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Dear Lori,

Checked the thyroid twice, way at the beginning it was slightly out of wack and then three months later it was fine, sorry, wish it were so easy...had blood tests and an ultrasound, nothing. All fine.

any other ideas? Particularly the dry mouth is driving me crazy. Imagine a mouth full of saliva but a feeling of a dry mouth, sticky lips in and out sticking to your teeth? Wierd.

Judy

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Judy, Many of your symptoms could be from an under active thyroid. A good test is to take your basal temp. Put a glass therm under your arm for 10 min before you get out of bed. If it is under 97.8 then chances are your thyroid is not functioning properly. Then maybe your doctor could let you try some armour thyroid. Many people will have normal thyroid tests but still need some thyroid support. For me I had arthritic pain in my knees, dry eyes, low libido.... the symptoms dissappeared when I treated my thyroid. Lori judy wrote:

I have a question for everyone. Ever since my CFS has begun, about 9 months ago, I have suffered from very dry eyes and now also from a dry mouth. My eye doctor tested me and told me that I do have extremely dry eyes, as for the mouth, it was on and off and now, while I am taking medication to dissolve gallstones, it has gotten much worse, my lips feel extremely dry both inside and outside, sticking to my teeth, and the sides and tip of my tongue feel irritated and uncomfortable, although my mouth is full of saliva, a bit thicker than usual, but I had that problem when I was pregnant 16 and 14 years ago as well, profuse thick saliva, which was hormonal and went away right after giving birth. In any event my doctor mentioned something called sjogren's syndrome which I gather is an autoimmune disease that can be progressive and gives you a greater chance of lymphomas in many cases. I had the two blood tests for it SSa and SSb and they both came back negative but as my doctor said that I do have a slightly higher protein in my blood I should take another test as I might still have it in some form. Have any of you suffered with these symptoms? I mean really dry eyes needing drops every half hour to an hour...feeling gritty when you get up in the middle of the night to the bathroom, or the dry in and outside lips (vaseline is helping). Do any of you have or know about sjogrens related or unrelated to CFS? My doctor said that it would also explain the lowgrade fever, occasional joint pains and extreme fatigue, although as we all know these are also signs of CFS. In any event, any information, including remedies, natural and other, would be welcome.ThanksJudy Baumel

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> Dear Lori,

> Checked the thyroid twice, way at the beginning it was slightly out

of wack and then three months later it was fine, sorry, wish it were

so easy...had blood tests and an ultrasound, nothing. All fine.

> any other ideas? Particularly the dry mouth is driving me crazy.

Imagine a mouth full of saliva but a feeling of a dry mouth, sticky

lips in and out sticking to your teeth? Wierd.

> Judy

Judy,

How about candidiasis. It's a fungal infection of the intestinal

tract. When I first got sick, one of the first symptoms I got was

dry eyes and fatigue. As usual, mainstream docs don't recognise it

as a problem because it is a generic resident of the digestive

tract. The problem comes when you get an overgrowth. It is quite

common and alternative docs treat it regularly. It's worth checking

out if you haven't already done so.

Luke

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Luke could it cause fever? Who diagnoses it? None of the doctors here in

Israel even considered it and the chinese practitioner to whom I went for

seven months who took lots of money and his acupuncture and formulas helped

me not one bit did not even mention it.

Thanks

Judy

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> > Dear Lori,

> > Checked the thyroid twice, way at the beginning it was slightly out

> of wack and then three months later it was fine, sorry, wish it were

> so easy...had blood tests and an ultrasound, nothing. All fine.

> > any other ideas? Particularly the dry mouth is driving me crazy.

> Imagine a mouth full of saliva but a feeling of a dry mouth, sticky

> lips in and out sticking to your teeth? Wierd.

> > Judy

>

>

> Judy,

>

> How about candidiasis. It's a fungal infection of the intestinal

> tract. When I first got sick, one of the first symptoms I got was

> dry eyes and fatigue. As usual, mainstream docs don't recognise it

> as a problem because it is a generic resident of the digestive

> tract. The problem comes when you get an overgrowth. It is quite

> common and alternative docs treat it regularly. It's worth checking

> out if you haven't already done so.

>

> Luke

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> Luke could it cause fever? Who diagnoses it? None of the doctors

here in

> Israel even considered it and the chinese practitioner to whom I

went for

> seven months who took lots of money and his acupuncture and

formulas helped

> me not one bit did not even mention it.

