Re: Very low

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Thank you so much Sheila. I don't know how you find the time and

reserve to help us all, you must spend all day on the site.

I am taking licorice which is a good boost - when I wake and at 11 am.

But I will go and get some siberian ginseng.

I know I have to be patient and I know I am on the right tack with my

appointment with Dr Peatfield, the weekend away at a lovely b & b and the

forum get together on the Saturday - I am very lucky. I don't believe

in coincidence so this is meant to be.

I am trying to keep in touch by telephone with my friends as I know I

feel better when I can say how I feel. I will take heed and make

friends here on the site too.

I hope that I may 'meet' Bella on the site. As you said the synacthen

test only looks at 's disease and no in between. I know I don't

have enough cortisol and I know my nutritionist is concerned that I am

not making progress with diet, the dynamite adrenal supplement and

licorice.

She has been trying to treat the high thyroid antibody levels by

supporting the immune system:

2 g vit c a day, Nutri Sterols 117 each day and avoidance of

dairy/wheat/grains (ie, any known antigens) but they are still on the

up. As you say, the glandulars are the only answer and I hope my parcel

will arive next week.

Thank you again Sheila

>

> Hi Keri

>

> I am so sorry that you are feeling so low today and it is difficult to

know what to say to you to re-assure you that this feeling will not last

forever. I can re-assure you that the majority of us have been there and

have felt the low depths, but probably not been in exactly the spot that

you are right now. I can promise you however, that joining this forum is

probably the best thing you have done because you will get lots of help

and support to guide you through all this.

>

> Food to help boost your adrenals will not be enough, you need adrenal

glandulars - probably cortisol itself. The best person on this forum to

talk to you about adrenal supplementation is probably Bella as she has

suffered with very low adrenal reserve and has studied up on the

subject. You will be amazed how much better you will feel when they have

been straightened out. You ARE a strong women, you must be because you

have overcome an eating disorder and also overcome alcoholism, even

though you are still in recovery, probably always will be, but as time

goes on, it honestly does get better and there is light at the end of

the tunnel, so continue to be strong until you see Dr Peatfield, who,

you will find out soon, is a wonderful man and a great healer. He knows

what he is talking about when it comes to thyroid and adrenal problems

and has made thousands of people well again.

>

> Also, think of the members of this forum as your new friends. We are

here to help each other. So treat us like friends - ask us loads of

questions, there will always be somebody around to hopefully give you an

answer. We also have another 'chat' forum where you can chat away about

anything other than thyroid - so this may help lift your spirits when

you feel so low. Maybe Lilian has already sent you an invitation to join

that, but if not, she soon will.

>

> You obviously need a couple of days away, I wish I could move our

clinic and our Yorkshire Get Together day forward, but I can't, and Dr

Peatfield is so busy because so many people need to see him. This shows

how badly the NHS treats hypothyroid sufferers. I know you will enjoy it

and make even more new friends. Swapping our stories helps to know that

there ARE other people who know exactly what you are going through.

>

> Meanwhile Keri, go and buy some Siberian Ginseng and some good old

fashioned liquorice. I used to buy the hard black black liquorice and

pour boiling water on it and make strong liquorice tea. This is a

wonderful boost for your adrenals.

>

> luv - Sheila

>

>

>

>

>

> I just wanted to say how I feel today. I am waiting for the armour

> thyroid to arrive from the States. These past few weeks, I have

> been getting more and more listless - I struggle to have a bath and

> then get dressed, particularly in the mornings. My day starts

> properly a around 5 pm. I know my corisol is lowest in the morning

> from the saliva tests.

>

> However, today I feel very low. I am getting more and more tearful

> and now have absolutely no enjoyment with my food which is so

> strange as I am in recovery from binge eating disorder. I never go

> off my food.

>

> This last year I have seen a naturopath, 2 nutrionists, a life

> coach, a counsellor (ongoing and helpful) and an acupuncturist just

> lately who says from the needling there is no joy in my life. I am

> also in recovery from alcoholism. I am on a special diet to help

> the adrenals as the cortisol is so low but my body is screaming for

> coffee - just something to pick me up a little.

>

> I know I have abused my body. I am fed up with life. I will be 50

> this April and feel like a very old lady.

