Guest guest Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 , thank you for this information. I will have to ask about these different strategies on my next appointment. I have no idea which speed I have now, but I suspect it is fast because of the low battery time. My hearing is fair in one-on-one conversations but I have great difficulty in noisy places and around a dinner table when several people are speaking, even one at a time when one talks on the left then one on the right or across the table. It sometimes feels like I am at a tennis match watching the ball as I turn to hear each speaker. Again, thanks for your input. Bobbi > > Hi Bobbi, > Cochlear has 3 mapping strategies. The first and earliest one they > came out with is called SPEAK. Short for " spectral peaks " It picks the > best electrodes to stimulate for each sound. It is a roving strategy > (can pick any of the electrodes), and is a fairly slow rate. It is the > ONLY strategy that persons with the Nucleus 22 and earlier implants can > use. Only Cochlear brand uses the SPEAK strategy. > ACE, which is Advanced Combined Encoding, strategy, is also a roving > strategy, and will pick the best electrodes to stimulate for each sound, > but it is a FASTER strategy. It is the " default " strategy for anyone > getting an implant these days. The audiologists will always map you with > ACE first. When I got the N5 almost 3 years ago, it was the only > strategy available. I don't like it, I don't hear well with it. I had > it put on my N24 when it became available, and never had as good quality > hearing with ACE as I had with SPEAK, so went back to SPEAK. I was very > happy when the software came out allowing SPEAK to be programmed on the > N5. ACE is also used only by Cochlear brand. > A third strategy is called CIS. Combined Interlevened Strategies. It > is a common strategy that ALL implant companies use. It is a fixed > strategy, which means it picks the SAME electrodes every time, to > stimulate for any sound, and it picks them very fast. Cochlear, Med-el > and AB use CIS strategies. > ACE is a combination of SPEAK (roving the entire electrode array, > picking the best electrodes to stimulate) and CIS (fast). That is why > it's the default mapping strategy. Some people, like me, don't like > ACE, and hear better with a slower strategy. Perhaps it's because I'm > blonde - you know... S L O W. > Anyway, if you are not happy with the way you are hearing, ask your > audiologist to put a SPEAK map and/or a CIS map on your processor. You > have 4 slots, so you could have 2 ACE, 1 SPEAK, and 1 CIS. Try them and > see which you prefer. > SPEAK, being a slow mapping strategy, saves battery life. I get > about 10 days from disposables on the Freedom upgrade for a N24 implant. > I get about 6 days using SPEAK on my N5 with rechargeable batteries. > ACE will run through batteries faster than SPEAK, and CIS runs > through them faster than any other. Some people love CIS for music. > NEVER choose battery life over hearing. With rechargeable batteries > available, you'd be foolish to sacrifice good hearing for more battery > life . I'm very fortunate that I can hear well with SPEAK, so get the > benefit of longer battery life. > So, if you're not happy with how you are hearing, get some different > strategies on and give it a go. > > > , > > I'm still trying to find out what is slow mapping compared to a faster > speed. Maybe you can explain it to me. > Thanks, > Bobbi > ____________________________________________________________ > 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 > Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e6bf79281264355debst04duc > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Hi Bobbi, Also ask about the ZOOM, Auto sensitivity and Focus features. You can lower the sensitivity, so you aren't listening to things for a huge distance around you, when you are in noise. Just lower sensitivity to 1 or 2. Works great in restaurants and other noisy places. Lots of features to help with this problem of hearing in noise. Ask the audiologist, , thank you for this information. I will have to ask about these different strategies on my next appointment. I have no idea which speed I have now, but I suspect it is fast because of the low battery time. My hearing is fair in one-on-one conversations but I have great difficulty in noisy places and around a dinner table when several people are speaking, even one at a time when one talks on the left then one on the right or across the table. It sometimes feels like I am at a tennis match watching the ball as I turn to hear each speaker. Again, thanks for your input. Bobbi ____________________________________________________________ 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e6fe81b1f8674138d4st04duc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2011 Report Share Posted September 18, 2011 A sensitive and fast nervous system would need less power to activate. That is Speak. A sluggish and slow nervous system would need more power to activate. That is Ace. So I don't think you are s l o w..... hehe > ACE is a combination of SPEAK (roving the entire electrode array, > picking the best electrodes to stimulate) and CIS (fast). That is why > it's the default mapping strategy. Some people, like me, don't like > ACE, and hear better with a slower strategy. Perhaps it's because I'm > blonde - you know... S L O W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 Hi, I'm new here to posting, although I've been reading. I have a CI device, implants in July and activated in August. I'm having a heck of a time hearing, mostly a lot of whistling. The audi has never really explained the