> Thanks

> Judy

Judy,

Candida Albicans is the same bug that causes yeast infections in

women. It is pretty common among people with CFS. There are blood

tests and stool tests for it here, I can't say about Israel of

course. Any doctor that has a wholistic or alternative orientation

will be familiar with it. Antifungal drugs followed by probiotics

and a restricted diet is a common treatment.

AFAIK it does not usually cause fevers, but it may be one of the

factors contributing to your symptoms. It is an opportunistic

infection that can go out of control when the rest of your system

goes haywire with RnaseL or immune disruptions.

Luke

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ok shall try to check it out.

Judy

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> > Luke could it cause fever? Who diagnoses it? None of the doctors

> here in

> > Israel even considered it and the chinese practitioner to whom I

> went for

> > seven months who took lots of money and his acupuncture and

> formulas helped

> > me not one bit did not even mention it.

> > Thanks

> > Judy

>

> Judy,

>

> Candida Albicans is the same bug that causes yeast infections in

> women. It is pretty common among people with CFS. There are blood

> tests and stool tests for it here, I can't say about Israel of

> course. Any doctor that has a wholistic or alternative orientation

> will be familiar with it. Antifungal drugs followed by probiotics

> and a restricted diet is a common treatment.

>

> AFAIK it does not usually cause fevers, but it may be one of the

> factors contributing to your symptoms. It is an opportunistic

> infection that can go out of control when the rest of your system

> goes haywire with RnaseL or immune disruptions.

>

> Luke

>

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Amen, brother

Kay Heizer

Judy

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>Hi,

>

>Mel and Judy are two of my very good friends from days in Ohio where I

>worked as a school counselor before moving to Tennessee. My wife and I

love

>them both.

>

>One thing I do know is that if Judy misses a little grammer or spelling

here

>and there she and Mel will have an Eternity in Heaven to practice when the

>days on this Earth are over. Let's forgive her for anything that isn't

>perfect and Praise The Lord for a heart that is in the right place.

>

>Cliff

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Judy,

There is an added risk of infection arising from the use of the larger

vials. The risk is surely minute but exists. Because of my MVP I attempt

to avoid infections as they can lead in rare instances to infective

endocarditis (IE). This is why you take AB's before going to the dentist

nowadays if you have MVP. Very small risk but potentially tragic downside.

Steve B.

B12 dosing

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > With IM hydroxycobolamine, is it preferable to set the dose just

> > > > > below the point where one gets pink tint in the urine (signalling

> > > > > excretion of excess)? My body seems to be absorbing it like a

> > > > > sponge...I am up to 15000mcg/day and still no sign of too much

> > > > > (really is helping, too). Concentration is 5000mcg/cc, I am using

> > > > > three of the individual vials (in case I erred in reporting

dose).

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks all,

> > > > > Jo

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

> > > with each

> > > > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

> > > treatment

> > > > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with

each

> > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

treatment

> > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> > >

>

>

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> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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Judy,

It's not the dose that is the problem in your case. I'm sure you are taking

cyanocobalamin and 1 mg. is a high dose for this type of b-12. We Cheney

patients and many others use hydroxycobalamin in high doses for it's

toxin-neutralizing capability as discussed already today. Steve B.

B-12 strength??

>

> My B-12 is 1,000mcg/ml! Thats right ONE thousand. All these years, am I

accomplishing nothing because its so weak? I never knew. Or maybe I had

something stronger at one time. I used to use a B-12 from my doctor in AZ

that went by a different name, which I can't remember right now. But

compared to the doses being discussed here my 1cc of this 3 times a week

hardly seems worth the cost of the syringes! Any thoughts are appreciated.

Thanks! Judy R.

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>

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> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

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In a message dated 3/5/01 9:13:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Judithrehling@... writes:

<< I too didn't want my daughter stuffing envelopes or picking up trash

downtown

for everyone to witness. This September I started my own program in the

ARTS.

I contacted my local art center and got support from local agencies. We now

have 12 students who 5 days a week attend classes in painting, drawing,

crafts, karate, dance, ceramics, photography, singing, music lessons,

computers, cooking, etc. Their progress has been amazing. Some of my

students are in their 40's and had been sitting home for 20 years, others

are

just graduating from high school. My daughter is only 14 but I now have

peace

that there will be something appropraite in place when she graduates. My

philosophy is, if it doesn't exist, invent it, and never settle for less.

