Re: Question to ponder - Iodine and Autoimmune thyroid disease

[Guest guest]

So is speculating that a doctor is harming patients based on things you have

supposedly heard. The FACT is that patients ARE healing their thyroids as

folks have stated here this week.

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> That is an unproven statement however.

> cindi

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>> You are missing my point which is that if I had taken 50-100 mg

> iodoral

>> BEFORE I had cancer, I would have been able to avoid it because my

> thyroid

>> could have been improved or healed.

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[Guest guest]

This is an interesting discussion. Since my RAI, I have TONS of digestive

problems, my allergies came back, etc.,etc. I only seem to do well when I'm

on probiotics.

My question is how does iodine affect the digestive system?

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> I believe it is the abnormal gut flora that is causing the gluten

> sensitivity and the mercury toxicity.

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> The good bacteria in our intestinal tract have many functions. One of

> the functions is to round up the toxins and get them ready to be

> detoxed. That would include mercury. If we have an adequate amount of

> good bacteria in our gut, the mercury would be excreted. If not, it

> stays in the body.

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> Another one of their functions is to help us digest our food. They

> also provide us with immunity. Food allergies are always caused by

> inadequate good bacteria in the gut.

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> So I think the root of both of these problems (gluten sensitivity and

> mercury toxicity) is abnormal gut flora.

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> A good book to read is " Gut & Psychology Syndrome " by Dr. Natasha

> McBride, a neurologist and nutritionist who reversed her

> son's autism with changes in diet, therapeutic doses of probiotics,

> and cod liver oil. She is reversing autism, ADD/ADHD, allergies and

> other disorders) for thousands in her clinic in Cambridge.

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> Here are some videos on this topic on YouTube with Dr.

> McBride and Donna Gates, author of " Body Ecology Diet " :

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> (there are 6 videos in all).

>

> Ann Marie

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[Guest guest]

Yes, but that was a year ago. I haven't had a problem with my thyroid

levels since I went on armour after RAI. The digestive problems are NOT

caused by hypo. I've been on thyroid meds for 20+ years and I have never

had this problem until after RAI.

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>> > You mean you didn't go hypo after RAI, and they

>> > managed to bring you down to a perfect thyroid level

>> > with RAI, as measured by tight standards of thyroid testing?

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>> >> I don't have low thyroid levels anymore:)

>> >> It wasn't common for me at all until after RAI.

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>> >> > " DeCubellis Ranch " <decubellisranch@> wrote:

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>> >> >> Since my RAI, I have TONS of digestive

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[Guest guest]

Hey, you're lucky! My TSH went up to 150 before RAI. I really thought I

was about to die.

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> They made me wait until a TSH of 50 was achieved. For me that was 4

> weeks.

> Then another 6 weeks to get my synthetic T4 crap back up. Had it been

> Armour I know I would have recovered better.

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> Steph

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>>I wanted to add that I never went off my armour until it was time to do

>>RAI.

>> Therefore, I wasn't severely hypo after my TT. Anyway, the thyroid

>> hormone

>> is stored in the body and it would take a few weeks to get severely hypo

>> after surgery.

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>>>I still don't get this. I would think total

>>> thyroidectomy = to remove the thyroid, which

>>> would result in severe hypoT, which would then be

>>> treated with thyroid med.

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[Guest guest]

Well you have to know that I a in the Brownstein camp. The last Iodine book

was written in part by me and Dr. Brownstein (the last 3 chapters). I do

not agree with Gaby at all.

As for increased iodine due to processed salt - that is untrue. Iodized

salt has been removed from most foods. When I was on a low iodine diet for

RAI it was critical that I knew which companies used iodized salt. There

were fewer and fewer each time I went through RAI (3 x). It is the fear of

iodine that is causing them to take it out. So really our iodine is being

removed and not increased. We are more toxic though with all our refineds.

They replaced potassium iodate with potassium bromate in breads which is an

iodine blocker.

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> Good question Steph......the author of Thyroid Power believes that

> thyroid disease has increased because people are consuming too much

> iodine! Since iodine was added to salt and people eat processed foods

> with lots of salt! I wish the authorities on this issue would get

> toghether and hash things out. There is a lot at stake for us sick

> folks! Have you ever read the debate between Abraham and Dr. Alan

> Gaby? Its on the internet and is a fascinating read...and Gaby is very

> openminded about alternative health. Gaby challenges the validity of

> the Iodine loading test...a test that Peat also challenges...that

> loading test never made much sense to me....my doctor won't even

> administer it anymore because he says everyone comes back low in Iodine.

