Re: Hi everyone, long time since I have been here

[Guest guest]

,

I missed your posts since they are always so encouraging. Sorry to hear you are experiencing pain, hope it resolves soon.

Barbara

[Guest guest]

, Hi- its been a while! Don’t stay away, thinking your relapse/flare will discourage us, we all need to post and share. Its good to see that sometimes healing has its ups and downs over the years, and it is a normal part of it all. Its also good to hear you have been having a lot of fun. maybe too much! Ha HA

Sounds like you are having a flare. Sorry about that. I know it can be discouraging. I wouldn’t go on the pain meds. Remember, I always had severe hand, and feet pain? Joint like, throbbing 1st thing in the morning, then it would get better as the day progressed. Since explant, it has almost went away, although recently when I changed thyroid meds it came back full force for those few weeks, and now since being leveled out -has went away again. I know thyroid can even make hand and feet joint pain, so it can be a number of things. Or even just a flare.

Primal Defense (which I love! I did the Fungal defense, and now the primal defense) has a anti inflammatory product called "FMI" For your inflammation. I would give it a go, before all the other dangerous stuff. See if it helps. All their other stuff seemed to help me a great deal. A very powerful antioxidant formula, directed at inflammation. He talks about the product, its studies, and what it contains in his "Patient Heal thyself" by Jordon Rubin in chapter 5. I would go that route 1st, before putting anymore harm into your body. Glad to hear you are otherwise ok! take Care

----- Original Message -----

From: naturalbeauty38

Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:17 AM

Subject: Hi everyone, long time since I have been here

Hi ladies,I hope your all doing well. I am not sure anyone even noticed I was gone, but that is cool. This group was such a huge part of my life for the last 4 years or so and this has been the longest time I have been away. I did not really do it purposely, I just have been swamped with stuff going on, first we all got ill, really sick with flu's and coughs and crap. We have been on the road every weekend with hockey trips, and that is winding down now. It has been fun, and we have grown so close as a family that I could not love these kids more if they were my flesh and blood.I have been having some realy bad symptoms reapear, or actually not even reapear, more like just new stuff going on that is weird and have not wanted to depress anyone, because I was one of the few who at least for a year or more was sure I was over all this implant illness. Lately I have been having much pain, it is not just my feet which I have always had, but also my hands. It is almost like arthritis or something. It is very strange. I have an appt with my pain Dr to discuss my option but I wanted to get some feedback on what the ladies here think is better, oxycontin and some oxy IR for breakthrough, methadone, or the fentanyl duragesic pathces? I am leaning toward pathes because I don't want to do the pill thing very much right now. I tend to want to take more when I am in pain, and the patch just seems like something I could stick on and not think about so much. So ladies let me know what you think, tell me how you felt on the fent patches, tell me the side effects etc.Also if anyone else can recomend other pain meds that would be good. I may just go back to oxy if that is what I need to do but it could just be the winter, the long trips and the long times sitting in icey cold hockey rinks too. Also I have not been working out as much because of the long times we have spent on the road, so I can notice a difference when I work out, I am sure it has to do with that blood moving around, something is going on with me though and it sucks. I don't have any brain fog or anything like that so that is great, but the pain sure sucks.I also wanted to know when Kacey's MTV appearance is going to be on. I thought I saw them advertising it on MTV for the week of the 15th, which I will be in Mexico celebrating my anniversary so I need to be sure to tape it. Can someone give me the exact dates and times if possible? We leave on the 12th and will be gone for an entire week, ah 7 days in warm weather I am praying will be enough to help with my pain. The foot procedure was a total failure, which is really quite depressing, and so I hope and pray that there will be some answer to this persistent problem, I am beginnning to feel that I may have this forever, but what is it? That is the question.I have been eating more junk that usual with all the travel too, so I need to eat better, and I am thinking of doing a fast but right now I just don't see how to do it when I have school and work and then vacations, my family and my daughter too is coming for a week in April and I am very excited about that. I sure want to be feeling good by then!Anyhow I hope your all doing well. I have missed the group allot and hope you all maybe missed me just a little.hugs

