Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Hi all, what came first, the chicken or the egg ? I've been browsing Hypothyroidism sites and the symptoms are the same as for implants....I'm so scared that I make the wrong choice here...how could I know that it IS my implants causing the symptoms, and not a thyroid problem ? Or how would I know if perhaps my thryoid was damaged during intubation for the implant op and that has set this off ? Ughh, I'm so confused with all this info........ Fiona ----- Original Message ----- From: ~*Patty*~ Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 7:28 PM Subject: Re: Shari: Prednisone Shari, You are just in a very tough spot. I'm so sorry that you are going through this! It must be very painful. I wonder why they can't isolate what is causing your infection? Have they cultured anything? But more importantly, is the antibiotic working? If it is not working, then they've missed the mark, and your candida issues are going to suffer for the worse from the antibiotic use. What has worked so far? Anything at all? The only thing I can suggest is for you to get examined by a specialist in stealth viruses and mycobacteria, such as Professor Garth Nicolson in Huntington Beach, CA. Maybe you can write him and explain your situation and see what he has to offer. His email address is: gnicolson@... Check out his website here: www.immed.org He is an expert in mycobacteria and stealth virus issues, and is such a kind, kind man. He has always answered my emails. At this point, it sounds like you need some big guns, and I am not talking about drugs. I am talking about doctors who can get at the root of your infection and deal with it effectively. Keep taking the probiotics, garlic, olive leaf extract, grapefruit seed extract, oregano oil, colloidal silver, caprylic acid, and any other natural agent you have on hand to fight infection and candida. Stay away from sugar. As for the prednisone, only you can make the decision on whether or not to keep taking it. Research it. Ask yourself if the risks make it worth taking. Does it seem to be helping? The question is, what will happen if it works, and then you go off? You don't want to be on it long term, and the best you can hope for is temporary relief until the root of the problem is solved. If you contact Dr. Nicolson and hear back from him, please let us know what he says. I hope you find some answers Shari! Hugs, Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: halvey70@... Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:01 AM Subject: Re: Re: heart pain & short update on my health (from Kacey) PATTYI was just prescribed prednisone due to my chronic sinusitis - I have another raging infection and have already had surgery on them twice since Nov 18th. I wonder if the benefits outweigh in this situation? He put me on a months worth as well as a nasal spray steriod too and Levequin - a strong antibiotic. I am guessing my candida is never going away at this point but I don't know what to doshari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Fiona, I think you have to consider the fact that implants may be the cause of hypothyroidism, unless you had all these symptoms before you even got implants. For sure, hypothyroidism occurs in non-implanted people. But that fact does not negate the possibility, (and for me probability, as we have NO prior history of thyroid problems in my immediate or extended family) that implants are the catalyst that causes the disease in the first place. There is always something that has triggers thyroid dysfunction. Thyroid imbalances are becoming epidemic in this country and around the world in industrialized nations, if it is not epidemic already. Environmental factors play a huge part in this. Implants can be associated with those environmenal factors since many of the substances used to make implants are chemically volatile and toxic. In my own mind, when looking at the history of mankind, it would appear that the explosive growth in the use of toxic substances and the spiraling incidences of previously rare diseases are related. Cause and effect, and implants fall into that category. Either way, if you had thyroid issues before you got implants, implants are definitely not going to help the situation, and can likely cause further downward spirals in health as you grow older. The potential misery of life at that point is something I guess I would rather not experience myself. Only you can decide Fiona! Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Fiona Parkinson Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Thyroid confusion Hi all, what came first, the chicken or the egg ? I've been browsing Hypothyroidism sites and the symptoms are the same as for implants....I'm so scared that I make the wrong choice here...how could I know that it IS my implants causing the symptoms, and not a thyroid problem ? Or how would I know if perhaps my thryoid was damaged during intubation for the implant op and that has set this off ? Ughh, I'm so confused with all this info........ Fiona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Hi, I just went to an endocrinologist and was prescribed synthroid for a TSH of 3.75. He dosen't think I have hypothyroid but is willing to treat me. He said if all your symptoms don't go away in three months then we're done. All my symptoms: constant fatigue, sluugishness, difficulty conscentrating and paying attention, forgetfulness, short term memory loss (peoples names), gained easy 65 lbs (thank God I lost 55), super cold, freezing feet that I'm insanely umcomfortable, constant low temperature, dry skin, depression, low blood pressure, aches and pains are also symptoms of Fibromyalgia. I am so hopeful that I will improve and much of my FM will go away. I'm not depressed anymore but have had serious trouble during worst period of the silicone poisioning and it is a real and unavoidable problem. When your whole world is coming down, you lack the discerning power to read life and stand up for yourself. But now I know what happened. See I had symptoms and actually improved with the implants still in. they've only been out 5 months. I go for my 5th month check Monday. Fiona, I started gaining weight when my worst of symptoms were being experienced, my onset. My onset was profoundly severe, everything went at once. I had implants for 12 years with no or little problems I thought but the signs were there I just missed them. Chronic sinusitus, asthma and unability to walk once, light duty work for 3 to 4 months. This is about 3 years before severe onset. But I gained weight like no bodies business. Of course the psychiatrists had me on every concoction. I had two silicone ruptures, extracapsular. Do I think the implants caused the hypothyrodism, indeed. Am I hypothyroid even though dr. has his arrogant opinion, most definately. He said Armour should be taken off the market. Hey, while were on this subject. What is the normal dose Patty, of synthroid? He gave me 50mcg. Fiona I know its over whelming at first but trust me, I've only been around 6 months and that's not long, but in that amount of time I'm almost ready to go back to work. I probably won't for a 9 monhts to a year but I will return for my Master's in a few months. We do recovery. But first get out the implants. Do you have hypothyrodism? The drs. are testy on treating us but perhaps they know we can get Armour without a prescription they are more willing. TSH range is 0 to 5. Drs. think anything under 5 is normal, however, there is a new study that says it should be under 2. Patty says she feels best when she is under .5. It also goes on your symptoms. They just don't go by numbers. Patty do you think I will improve with the level of synthroid he gave me? Because he ws very ignorant with me. He said if all your symptoms aren't gone we're done. I said but I'll always have FM. I think I should get a new one. I know I probably won't notice the difference for about 3 weeks. Take Care everyone. ~*Patty*~ <redeemed7@...> wrote: Fiona, I think you have to consider the fact that implants may be the cause of hypothyroidism, unless you had all these symptoms before you even got implants. For sure, hypothyroidism occurs in non-implanted people. But that fact does not negate the possibility, (and for me probability, as we have NO prior history of thyroid problems in my immediate or extended family) that implants are the catalyst that causes the disease in the first place. There is always something that has triggers thyroid dysfunction. Thyroid imbalances are becoming epidemic in this country and around the world in industrialized nations, if it is not epidemic already. Environmental factors play a huge part in this. Implants can be associated with those environmenal factors since many of the substances used to make implants are chemically volatile and toxic. In my own mind, when looking at the history of mankind, it would appear that the explosive growth in the use of toxic substances and the spiraling incidences of previously rare diseases are related. Cause and effect, and implants fall into that category. Either way, if you had thyroid issues before you got implants, implants are definitely not going to help the situation, and can likely cause further downward spirals in health as you grow older. The potential misery of life at that point is something I guess I would rather not experience myself. Only you can decide Fiona! Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Fiona Parkinson Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Thyroid confusion Hi all, what came first, the chicken or the egg ? I've been browsing Hypothyroidism sites and the symptoms are the same as for implants....I'm so scared that I make the wrong choice here...how could I know that it IS my implants causing the symptoms, and not a thyroid problem ? Or how would I know if perhaps my thryoid was damaged during intubation for the implant op and that has set this off ? Ughh, I'm so confused with all this info........ Fiona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Thanks Patty, .....I feel like laughing and crying hysterically at the same time from sheer confuzzlement ! I'm only now finding out how bad I am at making Big decisions...I suck at it ! I'm so sick and tired of the weight gain...I've been a skinny 57 kgs all my life and although I've only put on about 6 pounds, it bugs me..I feel big and heavy, and nothing seems to be shifting it. Previously, if I didn't eat for a day, I'd drop weight quickly...anyhow, enough moaning ! I tried Eltroxin last year, and I felt good for about a month, but still don't know if it was just a coincidence....then my Thyroid actually started hurting ( I'd upped the dosage ever so slightly) and can you believe that my Dr thought I;d gone nuts ? Said he NEVER heard of anyone's thyroid being painful.....so I stopeed the meds, wasn't losing weight on it...but a month was probably too short. I'm going to take my temp from tomorrow am using a normal thermometer ( have a digital, but they say it's not as good ?). I can't really tell if I'm cold right now as it's midsummer with a heat wave, but I have always gotten cold quickly ( nicknamed Goosebumps by my husband). I also used L Tyrosine for a while, and the DHEA really helped my poor adrenals... Fiona ----- Original Message ----- From: michelle king Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: Re: Thyroid confusion Hi, I just went to an endocrinologist and was prescribed synthroid for a TSH of 3.75. He dosen't think I have hypothyroid but is willing to treat me. He said if all your symptoms don't go away in three months then we're done. All my symptoms: constant fatigue, sluugishness, difficulty conscentrating and paying attention, forgetfulness, short term memory loss (peoples names), gained easy 65 lbs (thank God I lost 55), super cold, freezing feet that I'm insanely umcomfortable, constant low temperature, dry skin, depression, low blood pressure, aches and pains are also symptoms of Fibromyalgia. I am so hopeful that I will improve and much of my FM will go away. I'm not depressed anymore but have had serious trouble during worst period of the silicone poisioning and it is a real and unavoidable problem. When your whole world is coming down, you lack the discerning power to read life and stand up for yourself. But now I know what happened. See I had symptoms and actually improved with the implants still in. they've only been out 5 months. I go for my 5th month check Monday. Fiona, I started gaining weight when my worst of symptoms were being experienced, my onset. My onset was profoundly severe, everything went at once. I had implants for 12 years with no or little problems I thought but the signs were there I just missed them. Chronic sinusitus, asthma and unability to walk once, light duty work for 3 to 4 months. This is about 3 years before severe onset. But I gained weight like no bodies business. Of course the psychiatrists had me on every concoction. I had two silicone ruptures, extracapsular. Do I think the implants caused the hypothyrodism, indeed. Am I hypothyroid even though dr. has his arrogant opinion, most definately. He said Armour should be taken off the market. Hey, while were on this subject. & nbs p; What is the normal dose Patty, of synthroid? He gave me 50mcg. Fiona I know its over whelming at first but trust me, I've only been around 6 months and that's not long, but in that amount of time I'm almost ready to go back to work. I probably won't for a 9 monhts to a year but I will return for my Master's in a few months. We do recovery. But first get out the implants. Do you have hypothyrodism? The drs. are testy on treating us but perhaps they know we can get Armour without a prescription they are more willing. TSH range is 0 to 5. Drs. think anything under 5 is normal, however, there is a new study that says it should be under 2. Patty says she feels best when she is under .5. It also goes on your symptoms. They just don't go by numbers. Patty do you think I will improve with the level of synthroid he gave me? Because he ws very ignorant with me. He said if all your symptoms aren't gone we're done. I said but I'll always have FM. I think I should get a new one. I know I probably won't notice the difference for about 3 weeks. Take Care everyone. ~*Patty*~ <redeemed7@...