>

> I know I need to keep positive but it is so difficult and I live on

> my own too - sorry about this poor me but I know most of you will

> understand.

>

> I have my appointment with Dr Peatfield booked for the end of March

> and I will be getting away for a couple of days to do that.

>

> I know I look normal so it is difficult for people to understand

> what's going on inside.

>

> There is hardly any fight left.

>

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Thank you so much Sheila. I don't know how you find the time andreserve to help us all, you must spend all day on the site.

Not all day, I am an artist as well and in the middle of a commission, so keep doing a bit inbetween.I am taking licorice which is a good boost - when I wake and at 11 am. But I will go and get some siberian ginseng.

Make sure it is the Siberian Ginseng, for some reason, other ginsengs don't appear to have the same power as the Siberian.I know I have to be patient and I know I am on the right tack with myappointment with Dr Peatfield, the weekend away at a lovely b & b and theforum get together on the Saturday - I am very lucky. I don't believein coincidence so this is meant to be.

That's exactly how I feel too. I guess I believe in fate as so many things have happened to me recently that somehow, I just knew were meant to happen. I am trying to keep in touch by telephone with my friends as I know Ifeel better when I can say how I feel. I will take heed and makefriends here on the site too.

That's good Keri. I can feel you being more positive already.I hope that I may 'meet' Bella on the site. As you said the synacthentest only looks at 's disease and no in between. I know I don'thave enough cortisol and I know my nutritionist is concerned that I amnot making progress with diet, the dynamite adrenal supplement andlicorice.

Bella is on a course at the moment, but she pops on whenever she can to see if she can help anybody, especially with adrenals. She came here knowing nothing, now she knows a lot and is teaching some of us.She has been trying to treat the high thyroid antibody levels bysupporting the immune system:2 g vit c a day, Nutri Sterols 117 each day and avoidance ofdairy/wheat/grains (ie, any known antigens) but they are still on theup. As you say, the glandulars are the only answer and I hope my parcelwill arive next week.Thank you again Sheila

You're welcome Keri.

Luv - Sheila

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You can find out if you need zinc by doing a very simple test. If you can get hold of a zinc tablet, put this in your mouth and chew it. If you are short of zinc, you will get a very metalic taste at the back of your tongue. This can be quite strong. If you do NOT need zinc, all you will taste is chalk.

Has anybody done this test. I know I did and my metalic taste was awful - and lasted quite some time. did it at the same time as me and couldn't taste a thing.

Luv - Sheila

Hi KericaswellAn emergency supply of B vits (A good high strength one would get you started) and some vit C (maybe 500-1000mg) is called for to support your adrenals; it might also be worth getting hold of some vitamin B5 (pantothenic acid) separately....to add it to the 'mix'...from there onwards, other sources (vits/minerals) may be helpful.....could need zinc, but best get it tested if you can (Zn,Cu,Fe ~ zinc,copper,iron)best wishesBob>> I just wanted to say how I feel today. I am waiting for the armour > thyroid to arrive from the States. These past few weeks, I have > been getting more and more listless - I struggle to have a bath and > then get dressed, particularly in the mornings. My day starts > properly a around 5 pm. I know my corisol is lowest in the morning > from the saliva tests.> > However, today I feel very low. I am getting more and more tearful > and now have absolutely no enjoyment with my food which is so > strange as I am in recovery from binge eating disorder. I never go > off my food.> > This last year I have seen a naturopath, 2 nutrionists, a life > coach, a counsellor (ongoing and helpful) and an acupuncturist just > lately who says from the needling there is no joy in my life. I am > also in recovery from alcoholism. I am on a special diet to help > the adrenals as the cortisol is so low but my body is screaming for > coffee - just something to pick me up a little.> > I know I have abused my body. I am fed up with life. I will be 50 > this April and feel like a very old lady.> > I know I need to keep positive but it is so difficult and I live on > my own too - sorry about this poor me but I know most of you will > understand.> > I have my appointment with Dr Peatfield booked for the end of March > and I will be getting away for a couple of days to do that.> > I know I look normal so it is difficult for people to understand > what's going on inside.> > There is hardly any fight left.>

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Hi Sheila,

I think it might be the other way around for the zinc taste test, it

has virtually no (maybe 'chalky') taste if you're short of zinc and

it tastes 'metallic' if you are sufficient...

best wishes

Bob ( but I may have got it a.....about face...will check)

> >

> > I just wanted to say how I feel today. I am waiting for the

armour

> > thyroid to arrive from the States. These past few weeks, I have

> > been getting more and more listless - I struggle to have a bath

and

> > then get dressed, particularly in the mornings. My day starts

> > properly a around 5 pm. I know my corisol is lowest in the

morning

> > from the saliva tests.