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>> One question - if excess iodine is implicated in Autoimmune thyroid

> disease, why is it that as iodine levels have dropping in our soil and

> our food in recent years that AIT had increase?

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>> B.

>> www.naturalthyroidchoices.com

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[Guest guest]

So they expect us to think the bread is safer because they removed

one halide and replaced it with another? Do they really think

bromine is safer than iodine (and chlorine in water, and fluoride in

toothpaste.....)? It's clever marketing for the cancer industry.

Eliz.

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[Guest guest]

Potassium Bromate is cheaper.

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> So they expect us to think the bread is safer because they removed

> one halide and replaced it with another? Do they really think

> bromine is safer than iodine (and chlorine in water, and fluoride in

> toothpaste.....)? It's clever marketing for the cancer industry.

> Eliz.

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[Guest guest]

It's not that excess iodine is said to be the cause of autoimmune

thyroid disease....

but excess iodine...from whatever source...can be a trigger for AITD

in predisposed genetically folks.

remember " autoimmune " implies genetics plus environmental (or

hormonal) trigger.

for instance i was reading today about many hashi's folks having had

an exposure to skin iodine...like Betadine...and darn if that isn't

in my history really kicked it up a notch...and when I first visited

an ENT for throat problems/hoarseness.

so again....iodine soil levels may have been depleted...but a person

can still be exposed to excess iodine. maybe in a diagnostic

contrast dye situation. and erythrosine, a red coloring agent

commonly used in foods and medications, also contains significant

amounts of iodine.

I can not stress enough the AITD genetic predisposition though...even

though that imo is ignored here. But so many docs - those who are

pro high iodine supplementation - do make the distinction that those

who have thyroid disease (or who are genetically predisposed) are a

different class. And it's NOT that they can't take iodine...but it

IS that you advise these folks differently.

so then we get to your question of why the increase of AITD?

well..there's several reasons. first, we AITD folks used to die

young and the genetics part died out. now antibiotics get us through

our bronchitis for example...so more of us are living and thus we are

passing on the genetics for AITD. and since " environmental " is the

2nd component implied in " autoimmune " , it doesn't take much to see

that in today's world - there are loads of toxic elements that could

be triggers. For instance I've observed for some time that teenagers

are getting AITD often after the Hep. B vaccinations. These

vaccinations have already been implicated in MS...and looks like they

are triggering hashi's too. So folks are probably getting AITD

earlier than they might have too.

cindi

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> One question - if excess iodine is implicated in Autoimmune thyroid

disease, why is it that as iodine levels have dropping in our soil

and our food in recent years that AIT had increase?

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> B.

> www.naturalthyroidchoices.com

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[Guest guest]

just for accuracy's sake, let me mention other " triggers " that have

been implicated in Hashimoto's....

and they include viral, bacterial or candida infections....ongoing

stress that causes adrenal insufficiency and weakens the body's

immmune system....trauma from surgery or an accident....food borne

bacteria....

and yes, even Nutrient deficiencies like iodine or selenium!

but " iodine deficiency " is not to imply the 100x the RDA that ABraham

and a few others consider a deficiency....but rather the RDA. That

distinction isn't made enough imo when some studies are quoted

about " iodine deficiency " . But a 100x difference when

discussing " iodine deficiency " is important. I don't know if it was

here, but I saw someone advising a pregant woman about iodine...and

cringed when they advised her to supplement high doses of iodine

because " iodine deficiency " could affect brain development. It

doesn't take much iodine to prevent that...and excess iodine in the

last trimester has been implicated in brain damage. so there's

the " iodine defiency " in the medical literature and there's

the " iodine deficiency " as defined by a iodine loading test developed

by Abraham, the guy who formulated Iodoral. but i digress...

but just wanted to mention some other AITD triggers...and of course

the toxins are many...fluoride...mercury amalgam...hormones in

products...

I would speculate that often it is a combination of factors that

trigger Hashi's in those genetically susceptible. But my main point

on this forum is just that although most non AITD folks can take up

to 200 mg. of iodine and remain euthyroid...that AITD folks have

Diseased Thyroid Glands and things work a bit differently....and

therefore some caution is needed when advising. That's why the

iodine docs say tell your doctor if you have thyroid disease i would

think.

cindi

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> remember " autoimmune " implies genetics plus environmental (or

> hormonal) trigger.