[Guest guest]

--- Hi girl, I would personally stay away from the patches, if one

leaks, or something happens to one patch you are out of pain relief

for up to three days, never mind probably a little withdrawl... I

took oxycontin time released, and it is much easier to wean off of,

the oxy IR I took short term, but is harder to wean off of.. but I

would stick w/those two.... I heard many stories that methadone was

great for pain, but very difficult to get off of, (info from a fibro

board) pray about it girl, whatever you make for yourself will be

the right thing,,, the oxy worked great for me!!!!! I am presently

still on it but weaning slowly off of it.... so I will keep you in my

prayers, Im onday 19 of explant, and I want to heal so badly, but I

am very slowly.... Love Iggy

In , " naturalbeauty38 "

<naturalbeauty38@y...> wrote:

> Hi ladies,

> I hope your all doing well. I am not sure anyone even noticed I was

> gone, but that is cool. This group was such a huge part of my life

> for the last 4 years or so and this has been the longest time I

have

> been away. I did not really do it purposely, I just have been

swamped

> with stuff going on, first we all got ill, really sick with flu's

and

> coughs and crap. We have been on the road every weekend with hockey

> trips, and that is winding down now. It has been fun, and we have

> grown so close as a family that I could not love these kids more if

> they were my flesh and blood.

> I have been having some realy bad symptoms reapear, or actually not

> even reapear, more like just new stuff going on that is weird and

> have not wanted to depress anyone, because I was one of the few who

> at least for a year or more was sure I was over all this implant

> illness. Lately I have been having much pain, it is not just my

feet

> which I have always had, but also my hands. It is almost like

> arthritis or something. It is very strange. I have an appt with my

> pain Dr to discuss my option but I wanted to get some feedback on

> what the ladies here think is better, oxycontin and some oxy IR for

> breakthrough, methadone, or the fentanyl duragesic pathces? I am

> leaning toward pathes because I don't want to do the pill thing

very

> much right now. I tend to want to take more when I am in pain, and

> the patch just seems like something I could stick on and not think

> about so much. So ladies let me know what you think, tell me how

you

> felt on the fent patches, tell me the side effects etc.

> Also if anyone else can recomend other pain meds that would be

good.

> I may just go back to oxy if that is what I need to do but it could

> just be the winter, the long trips and the long times sitting in

icey

> cold hockey rinks too. Also I have not been working out as much

> because of the long times we have spent on the road, so I can

notice

> a difference when I work out, I am sure it has to do with that

blood

> moving around, something is going on with me though and it sucks. I

> don't have any brain fog or anything like that so that is great,

but

> the pain sure sucks.

> I also wanted to know when Kacey's MTV appearance is going to be

on.

> I thought I saw them advertising it on MTV for the week of the

15th,

> which I will be in Mexico celebrating my anniversary so I need to

be

> sure to tape it. Can someone give me the exact dates and times if

> possible? We leave on the 12th and will be gone for an entire week,

> ah 7 days in warm weather I am praying will be enough to help with

my

> pain. The foot procedure was a total failure, which is really quite

> depressing, and so I hope and pray that there will be some answer

to

> this persistent problem, I am beginnning to feel that I may have

this

> forever, but what is it? That is the question.

> I have been eating more junk that usual with all the travel too, so

I

> need to eat better, and I am thinking of doing a fast but right now

I

> just don't see how to do it when I have school and work and then

> vacations, my family and my daughter too is coming for a week in

> April and I am very excited about that. I sure want to be feeling

> good by then!

>

> Anyhow I hope your all doing well. I have missed the group allot

and

> hope you all maybe missed me just a little.

>

> hugs

>

[Guest guest]

, I did miss you! I haven't been on-line much in the last few

weeks either. When I didn't see any messages from you I sort of

thought you were on vacation and that I missed your post telling us

where you were. Sorry! I should have asked rather than assumed.

