Re: Digest Number 174

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Re: Robin's post

As another reader pointed out, Carly's clothing and texture sensitivities and

even fears about her peers may be a result of a sensory integration difficulty

which is treated by an occupational therapist. Look at The Out of Sync Child by

Carol Stock Kranowicz for description of SI dysfunction and a questionnaire to

assess whether this fits. Children with these difficulties are basically having

difficulty gating out certain sensory messages- e.g., sticky, tight, contact

etc- and this can lead to anxiety and avoidance. OT is very helpful in treating

children with these difficulties-

especially young children.

In terms of the separation anxiety- this also may be exacerbated by the SI

issues (if they are there). Meanwhile, when a task is too hard, make it

smaller. I have families start with " in-house " separations, e.g., can Carly go

upstairs with out you- can she spend time in her room when you are downstairs,

etc.

A good book for anxiety basics is Dr. Katharina Manassis, Keys to Parenting Your

Anxious Child, in the Barrons Parenting Series.

Also, it's OK if Carly argues with you about Miss Picky Pants- this is the age

of normal oppositional behavior- so she is going to need to say no and disagree.

Ask her for another name, or just let it go- focus on what she wants to be doing

instead.

Re: School aged children with OCD

The statistic that is often quoted for OCD is 1 in 200 school children have OCD.

Overall estimates for OCD in the US are 1 million children.

Re: Behavior Therapy " Slump "

Sometimes when a child is tiring of the hard work in behavior therapy, it's time

to take stock of the goals already reached- have a party, a special dinner, a

special treat to help jump start momentum for the next phase. Does your son's

behavior therapist know that his interest is waning? Perhaps together you can

decide on reasonable acknowledgements for success. I think that incentives and

rewards can work very well for some kids- they are not bribes, they are earned

by your child's hard work.

Re: Luvox problems

Someone mentioned a child on 25 mg of Luvox. While everyone wants a child to be

on the lowest effective dosage of a medication, average Luvox dosages are

significantly higher:200 mg, range- 100-300this is reported in the Journal of

Clinical Psychiatry 1997 Expert Consensus Guidelines for OCD.

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The following is from Dr. Gerson's website http://www.gerson.com

A very important part of the Gerson Therapy is frequent detoxification of

the tissues and blood. This is accomplished through a variety of means,

first and foremost through the use of coffee enemas.

The scientific basis for the use of coffee enemas is well documented, and

can be obtained from the Gerson Institute. Patients report that the enemas

decrease pain and hasten healing. Biologically, enzyme systems of the gut

wall and liver are stimulated, and bile flow is increased. This has been

shown to enhance the body's ability to eliminate toxic residues from

environmental, chemotherapeutic, and other sources. Tumor and other

diseased tissue is also more rapidly eliminated as it is broken down.

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>Message: 7

> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:09:57 -0500

> From: " Holly " <dio7g@...>

>Subject: Re: Coffee enema

>

>I consider it very important and that 40% more

>stones and junk are expelled if you do one as

>part of the program.

>

>It is a strong coffee enema with about 4 tablespoons of coffee.

>Made the night before. Boil/simmer for 15 minutes.

>It also has 4 tablespoons of Epsom salts dissolved

>in it. One quart of water.

>

>Enema done when you wake up the next day.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

While this is true, and I am most definitely NOT 'against' the use

of coffee enemas for purposes of detoxification, there is a healthier

alternative for anyone who might be interested...

Wheatgrass juice enemas. Although there are no official studies

comparing these to coffee enemas, Anne Wigmore claims in one

of her books (can't remember which one offhand) that the use of

wheatgrass juice is even MORe stimulating to the liver than coffee.

Personally, I have done it once, and it was VERY invigorating.

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From: <lraskin@...>

<gallstonesonelist>

Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 9:31 AM

Subject: Re: Digest Number 174

> From: lraskin@...

>

> The following is from Dr. Gerson's website http://www.gerson.com

>

> A very important part of the Gerson Therapy is frequent detoxification of

> the tissues and blood. This is accomplished through a variety of means,

> first and foremost through the use of coffee enemas.