> >

> > However, today I feel very low. I am getting more and more

tearful

> > and now have absolutely no enjoyment with my food which is so

> > strange as I am in recovery from binge eating disorder. I never

go

> > off my food.

> >

> > This last year I have seen a naturopath, 2 nutrionists, a life

> > coach, a counsellor (ongoing and helpful) and an acupuncturist

just

> > lately who says from the needling there is no joy in my life. I

am

> > also in recovery from alcoholism. I am on a special diet to

help

> > the adrenals as the cortisol is so low but my body is screaming

for

> > coffee - just something to pick me up a little.

> >

> > I know I have abused my body. I am fed up with life. I will be

50

> > this April and feel like a very old lady.

> >

> > I know I need to keep positive but it is so difficult and I

live on

> > my own too - sorry about this poor me but I know most of you

will

> > understand.

> >

> > I have my appointment with Dr Peatfield booked for the end of

March

> > and I will be getting away for a couple of days to do that.

> >

> > I know I look normal so it is difficult for people to

understand

> > what's going on inside.

> >

> > There is hardly any fight left.

> >

>

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Keri,

Just to highlight the fact that it's believed that many addicts are

actually undiagnosed hypoT sufferers. They turn to drugs or alcohol

to try to wake their bodies up and get them going. There is

speculation on other forums about Britney right now ?? post partum

thyroiditis perhaps?

Luv Bella

(who's brain hurts now)

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You might have a point there Bella. There is a Dr.Lefevre who runs the Promis clinic for addictions, in Kent, who wrote a book that in his view and experience, addicts are not attempting to get a 'high', they are attempting to feel 'normal'.

Lilian

Re: Very low

Keri,Just to highlight the fact that it's believed that many addicts are actually undiagnosed hypoT sufferers. They turn to drugs or alcohol to try to wake their bodies up and get them going. There is speculation on other forums about Britney right now ?? post partum thyroiditis perhaps?Luv Bella(who's brain hurts now)> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1289 - Release Date: 20/02/2008 10:26>Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing medication.

[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear you feel so bad. I must endorse the High strenght B

complex because they have helped me over the last few years.

Keep up your chin hun, things always feel worse before they get better.

God bless

Dawn

[Guest guest]

Hi,

It's not good to feel so low, try to look forward to your appt in March-

that's not so far away- hang on in there.

Subject: Very low

I know I have abused my body. I am fed up with life. I will be 50

this April and feel like a very old lady.

I know I need to keep positive but it is so difficult and I live on

my own too - sorry about this poor me but I know most of you will

understand.

I have my appointment with Dr Peatfield booked for the end of March

and I will be getting away for a couple of days to do that.

I know I look normal so it is difficult for people to understand

what's going on inside.

There is hardly any fight left.

Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always

consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing medication.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

Sorry- wrong way round! No

taste low zinc. Yeuch! Means zinc OK

Subject: Re:

Re: Very low

You can find out if you need zinc by

doing a very simple test. If you can get hold of a zinc tablet, put this in

your mouth and chew it. If you are short of zinc, you will get a very metalic

taste at the back of your tongue. This can be quite strong. If you do NOT need

zinc, all you will taste is chalk.

Has anybody done this test. I know I

did and my metalic taste was awful - and lasted quite some time. did it

at the same time as me and couldn't taste a thing.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Kericaswell

An emergency supply of B vits (A good high strength one would get you

started) and some vit C (maybe 500-1000mg) is called for to support

your adrenals; it might also be worth getting hold of some vitamin B5

(pantothenic acid) separately....to add it to the 'mix'...from there

onwards, other sources (vits/minerals) may be helpful.....could need

zinc, but best get it tested if you can (Zn,Cu,Fe ~ zinc,copper,iron)

best wishes

Bob

>

> I just wanted to say how I feel today. I am waiting for the armour

> thyroid to arrive from the States. These past few weeks, I have

> been getting more and more listless - I struggle to have a bath and

> then get dressed, particularly in the mornings. My day starts

> properly a around 5 pm. I know my corisol is lowest in the morning

> from the saliva tests.