Judy

Adopted mom to (amy 14, ds/adhd/ODD) (sara 15, ds/autistic/blind)

(Marcel 21 ds/ocd) and Roxannne (28, ds and blind) >>

Judy,

I'm sure you don't have a lot of free time, LOL, but sounds like you could

contribute a lot of good info to this list. We in turn could ask a thousand

questions! LOL People never cease to amaze me, and you are one of them.

:-) How long did it take to accomplish this feat, from the onset of the

idea, to having it up and running?

Gail

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I would love to answer any questions. Our first organizational meeting was

in March 2000 and we opened in September 2000. Getting a license took the

most time plus about 600 pages of paper-work. I had to write the program

from scratch, designing eveything from a admission agreement to a discipline

policy and then hire and train art teachers who had no special ed experience.

The funny thing is that I am " just a mom " and only have a high school

diploma (as you know, when you have a child with special needs there isn't

much time for college or a career) but my kids future kept me focused and

when I wondered what in the heck I was getting into they motivated me to keep

on going. Guess I picked up a lot of experience on this journey they call

life :-)

Judy

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judy,

i applaud you immensely!!! your the kind of mom i hope to be someday!!!:-)

and you don't need a college education, as long as you have a heart to love

with and arms to embrace with, you have more than most corporate ivy-league

types i have worked with at a large law firm in dc.........not anymore thank

goodness...but been there did that and i didnt like it.... keep up the fight

and maybe someday i will be inspired as greatly as you to do something for

my ashton.....take care and thank you so much for sharing......leah

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Leah, Thanks for the pat on the back, we all need them. This is a rough and

long road and it helps to know we are not alone in this journey. I do

trainings for parents on dreaming dreams and setting goals. It seems that

because we get tired and discouraged we forget to see the beauty in our

children and forget that they are motivated by those who love them and we

need to believe that tomorrow can hold a wonderful and beautiful life for

them.

Your IEP goals need to support those dreams or you'll find yourself at

transition time with skills that are pretty much useless.

I looked for the strengths in my kids (which was music and art) and have had

IEP goals in those areas for the last 5 years. (yes, the system fought me)

but I WON!

Last week my Amy (14 ds/adhd) performed with her high school dance troupe in

a very competative contest with all the high schools in our county and was

right out there in front. Talk about a proud mom. :-)

Judy

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Wow Judy,

You are amazing. I can't even imagine taking 5 kids with Down syndrome

shopping. Of course I do see groups of young adults shopping at Costco or

Target or wherever and they seem to be very cooperative. I don't know if it's

because of the practice or because they don't have autism too.

When Brook was little and having reflux at 3 yrs he used to have huge

tantrums and cry miserably every time we went shopping. It really put me off

taking him places for a while. I know when he goes every Friday he is one of

the most difficult kids to control. The other kids in his class seem OK, but

Brook needs a one on one so he doesn't grab other people's food, throw things

dump out drinks, drop to the ground, take off, start whining. He needs help

waiting in line because he hates to do that. Anyway I'm looking forward to

the day when he becomes easier to take out and he enjoys it. Right now he

loves riding in the car, he just doesn't want to stop and get out anywhere.

Plus his water obsession makes it really difficult to take him to places with

water fountains, pools, ponds, streams, you get the idea.

Marisa

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Wow Judy, you are awesome! I think of how hard it is to handle in

those kinds of situations and I can't even imagine handling four more [kids].

You are inspiring!

Terry

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Thanks for the compliment Terry...I am afraid the blessings are ours for the

gift to love and be loved by such special kids. We are in no way

special..just have lots of love and compassion for kids. I am adopted myself

and my husband is an only child..we just wanted to give something back. There

are days though when I wonder if we can keep up this pace in our old age. I

just turned 50 and one of my kids felt led to announce it to the entire

assemby. My husband used to say if you have a good attitude you will stay as

young as you feel...the other night he surprised me by saying " man am I

tired " , last week we celebrated out 31st wedding annivesary.

