Guest guest Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I get between 12 and 16 hours out of the 2 disposable batteries in the n5. I Every morning I have to change them. It's upsetting, the batteries can go at any time. I've asked my audi about it, Cochlear's regional rep, but nobody will give me any answers about battery life and waht can be done. trish Battery life N5 Hi I just had a mapping done on Tuesday as I was at maximum volume and had non reserve left ! The next day I noticed that my rechargeable battery ,I use the small ones ,only lasted for 6 hours. Previous to the mapping I was getting 9.5 to 10 hours from the battery , after previous mappings I had noticed the life was shortened slightly but no more then 30 min ! Has anyone else had this issue of such a dramatic increase in power use ? I do recall the Audi saying he also upgraded the software in the processor , I'm wondering if this has something to do with it . Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Hi patrica The reghargable batteries come in large and small sizes. regards, Toovey Re: Battery life N5 Hi Neil I don't know what you mena by the large and small battery - I use disposbles more than rechargables because I don't have to worry about putting them on the charger every night. I do carry the rechargables on me at all times in case the disposables die on me. I'm afraid to leave the house. I slept with the 3g on the night before the hurricane in cases there was an emergency during the night. I knew the N5 wouldn't have held up. I was climbing a light house and the batteries died, racing down the stairs after a concert to beat the mob scene to the parking lt and my batteries died. And that was a 16 hor battery day. Is there anything that can be done>? Trish Re: Battery life N5 Hi trish Yes it is very annoying ! I have always used the small battery as the large one rubs and leaves my ear sore , the small battery is supposably rated for twelve hours and the large 18 hrs with it now using twice as much power I guess I would only get 9 out of the large one now ! Still hardly acceptable ! Neil Sent from my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 sound quality is extremely important. I used to get close to 3 days with the 3G on battery life. My audi won't tweek anything. In fact, I'm not supposed to go back to him for a long time. On the bright side, it looks like I will be working with someone from Helen Keller to learn how to use the n5 better. I don't agree with the point made about taking it off to save battery power. the idea is to hear, I jsut with the batteries lasted a little longer. Trish Re: Battery life N5 > > > > Hi trish > Yes it is very annoying ! I have always used the small battery as the > large one rubs and leaves my ear sore , the small battery is supposably > rated for twelve hours and the large 18 hrs with it now using twice as > much power I guess I would only get 9 out of the large one now ! Still > hardly acceptable ! > Neil > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 , where are you located? You must have one heck of an Audi who really puts your best best interest at heart? I have read and read some of your post and try and use it to help in my my situations but wow, I believe there are very inexperienced Audis out there that really are at a loss themselves. As a for instance. I wanted to be able to use Zoom. My Audi worked and worked on it and finally told me I needed to contact Cochlear America she just could not remember how to do it or install it. Called Cochlear America told me need to go back to my Audi. Needless to say I still don't have it. Now nothing against mine. But they are not all as experienced as it sounds as yours. I have the same problem. My large rechargeable only last a little less than 6 hours when it use to last 2 1/2 days. Problem? Yes. Not sure what. But if this is a forum we really need to address the good and the bad so everyone can work together for the solution. It would be interesting how many N-5 wearers are having this problem. Freedom and other may not have these problems, just curious. For it is very frustrating. I am sure there is an answer. We just need to find it. Sent from my iPad On Sep 8, 2011, at 10:40 AM, C <gone.to.dawgs@...> wrote: > Trish and others, > You need to remember some basics. The rechargeable and disposable > batteries are two very different beasts. You cannot expect them to work the > same way, they dont. The rechargeable is very efficient in that you do not > use and dispose of dead batteries. Sure, you need to charge them nightly. > > Now this applies to both types of batteries. How long they last depends > on many factors, the biggest one is the maps. They can be either power > efficient or power hungry. Some people accept the tradeoffs and accept > shorter battery life for better sound quality. But the audi can create maps > that are both power efficient and also give great sound quality. His > software has a battery meter that shows this. It would be well worth the > effort to tweak the maps to get more out of your batteries. > > With my Freedom, I can expect a day or two from the rechargeable and > about a week or so on disposables. > > If you are not happy with the current maps, you need to get pushy and > get those maps tweaked. > > Quote of the nanosecond... > Enjoy when you can, and endure when you must. > --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe > & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn > E-mail- > Gone.to.Dawgs@... > Home Page- > http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ > > Re: Battery life N5 > > > > > > > > Hi trish > > Yes it is very annoying ! I have always used the small battery as the > > large one rubs and leaves my ear sore , the small battery is supposably > > rated for twelve hours and the large 18 hrs with it now using twice as > > much power I guess I would only get 9 out of the large one now ! Still > > hardly acceptable ! > > Neil > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 then I should hear better than I am, but at least I know what the average battery life is. My audi wouldn't tell me. We'll see what they say at HK. Maybe they say I can be weeked and still hear good. Re: Battery life N5 > > > > > > > > Hi trish > > Yes it is very annoying ! I have always used the small battery as the > > large one rubs and leaves my ear sore , the small battery is supposably > > rated for twelve hours and the large 18 hrs with it now using twice as > > much