You know what happens when you assume, don't you? You make an

A-S-S(of)U- & -ME. I do that quite often!

As far as the pain meds go...I was on the Oxycontin 20mg 3xday. But,

it just didn't seem to work. I kept watching the clock waiting for

it to be time to take another pill. I went to an Infectious Disease

doctor (per Dr. Blais recommendation) and he was a big jerk and not

only did he not know what to do with me, but he cut back the Oxy's to

2xday. I finally had my appt with a new Rheumatologist in Richmond,

VA. It takes an hour to get there but it was worth it. He won't

admit yet that the implants are what made me sick, but he's leaning

that way. He changed the Oxy to MS Contin. I take 30mg 2xday. I

might even be able to take it less than that. It is actually

working. WOO HOO!!!!!!!

Are you back in really severe pain all day and night? Have you tried

any of the less potent meds? If you're like me, none of them work.

I am so glad I finally found one that does.

I hope you start feeling better. I'm sure that the COLD doesn't

help. I'm in Virginia and it gets pretty cold here too. I know that

the colder it is, the worse I feel.

I'll be praying for you.

Pam

> Hi ladies,

> I hope your all doing well. I am not sure anyone even noticed I was

> gone, but that is cool. This group was such a huge part of my life

> for the last 4 years or so and this has been the longest time I

have

> been away. I did not really do it purposely, I just have been

swamped

> with stuff going on, first we all got ill, really sick with flu's

and

> coughs and crap. We have been on the road every weekend with hockey

> trips, and that is winding down now. It has been fun, and we have

> grown so close as a family that I could not love these kids more if

> they were my flesh and blood.

> I have been having some realy bad symptoms reapear, or actually not

> even reapear, more like just new stuff going on that is weird and

> have not wanted to depress anyone, because I was one of the few who

> at least for a year or more was sure I was over all this implant

> illness. Lately I have been having much pain, it is not just my

feet

> which I have always had, but also my hands. It is almost like

> arthritis or something. It is very strange. I have an appt with my

> pain Dr to discuss my option but I wanted to get some feedback on

> what the ladies here think is better, oxycontin and some oxy IR for

> breakthrough, methadone, or the fentanyl duragesic pathces? I am

> leaning toward pathes because I don't want to do the pill thing

very

> much right now. I tend to want to take more when I am in pain, and

> the patch just seems like something I could stick on and not think

> about so much. So ladies let me know what you think, tell me how

you

> felt on the fent patches, tell me the side effects etc.

> Also if anyone else can recomend other pain meds that would be

good.

> I may just go back to oxy if that is what I need to do but it could

> just be the winter, the long trips and the long times sitting in

icey

> cold hockey rinks too. Also I have not been working out as much

> because of the long times we have spent on the road, so I can

notice

> a difference when I work out, I am sure it has to do with that

blood

> moving around, something is going on with me though and it sucks. I

> don't have any brain fog or anything like that so that is great,

but

> the pain sure sucks.

> I also wanted to know when Kacey's MTV appearance is going to be

on.

> I thought I saw them advertising it on MTV for the week of the

15th,

> which I will be in Mexico celebrating my anniversary so I need to

be

> sure to tape it. Can someone give me the exact dates and times if

> possible? We leave on the 12th and will be gone for an entire week,

> ah 7 days in warm weather I am praying will be enough to help with

my

> pain. The foot procedure was a total failure, which is really quite

> depressing, and so I hope and pray that there will be some answer

to

> this persistent problem, I am beginnning to feel that I may have

this

> forever, but what is it? That is the question.

> I have been eating more junk that usual with all the travel too, so

I

> need to eat better, and I am thinking of doing a fast but right now

I

> just don't see how to do it when I have school and work and then

> vacations, my family and my daughter too is coming for a week in

> April and I am very excited about that. I sure want to be feeling

> good by then!

>

> Anyhow I hope your all doing well. I have missed the group allot

and

> hope you all maybe missed me just a little.