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[Guest guest]

Based on what you're saying here, would you guess that high iodine

supplementation would be less risky for those of us who've had our

thyroids surgically removed because of cancer (I had high TPO just

prior to my surgery, but it was never checked in the past, so don't

know if I was true Hashi's, and never previously diagnosed with

hypo, but I wouldn't be surprised if I really was)? I no longer

have a gland for the iodine to " irritate " or enhance Hashi's. Is

this right?

Eliz.

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> > One question - if excess iodine is implicated in Autoimmune

thyroid

> disease, why is it that as iodine levels have dropping in our soil

> and our food in recent years that AIT had increase?

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> > B.

> > www.naturalthyroidchoices.com

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[Guest guest]

Many people with hashis take iodoral with no more problems than anyone else.

I had very high antibodies, and I've read that they stay in the body for

about 2 years--which means I still have them floating around in my

bloodstream. I had a lot of problems with iodoral when I took less than 50

mg, but on this dose, I do great.

----- Original Message -----

> Based on what you're saying here, would you guess that high iodine

> supplementation would be less risky for those of us who've had our

> thyroids surgically removed because of cancer (I had high TPO just

> prior to my surgery, but it was never checked in the past, so don't

> know if I was true Hashi's, and never previously diagnosed with

> hypo, but I wouldn't be surprised if I really was)? I no longer

> have a gland for the iodine to " irritate " or enhance Hashi's. Is

> this right?

> Eliz.

[Guest guest]

I don't like the term " risky " but there is a difference for thyroidless in

that you do not risk an overstimulation. There are so many other parts of

the body that need iodine. We tend to focus so much on the thyroid when the

breasts are the next biggest storer and then the ovaries.

Steph

Re: Question to ponder - Iodine and Autoimmune thyroid

disease

> Based on what you're saying here, would you guess that high iodine

> supplementation would be less risky for those of us who've had our

> thyroids surgically removed because of cancer (I had high TPO just

> prior to my surgery, but it was never checked in the past, so don't

> know if I was true Hashi's, and never previously diagnosed with

> hypo, but I wouldn't be surprised if I really was)? I no longer

> have a gland for the iodine to " irritate " or enhance Hashi's. Is

> this right?

> Eliz.

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>> > One question - if excess iodine is implicated in Autoimmune

> thyroid

>> disease, why is it that as iodine levels have dropping in our soil

>> and our food in recent years that AIT had increase?

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>> > B.

>> > www.naturalthyroidchoices.com

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[Guest guest]

It apparently also has to do with the relative speed with which it

oxidizes some sulfhydryl-groups on the gluten-proteins in the dough,

thus forming the carbon-dioxide-trapping qualities of the protein, as

compared with iodate... probably as a consequence of bread beeing

baked in a " continuous process " ... see:

http://www.lallemand.com/BakerYeastNA/eng/PDFs/LBU%20PDF%

20FILES/2_2CONMX.PDF

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[Guest guest]

great question.

and one of those that sort of applies in my own case in ways....i.e.

if a person's thyroid gland is late stage shriveled up non-functional

thyroid gland, does it matter? will iodine even affect it?

or in other words, does the " stage " of AITD matter in regards to

iodine supplementation.

i speculate that it does.

but I don't have the answers.

and steph has pointed out to me before that non one is doing research

on these issues.

I have tryed to get discussion of these issues here for a while...but

imo it's been hard to get folks here to differentiate between AITD

and non-AITD folks...recognizing that in regards to iodine, there are

differences in these groups.

But obviously, if you don't have a thyroid gland...it would be hard

for iodine to affect it. :-) but do you have TSH receptor

antibodies for example? in other words, removing a thyroid gland

doesn't stop one from having autoimmune thyroid disease if they have

it. TSH receptor antibodies can target the skin for example. So,

will iodine cause a problem in skin with those with those

antibodies? Make them more susceptible to having antibodies

activated that might stimulate another autoimmune disease?

sorry - no answers...just lots of questions.

But checking your antibodies might be prudent.

cindi

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> Based on what you're saying here, would you guess that high iodine

> supplementation would be less risky for those of us who've had our

> thyroids surgically removed because of cancer (I had high TPO just

> prior to my surgery, but it was never checked in the past, so don't

> know if I was true Hashi's, and never previously diagnosed with

> hypo, but I wouldn't be surprised if I really was)? I no longer

> have a gland for the iodine to " irritate " or enhance Hashi's. Is

> this right?