> wrote: Fiona, I think you have to consider the fact that implants may be the cause of hypothyroidism, unless you had all these symptoms before you even got implants. For sure, hypothyroidism occurs in non-implanted people. But that fact does not negate the possibility, (and for me probability, as we have NO prior history of thyroid problems in my immediate or extended family) that implants are the catalyst that causes the disease in the first place. There is always something that has triggers thyroid dysfunction. Thyroid imbalances are becoming epidemic in this country and around the world in industrialized nations, if it is not epidemic already. Environmental factors play a huge part in this. Implants can be associated with those environmenal factors since many of the substances used to make implants are chemically volatile and toxic. In my own mind, when looking at the history of mankind, it would appear that the explosive growth in the use of toxic substances and the spiraling incidences of previously rare diseases are related. Cause and effect, and implants fall into that category. Either way, if you had thyroid issues before you got implants, implants are definitely not going to help the situation, and can likely cause further downward spirals in health as you grow older. The potential misery of life at that point is something I guess I would rather not experience myself. Only you can decide Fiona! Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Fiona Parkinson Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Thyroid confusion Hi all, what came first, the chicken or the egg ? I've been browsing Hypothyroidism sites and the symptoms are the same as for implants....I'm so scared that I make the wrong choice here...how could I know that it IS my implants causing the symptoms, and not a thyroid problem ? Or how would I know if perhaps my thryoid was damaged during intubation for the implant op and that has set this off ? Ughh, I'm so confused with all this info........ Fiona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Guys, what is Armour ? A synthetic thyroid med ? Fiona ----- Original Message ----- From: anita kessler Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 2:31 AM Subject: Re: Thyroid confusion MICHELLE, YOU SAID WE CAN GET ARMOUR WITHOUT A PRESCRIPTION? I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. WHERE DO YOU GET IT? I WOULD HAVE TRIED IT BY NOW IF I HAD KNOWN THAT. THANKS , ANITA ----- Original Message ----- From: michelle king Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 9:36 AM Subject: Re: Thyroid confusion Hi, I just went to an endocrinologist and was prescribed synthroid for a TSH of 3.75. He dosen't think I have hypothyroid but is willing to treat me. He said if all your symptoms don't g o away in three months then we're done. All my symptoms: constant fatigue, sluugishness, difficulty conscentrating and paying attention, forgetfulness, short term memory loss (peoples names), gained easy 65 lbs (thank God I lost 55), super cold, freezing feet that I'm insanely umcomfortable, constant low temperature, dry skin, depression, low blood pressure, aches and pains are also symptoms of Fibromyalgia. I am so hopeful that I will improve and much of my FM will go away. I'm not depressed anymore but have had serious trouble during worst period of the silicone poisioning and it is a real and unavoidable problem. When your whole world is coming down, you lack the discerning power to read life and stand up for yourself. But now I know what happened. See I had symptoms and actually improved with the implants still in. they've only been out 5 months. I go for my 5th month check Monday. Fiona, I started gaining w eight when my worst of symptoms were being experienced, my onset. My onset was profoundly severe, everything went at once. I had implants for 12 years with no or little problems I thought but the signs were there I just missed them. Chronic sinusitus, asthma and unability to walk once, light duty work for 3 to 4 months. This is about 3 years before severe onset. But I gained weight like no bodies business. Of course the psychiatrists had me on every concoction. I had two silicone ruptures, extracapsular. Do I think the implants caused the hypothyrodism, indeed. Am I hypothyroid even though dr. has his arrogant opinion, most definately. He said Armour should be taken off the market. Hey, while were on this subject. What is the normal dose Patty, of synthroid? He gave me 50mcg. Fiona I know its over whelming at first but trust me, I've only been around 6 months and that's not long, but in that amount of time I'm almost ready to go back to work. I probably won't for a 9 monhts to a year but I will return for my Master's in a few months. We do recovery. But first get out the implants. Do you have hypothyrodism? The drs. are testy on treating us but perhaps they know we can get Armour without a prescription they are more willing. TSH range is 0 to 5. Drs. think anything under 5 is normal, however, there is a new study that says it should be under 2. Patty says she feels best when she is under .5. It also goes on your symptoms. They just don't go by numbers. Patty do you think I will improve with the level of synthroid he gave me? Because he ws very ignorant with me. He said if all your symptoms aren't gone we're done. I said but I'll always have FM. I think I should get a new one. I know I probably won't notice the difference for about 3 weeks. Take Care everyone. & nb sp; ~*Patty*~ <redeemed7@...