mapping process to me, and although the sound is better now than when she first activated (it was so awful I had headaches and heard nothing but a loud whistle for two weeks until my next appointment, at which she determined she had it set too loud). I see her tomorrow, so I'm going to ask about the different maps you describe below in hopes that she hasn't used one that is the " right " one for me. Is the whistling/feedback sound supposed to happen? Is that just part of the " adaption " process of our brains to the signals? Or is that a sign that the map isn't quite right? I really wish she would explain a little better to me what actually happening, other than to tell me " it's ok " when I describe what I hear as feedback. I know it takes time to get used to hearing this new way, but can anyone tell me what I'm really supposed to be hearing? Or is it different for everyone, so just suck it up and wait it out? Thank you for all your input! Joan Davies > > > > Hi Bobbi, > > Cochlear has 3 mapping strategies. The first and earliest one they > > came out with is called SPEAK. Short for " spectral peaks " It picks the > > best electrodes to stimulate for each sound. It is a roving strategy > > (can pick any of the electrodes), and is a fairly slow rate. It is the > > ONLY strategy that persons with the Nucleus 22 and earlier implants can > > use. Only Cochlear brand uses the SPEAK strategy. > > ACE, which is Advanced Combined Encoding, strategy, is also a roving > > strategy, and will pick the best electrodes to stimulate for each sound, > > but it is a FASTER strategy. It is the " default " strategy for anyone > > getting an implant these days. The audiologists will always map you with > > ACE first. When I got the N5 almost 3 years ago, it was the only > > strategy available. I don't like it, I don't hear well with it. I had > > it put on my N24 when it became available, and never had as good quality > > hearing with ACE as I had with SPEAK, so went back to SPEAK. I was very > > happy when the software came out allowing SPEAK to be programmed on the > > N5. ACE is also used only by Cochlear brand. > > A third strategy is called CIS. Combined Interlevened Strategies. It > > is a common strategy that ALL implant companies use. It is a fixed > > strategy, which means it picks the SAME electrodes every time, to > > stimulate for any sound, and it picks them very fast. Cochlear, Med-el > > and AB use CIS strategies. > > ACE is a combination of SPEAK (roving the entire electrode array, > > picking the best electrodes to stimulate) and CIS (fast). That is why > > it's the default mapping strategy. Some people, like me, don't like > > ACE, and hear better with a slower strategy. Perhaps it's because I'm > > blonde - you know... S L O W. > > Anyway, if you are not happy with the way you are hearing, ask your > > audiologist to put a SPEAK map and/or a CIS map on your processor. You > > have 4 slots, so you could have 2 ACE, 1 SPEAK, and 1 CIS. Try them and > > see which you prefer. > > SPEAK, being a slow mapping strategy, saves battery life. I get > > about 10 days from disposables on the Freedom upgrade for a N24 implant. > > I get about 6 days using SPEAK on my N5 with rechargeable batteries. > > ACE will run through batteries faster than SPEAK, and CIS runs > > through them faster than any other. Some people love CIS for music. > > NEVER choose battery life over hearing. With rechargeable batteries > > available, you'd be foolish to sacrifice good hearing for more battery > > life . I'm very fortunate that I can hear well with SPEAK, so get the > > benefit of longer battery life. > > So, if you're not happy with how you are hearing, get some different > > strategies on and give it a go. > > > > > > , > > > > I'm still trying to find out what is slow mapping compared to a faster > > speed. Maybe you can explain it to me. > > Thanks, > > Bobbi > > ____________________________________________________________ > > 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 > > Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e6bf79281264355debst04duc > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 Gee, Joan. I don't know what implant you have but it seems to me that there should be no feedback whatsoever. The implant and processor just don't work like a hearing aid. I'm unaware of the possiblity of any feedback per se. I don't know your physical condition. I'm totally deaf without my implant but I did hear speech immediately upon activation (I wasn't quite totally deaf at that time). Not well, but somewhat understandable with effort. In the past several years it has gradually improved so that one on one conversation in a reasonably quiet environment is fairly easy and conversation in a small group is possible with considerable concentration on my part. Mine (AB) has a volume control and even though it wasn't originally set properly at mid-range I was able to compensate by turning it. It was reset since then but I still don't use it at midrange. I set it a little below that. Virg > Hi, I'm new here to posting, although I've been reading. I have a CI > device, implants in July and activated in August. I'm having a heck of a > time hearing, mostly a lot of whistling. The audi has never really > explained the mapping process to me, and although the sound is better now > than when she first activated (it was so awful I had headaches and heard > nothing but a loud whistle for two weeks until my next appointment, at > which she determined she had it set too loud). I see her tomorrow, so I'm > going to ask about the different maps you describe below in hopes that she > hasn't used one that is the " right " one for me. Is the