>

> hugs

>

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

It is really good to see you posting again girl, and I am so sorry about your increase in pain. Don't let it get you down, but please keep us posted on your progress. What the implants have done to us long term is not well understood yet, and we are the ones to write the book on it! If we keep in touch, we will be able to get a better idea of how long healing is going to take, how far we are going to come, and if a large percentage of us are going to get better. So far we are doing okay....we have seen some great testimonies of healing, and yours is definitely one of them. You've proven that working out is really needed in our program when we get to the point that we can do it without killing ourselves, and that we can have a normal, exciting life again.

Hang in there girl! Have a great time in Mexico.

Love,

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: naturalbeauty38

Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 8:17 AM

Subject: Hi everyone, long time since I have been here

Hi ladies,I hope your all doing well. I am not sure anyone even noticed I was gone, but that is cool. This group was such a huge part of my life for the last 4 years or so and this has been the longest time I have been away. I did not really do it purposely, I just have been swamped with stuff going on, first we all got ill, really sick with flu's and coughs and crap. We have been on the road every weekend with hockey trips, and that is winding down now. It has been fun, and we have grown so close as a family that I could not love these kids more if they were my flesh and blood.I have been having some realy bad symptoms reapear, or actually not even reapear, more like just new stuff going on that is weird and have not wanted to depress anyone, because I was one of the few who at least for a year or more was sure I was over all this implant illness. Lately I have been having much pain, it is not just my feet which I have always had, but also my hands. It is almost like arthritis or something. It is very strange. I have an appt with my pain Dr to discuss my option but I wanted to get some feedback on what the ladies here think is better, oxycontin and some oxy IR for breakthrough, methadone, or the fentanyl duragesic pathces? I am leaning toward pathes because I don't want to do the pill thing very much right now. I tend to want to take more when I am in pain, and the patch just seems like something I could stick on and not think about so much. So ladies let me know what you think, tell me how you felt on the fent patches, tell me the side effects etc.Also if anyone else can recomend other pain meds that would be good. I may just go back to oxy if that is what I need to do but it could just be the winter, the long trips and the long times sitting in icey cold hockey rinks too. Also I have not been working out as much because of the long times we have spent on the road, so I can notice a difference when I work out, I am sure it has to do with that blood moving around, something is going on with me though and it sucks. I don't have any brain fog or anything like that so that is great, but the pain sure sucks.I also wanted to know when Kacey's MTV appearance is going to be on. I thought I saw them advertising it on MTV for the week of the 15th, which I will be in Mexico celebrating my anniversary so I need to be sure to tape it. Can someone give me the exact dates and times if possible? We leave on the 12th and will be gone for an entire week, ah 7 days in warm weather I am praying will be enough to help with my pain. The foot procedure was a total failure, which is really quite depressing, and so I hope and pray that there will be some answer to this persistent problem, I am beginnning to feel that I may have this forever, but what is it? That is the question.I have been eating more junk that usual with all the travel too, so I need to eat better, and I am thinking of doing a fast but right now I just don't see how to do it when I have school and work and then vacations, my family and my daughter too is coming for a week in April and I am very excited about that. I sure want to be feeling good by then!Anyhow I hope your all doing well. I have missed the group allot and hope you all maybe missed me just a little.hugs

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your input and for responding to my post, I wondered if

anyone missed me ha ha ha.

I really just don't want to have to take pills again, and I am still

really thinking about the patch as a better alternative. I don't

know, I will see what my Dr says but I feel pretty confident that if

I had a patch break on me my Dr would not let me suffer for 3 days

and would replace it for me as long as I showed it to her and was not

trying to scam. I have an awesome caring pain Dr so that is one good

thing. She is the absolute best.

I will keep in touch and let you know what I decide. I am glad your

explant went so well, I meant to tell you sooner, but I have been so

busy and then sick. I have strep throat right now, it sucks so bad.

My little step daughter has it too, so she is here with me today and

most likely tomorrow, poor little thing.