>

> However, today I feel very low. I am getting more and more tearful

> and now have absolutely no enjoyment with my food which is so

> strange as I am in recovery from binge eating disorder. I never go

> off my food.

>

> This last year I have seen a naturopath, 2 nutrionists, a life

> coach, a counsellor (ongoing and helpful) and an acupuncturist just

> lately who says from the needling there is no joy in my life. I am

> also in recovery from alcoholism. I am on a special diet to help

> the adrenals as the cortisol is so low but my body is screaming for

> coffee - just something to pick me up a little.

>

> I know I have abused my body. I am fed up with life. I will be 50

> this April and feel like a very old lady.

>

> I know I need to keep positive but it is so difficult and I live on

> my own too - sorry about this poor me but I know most of you will

> understand.

>

> I have my appointment with Dr Peatfield booked for the end of March

> and I will be getting away for a couple of days to do that.

>

> I know I look normal so it is difficult for people to understand

> what's going on inside.

>

> There is hardly any fight left.

>

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Hi,Just read the bit from Bella about 'addicts' using drugs to feel normal, how very true I've been there and I can verify that the only reason for taking them was to try and get enough energy to get through a day, try to convince a doctor of that though.Keep up the good workRenny>> You might have a point there Bella. There is a Dr.Lefevre who runs the Promis clinic for addictions, in Kent, who wrote a book that in his view and experience, addicts are not attempting to get a 'high', they are attempting to feel 'normal'.> > Lilian> > > > > > > Re: Very low> > > Keri,> Just to highlight the fact that it's believed that many addicts are > actually undiagnosed hypoT sufferers. They turn to drugs or alcohol > to try to wake their bodies up and get them going. There is > speculation on other forums about Britney right now ?? post partum > thyroiditis perhaps?> Luv Bella> (who's brain hurts now)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------> ---------> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.8/1289 - Release Date: > 20/02/2008 10:26> >> > > > > Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing medication. >

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To Kericaswell

Hi, I'm working through this process and will be 50 on my next

birthday too! It's supposed to be the new life begins at ... so I've

been hanging on to that for quite a while. Sometimes you just have

to get to the bottom to be able to push yourself up. I wish you all

the best with the appointment at Dr Peatfields. We now have a candle

in the dark thanks to Sheila.

Take care

Irene MacIntyre

> I know I need to keep positive but it is so difficult and I live on

> my own too - sorry about this poor me but I know most of you will

> understand.

>

> I have my appointment with Dr Peatfield booked for the end of March

> and I will be getting away for a couple of days to do that.

>

> I know I look normal so it is difficult for people to understand

> what's going on inside.

>

> There is hardly any fight left.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> You might have a point there Bella. There is a Dr.Lefevre who

runs the Promis clinic for addictions, in Kent, who wrote a book

that in his view and experience, addicts are not attempting to get

a 'high', they are attempting to feel 'normal'.

>

> Lilian

>

> A bit of alkohol gets some energy into the cells, I used it if I

wanted to dance. Seriously, as far as I can see I inherited hypo

from my paternal grandfather,there has beenmany early deaths as well

on that side, all my cousins and 3 of my four siblings are affected,

we all have children with roblems. My grandfather and his two sons

drank a great deal,think thatwas how they kept going.

Agate

>

>

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> Re: Very low

>

>

> Keri,

> Just to highlight the fact that it's believed that many addicts

are

> actually undiagnosed hypoT sufferers. They turn to drugs or

alcohol

> to try to wake their bodies up and get them going. There is

> speculation on other forums about Britney right now ?? post

partum

> thyroiditis perhaps?

> Luv Bella

> (who's brain hurts now)

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Does anybody know if it means anything if your blood smells/tastes very

strongly of iron??