>

> The scientific basis for the use of coffee enemas is well documented, and

> can be obtained from the Gerson Institute.

<snip>

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Good Morning To all and Welcome to all the new ones to the list!

I have response to several of the posts lately.

GRETCHEN: I fall forward most of the time when I fall and I usually turn

something. Recently, fractured my great toe on right foot in two places.

My knees crackle and pop allot; feels like they are going to " buckle " and do

sometimes and I go down.

Lately, I have trouble getting out of bed every morning because it seems my

lower back is out after sleeping. (can't stand up and walk and have hard

time getting off bed or chair) I'm wondering if this might be a problem due

to muscle atrophy causing more tightness in the tendons and ligaments which

make me very stiff in the mornings until I get every thing stretched out

again. The pain in the lower back can last for several hours after I get up,

but seems the more I get up and move (getting it stretched out) it leaves.

Just very painful to move so its hard! But, then same thing again next

morning. This started happening after I fell and broke my toe, and thought

because I had to stay off feet and just sitting mostly maybe allowed muscles

to atrophy causing the tendons to draw more and just hard to keep them

stretched with muscle changes that have possibly happened. Also it seems

like my lower legs are weaker and I'm stressing my knees and thighs more

now, my legs are tender to the touch all over and knees ache and feel like

someone took a ball bat to them when I walk.

I have a pending order in for a Jazzy Power chair, but Medicare only pays

80% and I can't afford the other 20% our of my family budget. No other

insurance. I have contacted MDA to help me with the rest but I have never

seen one of their Physicians and they require you get a prescription from

their own physicians in order to get help with them. I'm not scheduled to

see the doc (MDA is slow to get you in Here) until Mar. 28 and that is

awhile yet to keep dealing with the pain. Also, I don't know if they will

put me through lots more testing before giving me a prescription or just

look at me and talk to me to determine my need. My physician wanted me to

get a chair back in early Sept this year and I've put off using the

prescription till now but I am seeing the need at least for part of the

time. After I get MDA approval it will still take three more weeks to get

it. Also, for the use of the chair in the kitchen, do any of you know if MDA

will approve paying for a chair with a lift seat? Medicare won't deem it a

necessity and won't pay on that and it is another $998 added to an already

$6000 chair MOL. I know I won't get help one nether one for at least 5 to 7

yrs so I need to get all options I may need in that time for progression

seems to have escalated for me and hasn't slowed in two years. I have great

weakness in forearms and wrist and hands aware very difficult to use; so I

feel in my case the lift would me needed greatly to function. Any ideas on

other sources of help for that other 20% would be appreciated in case MDA

won't help me.

Here is a link sent to me by a Disabled parent of two young children like

myself; She has CP and a very good support for me. Her children are the same

ages as mine so its been good to have her share how she gets everything

done that a mother has to do for young ones.

http://www.familyvillage.wisc.edu/index.htmlx Thought there might be some

of you who would enjoy this site and its suggestions and helps. I've

bookmarker it too.

On the subject of Disabled housing I've appreciated the input from all of

you as to pros and cons; My husband is a builder and we are trying to sell

our house and build a more efficient home for my condition but keeping in

mind the resale value and appeal too. We are looking into stair lifts

because it is more efficient to build a multi-level home by having more use

of the square footage under less roof. But, also considering that even

people who aren't physically challenged don't like to climb stairs ( we or

more spoiled and sedentary in today's times) on a daily basis. so, it helps

to hear how all of you feel and what you would consider; for this is all new

to me! I used to love a multi-level home for my daily work out was built in

to daily living but I have to realize not everyone looks at it this way.

KIM: My hands were the first thing to go; or at least I noticed the problems

with them more. I just accepted the problems with my feet and legs from the

beginning because I'd had mild trouble as a very young child and had learned

to compensate and adapt and even think of it as " normal " for me. When I

started getting severe muscle wasting in the hands and others started

noticing them and asking what was wrong with them, I begin to realize it

wasn't normal. But, even then I thought it was arthritis. But, I would

consider anything you have to do repetitive with your hands to be a concern

for it will stress that area more which in theory can and will cause more

progression. I was a commercial window cleaner with my own business for over

ten years and this really took a toll on my hands. I am barely able to write

a check and get it signed before my hand cramps and freezes or locks on me.