whistling/feedback > sound supposed to happen? Is that just part of the " adaption " process of > our brains to the signals? Or is that a sign that the map isn't quite > right? I really wish she would explain a little better to me what actually > happening, other than to tell me " it's ok " when I describe what I hear as > feedback. I know it takes time to get used to hearing this new way, but > can anyone tell me what I'm really supposed to be hearing? Or is it > different for everyone, so just suck it up and wait it out? Thank you for > all your input! Joan Davies > > >> > >> > Hi Bobbi, >> > Cochlear has 3 mapping strategies. The first and earliest one they >> > came out with is called SPEAK. Short for " spectral peaks " It picks >> > the >> > best electrodes to stimulate for each sound. It is a roving strategy >> > (can pick any of the electrodes), and is a fairly slow rate. It is the >> > ONLY strategy that persons with the Nucleus 22 and earlier implants can >> > use. Only Cochlear brand uses the SPEAK strategy. >> > ACE, which is Advanced Combined Encoding, strategy, is also a roving >> > strategy, and will pick the best electrodes to stimulate for each >> > sound, >> > but it is a FASTER strategy. It is the " default " strategy for anyone >> > getting an implant these days. The audiologists will always map you >> > with >> > ACE first. When I got the N5 almost 3 years ago, it was the only >> > strategy available. I don't like it, I don't hear well with it. I had >> > it put on my N24 when it became available, and never had as good >> > quality >> > hearing with ACE as I had with SPEAK, so went back to SPEAK. I was >> > very >> > happy when the software came out allowing SPEAK to be programmed on the >> > N5. ACE is also used only by Cochlear brand. >> > A third strategy is called CIS. Combined Interlevened Strategies. >> > It >> > is a common strategy that ALL implant companies use. It is a fixed >> > strategy, which means it picks the SAME electrodes every time, to >> > stimulate for any sound, and it picks them very fast. Cochlear, Med-el >> > and AB use CIS strategies. >> > ACE is a combination of SPEAK (roving the entire electrode array, >> > picking the best electrodes to stimulate) and CIS (fast). That is why >> > it's the default mapping strategy. Some people, like me, don't like >> > ACE, and hear better with a slower strategy. Perhaps it's because I'm >> > blonde - you know... S L O W. >> > Anyway, if you are not happy with the way you are hearing, ask your >> > audiologist to put a SPEAK map and/or a CIS map on your processor. You >> > have 4 slots, so you could have 2 ACE, 1 SPEAK, and 1 CIS. Try them >> > and >> > see which you prefer. >> > SPEAK, being a slow mapping strategy, saves battery life. I get >> > about 10 days from disposables on the Freedom upgrade for a N24 >> > implant. >> > I get about 6 days using SPEAK on my N5 with rechargeable batteries. >> > ACE will run through batteries faster than SPEAK, and CIS runs >> > through them faster than any other. Some people love CIS for music. >> > NEVER choose battery life over hearing. With rechargeable >> > batteries >> > available, you'd be foolish to sacrifice good hearing for more battery >> > life . I'm very fortunate that I can hear well with SPEAK, so get the >> > benefit of longer battery life. >> > So, if you're not happy with how you are hearing, get some different >> > strategies on and give it a go. >> > >> > >> > , >> > >> > I'm still trying to find out what is slow mapping compared to a faster >> > speed. Maybe you can explain it to me. >> > Thanks, >> > Bobbi >> > ____________________________________________________________ >> > 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 >> > Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! >> > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e6bf79281264355debst04duc >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 Hi Joan wow!!! Whistlin/feedback? You mean like wolf whistles? Hmmmm ****cries... I'm missing all the fun. I want to hear some whistles. I don't hear that stuff. I hear clear crisp sounds. i have a Nucleus 5 Debbie Cole and the Lovable Leone From: Joan <joanldavies@...> Subject: Re: mapping speeds Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2011, 10:42 PM  Hi, I'm new here to posting, although I've been reading. I have a CI device, implants in July and activated in August. I'm having a heck of a time hearing, mostly a lot of whistling. The audi has never really explained the mapping process to me, and although the sound is better now than when she first activated (it was so awful I had headaches and heard nothing but a loud whistle for two weeks until my next appointment, at which she determined she had it set too loud). I see her tomorrow, so I'm going to ask about the different maps you describe below in hopes that she hasn't used one that is the " right " one for me. Is the whistling/feedback sound supposed to happen? Is that just part of the " adaption " process of our brains to the signals? Or is that a sign that the map isn't quite right? I really wish she would explain a little better to me what actually happening, other than to tell me " it's ok " when I describe what I hear as feedback. I know it takes time to get used to hearing this new way, but can anyone tell me what I'm really supposed to be hearing? Or is it different for everyone, so just suck it up and wait it out? Thank you for all your input! Joan Davies > > > > Hi Bobbi, > > Cochlear has 3 mapping strategies. The first and earliest one they > > came out with is called SPEAK. Short for " spectral peaks " It picks the > > best electrodes to stimulate for each sound. It is a