> Eliz.

[Guest guest]

I did have antibodies prior to my thyroid removal and for a short time

afterward. I have had no issues taking 100 mgs other than detoxing.

Re: Question to ponder - Iodine and Autoimmune thyroid

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> great question.

> and one of those that sort of applies in my own case in ways....i.e.

> if a person's thyroid gland is late stage shriveled up non-functional

> thyroid gland, does it matter? will iodine even affect it?

> or in other words, does the " stage " of AITD matter in regards to

> iodine supplementation.

> i speculate that it does.

> but I don't have the answers.

> and steph has pointed out to me before that non one is doing research

> on these issues.

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> I have tryed to get discussion of these issues here for a while...but

> imo it's been hard to get folks here to differentiate between AITD

> and non-AITD folks...recognizing that in regards to iodine, there are

> differences in these groups.

>

> But obviously, if you don't have a thyroid gland...it would be hard

> for iodine to affect it. :-) but do you have TSH receptor

> antibodies for example? in other words, removing a thyroid gland

> doesn't stop one from having autoimmune thyroid disease if they have

> it. TSH receptor antibodies can target the skin for example. So,

> will iodine cause a problem in skin with those with those

> antibodies? Make them more susceptible to having antibodies

> activated that might stimulate another autoimmune disease?

>

> sorry - no answers...just lots of questions.

> But checking your antibodies might be prudent.

> cindi

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>> Based on what you're saying here, would you guess that high iodine

>> supplementation would be less risky for those of us who've had our

>> thyroids surgically removed because of cancer (I had high TPO just

>> prior to my surgery, but it was never checked in the past, so don't

>> know if I was true Hashi's, and never previously diagnosed with

>> hypo, but I wouldn't be surprised if I really was)? I no longer

>> have a gland for the iodine to " irritate " or enhance Hashi's. Is

>> this right?

>> Eliz.

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[Guest guest]

one other thought on this of mine...for what it's worth...

i'm highly in favor of iodine supplementation with cancer....but I

think " cancer " is a whole other category....where high doses for some

period of time might be just the thing.

I think advice to cancer patients about iodine should be different

just as i think the advice to AITD folks is different from non-AITD

folks.

cindi

-- In iodine , " elizascha " <timeliza@...> wrote:

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> Based on what you're saying here, would you guess that high iodine

> supplementation would be less risky for those of us who've had our

> thyroids surgically removed because of cancer (I had high TPO just

> prior to my surgery, but it was never checked in the past, so don't

> know if I was true Hashi's, and never previously diagnosed with

> hypo, but I wouldn't be surprised if I really was)? I no longer

> have a gland for the iodine to " irritate " or enhance Hashi's. Is

> this right?

> Eliz.

[Guest guest]

I have a book called Autoimmune Diseases and the Environmental

Triggers.I believe most AID today is caused by toxins.

So to address your question on why AID has increased while iodine in

soil has decreased.

I think this is because as iodine levels dropped,the ability of iodine

to protect the cells agains toxic invasion by mercury or other toxins

was compromised ,so we see this increase.I know I had a hair analysis

years ago that showed low in iodine,I believe this is one of the

reasons I ended up having mercury toxicity.Had my iodine levels been

adequate my cells may not have absorbed as much mercury ,or the iodine

would have helped eliminate the mercury on a regular normal basis.

On the other hand my hair analysis showed high calcium and low

lithium.According to Cutler(author of Amalgam Illness) these

results indicate mercury toxicity even when mercury doesn't show up in

the test.

Chantal

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> One question - if excess iodine is implicated in Autoimmune thyroid

disease, why is it that as iodine levels have dropping in our soil and

our food in recent years that AIT had increase?

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> B.

> www.naturalthyroidchoices.com

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[Guest guest]

Maybe, but if someone would have given me this info, I would have taken the

iodine--hashis or not--BEFORE I had my thyroid removed. (Apparently, I had

a RAGING case of it.) So, maybe cancer is a different issue to you, but not

to me. I was developing it over several years when the correct amount of

iodine and selenium, and a few other changes, would have healed my thyroid.

That's very serious, and shouldn't be ignored just because I'm one of those

pesky cancer survivors. lol

I would much rather have a thyroid with hashis and take the iodine than go

through my current health problems now. I personally, don't want to put

myself in a " cancer " category. If the iodine can heal me after cancer, why

couldn't it do the same for someone in a less severe circumstance?