I can't take or pick up coins out of my change purse so I use mostly bills

and empty change into kids piggy banks when it gets too full! LOL Kids love

that ! And typing is a frustration for me, and causes my hands to hurt and

ache severely! There are ways to over come any obstacle but it might pose a

bigger challenge in finding it than the challenge your originally started

with. . so just consider whether you have the energy to expend in any

endeavor. " Count the cost before pursuing. "

Okay this was a long winded reply but I did cover many subjects. TTYL

L Libby

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-----Original Message-----

From: Libby Bond <charnicoma@...>

onelist <onelist>

Date: Sunday, February 27, 2000 9:53 AM

Subject: Re: [] Digest Number 174

>From: " Libby Bond " <charnicoma@...>

>

>My knees crackle and pop allot; feels like they are going to " buckle " and

do

>sometimes and I go down.

>

>Lately, I have trouble getting out of bed every morning because it seems my

>lower back is out after sleeping. (can't stand up and walk and have hard

>time getting off bed or chair) I'm wondering if this might be a problem due

>to muscle atrophy causing more tightness in the tendons and ligaments which

>make me very stiff in the mornings until I get every thing stretched out

>again. Libby, last week my Dr. gave me knee braces to

wear in addition to my afos because, I have lost so much more muscles in my

legs that my knee joints are stressed and the knee caps slip and slide! He

alos said I have lost more thigh muscles, it is getting harder to walk any

distance, my legs tire and hurt. As to your back, I think you are correct

about the muscles and atrophy and tendons stress due to atrophy of those

muscles, I have had more back problems, cramps, achinging stiffness this

past 2 months, I too cannot get out of bed at first, there is stiffness and

pain. It is harder to raise my self out of a chair. It gets better about

mid-morning, then starts in again later in the day. The more I do the worse

it gets. It makes sense that when we loose one muscle, the other remaining

ones are stressed. I am trying to stay out of the KAFO's my Dr. had wanted

me to get them several months ago. This is uncomfortable enough, I don't

like these knee support things! <Becky M.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/27/00 6:11:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,

klydesid@... writes:

<< What I really would like feedback about is whether or not there are others

among you who have experienced the sort of extended " progression-free "

periods of time I have had and if there are others who have had only

affected feet and legs...?

ANY feedback would be great. Thanks.

M

>>

I had no progression for years. I felt so good. Now the stress of my life has

kicked up my weakness and I am about to get AFOs. . I am 31.

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone. Marc here.

I read and read everyone's thoughtful and useful entries, and I am inspired

by the sharing I've found here, but I have a question which stays in the

front of my mind. It is this: Has everyone experienced an on-going

progression, in regards to symptoms? I am asking because I have experienced

very little progression in the last twenty+ years. It seems I was hit hard

at a young age (probably around five or younger and it progressed until I

was between sixteen and eighteen. I was falling constantly due to increasing

weakness and affected balance in those days. By the time I was fourteen I

was using AFOs and forearm crutches (I still use the crutches but threw out

the AFOs because they caused sores and I wanted to maintain the muscle

strength I had).

In addition to my question about continuous progression, I am curious about

" the hand/feet thing " (my term). I don't really have much trouble with my

hands (thank God - using the crutches would get tricky;0) ). But my feet and

legs are relatively severely affected.

What I really would like feedback about is whether or not there are others

among you who have experienced the sort of extended " progression-free "

periods of time I have had and if there are others who have had only

affected feet and legs...?

ANY feedback would be great. Thanks.

M

[Guest guest]

Yes, , stress is a killer!

.............................................................................

....

> >>

> I had no progression for years. I felt so good. Now the stress of my life

has

> kicked up my weakness and I am about to get AFOs. . I am 31.

>

[Guest guest]

Marc,

I was diagnosed at 6, and have always had slow mild progression until the

last year or so. I would typically notice a 6-9 month period of slight

progression and then stay stable for 2-3 years. This has been my pattern

untill I turned the wonderful age of 40! Now, at 41, I am noticing

progression occuring more quickly and more constant.