power I guess I would only get 9 out of the large one now ! Still > > hardly acceptable ! > > Neil > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Trish, I agree that sound quality is very important. Perhaps it is time to find a new audiologist. Mine works with me to get the best sound quality...... they all should...... that is my opinion. One thing that might help with battery power is the speed at which the map is set. The faster the speed, the more battery power is eaten up quicker. Some people hear better at slower speeds and that saves with battery power. For some people, it takes a little time to get used to slower speeds. Either way, if I were you, I would ask my audiologist to try me at a sloweer speed to help with the battery power. Also, it wouldn’t hurt to speak with a Cochlear rep and have one at your next mapping. The audiologist has to request a clinical specialist from Cochlear in order to have one attend at your mapping. If your audiologist does not cooperate, change audiologists..... that too is my opinion. Happy Hearing! Carol Boca Raton, FL Cochlear America Nucleus 24C - left ear - Sprint 12/11/01 then 3G then upgraded to Freedom on 2/19/08 Cochlear America Freedom right ear -implanted 3/01/06 - activated 4/06/06 - upgraded to Nucleus 5 on 8/30/2011 From: Hubschman Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 1:51 PM Subject: Re: Battery life N5 sound quality is extremely important. I used to get close to 3 days with the 3G on battery life. My audi won't tweek anything. In fact, I'm not supposed to go back to him for a long time. On the bright side, it looks like I will be working with someone from Helen Keller to learn how to use the n5 better. I don't agree with the point made about taking it off to save battery power. the idea is to hear, I jsut with the batteries lasted a little longer. Trish Re: Battery life N5 > > > > Hi trish > Yes it is very annoying ! I have always used the small battery as the > large one rubs and leaves my ear sore , the small battery is supposably > rated for twelve hours and the large 18 hrs with it now using twice as > much power I guess I would only get 9 out of the large one now ! Still > hardly acceptable ! > Neil > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 That's what I wanted to know. My audi wouldn't tell me that. Personally, I think such a battery life is ridiculous. Is it all right to go back and forth between the disposables and rechargables. Trish Battery life N5 > > > > Hi > I just had a mapping done on Tuesday as I was at maximum volume and had non reserve left ! The next day I noticed that my rechargeable battery ,I use the small ones ,only lasted for 6 hours. Previous to the mapping I was getting 9.5 to 10 hours from the battery , after previous mappings I had noticed the life was shortened slightly but no more then 30 min ! Has anyone else had this issue of such a dramatic increase in power use ? I do recall the Audi saying he also upgraded the software in the processor , I'm wondering if this has something to do with it . > > Neil > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 The speed of the map is new to me. What is the advantage of a faster speed? How does that impact hearing ability? And the reverse, what does a slower speed do? Thanks, Bobbi > > Trish, I agree that sound quality is very important. > One thing that might help with battery power is the speed at which the map is set. The faster the speed, the more battery power is eaten up quicker. Some people hear better at slower speeds and that saves with battery power. For some people, it takes a little time to get used to slower speeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 I have been told to only use the rechargables with my N5, this is coming from my audie. This is purely because of the battery life I am getting with my mapping. I think the large rechargable is lasting around 24-36 hours and the small rechargable is lasting abouT 10ish hours. This is because of my map. I have high frequenxy deafness and my hearing was in the grey area before my op now it is hearing persons threshold it has changed soo much I'm very happy, this concludes that the battery life is nothing to do with the audie or any human fault its just the map that people require. I see my audie on 10th october for my " 3 month follow up " even though it will be just under 6 months since my operation and I was activated 26th may 2011. Also since joining this group I have been learning how the american health system works and it is wayy different from the UK. Like for example I cannot have my right ear done and go biletial (even though I want to but it is going to be hard) purely because of the NHS NICE guidelines. Which I'm not happy with. Took 38 months from referal to operation. And the baTteries are alright in my openion I have a small and large rechargable and carry both everywhere (well one connected to my processor of course) and carry it in the black cochlear everyday case. regards, Toovey Re: Battery life N5 The speed of the map is new to me. What is the advantage of a faster speed? How does that impact hearing ability? And the reverse, what does a slower speed do? Thanks, Bobbi > > Trish, I agree that sound quality is very important. > One thing that might help with battery power is the speed at which the map is set. The faster the speed, the more battery power is eaten up quicker. Some people hear better at slower speeds and that saves with battery power. For some people, it takes a little time to get used to slower speeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Bottom line, Trish. Its your hearing and you need to get what you ask for. If you dont, then request a rep from Cochlear to attend a mapping session. This is not the area rep but if you need to, you should be able to get the area rep to help in this. Have you been in contact with her? Quote of the nanosecond... Did you just tell me I wasn't listening to you! & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- Gone.to.Dawgs@... Home Page- http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ Battery life N5 > > > > > > > > Hi > > I just had a mapping done on Tuesday as I was at maximum volume and had > non reserve left ! The next day I noticed that my rechargeable battery ,I > use the small ones ,only lasted for 6 hours. Previous to the mapping I was > getting 9.5 to 10 hours from the battery , after previous mappings I had > noticed the life was shortened slightly but no more then 30 min ! Has > anyone else had this issue of such a dramatic increase in power use ? I do > recall the Audi saying he also upgraded the software in the processor , > I'm wondering if this has something to do with it . > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 each person is different... while some people hear better with faster speeds, many do better with slower speeds. Happy Hearing! Carol Boca Raton, FL Cochlear America Nucleus 24C - left ear - Sprint 12/11/01 then 3G then upgraded to Freedom on 2/19/08 Cochlear America Freedom right ear -implanted 3/01/06 - activated 4/06/06 - upgraded to Nucleus 5 on 8/30/2011 From: yaegr Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:20 PM Subject: Re: Battery life N5 The speed of the map is new to me. What is the advantage of a faster speed? How does that impact hearing ability? And the reverse, what does a slower speed do? Thanks, Bobbi > > Trish, I agree that sound quality is very important. > One thing that might help with battery power is the speed at which the map is set. The faster the speed, the more battery power is eaten up quicker. Some people hear better at slower speeds and that saves with battery power. For some people, it takes a little time to get used to slower speeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 I use both rechargeables and disposables and find no difference in my hearing. Happy Hearing! Carol Boca Raton, FL Cochlear America Nucleus 24C - left ear - Sprint 12/11/01 then 3G then upgraded to Freedom on 2/19/08 Cochlear America Freedom right ear -implanted 3/01/06 - activated 4/06/06 - upgraded to Nucleus 5 on 8/30/2011 From: Hubschman Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:01 PM Subject: Re: Re: Battery life N5 That's what I wanted to know. My audi wouldn't tell me that. Personally, I think such a battery life is ridiculous. Is it all right to go back and forth between the disposables and rechargables. Trish Battery life N5 > > > > Hi > I just had a mapping done on Tuesday as I was at maximum volume and had non reserve left ! The next day I noticed that my rechargeable battery ,I use the small ones ,only lasted for 6 hours. Previous to the mapping I was getting 9.5 to 10 hours from the battery , after previous mappings I had noticed the life was shortened slightly but no more then 30 min ! Has anyone else had this issue of such a dramatic increase in power use ? I do recall the Audi saying he also upgraded the software in the processor , I'm wondering if this has something to do with it . > > Neil > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 I've only had one mapping with the N5 since I got it in May. I don't know when I'm supposed to go back for another one. If you mean Deedee , I sent her 2 emailed, the first one she responded to the second one she didn't. d Battery life N5 > > > > > > > > Hi > > I just had a mapping done on Tuesday as I was at maximum volume and had > non reserve left ! The next day I noticed that my rechargeable battery ,I > use the small ones ,only lasted for 6 hours. Previous to the mapping I was > getting 9.5 to 10 hours from the battery , after previous mappings I had > noticed the life was shortened slightly but no more then 30 min ! Has > anyone else had this issue of such a dramatic increase in power use ? I do > recall the Audi saying he also upgraded the software in the processor , > I'm wondering if this has something to do with it . > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 you are waaaayyyyy overdue for a mapping. Make an appt. asap Happy Hearing! Carol Boca Raton, FL Cochlear America Nucleus 24C - left ear - Sprint 12/11/01 then 3G then upgraded to Freedom on 2/19/08 Cochlear America Freedom right ear -implanted 3/01/06 - activated 4/06/06 - upgraded to Nucleus 5 on 8/30/2011 From: Hubschman Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:45 PM Subject: Re: Re: Battery life N5 I've only had one mapping with the N5 since I got it in May. I don't know when I'm supposed to go back for another one. If you mean Deedee , I sent her 2 emailed, the first one she responded to the second one she didn't. d Battery life N5 > > > > > > > > Hi > > I just had a mapping done on Tuesday as I was at maximum volume and had > non reserve left ! The next day I noticed that my rechargeable battery ,I > use the small ones ,only lasted for 6 hours. Previous to the mapping I was > getting 9.5 to 10 hours from the battery , after previous mappings I had > noticed the life was shortened slightly but no more then 30 min ! Has > anyone else had this issue of such a dramatic increase in power use ? I do > recall the Audi saying he also upgraded the software in the processor , > I'm wondering if this has something to do with it . > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 My audi told me the same thing - that rechargable batteries hear better. I don't notice much difference. the recjhargables are louder and yes, do last longer. Re: Battery life N5 The speed of the map is new to me. What is the advantage of a faster speed? How does that impact hearing ability? And the reverse, what does a slower speed do? Thanks, Bobbi > > Trish, I agree that sound quality is very important. > One thing that might help with battery power is the speed at which the map is set. The faster the speed, the more battery power is eaten up quicker. Some people hear better at slower speeds and that saves with battery power. For some people, it takes a little time to get used to slower speeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Wanda, My audi is at OHSU in Portland Oregon. He is great but he will do what I want...or what I think I want. Then he goes from there. No doubt there are audis with little experience. They need someone (a rep from the company) to stand over their shoulder during mappings so they can learn. I dont have the N5 but will decide in November if I want it and of course I want it. I think each company should create a primer for new implantees, one that is basic but not so simple that it could be offensive in terms of intelligibility. How often we hear people say, speed, what speed? Or those who dont understand the diferences between disposable and rechargeable technology. Then the new implantee would not be at such a disadvantage that they need to blindly trust their audi. Quote of the nanosecond... Practice safe eating - always use condiments. & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- Gone.to.Dawgs@... Home Page- http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ Re: Battery life N5 > > > > > > > > Hi trish > > Yes it is very annoying ! I have always used the small battery as the > > large one rubs and leaves my ear sore , the small battery is supposably > > rated for twelve hours and the large 18 hrs with it now using twice as > > much power I guess I would only get 9 out of the large one now ! Still > > hardly acceptable ! > > Neil > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 I upgraded from the Freedom to the N5 just last week. My battery lasts the same amount of time as my Freedom rechargeable..... about 17-18 hours. Happy Hearing! Carol Boca Raton, FL Cochlear America Nucleus 24C - left ear - Sprint 12/11/01 then 3G then upgraded to Freedom on 2/19/08 Cochlear America Freedom right ear -implanted 3/01/06 - activated 4/06/06 - upgraded to Nucleus 5 on 8/30/2011 From: C Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 8:56 PM Subject: Re: Battery life N5 Wanda, My audi is at OHSU in Portland Oregon. He is great but he will do what I want...or what I think I want. Then he goes from there. No doubt there are audis with little experience. They need someone (a rep from the company) to stand over their shoulder during mappings so they can learn. I dont have the N5 but will decide in November if I want it and of course I want it. I think each company should create a primer for new implantees, one that is basic but not so simple that it could be offensive in terms of intelligibility. How often we hear people say, speed, what speed? Or those who dont understand the diferences between disposable and rechargeable technology. Then the new implantee would not be at such a disadvantage that they need to blindly trust their audi. Quote of the nanosecond... Practice safe eating - always use condiments. & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- mailto:Gone.to.Dawgs%40gmail.com Home Page- http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ Re: Battery life N5 > > > > > > > > Hi trish > > Yes it is very annoying ! I have always used the small battery as the > > large one rubs and leaves my ear sore , the small battery is supposably > > rated for twelve hours and the large 18 hrs with it now using twice as > > much power I guess I would only get 9 out of the large one now ! Still > > hardly acceptable ! > > Neil > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 I think Wanda makes a valid point.  We are at the mercy of the person who is manipulating the software.  Just as with hearing aid manufacturers, CI manufacturers want the consumers to deal with the audiologists.  I am a full-fledged techie and have been studying electronics, computers, and sound processing for years.  I know the fundamentals of audio processing inside and out.  But I've only had a cochlear implant for a few months, and early on I decided that the CI was new territory and I would yield to the people who knew what they were doing.  However, I'm starting to get the feeling that, besides the difference in delivering the audio to the brain, the basic principles governing sound collection and processing it are basically the same as hearing aids.  Which means that adjustment of the processor beyond the default settings is pretty much subjective...and dependent on the experience and skill of the audiologist. That's exactly why I have resisted going back for re-mappings.  All of the internal leads are showing perfect resistance readings, which I would think would affect the need to re-map.  So, at least with me, the variables involved are limited to the processing options that are enabled through the software.  As a long time hearing aid user, I've been down this road many times before.  It's basically experimentation, and I just can't afford to ride out a bad setting until the next audiologist appointment. So my plan is to really analyze what the CI is doing...and that takes time.  When I fully understand how my brain is reacting to this input, I may decide to go back in and ask the audiologist for a certain kind of adjustment.  Otherwise, we're both groping in the dark.  Because usually the audi is trying to please the user, and is changing settings based on subjective feedback, which may or may not be accurate.  Jim  Somewhere in the Midwest ________________________________ From: Wanda Cassel <w.cassel@...> " " < > Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 2:34 PM Subject: Re: Battery life N5  , where are you located? You must have one heck of an Audi who really puts your best best interest at heart? I have read and read some of your post and try and use it to help in my my situations but wow, I believe there are very inexperienced Audis out there that really are at a loss themselves. As a for instance. I wanted to be able to use Zoom. My Audi worked and worked on it and finally told me I needed to contact Cochlear America she just could not remember how to do it or install it. Called Cochlear America told me need to go back to my Audi. Needless to say I still don't have it. Now nothing against mine. But they are not all as experienced as it sounds as yours. I have the same problem. My large rechargeable only last a little less than 6 hours when it use to last 2 1/2 days. Problem? Yes. Not sure what. But if this is a forum we really need to address the good and the bad so everyone can work together for the solution. It would be interesting how many N-5 wearers are having this problem. Freedom and other may not have these problems, just curious. For it is very frustrating. I am sure there is an answer. We just need to find it. Sent from my iPad On Sep 8, 2011, at 10:40 AM, C <gone.to.dawgs@...