Hugs

C

In , " iggyangel7 " <iggyangel@c...>

wrote:

> --- Hi girl, I would personally stay away from the patches, if one

> leaks, or something happens to one patch you are out of pain relief

> for up to three days, never mind probably a little withdrawl... I

> took oxycontin time released, and it is much easier to wean off of,

> the oxy IR I took short term, but is harder to wean off of.. but I

> would stick w/those two.... I heard many stories that methadone

was

> great for pain, but very difficult to get off of, (info from a

fibro

> board) pray about it girl, whatever you make for yourself will be

> the right thing,,, the oxy worked great for me!!!!! I am

presently

> still on it but weaning slowly off of it.... so I will keep you in

my

> prayers, Im onday 19 of explant, and I want to heal so badly, but I

> am very slowly.... Love Iggy

> In , " naturalbeauty38 "

> <naturalbeauty38@y...> wrote:

> > Hi ladies,

> > I hope your all doing well. I am not sure anyone even noticed I

was

> > gone, but that is cool. This group was such a huge part of my

life

> > for the last 4 years or so and this has been the longest time I

> have

> > been away. I did not really do it purposely, I just have been

> swamped

> > with stuff going on, first we all got ill, really sick with flu's

> and

> > coughs and crap. We have been on the road every weekend with

hockey

> > trips, and that is winding down now. It has been fun, and we have

> > grown so close as a family that I could not love these kids more

if

> > they were my flesh and blood.

> > I have been having some realy bad symptoms reapear, or actually

not

> > even reapear, more like just new stuff going on that is weird and

> > have not wanted to depress anyone, because I was one of the few

who

> > at least for a year or more was sure I was over all this implant

> > illness. Lately I have been having much pain, it is not just my

> feet

> > which I have always had, but also my hands. It is almost like

> > arthritis or something. It is very strange. I have an appt with

my

> > pain Dr to discuss my option but I wanted to get some feedback on

> > what the ladies here think is better, oxycontin and some oxy IR

for

> > breakthrough, methadone, or the fentanyl duragesic pathces? I am

> > leaning toward pathes because I don't want to do the pill thing

> very

> > much right now. I tend to want to take more when I am in pain,

and

> > the patch just seems like something I could stick on and not

think

> > about so much. So ladies let me know what you think, tell me how

> you

> > felt on the fent patches, tell me the side effects etc.

> > Also if anyone else can recomend other pain meds that would be

> good.

> > I may just go back to oxy if that is what I need to do but it

could

> > just be the winter, the long trips and the long times sitting in

> icey

> > cold hockey rinks too. Also I have not been working out as much

> > because of the long times we have spent on the road, so I can

> notice

> > a difference when I work out, I am sure it has to do with that

> blood

> > moving around, something is going on with me though and it sucks.

I

> > don't have any brain fog or anything like that so that is great,

> but

> > the pain sure sucks.

> > I also wanted to know when Kacey's MTV appearance is going to be

> on.

> > I thought I saw them advertising it on MTV for the week of the

> 15th,

> > which I will be in Mexico celebrating my anniversary so I need to

> be

> > sure to tape it. Can someone give me the exact dates and times if

> > possible? We leave on the 12th and will be gone for an entire

week,

> > ah 7 days in warm weather I am praying will be enough to help

with

> my

> > pain. The foot procedure was a total failure, which is really

quite

> > depressing, and so I hope and pray that there will be some answer

> to

> > this persistent problem, I am beginnning to feel that I may have

> this

> > forever, but what is it? That is the question.

> > I have been eating more junk that usual with all the travel too,

so

> I

> > need to eat better, and I am thinking of doing a fast but right

now

> I

> > just don't see how to do it when I have school and work and then

> > vacations, my family and my daughter too is coming for a week in

> > April and I am very excited about that. I sure want to be feeling

> > good by then!

> >

> > Anyhow I hope your all doing well. I have missed the group allot

> and

> > hope you all maybe missed me just a little.