In addition to progression in my feet and recently hands, I am noticing a

hearing loss and in the last 6 months I have noticed problems with my voice.

My father (with CMT) also had a significant hearing loss. Not sure about

the voice thing but it does seem odd that I am losing my voice in my early

40's... I will be discussing this with the MDA docs at my next visit this

spring. It's (my voice) just not there all the time anymore. Like my legs

and hands, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't.

CMT is SO variable, no two cases seem to be exactly alike. Even in my own

family there is a wide range of specific symptoms.

Ruth

>From: " Regan, MD " <klydesid@...>

>Reply-onelist

><onelist>

>Subject: Re: [] Digest Number 174

>Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 18:10:47 -0800

>

>From: " Regan, MD " <klydesid@...>

>

>Hi everyone. Marc here.

>

>I read and read everyone's thoughtful and useful entries, and I am inspired

>by the sharing I've found here, but I have a question which stays in the

>front of my mind. It is this: Has everyone experienced an on-going

>progression, in regards to symptoms? I am asking because I have experienced

>very little progression in the last twenty+ years. It seems I was hit hard

>at a young age (probably around five or younger and it progressed until I

>was between sixteen and eighteen. I was falling constantly due to

>increasing

>weakness and affected balance in those days. By the time I was fourteen I

>was using AFOs and forearm crutches (I still use the crutches but threw out

>the AFOs because they caused sores and I wanted to maintain the muscle

>strength I had).

>

>In addition to my question about continuous progression, I am curious about

> " the hand/feet thing " (my term). I don't really have much trouble with my

>hands (thank God - using the crutches would get tricky;0) ). But my feet

>and

>legs are relatively severely affected.

>

>What I really would like feedback about is whether or not there are others

>among you who have experienced the sort of extended " progression-free "

>periods of time I have had and if there are others who have had only

>affected feet and legs...?

>

>ANY feedback would be great. Thanks.

> M

>

>

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In a message dated 2/28/00 9:47:03 AM Pacific Standard Time,

juliannefisher@... writes:

<< I would say that I've had long periods of time with no

progression, looking back, up to 10 years at a time.

nne >>

me too

jenny

[Guest guest]

I too had problems with voice cracking and going hoarse- i went to a nose

throat specialist and he discovered i had a paralysed vocal cord- and yes its

cmt related- phrenic nerve thing- hope this helps

Elena

[Guest guest]

Hi Marc --

I was not diagnosed until mid-forties, but as a kid I always laughed at

my curly toes and extremely high arches. I could barely walk through a

room without my feet connecting with a chair leg or something left on

the floor. I also had so much pain from leg cramps. My hands have

always been a little weak but I'm now having more problems with

them. However, I would say that I've had long periods of time with no

progression, looking back, up to 10 years at a time.

nne

-----Original Message-----

From: Regan, MD <klydesid@...>

onelist <onelist>

Date: Sunday, February 27, 2000 6:10 PM

Subject: Re: [] Digest Number 174

>From: " Regan, MD " <klydesid@...>

>

>Hi everyone. Marc here.

>

>I read and read everyone's thoughtful and useful entries, and I am inspired

>by the sharing I've found here, but I have a question which stays in the

>front of my mind. It is this: Has everyone experienced an on-going

>progression, in regards to symptoms? I am asking because I have experienced

>very little progression in the last twenty+ years. It seems I was hit hard

>at a young age (probably around five or younger and it progressed until I

>was between sixteen and eighteen. I was falling constantly due to

increasing

>weakness and affected balance in those days. By the time I was fourteen I

>was using AFOs and forearm crutches (I still use the crutches but threw out

>the AFOs because they caused sores and I wanted to maintain the muscle

>strength I had).

>

>In addition to my question about continuous progression, I am curious about

> " the hand/feet thing " (my term). I don't really have much trouble with my

>hands (thank God - using the crutches would get tricky;0) ). But my feet

and

>legs are relatively severely affected.

>

>What I really would like feedback about is whether or not there are others

>among you who have experienced the sort of extended " progression-free "

>periods of time I have had and if there are others who have had only

>affected feet and legs...?