roving strategy > > (can pick any of the electrodes), and is a fairly slow rate. It is the > > ONLY strategy that persons with the Nucleus 22 and earlier implants can > > use. Only Cochlear brand uses the SPEAK strategy. > > ACE, which is Advanced Combined Encoding, strategy, is also a roving > > strategy, and will pick the best electrodes to stimulate for each sound, > > but it is a FASTER strategy. It is the " default " strategy for anyone > > getting an implant these days. The audiologists will always map you with > > ACE first. When I got the N5 almost 3 years ago, it was the only > > strategy available. I don't like it, I don't hear well with it. I had > > it put on my N24 when it became available, and never had as good quality > > hearing with ACE as I had with SPEAK, so went back to SPEAK. I was very > > happy when the software came out allowing SPEAK to be programmed on the > > N5. ACE is also used only by Cochlear brand. > > A third strategy is called CIS. Combined Interlevened Strategies. It > > is a common strategy that ALL implant companies use. It is a fixed > > strategy, which means it picks the SAME electrodes every time, to > > stimulate for any sound, and it picks them very fast. Cochlear, Med-el > > and AB use CIS strategies. > > ACE is a combination of SPEAK (roving the entire electrode array, > > picking the best electrodes to stimulate) and CIS (fast). That is why > > it's the default mapping strategy. Some people, like me, don't like > > ACE, and hear better with a slower strategy. Perhaps it's because I'm > > blonde - you know... S L O W. > > Anyway, if you are not happy with the way you are hearing, ask your > > audiologist to put a SPEAK map and/or a CIS map on your processor. You > > have 4 slots, so you could have 2 ACE, 1 SPEAK, and 1 CIS. Try them and > > see which you prefer. > > SPEAK, being a slow mapping strategy, saves battery life. I get > > about 10 days from disposables on the Freedom upgrade for a N24 implant. > > I get about 6 days using SPEAK on my N5 with rechargeable batteries. > > ACE will run through batteries faster than SPEAK, and CIS runs > > through them faster than any other. Some people love CIS for music. > > NEVER choose battery life over hearing. With rechargeable batteries > > available, you'd be foolish to sacrifice good hearing for more battery > > life . I'm very fortunate that I can hear well with SPEAK, so get the > > benefit of longer battery life. > > So, if you're not happy with how you are hearing, get some different > > strategies on and give it a go. > > > > > > , > > > > I'm still trying to find out what is slow mapping compared to a faster > > speed. Maybe you can explain it to me. > > Thanks, > > Bobbi > > __________________________________________________________ > > 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 > > Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e6bf79281264355debst04duc > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2011 Report Share Posted September 20, 2011 Hi Joan, Welcome to CI Hear! Congratulations on getting a CI! You've made it through surgery and hook up! Please know that this is not it. You are a newbie at hearing and it's going to take baby steps before you are fully adjusted and have the map that you really like. No one can tell you what you are supposed to be hearing after hook up. As you already surmised, we each have our own experiences. Some people have clarity right after hook up. Others don't get it until much later. I can't talk about the various mapping strategies so I am not going to even attempt to. I do want you to know that you are not alone when you say you heard whistling and feedback. I had sooo much noise in my head the first two months or so after hook up! My brain was not making sense of the new sounds I was hearing. I wrote down observations of how I was hearing and what I knew I wasn't hearing and took them to my mappings and those observations allowed my audie to map me better. I was soooo happy when the long static noise left. I found out I was hearing that with every " s " word because I never heard the the " S " sound until I was hooked up and my brain had to recognize it first before I could hear it. That's the best I can explain it to you. Speech distinction didn't kick in for me until 3 months after hook up when I explained that I could not stand my youngest sister's voice. She has such a high pitched voice. My audie rounded off the edges of the highs and lows and ever since, my sister's voice is the easiest one for me to hear from another room. I am sorry your audie has not explained things better to you. Do you have another mapping coming up? Since you are recently hooked up, I would think you would. Start writing down observations about what you like and don't like about your programs and how you are hearing in general or what you know you are not hearing right. I once observed that I was not hearing the letter, " C " . The mapping sounded so much better after that. Good luck to you! Keep us posted on how it's going for you. And remember baby steps. With time and more mappings it should keep on getting better for you. Patti Surgery Day 11/25/02 N24C (What A Day!) Hook Up Day BWP 1/2/03 (A Happy Day!) 3G 1/31/03 (An Even Happier Day!) N5 Upgrade 7/19/11 (WOW!) > > > > > > Hi Bobbi, > > > Cochlear has 3 mapping strategies. The first and earliest one they > > > came out with is called SPEAK. Short for " spectral peaks " It picks the > > > best electrodes to stimulate for each sound. It is a roving strategy > > > (can pick any of the electrodes), and is a fairly slow rate. It is the > > > ONLY strategy that persons with the Nucleus 22 and earlier implants can > > > use. Only