> >

> > hugs

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi

it is nice to see that you responded to my post. I admit I was a

little sad that no one had missed me, but that is probably the little

immaturity in me, ego or something hee hee. Anyhow girl, I wish I

could have more faith in natural healing but for me it just has never

panned out with this foot thing. It might be wonderful for everything

but when it comes to the foot thing the only thing that has ever

worked has been narcotics. I know that may sound like a cop out to

some who have success with natural means, and once I can get back to

working out more I suspect I will at least have more bearable pain,

but right now I am so tired of waiting for things to work. It sucks!

I don't know how to deal with this very well because it is a terrible

pain, really at a bad point right now. I cannot wait to get to Mexico

next week, hopeing that warmth will help me. I know that the winters

here have to have something to do with how I feel. I mean I was doing

fantastic (other than some moderate foot pain) during last spring and

summer.

anyhow, I also cannot afford all this expensive natural stuff, we

have really spent a ton of money on our kids and traveling

everyweekend with the hockey team, the only reason we can afford this

trip is because we are staying in a freinds beach condo and driving

his car from the Pheonix airport to Mexico. THe only money is food

and air faire, ha ha. I mean this stuff gets prices, frankly I have

so many supplemetns sitting in my cabinet that I never take cause

they don't do anything that it is really frustrating. To think of

buying more is hard! I am glad that your pain is gone, I wish I had

an answer to this foot thing. Oh well, I still consider myself really

healed from implants, because the symptoms that drove me completely

mad are totally gone (dizziness/brain fog etc.

Anyhow, I appreciate the feedback though. I will let you know what I

decide to do.

I am off to rest now, I cannot believe I have strep throat, i mean it

must have been 15 or more years since I had that, I knew it was

strep right away by how fast it just hit me, and how raw my throat is.

IT SUCKS.

anyhow honey thanks for taking the time to respond to me.

Hugs

> , Hi- its been a while! Don't stay away, thinking your

relapse/flare will discourage us, we all need to post and share. Its

good to see that sometimes healing has its ups and downs over the

years, and it is a normal part of it all. Its also good to hear you

have been having a lot of fun. maybe too much! Ha HA

>

> Sounds like you are having a flare. Sorry about that. I know it can

be discouraging. I wouldn't go on the pain meds. Remember, I always

had severe hand, and feet pain? Joint like, throbbing 1st thing in

the morning, then it would get better as the day progressed. Since

explant, it has almost went away, although recently when I changed

thyroid meds it came back full force for those few weeks, and now

since being leveled out -has went away again. I know thyroid can even

make hand and feet joint pain, so it can be a number of things. Or

even just a flare.

>

> Primal Defense (which I love! I did the Fungal defense, and now the

primal defense) has a anti inflammatory product called " FMI " For your

inflammation. I would give it a go, before all the other dangerous

stuff. See if it helps. All their other stuff seemed to help me a

great deal. A very powerful antioxidant formula, directed at

inflammation. He talks about the product, its studies, and what it

contains in his " Patient Heal thyself " by Jordon Rubin in chapter 5.

I would go that route 1st, before putting anymore harm into your

body. Glad to hear you are otherwise ok! take Care

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: naturalbeauty38

>

> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:17 AM

> Subject: Hi everyone, long time since I have been

here

>

>

> Hi ladies,

> I hope your all doing well. I am not sure anyone even noticed I

was

> gone, but that is cool. This group was such a huge part of my

life

> for the last 4 years or so and this has been the longest time I

have

> been away. I did not really do it purposely, I just have been

swamped

> with stuff going on, first we all got ill, really sick with flu's

and

> coughs and crap. We have been on the road every weekend with

hockey

> trips, and that is winding down now. It has been fun, and we have

> grown so close as a family that I could not love these kids more

if

> they were my flesh and blood.

