Re: New to posting! Progesterone and Iodoral

[Guest guest]

Iodoral seems to increase the effect of progesterone in some people. From the experience of the Rhythmicliving Group, too much progesterone can make you fat, depressed and sluggish.

Are you premenopausal or postmenopausal and what was the reason you started taking progesterone?

Lynne

In a message dated 2/11/2008 10:23:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, stitchen47@... writes:

I too after reading was wondering if progesterone was giving me these symtoms...

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[Guest guest]

--I am post-menopausal. I suppose he gave it to me because of the

labs and Estrogen was so high...I don't know other then that he did

not say...If you don't know which questions to ask he (Dr.) don't

tell you a thing...Should i post my labs here? Maybe you could help

if I posted on this list...I am indeed having alot of that.Feel fat,

depressed and sluggish . The only energy I have is early in the a.m.

after about 11:00a.m. I am shot. Sluggish and just have to push

myself..Thanks Lynne... C

In iodine , slythy@... wrote:

>

>

> Iodoral seems to increase the effect of progesterone in some

people. From

> the experience of the Rhythmicliving Group, too much progesterone

can make you

> fat, depressed and sluggish.

>

> Are you premenopausal or postmenopausal and what was the reason you

started

> taking progesterone?

>

> Lynne

>

>

> In a message dated 2/11/2008 10:23:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> stitchen47@... writes:

>

> I too after reading was wondering if progesterone was giving me

these

> symtoms...

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Music.

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[Guest guest]

Women who use

transdermal natural progesterone (not synthetic progestin—huge difference—doctors

tend to use the two words as if they mean the same thing) should be told that

it can definitely enhance the effectiveness of thyroid meds which would include

Iodoral or Lugols. It will only make you fat, depressed and

sluggish if: 1) you really don’t need it; 2) you use too much for

too long of a time period (putting you into progesterone over-load) or not

using it consistently/correctly (off and on which never allows the body to

become balanced) or 3) you are on thyroid meds and have not backed the dosage

down. For women/men who really need natural progesterone to help with

hormonal balancing it will not make them fat, depressed or sluggish. In

fact, it will do just the opposite. Also, it can take 3-8 months for

natural progesterone to begin working effectively. A lot of women, in the

beginning of use, will see estrogen dominance symptoms seem to get worse as the

hormone receptors are beginning to open. Those estrogen symptoms can

include hot flashes, sluggish feeling and depression. I see this happen all the

time and I call it the “hormonal healing crisis.” However, almost

always, if women will stick with it the symptoms will disappear. I have

been working with natural progesterone for over 7 years and have never seen

natural progesterone, by itself, cause the dead-dog tired effect that comes

with taking way too much. Natural progesterone does not cause just

sluggishness—but in over-dosaging it causes an “I can’t put

one foot in front of the other” type of tiredness. In fact the

sluggish part is usually from other hormone concerns like the thyroid.

There are some women

who seem to have a very real sensitivity to natural progesterone, but they are

few and far between. For those women, if estrogen dominance is a concern,

the herb Vitex would probably be a better choice.

When beginning to use Iodoral or Lugols many go through a detoxification period

which can produce some of these same symptoms. So it can definitely be a

balancing act, at best.

Also, what most docs

don’t tell women is that the goal is hormonal balance not over-load.

Natural progesterone is not a cure-all and neither is any supplement. In

order for the body to be in balance, hormonally and otherwise, a whole-body

approach is necessary. When a good natural health program is followed

along with diet, effective supplementation, exercise, pure water consumption,

stress reduction and daily sunlight symptoms will eventually be relieved.

At this point I believe it to be very important to very, very slowly begin to

back down the dosage of natural progesterone. If symptoms begin to creep

up again, then we stay at the dosage above that for a few months. Most

women are able to get completely off of natural progesterone or at least back

way down on their dosage.

Bottom line is to be

sure to test progesterone, estrogen, DHEA, testosterone and Cortisol levels

with saliva testing and serum testing BEFORE beginning a hormone program and

then every 3-6 months until balance is achieved. Serum testing, in my

opinion, does not usually provide correct results in that the results “match”

the symptoms, but it is good to have in order to make a comparison.