> wrote: > Trish and others, > You need to remember some basics. The rechargeable and disposable > batteries are two very different beasts. You cannot expect them to work the > same way, they dont. The rechargeable is very efficient in that you do not > use and dispose of dead batteries. Sure, you need to charge them nightly. > > Now this applies to both types of batteries. How long they last depends > on many factors, the biggest one is the maps. They can be either power > efficient or power hungry. Some people accept the tradeoffs and accept > shorter battery life for better sound quality. But the audi can create maps > that are both power efficient and also give great sound quality. His > software has a battery meter that shows this. It would be well worth the > effort to tweak the maps to get more out of your batteries. > > With my Freedom, I can expect a day or two from the rechargeable and > about a week or so on disposables. > > If you are not happy with the current maps, you need to get pushy and > get those maps tweaked. > > Quote of the nanosecond... > Enjoy when you can, and endure when you must. > --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe > & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn > E-mail- > Gone.to.Dawgs@... > Home Page- > http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ > > Re: Battery life N5 > > > > > > > > Hi trish > > Yes it is very annoying ! I have always used the small battery as the > > large one rubs and leaves my ear sore , the small battery is supposably > > rated for twelve hours and the large 18 hrs with it now using twice as > > much power I guess I would only get 9 out of the large one now ! Still > > hardly acceptable ! > > Neil > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Wow, I am excited. That is where I am going very soon. Totally disappointed with my present setup. When I saw Dr. McMennemy, was a breath of fresh air. So yes, very frustrating when patients have to hold the hand of Audi's to get help. All should be trained and given refresher courses to keep them up to speed. Not the patients, coming up with the help they need. Audi's should be pulling for the best possible for all. Sent from my iPad On Sep 8, 2011, at 5:56 PM, C <gone.to.dawgs@...> wrote: > > Practice safe eating - always use condiments. > & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn > E-mail- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 To put it in a nutshell, you said " Because usually the audi is trying to please the user, and is changing settings based on subjective feedback, which may or may not be accurate. " And that is it. Except the word pleasing I think is a bit off the mark. For we are the ones who are receiving the benefits of the audi's programming and he is dependent, as you suggest, on our feedback. Not everyone is knowledgeable about sound as you are yet the audi is the constant here, who must work with people like you, and people who do not have that level of understanding. Tough spot to be in. Quote of the nanosecond... " The difference between pornography and erotica is lighting. " --Gloria Leonard & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- Gone.to.Dawgs@... Home Page- http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ Re: Battery life N5 > > > > > > > > Hi trish > > Yes it is very annoying ! I have always used the small battery as the > > large one rubs and leaves my ear sore , the small battery is supposably > > rated for twelve hours and the large 18 hrs with it now using twice as > > much power I guess I would only get 9 out of the large one now ! Still > > hardly acceptable ! > > Neil > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 You got it, Wanda. Those two at UHSU are wonderful people and they would love to help me go bilateral if they could. Medicare, of course, is the pot hole. Quote of the nanosecond... People must not do things for fun. We are not here for fun. There is no reference to fun in any Act of Parliament. & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- Gone.to.Dawgs@... Home Page- http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ Re: Battery life N5 Wow, I am excited. That is where I am going very soon. Totally disappointed with my present setup. When I saw Dr. McMennemy, was a breath of fresh air. So yes, very frustrating when patients have to hold the hand of Audi's to get help. All should be trained and given refresher courses to keep them up to speed. Not the patients, coming up with the help they need. Audi's should be pulling for the best possible for all. Sent from my iPad On Sep 8, 2011, at 5:56 PM, C <gone.to.dawgs@...> wrote: > > Practice safe eating - always use condiments. > & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn > E-mail- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Jim, you have explained it very well. When you can go in doing fair and come out doing horrible. That is a Real problem. And is going on a lot more than is being addressed because of fear of being labeled a complainer. Which is sad. There are answers and IF we all as CI wearers work together and not against, I believe the problems will be solved. But really those that are having issues need to feel good about addressing it. I have and will. I had literally, spent days on end crying because I felt I was not getting ANY help from my Audi. Had told my Audi, never dreamed hearing could hurt sooo bad. But now, I know I am heading in the right direction. Changed Audi! And from the start they have let me know I was right. Things were very messed up! Change is coming and won't stop until it is back to good. I was to the point I thought it was the N-5 processor causing the problem. No, bad mapping, I am being told. We will see in time. I feel good about it. Sent from my iPad On Sep 8, 2011, at 6:17 PM, JIM WILLIAMS <jimwms@...> wrote: > I think Wanda makes a valid point. We are at the mercy of the person who is manipulating the software. Just as with hearing aid manufacturers, CI manufacturers want the consumers to deal with the audiologists. > > I am a full-fledged techie and have been studying electronics, computers, and sound processing for years. I know the fundamentals of audio processing inside and out. > > But I've only had a cochlear implant for a few months, and early on I decided that the CI was new territory and I would yield to the people who knew what they were doing. However, I'm starting to get the feeling that, besides the difference in delivering the audio to the brain, the basic principles governing sound collection and processing it are basically the same as hearing aids. Which means that adjustment of the processor beyond the default settings is pretty much subjective...and dependent on the experience and skill of the audiologist. > > That's exactly why I have resisted going back for re-mappings. All of the internal leads are showing perfect resistance readings, which I would think would affect the need to re-map. So, at least with me, the variables involved are limited to the processing options that are enabled through the software. As a long time hearing aid user, I've been down this road many times before. It's basically experimentation, and I just can't afford to ride out a bad setting until the next audiologist appointment. > > So my plan is to really analyze what the CI is doing...and that takes time. When I fully understand how my brain is reacting to this input, I may decide to go back in and ask the audiologist for a certain kind of adjustment. Otherwise, we're both groping in the dark. Because usually the audi is trying to please the user, and is changing settings based on subjective feedback, which may or may not be accurate. > > Jim > Somewhere in the Midwest > > ________________________________ > From: Wanda Cassel <w.cassel@...> > " " < > > Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 2:34 PM > Subject: Re: Battery life N5 > > > , where are you located? You must have one heck of an Audi who really puts your best best interest at heart? I have read and read some of your post and try and use it to help in my my situations but wow, I believe there are very inexperienced Audis out there that really are at a loss themselves. As a for instance. I wanted to be able to use Zoom. My Audi worked and worked on it and finally told me I needed to contact Cochlear America she just could not remember how to do it or install it. Called Cochlear America told me need to go back to my Audi. Needless to say I still don't have it. Now nothing against mine. But they are not all as experienced as it sounds as yours. > I have the same problem. My large rechargeable only last a little less than 6 hours when it use to last 2 1/2 days. Problem? Yes. Not sure what. But if this is a forum we really need to address the good and the bad so everyone can work together for the solution. It would be interesting how many N-5 wearers are having this problem. Freedom and other may not have these problems, just curious. For it is very frustrating. I am sure there is an answer. We just need to find it. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 8, 2011, at 10:40 AM, C <gone.to.dawgs@...> wrote: > > > Trish and others, > > You need to remember some basics. The rechargeable and disposable > > batteries are two very different beasts. You cannot expect them to work the > > same way, they dont. The rechargeable is very efficient in that you do not > > use and dispose of dead batteries. Sure, you need to charge them nightly. > > > > Now this applies to both types of batteries. How long they last depends > > on many factors, the biggest one is the maps. They can be either power > > efficient or power hungry. Some people accept the tradeoffs and accept > > shorter battery life for better sound quality. But the audi can create maps > > that are both power efficient and also give great sound quality. His > > software has a battery meter that shows this. It would be well worth the > > effort to tweak the maps to get more out of your batteries. > > > > With my Freedom, I can expect a day or two from the rechargeable and > > about a week or so on disposables. > > > > If you are not happy with the current maps, you need to get pushy and > > get those maps tweaked. > > > > Quote of the nanosecond... > > Enjoy when you can, and endure when you must. > > --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe > > & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn > > E-mail- > > Gone.to.Dawgs@... > > Home Page- > > http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ > > > > Re: Battery life N5 > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi trish > > > Yes it is very annoying ! I have always used the small battery as the > > > large one rubs and leaves my ear sore , the small battery is supposably > > > rated for twelve hours and the large 18 hrs with it now using twice as > > > much power I guess I would only get 9 out of the large one now ! Still > > > hardly acceptable ! > > > Neil > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Thank you . I am so excited to be working with them. I am bilateral. But get this, only mapped ONCE after implant on right. And that was A year ago last July! Don't know why!! My new center is at a loss but they are anxiously awaiting to get on it. What a breath of fresh air! I wish you well on your bilateral. Maybe will see you there. Fingers crossed! Sent from my iPad On Sep 8, 2011, at 7:08 PM, C <gone.to.dawgs@...> wrote: > You got it, Wanda. Those two at UHSU are wonderful people and they > would love to help me go bilateral if they could. Medicare, of course, is > the pot hole. > > Quote of the nanosecond... > People must not do things for fun. We are not here for fun. There is no > reference to fun in any Act of Parliament. > & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn > E-mail- > Gone.to.Dawgs@... > Home Page- > http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ > > Re: Battery life N5 > > Wow, I am excited. That is where I am going very soon. Totally disappointed > with my present setup. When I saw Dr. McMennemy, was a breath of fresh air. > So yes, very frustrating when patients have to hold the hand of Audi's to > get help. All should be trained and given refresher courses to keep them up > to speed. Not the patients, coming up with the help they need. Audi's > should be pulling for the best possible for all. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 8, 2011, at 5:56 PM, C <gone.to.dawgs@...> wrote: > > > > > Practice safe eating - always use condiments. > > & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn > > E-mail- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Wanda, That is great!  I think you know when something is finally going on the right track.  It's a feeling, and usually very accurate. I don't know what the answer is.  Most people assume the audiologist understands everything.  So if and when the CI doesn't work out, they figure " it wasn't meant for me " and they give up.  The other issue that has an influence is the fact that C.I. audiologists are few and far between.  Also, many of them focus on children and their need for language development and socialization.  Jim ________________________________ From: Wanda Cassel <w.cassel@...> " " < > Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 10:11 PM Subject: Re: Battery life N5  Jim, you have explained it very well. When you can go in doing fair and come out doing horrible. That is a Real problem. And is going on a lot more than is being addressed because of fear of being labeled a complainer. Which is sad. There are answers and IF we all as CI wearers work together and not against, I believe the problems will be solved. But really those that are having issues need to feel good about addressing it. I have and will. I had literally, spent days on end crying because I felt I was not getting ANY help from my Audi. Had told my Audi, never dreamed hearing could hurt sooo bad. But now, I know I am heading in the right direction. Changed Audi! And from the start they have let me know I was right. Things were very messed up! Change is coming and won't stop until it is back to good. I was to the point I thought it was the N-5 processor causing the problem. No, bad mapping, I am being told. We will see in time. I feel good about it. Sent from my iPad On Sep 8, 2011, at 6:17 PM, JIM WILLIAMS <jimwms@...