> wrote: Fiona, I think you have to consider the fact that implants may be the cause of hypothyroidism, unless you had all these symptoms before you even got implants. For sure, hypothyroidism occurs in non-implanted people. But that fact does not negate the possibility, (and for me probability, as we have NO prior history of thyroid problems in my immediate or extended family) that implants are the catalyst that causes the disease in the first place. There is always something that has triggers thyroid dysfunction. Thyr oid imbalances are becoming epidemic in this country and around the world in industrialized nations, if it is not epidemic already. Environmental factors play a huge part in this. Implants can be associated with those environmenal factors since many of the substances used to make implants are chemically volatile and toxic. In my own mind, when looking at the history of mankind, it would appear that the explosive growth in the use of toxic substances and the spiraling incidences of previously rare diseases are related. Cause and effect, and implants fall into that category. Either way, if you had thyroid issues before you got implants, implants are definitely not going to help the situation, and can likely cause further downward spir als in health as you grow older. The potential misery of life at that point is something I guess I would rather not experience myself. Only you can decide Fiona! Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Fiona Parkinson Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 7:22 AM Subject: Re: Thyroid confusion Hi all, what came first, the chicken or the egg ? I've been browsing Hypothyroidism sites and the symptoms are the same as for implants....I'm so scared that I make the wrong choice here...how could I know that it IS my implants causing the symptoms, and not a thyroid problem ? Or how would I know if perhaps my thryoid was damaged during intubation for the implant op and that has set this off ? Ughh, I'm so confused with all this info........ Fiona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Fiona, Armour thyroid is a natural thyroid hormone derived from porcine sources. It most closely matches the structure of human thyroid hormone. It is not in ANY way synthetic at all. It is the thyroid med of choice for those who want to stay as close to natural as possible. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Fiona Parkinson Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 6:54 AM Subject: Re: Thyroid confusion Guys, what is Armour ? A synthetic thyroid med ? Fiona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Self medicating with thyroid, even armour can be dangerous. get a simple blood test for tsh, t3 and t4 and let your doctor put you on the right dosage. too much can be dangerous! it may be a "natural" thyroid but is still a prescription. just my opinion. my doctor started me off at 1 grain a day and had to cut me back to 1/2 grain. please get professional advise on this one. Vickie >From: "~*Patty*~" >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Thyroid confusion >Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:17:55 -0800 > >Here is a source of Armour thyroid. This is where I get mine. Go to this pdf file, and scroll way down to the bottom, to page 24. There you will see "Available from Mexico", and the pharmacy's fax and phone number. They are associated with the Gerson healing clinics in America, so the quality of the products is American and you can be confident that you are getting good stuff. > >http://templatesites.mena.org.au/getalife/cancer/file_folder/dietary_healing.pdf > ----- Original Message ----- > From: anita kessler > > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: Thyroid confusion > > > MICHELLE, YOU SAID WE CAN GET ARMOUR WITHOUT A PRESCRIPTION? I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. WHERE DO YOU GET IT? I WOULD HAVE TRIED IT BY NOW IF I HAD KNOWN THAT. THANKS , ANITA Optimize your Internet experience to the max with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2004 Report Share Posted February 7, 2004 Thanks Patty ! More to mull over.... Fiona ----- Original Message ----- From: ~*Patty*~ Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 6:16 PM Subject: Re: Thyroid confusion Fiona, Armour thyroid is a natural thyroid hormone derived from porcine sources. It most closely matches the structure of human thyroid hormone. It is not in ANY way synthetic at all. It is the thyroid med of choice for those who want to stay as close to natural as possible. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Fiona Parkinson Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 6:54 AM Subject: Re: Thyroid confusion Guys, what is Armour ? A synthetic thyroid med ? Fiona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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