oh i know the feeling i am to bilateral and i have been geting this loud pitch organ stuck note for some time now and it like starts out soft and gets much louder then fades out.Ā IĀ notice i am just mid of this head cold and that it triggered this to start up again i have had this now come and go for aĀ few years.Ā Had everything checked out at the my last audi visit and they found nothing wrong.Ā Hmmm just makes me wonder if it the head cold thatĀ triggers this to start up or just maybe loud noisy places.Ā I have gone to bed withĀ this noise also and wake up to itĀ sometimes I can block it out other times i am awake and get axiety and just have to put on my processor.Ā Know the feeling to well hope yours gets better. From: lkozlik@... <lkozlik@...> Subject: Tinnitus Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 11:54 AM Hi everyone, For the past several weeks I have been hearing what sounds to me like many people talking, but I can't understand the words. I don't know if this is tinnitus or another one of my voices. I only hear this at night when my CIs are off. Lately I've also been hearing a very high pitched tone (only at night when my CIs are off) that will not stop. It's painful to hear and gives me a headache. My CI surgeon was going to put me on Prednisone to help my tinnitus, but I refused due to the possible side effects of depression and mood swings. However, I'm strongly thinking about changing my mind because I haven't been able to get a decent night's sleep for several weeks now and I don't know how much more of this I can take. Bilateral Cochlear CIs December 2004 and February 2006 Deafblind/Postlingu al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Oh i know the feeling i am to bilateral and i have been geting this loud pitch organ stuck note for some time now and it like starts out soft and gets much louder then fades out.Ā IĀ notice i am just mid of this head cold and that it triggered this to start up again i have had this now come and go for aĀ few years.Ā Had everything checked out at the my last audi visit and they found nothing wrong.Ā Hmmm just makes me wonder if it the head cold thatĀ triggers this to start up or just maybe loud noisy places.Ā I have gone to bed withĀ this noise also and wake up to itĀ sometimes I can block it out other times i am awake and get axiety and just have to put on my processor.Ā Know the feeling to well hope yours gets better. From: lkozlik@... <lkozlik@...> Subject: Tinnitus Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 11:54 AM Hi everyone, For the past several weeks I have been hearing what sounds to me like many people talking, but I can't understand the words. I don't know if this is tinnitus or another one of my voices. I only hear this at night when my CIs are off. Lately I've also been hearing a very high pitched tone (only at night when my CIs are off) that will not stop. It's painful to hear and gives me a headache. My CI surgeon was going to put me on Prednisone to help my tinnitus, but I refused due to the possible side effects of depression and mood swings. However, I'm strongly thinking about changing my mind because I haven't been able to get a decent night's sleep for several weeks now and I don't know how much more of this I can take. Bilateral Cochlear CIs December 2004 and February 2006 Deafblind/Postlingu al Messages in this topic (111) Reply (via web post) | Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 , Thanks for your reply! I'm sorry you're going through this too. To answer your question, yes, illness can certainly increase tinnitus as can exhaustion or stress. Caffeine and salt are also contributing factors. Feel better soon! <smile> Bilateral Cochlear CIs December 2004 and February 2006 Deafblind/Postlingual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Mona , I wont be of any help here other than to offer you a mocha, but I have been there too, thinking I am hearing something on the outside with CI off. I have eniough residual hearing in the other ear to cause me to wonder sometimes. For the most part the tinnitus is fairly low key and rarely gets so bad it annoys me to no end. I do have a rather constant low to medium pitch that can kick into the next level and it makes me feel like I am getting sick. Wish they would hurry up and find a cure for this! LOL Hugs. *---* *---* *---* *---* *---* God must love stupid people; he made so many. & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- rclark0276@... Home Page- http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 , I wish they would find a cure too! Sometimes the tinnitus I hear is maddening. LOL! By the way, I e-mailed my CI surgeon and he said what I'm experiencing is tinnitus -- not auditory hallucinations since I can't understand what is being said. He suggested that I try sleeping with one CI on, so I'm going to give that a try and see if it helps. I did ask him about Prednisone, but he doesn't feel that it would help and is concerned about the side effects of depression and mood swings exacerbating my bipolar. Mona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Mona , Ahh maybe sleeping with one ear live will help. In that case, you could try one of those what is it called, oh yeah a white noise generator. *---* *---* *---* *---* *---* Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts. & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- rclark0276@... Home Page- http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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