>

>ANY feedback would be great. Thanks.

> M

>

>

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Hi Marc,

I was diagnosed with CMT at 39 years of age and up till that time I could do

just about anything even though it was a bit clumsily. At age 40, things

changed quite rapidly which I think mainly was due to stress due to ending a

20 year marriage and dealing with all the garbage that comes with that and

trying to raise three kids by myself. I was diagnosed with CMT type 1. I

now wear AFO's for work and can not believe how weak my legs have gotten in

the past two years. My hands are starting to get weaker also. I am a

mutation as there is no one in my family that has this disease. I am

definitely a believer that stress can wreak havoc where CMT is concerned.

That is just my two cents worth.

Betty

[Guest guest]

Thanks Elena,

I thought I had read info recently that the voicebox could be affected. At

least I don't rely on my voice to make a living!!!! So I guess it just gets

added to the list of challenges that make life interesting. I've got to

admit, I'm never bored!!!!!

By the way, how far has the voice thing progressed in your case?

Ruth

>From: whackomom@...

>Reply-onelist

>onelist

>Subject: Re: [] Digest Number 174

>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:07:12 EST

>

>From: whackomom@...

>

>I too had problems with voice cracking and going hoarse- i went to a nose

>throat specialist and he discovered i had a paralysed vocal cord- and yes

>its

>cmt related- phrenic nerve thing- hope this helps

>Elena

>

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so far only one side is affected- I have not had the guts to ask if the other

side may become affected as well. I am not sure I want to know the answer LOL

Elena

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/28/00 3:27:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, Buchie54@...

writes:

<< I am

definitely a believer that stress can wreak havoc where CMT is concerned.

That is just my two cents worth.

Betty >>

Me too

jenny

[Guest guest]

Hi Marc, Peggie here. I had at least 20 years with virtually no

progression. Then had some, then went about 8 years with none. Then the

big one hit! I know it is different for all, but, yes, you can go for many

many years without getting any worse.!!

----- Original Message -----

From: Regan, MD <klydesid@...>

<onelist>

Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2000 6:10 PM

Subject: Re: [] Digest Number 174

> From: " Regan, MD " <klydesid@...>

>

> Hi everyone. Marc here.

>

> I read and read everyone's thoughtful and useful entries, and I am

inspired

> by the sharing I've found here, but I have a question which stays in the

> front of my mind. It is this: Has everyone experienced an on-going

> progression, in regards to symptoms? I am asking because I have

experienced

> very little progression in the last twenty+ years. It seems I was hit hard

> at a young age (probably around five or younger and it progressed until I

> was between sixteen and eighteen. I was falling constantly due to

increasing

> weakness and affected balance in those days. By the time I was fourteen I

> was using AFOs and forearm crutches (I still use the crutches but threw

out

> the AFOs because they caused sores and I wanted to maintain the muscle

> strength I had).

>

> In addition to my question about continuous progression, I am curious

about

> " the hand/feet thing " (my term). I don't really have much trouble with my

> hands (thank God - using the crutches would get tricky;0) ). But my feet

and

> legs are relatively severely affected.

>

> What I really would like feedback about is whether or not there are others

> among you who have experienced the sort of extended " progression-free "

> periods of time I have had and if there are others who have had only

> affected feet and legs...?

>

> ANY feedback would be great. Thanks.

> M

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi, Peggy. Thanks for the feedback. Can you tell me what the " progression

periods " consisted of? Especially the " big one " ? Just curious. It might

prove useful info. Keep smiling. Marc

> Hi Marc, Peggie here. I had at least 20 years with virtually no

> progression. Then had some, then went about 8 years with none. Then the

> big one hit! I know it is different for all, but, yes, you can go for

many

> many years without getting any worse.!!

[Guest guest]

Hi Marc! Peggie here. I think that the " big one' was brought on by major

stress.... and for years, did not have any idea what brought it on. The

first two major progression were both due to toxic meds. The last one, had

no idea, until listening to everyone on CMT . So, have decided it must have

been brought on by stress. Worked a very stressful job, but then, I had for

most of 10 years..... but then had more personal stress along with the

major job stress. Also got the shooting nerve pain with the last on set.