Also, when women are

trying to balance their endocrine system but continue to eat hormone-laden

foods or consume foods that cause insulin resistance then they most probably

will not get the balance that they are seeking. As everyone knows the

endocrine system is very intricate and thus creating balance can seem to be

like looking for a needle in a hay stack, at best. But it is definitely

doable when approached with a whole-body mindset.

Be Well~

Loretta

Loretta Lanphier, ND, CN, HHP, CH

Oasis Advanced Wellness

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[Guest guest]

For me, hot flashes, sluggish feeling and

depression are all symptomatic of estrogen deprivation (as opposed to estrogen

dominance). I haven't even been

able to find the term " estrogen dominance " in Pubmed literature.

I have not found any bona fide research

that supports saliva testing for estrogen and progesterone. Do you have some references? I have found research that supports

saliva testing for cortisol.

Val

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Dr. Loretta Lanphier

A lot of women, in the

beginning of use, will see estrogen dominance symptoms seem to get worse as the

hormone receptors are beginning to open. Those estrogen symptoms can

include hot flashes, sluggish feeling and depression.

Bottom line is to be sure to test

progesterone, estrogen, DHEA, testosterone and Cortisol levels with saliva

testing and serum testing BEFORE beginning a hormone program and then every 3-6

months until balance is achieved

[Guest guest]

Whoa! Thanks Dr. Loretta: For that info. I will diffently keep an eye

on the use of this one....Right now I am trying to keep focused on

getting my thyroid back to working...But will be ready the articles

in the files to learn more about this ordeal...

>

> Women who use transdermal natural progesterone (not synthetic

progestin-huge

> difference-doctors tend to use the two words as if they mean the

same thing)

> should be told that it can definitely enhance the effectiveness of

thyroid

> meds which would include Iodoral or Lugols. It will only make you

fat,

> depressed and sluggish if: 1) you really don't need it; 2) you use

too much

> for too long of a time period (putting you into progesterone over-

load) or

> not using it consistently/correctly (off and on which never allows

the body

> to become balanced) or 3) you are on thyroid meds and have not

backed the

> dosage down. For women/men who really need natural progesterone to

help

> with hormonal balancing it will not make them fat, depressed or

sluggish.

> In fact, it will do just the opposite. Also, it can take 3-8

months for

> natural progesterone to begin working effectively. A lot of women,

in the

> beginning of use, will see estrogen dominance symptoms seem to get

worse as

> the hormone receptors are beginning to open. Those estrogen

symptoms can

> include hot flashes, sluggish feeling and depression. I see this

happen all

> the time and I call it the " hormonal healing crisis. " However,

almost

> always, if women will stick with it the symptoms will disappear. I

have

> been working with natural progesterone for over 7 years and have

never seen

> natural progesterone, by itself, cause the dead-dog tired effect

that comes

> with taking way too much. Natural progesterone does not cause just

> sluggishness-but in over-dosaging it causes an " I can't put one

foot in

> front of the other " type of tiredness. In fact the sluggish part

is usually

> from other hormone concerns like the thyroid.

>

>

>

> There are some women who seem to have a very real sensitivity to

natural

> progesterone, but they are few and far between. For those women, if

> estrogen dominance is a concern, the herb Vitex would probably be a

better

> choice.

>

> When beginning to use Iodoral or Lugols many go through a

detoxification

> period which can produce some of these same symptoms. So it can

definitely

> be a balancing act, at best.

>

>

>

> Also, what most docs don't tell women is that the goal is hormonal

balance

> not over-load. Natural progesterone is not a cure-all and neither

is any

> supplement. In order for the body to be in balance, hormonally and

> otherwise, a whole-body approach is necessary. When a good natural

health

> program is followed along with diet, effective supplementation,

exercise,

> pure water consumption, stress reduction and daily sunlight

symptoms will

> eventually be relieved. At this point I believe it to be very

important to

> very, very slowly begin to back down the dosage of natural

progesterone. If

> symptoms begin to creep up again, then we stay at the dosage above

that for

> a few months. Most women are able to get completely off of natural

> progesterone or at least back way down on their dosage.