Judy`

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Judy,

Yes, it really does help to know that other people are dealing with these

same issues and that people are there for you and support you when it gets

rough. My DH is leaving for Philly tomorrow and won't be back until Friday

night, so I have 4 days ahead of me without him. Plus we are having a big

heat wave here right now and thus the rolling black outs are coming around

again.

We had the funeral for my grandmother today and the prayer vigil last

night so it has been a couple of very hard days. Hopefully we have now been

through the worst and will have a reprieve for a while so I can regain my

strength and stamina. Probably I'll feel fine just when Brook is off school

for summer vacation.

Marisa

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In a message dated 5/8/01 4:55:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Judithrehling@... writes:

> " , last week we celebrated out 31st wedding annivesary.

>

Happy Anniversary Judy. Duff and I just celebrated our 21st!! Man, I

thought WE were married long....LOL

Hope it was a good one!!

Donna

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well my boys use baby wipes for wiping, easier to handle and cleaner too,

unlike t-paper, which shreds or sticks to skin, not to mention is fun to

unroll,weeee,lol. For nathan he prefers us to wipehim,and ive caught daddy

many times just wiping him, and i have to scold daddy, reminding him to let

nathan do it a few times and get what he missed if he has.Also we let nathan

in the bathroom if we are going, (at almost 10 he is starting to stop this

and even take self) and he has seen us wipe many times, Ive even caught him

wiping himself as his little brother does on ocasion, then as soon as he

sees me or daddy he goes here, and wants us to wipe him, so i have to

encourage him to do it again do our little happy dance,lol. OH! one last

thing, we get those One-up or pop up wipes from pampers, they pop up and

come out one at a time just like kleenexes, very easy and accesible, and the

trash can is right there beside the toilet, with all these years of practice

he knows to throw in trash NOT toilet, now if i could get him to lift the

ring,lol. shawna.

> Judy

>

>

> Hi Judy. i know exactly how you feel. I have a 23 yr old daughter with

> Downs that just within the last 6-7 months has had a great increase in

> what were minor autistic traits. It took me by surprise. I have several

> books that never mentioned this. She's being treated(as of last week)

> with an antidepressant. Its helpful, shes more her happy go lucky self,

> but it hasnt helped with her sleeping problem(day and night reversal)

> Also, to the list; theres been several letters re: self-care issues. My

> daughter has been well toliet trained for a long time but one

> outstanding problem that I havent been able to address is the wipe!

> She's very plump and figuring out how to teach her to wipe herself hasnt

> been successful. Anybody with ideas?! I'm also afraid to persist too

> much and have her wiping wrong and ending up with urinary infections. I

> 've just been putting up with the soiled panties(often a little more

> than soiled!) I'm so glad I found this list, its so helpful to not feel

> alone with these problems. Sandee, mom to Tylie

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In a message dated 9/4/01 9:55:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlovchik@...

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<<

I'm having Dan tested for auditory processing difficulties--I know he has

problems in this area in addition to perceiving us " yelling. "

Judy >>

Judy,

This is very interesting. It was just suggested to me that we have

evaluated for auditory processing difficulties because of his sensitivity to

sounds. I never connected it to the " yelling " perception though. Is this

connected to the auditory processing because of the way they hear the actual

volume of a voice or just plain perception? Please keep me posted and let me

know how it goes with Dan.

Take care,

/NY

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HI Judy,

Just wanted to ask ? Did you ever meet a Branston at those

meetings ? She has a DS daughter , lives in Ca. , but was part of the

TNI group from the Trisomy 21 Research . Always traveling . Just

curious . Take care .

Irma ,STeven 13,DS/ASD.

> Hi,

> I went to the eastcoast suaree last year. That's the one

where

> everyone meets in W. Va. I met a lot of people from the upsndown's

list.

> We'll probably go next year. I want to work with a little

more before I

> commit to that trip. Last year my husband spent most of the time in

the hotel

> with because couldn't take the crowd. I met Nora Lee at

a TNI

> meeting a few years ago. That's about it. I live near Reading,

which is about

> 60 miles west of Phila. I'd love to meet for lunch with anybody

whos' in the

> area.

> Judy

>

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Judy, my son Tom is on periactin too for the exact same reasons! Just wanted

to let you know that you arent alone in your struggle for your child to gain

weight! My son is only 6 but...maybe a job at a fast food restaurant would

help him!

Amy in Ohio

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