No one in my immediate family had this.... and I bragged for years that CMT

was at least " Pain Free " !!! Boy, was I lucky all those years to have very

little pain! Then came paybacks... but thankfully Amitriphine is a great

help on that. So, don't know if this will help you or not, as I can only

put two and two together to come up with this. But, many people have spoke

about major stress bringing on major symptoms, and I feel this is very true

in my case also. So, try to avoid having a stressful life!!!! Have a great

day!

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From: Regan, MD <klydesid@...>

<onelist>

Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:38 PM

Subject: Re: [] Digest Number 174

> From: " Regan, MD " <klydesid@...>

>

> Hi, Peggy. Thanks for the feedback. Can you tell me what the " progression

> periods " consisted of? Especially the " big one " ? Just curious. It might

> prove useful info. Keep smiling. Marc

>

>

> > Hi Marc, Peggie here. I had at least 20 years with virtually no

> > progression. Then had some, then went about 8 years with none. Then

the

> > big one hit! I know it is different for all, but, yes, you can go for

> many

> > many years without getting any worse.!!

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Yes, Peggy, I agree stress is a killer!

I was wondering what kind of symptoms you had when you experienced the

progression coming back. This is helpful info for me so if I'm feeling

something I might not just try to ignore it (I'm pretty good at ignoring).

Thanks, Marc

[Guest guest]

Yes, Peggy, I agree stress is a killer!

I was wondering what kind of symptoms you had when you experienced the

progression coming back. This is helpful info for me so if I'm feeling

something I might not just try to ignore it (I'm pretty good at ignoring).

Thanks, Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi Marc. Peggie here. It's kind of hard to remember.... but, along with

the shooting nerve pain that danced all over my body, I also had great

fatique - just did me in to get to work and in half an hour, was exhausted

for the day. Also had vibrating numbness that keep me from typing on

electric typewiter, as made it unbearable. Legs quit working, numbness all

over. Was just about all the CMT symtoms all at once. I guess I could tell

you that when you are exhausted after getting up and dressed, that would be

a good indication you are heading for trouble. I could tell I was worse

almost each day... meaning each day I was a little worse then the day

before. And I kept pushing it - for a few months. When you are fighting

that hard, and have that much pain, along with the fatique, you need to STOP

what you are doing EVERYTHING, and regroup. I think if I hadn't kept on for

at least 3 months after it got real bad, it probably wouldn't have

exclerated as bad as it did. I can tell you, that after I quit my job, and

got rid of that stress, a month or so later, I did feel like a new person.

Many people claim you don't have any improvements when you have CMT, but, I

know that I have had improvements. Of course, the shooting nerve pain was

about he worse thing of it's self, and the amitripline took care of that

(and still does mostly), and the relief of fighting that pain helped relieve

some of the other symtoms. So, if you get beat, slow down and take a break

and if you can tell the difference, then you know that it helped you. All

my symtoms were all over my body, so I can't say any one thing..... Have a

great week end!

----- Original Message -----

From: Regan, MD <klydesid@...>

<onelist>

Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 10:59 PM

Subject: Re: [] Digest Number 174

> From: " Regan, MD " <klydesid@...>

>

> Yes, Peggy, I agree stress is a killer!

>

> I was wondering what kind of symptoms you had when you experienced the

> progression coming back. This is helpful info for me so if I'm feeling

> something I might not just try to ignore it (I'm pretty good at ignoring).

> Thanks, Marc

>

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In a message dated 5/16/00 4:11:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<< drinking wine >>

hehe...make that WHITE wine, please!

[Guest guest]

Good morning,

I have lost the notice regarding migrant transportation safety. For that person, there was an auto accident in which 6 farmworkers lost there lives and 3 others are seriously injured in Hardee Co. Fla. yesterday morning. I am not certain of the "worthiness" of these incidents on a national basis so will pas the reality along.

Keep up the good work on this worthwhile project!

Dean Blietz

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HI

i wasnt able to read this digest.

after i downloaded it, i got an error saying this file is too large to view??

can you send it to me another way, there are topics in this digest i'd love

to read.

thank you

Lori