Cochlear brand uses the SPEAK strategy. > > > ACE, which is Advanced Combined Encoding, strategy, is also a roving > > > strategy, and will pick the best electrodes to stimulate for each sound, > > > but it is a FASTER strategy. It is the " default " strategy for anyone > > > getting an implant these days. The audiologists will always map you with > > > ACE first. When I got the N5 almost 3 years ago, it was the only > > > strategy available. I don't like it, I don't hear well with it. I had > > > it put on my N24 when it became available, and never had as good quality > > > hearing with ACE as I had with SPEAK, so went back to SPEAK. I was very > > > happy when the software came out allowing SPEAK to be programmed on the > > > N5. ACE is also used only by Cochlear brand. > > > A third strategy is called CIS. Combined Interlevened Strategies. It > > > is a common strategy that ALL implant companies use. It is a fixed > > > strategy, which means it picks the SAME electrodes every time, to > > > stimulate for any sound, and it picks them very fast. Cochlear, Med-el > > > and AB use CIS strategies. > > > ACE is a combination of SPEAK (roving the entire electrode array, > > > picking the best electrodes to stimulate) and CIS (fast). That is why > > > it's the default mapping strategy. Some people, like me, don't like > > > ACE, and hear better with a slower strategy. Perhaps it's because I'm > > > blonde - you know... S L O W. > > > Anyway, if you are not happy with the way you are hearing, ask your > > > audiologist to put a SPEAK map and/or a CIS map on your processor. You > > > have 4 slots, so you could have 2 ACE, 1 SPEAK, and 1 CIS. Try them and > > > see which you prefer. > > > SPEAK, being a slow mapping strategy, saves battery life. I get > > > about 10 days from disposables on the Freedom upgrade for a N24 implant. > > > I get about 6 days using SPEAK on my N5 with rechargeable batteries. > > > ACE will run through batteries faster than SPEAK, and CIS runs > > > through them faster than any other. Some people love CIS for music. > > > NEVER choose battery life over hearing. With rechargeable batteries > > > available, you'd be foolish to sacrifice good hearing for more battery > > > life . I'm very fortunate that I can hear well with SPEAK, so get the > > > benefit of longer battery life. > > > So, if you're not happy with how you are hearing, get some different > > > strategies on and give it a go. > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > I'm still trying to find out what is slow mapping compared to a faster > > > speed. Maybe you can explain it to me. > > > Thanks, > > > Bobbi > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 > > > Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e6bf79281264355debst04duc > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 Sounds like tinnitus, I suffer from it BUT there has been a breakthrough in the treatment of tinnitus at last... Re: mapping speeds Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2011, 10:42 PM  Hi, I'm new here to posting, although I've been reading. I have a CI device, implants in July and activated in August. I'm having a heck of a time hearing, mostly a lot of whistling. The audi has never really explained the mapping process to me, and although the sound is better now than when she first activated (it was so awful I had headaches and heard nothing but a loud whistle for two weeks until my next appointment, at which she determined she had it set too loud). I see her tomorrow, so I'm going to ask about the different maps you describe below in hopes that she hasn't used one that is the " right " one for me. Is the whistling/feedback sound supposed to happen? Is that just part of the " adaption " process of our brains to the signals? Or is that a sign that the map isn't quite right? I really wish she would explain a little better to me what actually happening, other than to tell me " it's ok " when I describe what I hear as feedback. I know it takes time to get used to hearing this new way, but can anyone tell me what I'm really supposed to be hearing? Or is it different for everyone, so just suck it up and wait it out? Thank you for all your input! Joan Davies > > > > Hi Bobbi, > > Cochlear has 3 mapping strategies. The first and earliest one they > > came out with is called SPEAK. Short for " spectral peaks " It picks the > > best electrodes to stimulate for each sound. It is a roving strategy > > (can pick any of the electrodes), and is a fairly slow rate. It is the > > ONLY strategy that persons with the Nucleus 22 and earlier implants can > > use. Only Cochlear brand uses the SPEAK strategy. > > ACE, which is Advanced Combined Encoding, strategy, is also a roving > > strategy, and will pick the best electrodes to stimulate for each sound, > > but it is a FASTER strategy. It is the " default " strategy for anyone > > getting an implant these days. The audiologists will always map you with > > ACE first. When I got the N5 almost 3 years ago, it was the only > > strategy available. I don't like it, I don't hear well with it. I had > > it put on my N24 when it became available, and never had as good quality > > hearing with ACE as I had with SPEAK, so went back to SPEAK. I was very > > happy when the software came out allowing SPEAK to be programmed on the > > N5. ACE is also used only by Cochlear brand. > > A third strategy is called CIS. Combined Interlevened Strategies. It > > is a common strategy that ALL implant companies use. It is a fixed > > strategy, which means it picks the SAME electrodes every time, to > > stimulate for any sound, and it picks them very fast. Cochlear, Med-el > > and AB use CIS