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> one other thought on this of mine...for what it's worth...

> i'm highly in favor of iodine supplementation with cancer....but I

> think " cancer " is a whole other category....where high doses for some

> period of time might be just the thing.

> I think advice to cancer patients about iodine should be different

> just as i think the advice to AITD folks is different from non-AITD

> folks.

> cindi

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[Guest guest]

I am there with you . I had a huge goiter - check out the picture on

my website www.naturalthyroidchoices.com . That was post birth of my child.

He took what he needed and that left me in a mess. Not one Dr told me to

take Iodine yet they were eager to rip it out. If you study the mechanism

of the thyroid gland AIT is sparked by an over production of H2O2 which

burns away at the tissue until cells mutate. When this occurs the body

looks at the cells as an invader and creates antibodies against it. Why

were these cells not destroyed? Iodine - remember the p53 gene? It needs

iodine and selenium. When iodine is supplied in enough quantity to not only

prevent goiter and produce thyroid hormones it also creates iodolipids which

are the breaks on this oxidation process. W/o this it will continue to

burn.

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> Maybe, but if someone would have given me this info, I would have taken

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> iodine--hashis or not--BEFORE I had my thyroid removed. (Apparently, I

> had

> a RAGING case of it.) So, maybe cancer is a different issue to you, but

> not

> to me. I was developing it over several years when the correct amount of

> iodine and selenium, and a few other changes, would have healed my

> thyroid.

> That's very serious, and shouldn't be ignored just because I'm one of

> those

> pesky cancer survivors. lol

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> I would much rather have a thyroid with hashis and take the iodine than go

> through my current health problems now. I personally, don't want to put

> myself in a " cancer " category. If the iodine can heal me after cancer,

> why

> couldn't it do the same for someone in a less severe circumstance?

>

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>> one other thought on this of mine...for what it's worth...

>> i'm highly in favor of iodine supplementation with cancer....but I

>> think " cancer " is a whole other category....where high doses for some

>> period of time might be just the thing.

>> I think advice to cancer patients about iodine should be different

>> just as i think the advice to AITD folks is different from non-AITD

>> folks.

>> cindi

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I am there with you too. I was only 22 yo when a doc looked at my neck and said "you have a thyroid problem---see a specialist". partial thyroidectomy and no meds made my life a living hell. I only got meds when I borrowed them from a friend at age 52

I want to sue AACE.

gracia

born in the goiter belt--Buffalo NY

I am there with you . I had a huge goiter - check out the picture on my website www.naturalthyroidchoices.com . That was post birth of my child. He took what he needed and that left me in a mess. Not one Dr told me to take Iodine yet they were eager to rip it out. If you study the mechanism of the thyroid gland AIT is sparked by an over production of H2O2 which burns away at the tissue until cells mutate. When this occurs the body looks at the cells as an invader and creates antibodies against it. Why were these cells not destroyed? Iodine - remember the p53 gene? It needs iodine and selenium. When iodine is supplied in enough quantity to not only prevent goiter and produce thyroid hormones it also creates iodolipids which are the breaks on this oxidation process. W/o this it will continue to burn. Re: Re: Question to ponder - Iodine and Autoimmune thyroid disease> Maybe, but if someone would have given me this info, I would have taken > the> iodine--hashis or not--BEFORE I had my thyroid removed. (Apparently, I > had> a RAGING case of it.) So, maybe cancer is a different issue to you, but > not> to me. I was developing it over several years when the correct amount of> iodine and selenium, and a few other changes, would have healed my > thyroid.> That's very serious, and shouldn't be ignored just because I'm one of > those> pesky cancer survivors. lol>> I would much rather have a thyroid with hashis and take the iodine than go> through my current health problems now. I personally, don't want to put> myself in a "cancer" category. If the iodine can heal me after cancer, > why> couldn't it do the same for someone in a less severe circumstance?>> >>

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" cindi22595 " <cindi22595@...> wrote:

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> if a person's thyroid gland is late stage shriveled

> up non-functional thyroid gland, does it matter?

> will iodine even affect it?

> or in other words, does the " stage " of AITD

> matter in regards to iodine supplementation.

> i speculate that it does.

> but I don't have the answers.

> and steph has pointed out to me before that

> non one is doing research on these issues.

>

> I have tryed to get discussion of these

> issues here for a while...but

> imo it's been hard to get folks here to

> differentiate between AITD and non-AITD folks...