> I have been having some realy bad symptoms reapear, or actually

not

> even reapear, more like just new stuff going on that is weird and

> have not wanted to depress anyone, because I was one of the few

who

> at least for a year or more was sure I was over all this implant

> illness. Lately I have been having much pain, it is not just my

feet

> which I have always had, but also my hands. It is almost like

> arthritis or something. It is very strange. I have an appt with

my

> pain Dr to discuss my option but I wanted to get some feedback on

> what the ladies here think is better, oxycontin and some oxy IR

for

> breakthrough, methadone, or the fentanyl duragesic pathces? I am

> leaning toward pathes because I don't want to do the pill thing

very

> much right now. I tend to want to take more when I am in pain,

and

> the patch just seems like something I could stick on and not

think

> about so much. So ladies let me know what you think, tell me how

you

> felt on the fent patches, tell me the side effects etc.

> Also if anyone else can recomend other pain meds that would be

good.

> I may just go back to oxy if that is what I need to do but it

could

> just be the winter, the long trips and the long times sitting in

icey

> cold hockey rinks too. Also I have not been working out as much

> because of the long times we have spent on the road, so I can

notice

> a difference when I work out, I am sure it has to do with that

blood

> moving around, something is going on with me though and it sucks.

I

> don't have any brain fog or anything like that so that is great,

but

> the pain sure sucks.

> I also wanted to know when Kacey's MTV appearance is going to be

on.

> I thought I saw them advertising it on MTV for the week of the

15th,

> which I will be in Mexico celebrating my anniversary so I need to

be

> sure to tape it. Can someone give me the exact dates and times if

> possible? We leave on the 12th and will be gone for an entire

week,

> ah 7 days in warm weather I am praying will be enough to help

with my

> pain. The foot procedure was a total failure, which is really

quite

> depressing, and so I hope and pray that there will be some answer

to

> this persistent problem, I am beginnning to feel that I may have

this

> forever, but what is it? That is the question.

> I have been eating more junk that usual with all the travel too,

so I

> need to eat better, and I am thinking of doing a fast but right

now I

> just don't see how to do it when I have school and work and then

> vacations, my family and my daughter too is coming for a week in

> April and I am very excited about that. I sure want to be feeling

> good by then!

>

> Anyhow I hope your all doing well. I have missed the group allot

and

> hope you all maybe missed me just a little.

>

> hugs

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, take it easy, and hope you are feeling better soon!