strategies. > > ACE is a combination of SPEAK (roving the entire electrode array, > > picking the best electrodes to stimulate) and CIS (fast). That is why > > it's the default mapping strategy. Some people, like me, don't like > > ACE, and hear better with a slower strategy. Perhaps it's because I'm > > blonde - you know... S L O W. > > Anyway, if you are not happy with the way you are hearing, ask your > > audiologist to put a SPEAK map and/or a CIS map on your processor. You > > have 4 slots, so you could have 2 ACE, 1 SPEAK, and 1 CIS. Try them and > > see which you prefer. > > SPEAK, being a slow mapping strategy, saves battery life. I get > > about 10 days from disposables on the Freedom upgrade for a N24 implant. > > I get about 6 days using SPEAK on my N5 with rechargeable batteries. > > ACE will run through batteries faster than SPEAK, and CIS runs > > through them faster than any other. Some people love CIS for music. > > NEVER choose battery life over hearing. With rechargeable batteries > > available, you'd be foolish to sacrifice good hearing for more battery > > life . I'm very fortunate that I can hear well with SPEAK, so get the > > benefit of longer battery life. > > So, if you're not happy with how you are hearing, get some different > > strategies on and give it a go. > > > > > > , > > > > I'm still trying to find out what is slow mapping compared to a faster > > speed. Maybe you can explain it to me. > > Thanks, > > Bobbi > >__________________________________________________________ > > 57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25 > > Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e6bf79281264355debst04duc > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 Joan, If it's so loud you can't wear it, then it's TOO loud. Audi's need to KNOW this. You, on the other hand, can reduce the volume and sensitivity if you have a nucleus implant. Not sure on AB, but pretty sure you can reduce volume at least. That said, you will hear a LOT of things you never heard before, and especially in the high frequencies (which are the first to go in hearing loss). So it does take practice with the unit, but at a comfortable volume. As someone else mentioned, you sometimes get speech recognition with the first mapping. And then there's the rest of us who have brains that are saying, " What the HECK is THAT all about???? " It takes time. 3 months for me with my first implant. So hang in there. Just make sure that the audi sets your volume in a nice middle ground so that you can go up or down as needed. Meanwhile, ACE is probably what you have, and I'd stick with it if I could. Because any of the mappings are going to sound weird at this early stage. And ACE is by far and awy the best combination for most people. Which is why it is the default setting. I'm one of the weird ones who needs slow, and only knew that from having slow SPEAK on my other processor. Whistling/feedback is NOT supposed to happen. So it sounds like you're too loud or too much sensitivity. You can change both of those down to 1 or 2 or until it is more comfortable. It is different for everyone, but it should NOT be uncomfortable or cause headaches. The whistling sensation might be your hearing words that are " syllibants " SH, SSS, etc sounds, that you haven't heard before or haven't heard in a long time. Again, NO pain allowed, but be aware there are sounds that you haven't heard, and need to identify. Once you know what they are, and if they are things like refrigerators, computers, or dimmer switches on lights, you can ignore them once you have identified them. And if you are set on a TELECOIL setting (by accident), you can switch it off with the remote. Telecoil will pick up extra noise from refrigerators, computers, dimmer switches AND fluorescent lights. Just so you're aware. Good luck, ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e7a0ddc2aee46ef3e5st01duc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 You must have ESP, denise. i was just thinking about you and about this very subject. I went to my audi today. He's now going to take a more aggressive approach to my hearing. It was the most intense mapping I've ever had. He gave me 3 every day programs that he wans me to try and decide which one works best for me. I go back in 6 weeks. He said we might also try slowing the speed down. Thank you, because you've educated me, I was better prepared to ask more questions. Trish Re: mapping speeds Joan, If it's so loud you can't wear it, then it's TOO loud. Audi's need to KNOW this. You, on the other hand, can reduce the volume and sensitivity if you have a nucleus implant. Not sure on AB, but pretty sure you can reduce volume at least. That said, you will hear a LOT of things you never heard before, and especially in the high frequencies (which are the first to go in hearing loss). So it does take practice with the unit, but at a comfortable volume. As someone else mentioned, you sometimes get speech recognition with the first mapping. And then there's the rest of us who have brains that are saying, " What the HECK is THAT all about???? " It takes time. 3 months for me with my first implant. So hang in there. Just make sure that the audi sets your volume in a nice middle ground so that you can go up or down as needed. Meanwhile, ACE is probably what you have, and I'd stick with it if I could. Because any of the mappings are going to sound weird at this early stage. And ACE is by far and awy the best combination for most people. Which is why it is the default setting. I'm one of the weird ones who needs slow, and only knew that from having slow SPEAK on my other processor. Whistling/feedback is NOT supposed to