Also, has anyone had bleeding gums? I quit smoking about four months ago

and ever since my gums have been bleeding when I brush my teeth. There

is quite often blood in my mouth when I wake up and there have been two

occasions when I was just watching the TV and realised my gums were

bleeding.

Any advice appreciated.

Luv

[Guest guest]

Hi

When I gave up smoking I too had the same problem with bleeding gums.

My Dentist said it was a perfectly normal side effect of giving up and

it should settle down in a month or two (it did). I would recommend

getting your dentist to give the once over just in case

Jacqui x

[Guest guest]

Hi

Bleeding gums might imply low vit C (ascorbate level) tyical of scurvy

of old.

On the other hand, it might also be low almost anything, like CoQ10;

that can also cause bleeding gums..and might associate with stopping

smoking....when you stop poisoning yourself with cadmium and carbon

monoxide, something changes and maybe for the worse, for a while, until

you gradully pick up again.

My guess is it's low vit C, and worth supplementing with about 1-2gm

for a few weeks, as long as your gut tolerates it..

best wishes

Bob

>

> Does anybody know if it means anything if your blood smells/tastes

very

> strongly of iron??

>

> Also, has anyone had bleeding gums? I quit smoking about four months

ago

> and ever since my gums have been bleeding when I brush my teeth. There

> is quite often blood in my mouth when I wake up and there have been

two

> occasions when I was just watching the TV and realised my gums were

> bleeding.

>

> Any advice appreciated.

>

> Luv

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

...follow-on..

Do you have any hemolysis going on (bleeding gums says possibly)

that raises the apparent iron load in the blood? and is you bilirubin

also raised from the same cause..?

The 'pith' from oranges contains a 'capillary factor' that can help

keep the capillaries intact.

If one considers that haemoglobin releases carbon monoxide when it

breaks down and I believe that is a signalling molecule and the body

may, in fact, be attempting to replace the carbon monoxide that is

apparently 'missing' when you stop smoking..

just a thought...

Bob

> >

> > Does anybody know if it means anything if your blood

smells/tastes

> very

> > strongly of iron??

> >

> > Also, has anyone had bleeding gums? I quit smoking about four

months

> ago

> > and ever since my gums have been bleeding when I brush my teeth.

There

> > is quite often blood in my mouth when I wake up and there have

been

> two

> > occasions when I was just watching the TV and realised my gums

were

> > bleeding.

> >

> > Any advice appreciated.

> >

> > Luv

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

First stop see your dentist- they are expert in mouth problems

other than teeth.

Subject: Re: Very low

Does anybody know if it means anything if your blood smells/tastes very

strongly of iron??

Also, has anyone had bleeding gums? I quit smoking about four months ago

and ever since my gums have been bleeding when I brush my teeth. There

is quite often blood in my mouth when I wake up and there have been two

occasions when I was just watching the TV and realised my gums were

bleeding.

Any advice appreciated.

Luv

Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always

consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing medication.

[Guest guest]

> Do you have any hemolysis going on (bleeding gums says possibly) > that raises the apparent iron load in the blood? and is you bilirubin > also raised from the same cause..?Hi Bob,Many thanks for your reply - I have tried looking hemolysis up but I am still not much the wiser. Could you explain? Would this also explain why my blood sometimes smells very strongly of iron?Cheers

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

If the red cells are being disrupted the iron will eventually spill

out, but there's a very efficient mechanism for recovering the iron.

Also, when the hemoglobin is chopped up there is a small amount of

carbon monoxide released that acts as a signalling molecule....

but I have no idea what exactly causes the metallic smell....it could

possibly be an interaction between iron and carbon monoxide that

would produce a particularly smelly 'iron carbonyl'....but there is,

most likely, a better explanation, of which I'm unaware.

Bilirubin is one of the markers of hemolysis.

A hematologist/pathologist would know the answer, they usualy do.

best wishes

Bob

>

>

> > Do you have any hemolysis going on (bleeding gums says possibly)

> > that raises the apparent iron load in the blood? and is you

bilirubin

> > also raised from the same cause..?

>

> Hi Bob,

>

> Many thanks for your reply - I have tried looking hemolysis up but

I am

> still not much the wiser. Could you explain?

>

> Would this also explain why my blood sometimes smells very strongly

of

> iron?

>

> Cheers

>

>