----- Original Message -----

From: naturalbeauty38

Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 1:59 PM

Subject: Re: Hi everyone, long time since I have been here

Hi it is nice to see that you responded to my post. I admit I was a little sad that no one had missed me, but that is probably the little immaturity in me, ego or something hee hee. Anyhow girl, I wish I could have more faith in natural healing but for me it just has never panned out with this foot thing. It might be wonderful for everything but when it comes to the foot thing the only thing that has ever worked has been narcotics. I know that may sound like a cop out to some who have success with natural means, and once I can get back to working out more I suspect I will at least have more bearable pain, but right now I am so tired of waiting for things to work. It sucks! I don't know how to deal with this very well because it is a terrible pain, really at a bad point right now. I cannot wait to get to Mexico next week, hopeing that warmth will help me. I know that the winters here have to have something to do with how I feel. I mean I was doing fantastic (other than some moderate foot pain) during last spring and summer.anyhow, I also cannot afford all this expensive natural stuff, we have really spent a ton of money on our kids and traveling everyweekend with the hockey team, the only reason we can afford this trip is because we are staying in a freinds beach condo and driving his car from the Pheonix airport to Mexico. THe only money is food and air faire, ha ha. I mean this stuff gets prices, frankly I have so many supplemetns sitting in my cabinet that I never take cause they don't do anything that it is really frustrating. To think of buying more is hard! I am glad that your pain is gone, I wish I had an answer to this foot thing. Oh well, I still consider myself really healed from implants, because the symptoms that drove me completely mad are totally gone (dizziness/brain fog etc.Anyhow, I appreciate the feedback though. I will let you know what I decide to do.I am off to rest now, I cannot believe I have strep throat, i mean it must have been 15 or more years since I had that, I knew it was strep right away by how fast it just hit me, and how raw my throat is.IT SUCKS.anyhow honey thanks for taking the time to respond to me.Hugs> , Hi- its been a while! Don't stay away, thinking your relapse/flare will discourage us, we all need to post and share. Its good to see that sometimes healing has its ups and downs over the years, and it is a normal part of it all. Its also good to hear you have been having a lot of fun. maybe too much! Ha HA > > Sounds like you are having a flare. Sorry about that. I know it can be discouraging. I wouldn't go on the pain meds. Remember, I always had severe hand, and feet pain? Joint like, throbbing 1st thing in the morning, then it would get better as the day progressed. Since explant, it has almost went away, although recently when I changed thyroid meds it came back full force for those few weeks, and now since being leveled out -has went away again. I know thyroid can even make hand and feet joint pain, so it can be a number of things. Or even just a flare. > > Primal Defense (which I love! I did the Fungal defense, and now the primal defense) has a anti inflammatory product called "FMI" For your inflammation. I would give it a go, before all the other dangerous stuff. See if it helps. All their other stuff seemed to help me a great deal. A very powerful antioxidant formula, directed at inflammation. He talks about the product, its studies, and what it contains in his "Patient Heal thyself" by Jordon Rubin in chapter 5. I would go that route 1st, before putting anymore harm into your body. Glad to hear you are otherwise ok! take Care > ----- Original Message ----- > From: naturalbeauty38 > > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:17 AM> Subject: Hi everyone, long time since I have been here> > > Hi ladies,> I hope your all doing well. I am not sure anyone even noticed I was > gone, but that is cool. This group was such a huge part of my life > for the last 4 years or so and this has been the longest time I have > been away. I did not really do it purposely, I just have been swamped > with stuff going on, first we all got ill, really sick with flu's and > coughs and crap. We have been on the road every weekend with hockey > trips, and that is winding down now. It has been fun, and we have > grown so close as a family that I could not love these kids more if > they were my flesh and blood.> I have been having some realy bad symptoms reapear, or actually not > even reapear, more like just new stuff going on that is weird and > have not wanted to depress anyone, because I was one of the few who > at least for a year or more was sure I was over all this implant > illness. Lately I have been having much pain, it is not just my feet > which I have always had, but also my hands. It is almost like > arthritis or something. It is very strange. I have an appt with my > pain Dr to discuss my option but I wanted to get some feedback on > what the ladies here think is better, oxycontin and some oxy IR for > breakthrough, methadone, or the fentanyl duragesic pathces? I am > leaning toward pathes because I don't want to do the pill thing very > much right now. I tend to want to take more when I am in pain, and > the patch just seems like something I could stick on and not think > about so much. So ladies let me know what you think, tell me how you > felt on the fent patches, tell me the side effects etc.> Also if anyone else can recomend other pain meds that would be good. > I may just go back to oxy if that is what I need to do but it could > just be the winter, the long trips and the long times sitting in icey > cold hockey rinks too. Also I have not been working out as much > because of the long times we have spent on the road, so I can notice > a difference when I work out, I am sure it has to do with that blood > moving around, something is going on with me though and it sucks. I > don't have any brain fog or anything like that so that is great, but > the pain sure sucks.> I also wanted to know when Kacey's MTV appearance is going to be on. > I thought I saw them advertising it on MTV for the week of the 15th, > which I will be in Mexico celebrating my anniversary so I need to be > sure to tape it. Can someone give me the exact dates and times if > possible? We leave on the 12th and will be gone for an entire week, > ah 7 days in warm weather I am praying will be enough to help with my > pain. The foot procedure was a total failure, which is really quite > depressing, and so I hope and pray that there will be some answer to > this persistent problem, I am beginnning to feel that I may have this > forever, but what is it? That is the question.> I have been eating more junk that usual with all the travel too, so I > need to eat better, and I am thinking of doing a fast but right now I > just don't see how to do it when I have school and work and then > vacations, my family and my daughter too is coming for a week in > April and I am very excited about that. I sure want to be feeling > good by then!> > Anyhow I hope your all doing well. I have missed the group allot and > hope you all maybe missed me just a little.> > hugs> > > > > >