> recognizing that in regards to iodine, there are

> differences in these groups.

You point out here another difference among Hashi-hypo people:

a) where antibodies have killed off the thyroid gland

and where antibodies have Not killed off the thyroid

gland, so that the thryoid still produces

some but antibodies attack the thryoid when it tries

to produce. This is a spectrum of manifestion or question

of degree, i.e. how killed off or " shriveled up " is the

thyroid gland?

The other difference you've mentioned before is:

a) whether the Hashi person also has Graves antibodies (TSI

antibodies), does Not also have Graves/TSI antibodies.

FOUR possibilities come to mind here.

You could get a Hashi-hypo person who has:

1. " shriveled up " thyroid + no Graves/TSI antibodies.

This person has the BEST chance of doing well on high iodine.

2. shriveled up thyroid + Graves/TSI antibodies.

This person has a more unpredictable course with high iodine,

due to the Graves/TSI antibodies.

3. functioning thyroid + no Graves/TSI antibodies.

This person has a more unpredictable course with high iodine,

due to the functioning thyroid. Might do better than #2 however

if feedback loops came into play to allow toleration of the

high amount of iodine.

4. functioning thyroid + Graves/TSI antibodies.

This person has the WORST chance of doing well on high iodine.

Again, thyroid function is a question of degree in Hashi-hypo

persons, so I set forth these categories just as ideas for

consideration.

Carol Willis

May 1, 2008

willis_protocols

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I'm with you . I had high anti-bodies as did a freind of mine.

Our anti-bodies went way down after starting 50mg Iodoral. Never had

a problem.

Darla

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> Many people with hashis take iodoral with no more problems than

anyone else.

> I had very high antibodies, and I've read that they stay in the

body for

> about 2 years--which means I still have them floating around in my

> bloodstream. I had a lot of problems with iodoral when I took less

than 50

> mg, but on this dose, I do great.

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> > Based on what you're saying here, would you guess that high iodine

> > supplementation would be less risky for those of us who've had our

> > thyroids surgically removed because of cancer (I had high TPO just

> > prior to my surgery, but it was never checked in the past, so

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> > know if I was true Hashi's, and never previously diagnosed with

> > hypo, but I wouldn't be surprised if I really was)? I no longer

> > have a gland for the iodine to " irritate " or enhance Hashi's. Is

> > this right?

> > Eliz.

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[Guest guest]

Hi ChantalI wanted to interject that autoimmunes (AID) can also be caused by undiagnosed gluten-sensitivity. This may even fit under the category of environmental toxins, I don't know. I just got off the phone with the lab that did my testing for celiac, and she explained it so GOOD! But no way can I repeat it.

-- Warmest Regards,Robin LittleI have a book called Autoimmune Diseases and the Environmental

Triggers.I believe most AID today is caused by toxins......

Chantal

[Guest guest]

This makes sense to me.

Gluten sensitivity (and other allergies and sensitivities), toxin

overload, and auto-immune disorders all fall under the umbrella of gut

dysbiosis -- or abnormal gut flora -- which causes improper digestion

and absorption and improper ejection of toxins from the body.

In other words, if we are don't have adequate gut flora, we are not

able to digest and absorb food properly, and we are therefore less

likely to absorb the minerals we need (including iodine). One of the

jobs of the beneficial bacteria that live in our gut is to package up

and eject toxins to be excreted from the body via detoxification

pathways (urine, feces, perspiration, vomiting, mucus, hair, etc.)

Most of us have inadequate gut flora due to many factors including but

not limited to: birth control pills and other drugs, antibiotics,

vaccinations, and chlorine in the water. It is also known that we

inherit the gut flora from our parents, so if they were lacking, so

are we.

We must heal the gut to solve all of the above (allergies, food

allergies, toxicity, and auto-immune disorders, as well as hormonal

functioning).

Ann Marie

On May 1, 2008, at 12:49 PM, mwm1glm wrote:

> Gluten seems to be the biggest factor in my daughter's Hashi's.

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>> Hi Chantal

>> I wanted to interject that autoimmunes (AID) can also be caused by

>> undiagnosed gluten-sensitivity. This may even fit under the

>> category of

[Guest guest]

Cindi,

‘TSH receptor antibodies can target the skin for example. ‘

What happens in this case? How does it affect the skin?

I have Hashimotos, altho my antibody levels are down now, and have had no difficulties with taking Lugols, 50-75 mg.