>

>

>

> Bottom line is to be sure to test progesterone, estrogen, DHEA,

testosterone

> and Cortisol levels with saliva testing and serum testing BEFORE

beginning a

> hormone program and then every 3-6 months until balance is

achieved. Serum

> testing, in my opinion, does not usually provide correct results in

that the

> results " match " the symptoms, but it is good to have in order to

make a

> comparison.

>

>

>

> Also, when women are trying to balance their endocrine system but

continue

> to eat hormone-laden foods or consume foods that cause insulin

resistance

> then they most probably will not get the balance that they are

seeking. As

> everyone knows the endocrine system is very intricate and thus

creating

> balance can seem to be like looking for a needle in a hay stack, at

best.

> But it is definitely doable when approached with a whole-body

mindset.

>

>

>

> Be Well~

> Loretta

>

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[Guest guest]

Thank you very much, Dr. Loretta, for this excellent discussion of hormone issues! Zoe

RE: New to posting! Progesterone and Iodoral

Women who use transdermal natural progesterone (not synthetic progestin—huge difference—doctors tend to use the two words as if they mean the same thing) should be told that it can definitely enhance the effectiveness of thyroid meds which would include Iodoral or Lugols. It will only make you fat, depressed and sluggish if: 1) you really don’t need it; 2) you use too much for too long of a time period (putting you into progesterone over-load) or not using it consistently/correctly (off and on which never allows the body to become balanced) or 3) you are on thyroid meds and have not backed the dosage down. For women/men who really need natural progesterone to help with hormonal balancing it will not make them fat, depressed or sluggish. In fact, it will do just the opposite. Also, it can take 3-8 months for natural progesterone to begin working effectively. A lot of women, in the beginning of use, will see estrogen dominance symptoms seem to get worse as the hormone receptors are beginning to open. Those estrogen symptoms can include hot flashes, sluggish feeling and depression. I see this happen all the time and I call it the “hormonal healing crisis.” However, almost always, if women will stick with it the symptoms will disappear. I have been working with natural progesterone for over 7 years and have never seen natural progesterone, by itself, cause the dead-dog tired effect that comes with taking way too much. Natural progesterone does not cause just sluggishness—but in over-dosaging it causes an “I can’t put one foot in front of the other” type of tiredness. In fact the sluggish part is usually from other hormone concerns like the thyroid.

There are some women who seem to have a very real sensitivity to natural progesterone, but they are few and far between. For those women, if estrogen dominance is a concern, the herb Vitex would probably be a better choice. When beginning to use Iodoral or Lugols many go through a detoxification period which can produce some of these same symptoms. So it can definitely be a balancing act, at best.

Also, what most docs don’t tell women is that the goal is hormonal balance not over-load. Natural progesterone is not a cure-all and neither is any supplement. In order for the body to be in balance, hormonally and otherwise, a whole-body approach is necessary. When a good natural health program is followed along with diet, effective supplementation, exercise, pure water consumption, stress reduction and daily sunlight symptoms will eventually be relieved. At this point I believe it to be very important to very, very slowly begin to back down the dosage of natural progesterone. If symptoms begin to creep up again, then we stay at the dosage above that for a few months. Most women are able to get completely off of natural progesterone or at least back way down on their dosage.

Bottom line is to be sure to test progesterone, estrogen, DHEA, testosterone and Cortisol levels with saliva testing and serum testing BEFORE beginning a hormone program and then every 3-6 months until balance is achieved. Serum testing, in my opinion, does not usually provide correct results in that the results “match” the symptoms, but it is good to have in order to make a comparison.

Also, when women are trying to balance their endocrine system but continue to eat hormone-laden foods or consume foods that cause insulin resistance then they most probably will not get the balance that they are seeking. As everyone knows the endocrine system is very intricate and thus creating balance can seem to be like looking for a needle in a hay stack, at best. But it is definitely doable when approached with a whole-body mindset.

Be Well~Loretta

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