happen. So it sounds like you're too loud or too much sensitivity. You can change both of those down to 1 or 2 or until it is more comfortable. It is different for everyone, but it should NOT be uncomfortable or cause headaches. The whistling sensation might be your hearing words that are " syllibants " SH, SSS, etc sounds, that you haven't heard before or haven't heard in a long time. Again, NO pain allowed, but be aware there are sounds that you haven't heard, and need to identify. Once you know what they are, and if they are things like refrigerators, computers, or dimmer switches on lights, you can ignore them once you have identified them. And if you are set on a TELECOIL setting (by accident), you can switch it off with the remote. Telecoil will pick up extra noise from refrigerators, computers, dimmer switches AND fluorescent lights. Just so you're aware. Good luck, __________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e7a0ddc2aee46ef3e5st01duc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2011 Report Share Posted September 21, 2011 Thanks to everyone who threw in two cents. I took the lump sum of change and went to the audi today and she really seemed to pay more attention to my issues. That was my longest session yet. We didn't really fix everything, but I think she at least gets that something isn't quite right. (Quick backstory: profound hearing loss (nerve deafness) from birth, bilateral hearing aids until surgery, now CI in right and HA in left. I have Cochlear America implant, not sure what model.) At first the audi thought the whistling sound might be tinnitus, but I hardly had that problem before the surgery, and the sound after surgery has been water whooshing, not whistling. During the mapping process, one of the things that caused some concern is that I have been experiencing a vibration inside my head at certain frequencies or pitches, sort of like the zzzt when you stick your finger in a socket. It would make my eyes twitch when she played those beeps or turned on the device. The audi said I should definitely not be feeling anything, so she canceled out a bunch of electrodes that were causing that sensation. Doesn't leave me with much to work with for now, although a fair amount of the whistling has been eliminated (yay), but now it's a staticky, standing-in-a-hallway kind of sound. Doesn't mix well at all with my HA. I have an appointment with the surgical doctor for a CT scan to ensure that something isn't out of place internally. If all is well inside and we still have no luck coming up with a good map, she will talk to the manufacturer about a possible device defect. One of the first things the audi said was that she would NOT put me on SPEAK, because she didn't think that was the problem and she felt it wouldn't help me at all. She was adamant about that at first, then later backed off a little and said if all else fails, she might try it. I'm sure it might be incredibly frustrating for the audi to have this technology and is imprecise and arbitrary because on reactions of each CI wearer. And for us, to try to describe what it is we are hearing (or what we THINK we're hearing) makes the process even more frustrating. I envy those folks who were lucky enough to have fast effective results right away. (I can't imagine waiting two years for the perfect map!) Come on, brain! Do your thing... Joan > > Joan, > If it's so loud you can't wear it, then it's TOO loud. Audi's need to > KNOW this. You, on the other hand, can reduce the volume and sensitivity > if you have a nucleus implant. Not sure on AB, but pretty sure you can > reduce volume at least. > That said, you will hear a LOT of things you never heard before, and > especially in the high frequencies (which are the first to go in hearing > loss). So it does take practice with the unit, but at a comfortable > volume. > As someone else mentioned, you sometimes get speech recognition with > the first mapping. And then there's the rest of us who have brains that > are saying, " What the HECK is THAT all about???? " It takes time. 3 > months for me with my first implant. So hang in there. Just make sure > that the audi sets your volume in a nice middle ground so that you can go > up or down as needed. > Meanwhile, ACE is probably what you have, and I'd stick with it if I > could. Because any of the mappings are going to sound weird at this > early stage. And ACE is by far and awy the best combination for most > people. Which is why it is the default setting. I'm one of the weird > ones who needs slow, and only knew that from having slow SPEAK on my > other processor. > Whistling/feedback is NOT supposed to happen. So it sounds like > you're too loud or too much sensitivity. You can change both of those > down to 1 or 2 or until it is more comfortable. > It is different for everyone, but it should NOT be uncomfortable or > cause headaches. The whistling sensation might be your hearing words > that are " syllibants " SH, SSS, etc sounds, that you haven't heard before > or haven't heard in a long time. Again, NO pain allowed, but be aware > there are sounds that you haven't heard, and need to identify. Once you > know what they are, and if they are things like refrigerators, computers, > or dimmer switches on lights, you can ignore them once you have > identified them. And if you are set on a TELECOIL setting (by accident), > you can switch it off with the remote. Telecoil will pick up extra noise > from refrigerators, computers, dimmer switches AND fluorescent lights. > Just so you're aware. > Good luck, > > ____________________________________________________________ > Penny Stock Jumping 