> wrote: > I think Wanda makes a valid point. We are at the mercy of the person who is manipulating the software. Just as with hearing aid manufacturers, CI manufacturers want the consumers to deal with the audiologists. > > I am a full-fledged techie and have been studying electronics, computers, and sound processing for years. I know the fundamentals of audio processing inside and out. > > But I've only had a cochlear implant for a few months, and early on I decided that the CI was new territory and I would yield to the people who knew what they were doing. However, I'm starting to get the feeling that, besides the difference in delivering the audio to the brain, the basic principles governing sound collection and processing it are basically the same as hearing aids. Which means that adjustment of the processor beyond the default settings is pretty much subjective...and dependent on the experience and skill of the audiologist. > > That's exactly why I have resisted going back for re-mappings. All of the internal leads are showing perfect resistance readings, which I would think would affect the need to re-map. So, at least with me, the variables involved are limited to the processing options that are enabled through the software. As a long time hearing aid user, I've been down this road many times before. It's basically experimentation, and I just can't afford to ride out a bad setting until the next audiologist appointment. > > So my plan is to really analyze what the CI is doing...and that takes time. When I fully understand how my brain is reacting to this input, I may decide to go back in and ask the audiologist for a certain kind of adjustment. Otherwise, we're both groping in the dark. Because usually the audi is trying to please the user, and is changing settings based on subjective feedback, which may or may not be accurate. > > Jim > Somewhere in the Midwest > > ________________________________ > From: Wanda Cassel <w.cassel@...> > " " < > > Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 2:34 PM > Subject: Re: Battery life N5 > > > , where are you located? You must have one heck of an Audi who really puts your best best interest at heart? I have read and read some of your post and try and use it to help in my my situations but wow, I believe there are very inexperienced Audis out there that really are at a loss themselves. As a for instance. I wanted to be able to use Zoom. My Audi worked and worked on it and finally told me I needed to contact Cochlear America she just could not remember how to do it or install it. Called Cochlear America told me need to go back to my Audi. Needless to say I still don't have it. Now nothing against mine. But they are not all as experienced as it sounds as yours. > I have the same problem. My large rechargeable only last a little less than 6 hours when it use to last 2 1/2 days. Problem? Yes. Not sure what. But if this is a forum we really need to address the good and the bad so everyone can work together for the solution. It would be interesting how many N-5 wearers are having this problem. Freedom and other may not have these problems, just curious. For it is very frustrating. I am sure there is an answer. We just need to find it. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 8, 2011, at 10:40 AM, C <gone.to.dawgs@...> wrote: > > > Trish and others, > > You need to remember some basics. The rechargeable and disposable > > batteries are two very different beasts. You cannot expect them to work the > > same way, they dont. The rechargeable is very efficient in that you do not > > use and dispose of dead batteries. Sure, you need to charge them nightly. > > > > Now this applies to both types of batteries. How long they last depends > > on many factors, the biggest one is the maps. They can be either power > > efficient or power hungry. Some people accept the tradeoffs and accept > > shorter battery life for better sound quality. But the audi can create maps > > that are both power efficient and also give great sound quality. His > > software has a battery meter that shows this. It would be well worth the > > effort to tweak the maps to get more out of your batteries. > > > > With my Freedom, I can expect a day or two from the rechargeable and > > about a week or so on disposables. > > > > If you are not happy with the current maps, you need to get pushy and > > get those maps tweaked. > > > > Quote of the nanosecond... > > Enjoy when you can, and endure when you must. > > --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe > > & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn > > E-mail- > > Gone.to.Dawgs@... > > Home Page- > > http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ > > > > Re: Battery life N5 > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi trish > > > Yes it is very annoying ! I have always used the small battery as the > > > large one rubs and leaves my ear sore , the small battery is supposably > > > rated for twelve hours and the large 18 hrs with it now using twice as > > > much power I guess I would only get 9 out of the large one now ! Still > > > hardly acceptable ! > > > Neil > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Jim, Very true. Good luck on your CI journey. Wanda Sent from my iPad On Sep 8, 2011, at 8:41 PM, JIM WILLIAMS <jimwms@...> wrote: > Wanda, > > That is great! I think you know when something is finally going on the right track. It's a feeling, and usually very accurate. > > I don't know what the answer is. Most people assume the audiologist understands everything. So if and when the CI doesn't work out, they figure " it wasn't meant for me " and they give up. The other issue that has an influence is the fact that C.I. audiologists are few and far between. Also, many of them focus on children and their need for language development and socialization. > > Jim > > ________________________________ > From: Wanda Cassel <w.cassel@...> > " " < > > Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 10:11 PM > Subject: Re: Battery life N5 > > > Jim, you have explained it very well. When you can go in doing fair and come out doing horrible. That is a Real problem. And is going on a lot more than is being addressed because of fear of being labeled a complainer. Which is sad. There are answers and IF we all as CI wearers work together and not against, I believe the problems will be solved. But really those that are having issues need to feel good about addressing it. I have and will. > I had literally, spent days on end crying because I felt I was not getting ANY help from my Audi. Had told my Audi, never dreamed hearing could hurt sooo bad. But now, I know I am heading in the right direction. Changed Audi! And from the start they have let me know I was right. Things were very messed up! Change is coming and won't stop until it is back to good. > I was to the point I thought it was the N-5 processor causing the problem. No, bad mapping, I am being told. We will see in time. I feel good about it. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 8, 2011, at 6:17 PM, JIM WILLIAMS <jimwms@...> wrote: > > > I think Wanda makes a valid point. We are at the mercy of the person who is manipulating the software. Just as with hearing aid manufacturers, CI manufacturers want the consumers to deal with the audiologists. > > > > I am a full-fledged techie and have been studying electronics, computers, and sound processing for years. I know the fundamentals of audio processing inside and out. > > > > But I've only had a cochlear implant for a few months, and early on I decided that the CI was new territory and I would yield to the people who knew what they were doing. However, I'm starting to get the feeling that, besides the difference in delivering the audio to the brain, the basic principles governing sound collection and processing it are basically the same as hearing aids. Which means that adjustment of the processor beyond the default settings is pretty much subjective...and dependent on the experience and skill of the audiologist. > > > > That's exactly why I have resisted going back for re-mappings. All of the internal leads are showing perfect resistance readings, which I would think would affect the need to re-map. So, at least with me, the variables involved are limited to the processing options that are enabled through the software. As a long time hearing aid user, I've been down this road many times before. It's basically experimentation, and I just can't afford to ride out a bad setting until the next audiologist appointment. > > > > So my plan is to really analyze what the CI is doing...and that takes time. When I fully understand how my brain is reacting to this input, I may decide to go back in and ask the audiologist for a certain kind of adjustment. Otherwise, we're both groping in the dark. Because usually the audi is trying to please the user, and is changing settings based on subjective feedback, which may or may not be accurate. > > > > Jim > > Somewhere in the Midwest > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Wanda Cassel <w.cassel@...> > > " " < > > > Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 2:34 PM > > Subject: Re: Battery life N5 > > > > > > , where are you located? You must have one heck of an Audi who really puts your best best interest at heart? I have read and read some of your post and try and use it to help in my my situations but wow, I believe there are very inexperienced Audis out there that really are at a loss themselves. As a for instance. I wanted to be able to use Zoom. My Audi worked and worked on it and finally told me I needed to contact Cochlear America she just could not remember how to do it or install it. Called Cochlear America told me need to go back to my Audi. Needless to say I still don't have it. Now nothing against mine. But they are not all as experienced as it sounds as yours. > > I have the same problem. My large rechargeable only last a little less than 6 hours when it use to last 2 1/2 days. Problem? Yes. Not sure what. But if this is a forum we really need to address the good and the bad so everyone can work together for the solution. It would be interesting how many N-5 wearers are having this problem. Freedom and other may not have these problems, just curious. For it is very frustrating. I am sure there is an answer. We just need to find it. > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Sep 8, 2011, at 10:40 AM, C <gone.to.dawgs@...> wrote: > > > > > Trish and others, > > > You need to remember some basics. The rechargeable and disposable > > > batteries are two very different beasts. You cannot expect them to work the > > > same way, they dont. The rechargeable is very efficient in that you do not > > > use and dispose of dead batteries. Sure, you need to charge them nightly. > > > > > > Now this applies to both types of batteries. How long they last depends > > > on many factors, the biggest one is the maps. They can be either power > > > efficient or power hungry. Some people accept the tradeoffs and accept > > > shorter battery life for better sound quality. But the audi can create maps > > > that are both power efficient and also give great sound quality. His > > > software has a battery meter that shows this. It would be well worth the > > > effort to tweak the maps to get more out of your batteries. > > > > > > With my Freedom, I can expect a day or two from the rechargeable and > > > about a week or so on disposables. > > > > > > If you are not happy with the current maps, you need to get pushy and > > > get those maps tweaked. > > > > > > Quote of the nanosecond... > > > Enjoy when you can, and endure when you must. > > > --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe > > > & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn > > > E-mail- > > > Gone.to.Dawgs@... > > > Home Page- > > > http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ > > > > > > Re: Battery life N5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi trish > > > > Yes it is very annoying ! I have always used the small battery as the > > > > large one rubs and leaves my ear sore , the small battery is supposably > > > > rated for twelve hours and the large 18 hrs with it now using twice as > > > > much power I guess I would only get 9 out of the large one now ! Still > > > > hardly acceptable ! > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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