3000% > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e7a0ddc2aee46ef3e5st01duc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 I was at a cocktail party & concert last night sponsored by one of the hospitals in town, and was talking to the man who started their implant program. Told him how users need to be pro-active and let audiologist know what it's like. If they just go by what Cochlear tells them, they are NOT listening to us, the users. So it needs to be a cooperative effort. Glad you got a mapping you can USE. I don't leave until I'm happy with mine. But then my audiologist are used to me. Been 14 years since I got my first one, so they can't tell me that " I'll get used to it " , or " It takes a while to adjust to it " if I know it's way wrong. My phrase is, " Don't start with me, you will NOT win " . So when audiologists listen, and users help, it becomes a win-win situation. Thanks for letting me know I helped you out. You must have ESP, denise. i was just thinking about you and about this very subject. I went to my audi today. He's now going to take a more aggressive approach to my hearing. It was the most intense mapping I've ever had. He gave me 3 every day programs that he wans me to try and decide which one works best for me. I go back in 6 weeks. He said we might also try slowing the speed down. Thank you, because you've educated me, I was better prepared to ask more questions. Trish ____________________________________________________________ 60-Year-Old Mom Looks 27 Mom Reveals Free Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e7b5c0c46713652249st06duc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 Joan, Getting a working dialogue is a good thing. And if your audiologist will LISTEN, you'll have a good relationship. One nice thing about the Nucleus product is that there are 22 electrodes, so if some of them are causing facial problems or twitching, they can be turned off. You can actually hear well with as few as 8 electrodes. So don't worry about that. It could also be the stimulation is too fast in those electrodes. But you're working toward finding it out. I imagine it is frustrating for the audiologist to not be able to find the perfect map, but then it's equally frustrating for the users. So hang in there. It takes time, but it also takes cooperation. If your audiologist is adament, well, there are more audiologists out there. Audi can also put a very slow ACE program on. Which is similar to SPEAK, but not the same. Keep us informed of the progress. ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e7b5c0c5650f65224ast06duc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2011 Report Share Posted September 22, 2011 Good post, ! You really need to be able to communicate with the audie to get a good map. A could be just a short list of observations you noticed about your hearing. My new audie cracks me up because she loves it when I come in. My Center went through a restructing recently and it took 4 years for them to accomplish this. I'm one of the few original patients that stayed with them.II don't feel like going further into Philly to another CI Center so I waited until they were up and running again....4 years. I promised my new audie I would not go so long ever again and that at least once a year I would come in. Life was busy during the restructuring what with my Dad being very sick and then his passing. I was hearing well enough so I waited. My original audie left and now I have a brand new audie fresh out of school. She gets a kick out of how I know what I want when I come in. She says I have taught her a lot over the past year and a half that I have gone in. She thought her job was just mapping the processor but through me, she learned to listen and map from real life observations rather than just from beeps. The very slow ACE is what I started out with. I think my original audie called it ACE 700 and something. It allowed me to hear environmental sounds, but when speech distinction wasn't kicking in, he switched me to ACE 900 and boy did I ever like that! When ACE 1200 came out, I wanted to try it and I did very well with it in the audie's office; but over the course of two weeks in real life situations I found out it was not for me. I was getting too many headaches and I never get headaches unless it's a sinus infection. I went back to ACE 900 and today that is still my main program. The edges of the highs and lows have been rounded off so I can tolerate my youngest sister's voice. I love her voice now! Have a good day everyone! Patti > > Joan, > Getting a working dialogue is a good thing. And if your audiologist > will LISTEN, you'll have a good relationship. > One nice thing about the Nucleus product is that there are 22 > electrodes, so if some of them are causing facial problems or twitching, > they can be turned off. You can actually hear well with as few as 8 > electrodes. So don't worry about that. It could also be the stimulation > is too fast in those electrodes. But you're working toward finding it > out. > I imagine it is frustrating for the audiologist to not be able to find > the perfect map, but then it's equally frustrating for the users. So > hang in there. It takes time, but it also takes cooperation. If your > audiologist is adament, well, there are more audiologists out there. > Audi can also put a very slow ACE program on. Which is similar to > SPEAK, but not the same. > Keep us informed of the progress. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Penny Stock Jumping 3000% > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e7b5c0c5650f65224ast06duc > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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