Re: Adrenal exhaustion/help please

[Guest guest]

Hi Keri,

Of the two sorts of liquorice ~ ordinary and deglycyrrhised, the

latter one is good for GI system support....and the former one is

better able to keep the cortisol in your body for longer by adjusting

the amount of the enzyme that destroys cortisol.

The downside is that you become dependent on the ordinary liquorice.

It should be stopped for a day or two, so that you can still make the

enzyme that destroys the cortisol, i.e. you retain the full set of

critical enzymes.

That may produce a dose of the runs if your adrenals are shot...it is

an indication of poor adrenal function....and may cause palpitations

due to low magnesium and/or low potassium.

Try and think through the implications of your reactions to any new

or altered medication.

Your doctor may not have the time to explain this sort of thing, but

they should, in fact, be giving a leaflet of general advice with

respect to any drug regime that they prescribe and not just rely on

the PIL that comes with any POM medicine.

The same advice applies to anyone taking thyroid or anti-thyroid

meds where there is a potential for adrenal crisis....either, those

already experiencing the runs will be possibly hyperthyroid and/or

short of cortisol.

Those who are hypothyroid and taking 'thyroxine' meds may experience

intermittent episodes when they do go 'over the top' on thyroid

hormone(s).

Important Note:-

[..Glycyrrhetinic acid, the 'active' compound in Liquorice that

blocks the enzyme ( 11Beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase ) is removed

from Deglycyrrhised Liquorice and the latter can be used longer term

with reduced risk of causing an adrenal crisis...]

see WF Ganong in 'Review of Medical Physiology', 21st edition 2003

p379

best wishes

Bob

>

> I am on day 5 of the armour thyroid. Last night was very restless,

> more so than normal and 'twitchy' - I have to say I am very

scared.

> I am dipping in and out of Dr Peatfield's book but finding it

> difficult to retain any information.

>

> I am taking my pulse and temp am and about 10 pm but not sure what

> that's showing. I haven't taken the AT this am as don't want the

> anxiety I had yesterday afternoon - perhaps I just have to work

> through it.

>

> I took Nutri Adrenal Extra from April to October at 2 a day and

then

> as it didn't seem to be working (saliva tests showed low cortisol)

> the new nutritionist switched me to Dr 's dynamite adrenals

in

> December - post all the tests she organised. So I take:

>

> dynamite adrenals

> licorice 2 x in the am

> this week I added siberian ginseng from Sheila's advice

>

> Is this enough adrenal support? My nutrtionist (who has worked

with

> Dr Peatfield) wants me to do another saliva test now to see if the

> dynamite adrenals has in fact made any difference - do you think I

> should take it now in the midst of all this? Is this a true

> reflection? Sorry not to be able to make a decision. I will order

> some more Nutri Adrenal Extra today too - I don't think the xylitol

> in the d adrenals is helping sugar craving which I know doesn't

help

> the little adrenals - how I have neglected them all these years,

> bingeing and starving .... In the midst of yesterday I did overeat

> so I know it is all getting to me.

>

> The nutritionist has been excellent, supporting the thyroid and

> adrenals with supplements but believes we are not shifting them and

> I need extra help with the actual glandulars. However, she can't

> recommend them - off the record she said armour thyroid is better.

> So I am really in between her support and waiting for Dr Peatfield

> appointment. Feeling on the ice and sliding ....

>

> Maybe my adrenals are too shot to bits to cope with armour

> thyroid???? Or am I just being a baby???

>

> Reassurance, advice appreciated.

>

> Thanks a lot.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bob - not sure I understand though. My cortisol is low - the

licorice is from Nutri-Link Ltd, not from a sweet shop. Probably

have totally misread what you wrote - my brain is befuddled.

I am taking the armour thyroid off my own back prior to seeing Dr

Peatfield at the end of March. My doctor knows I am but can't

prescribe as the endocrinologist says I am 'normal' although I have

very nigh antibody count.

I can't evaluate much at the moment .... Everything needs to be

very simple.

My bowels have become looser this week so I think from what you say

my adrenals don't like the armour thyroid.

> >

> > I am on day 5 of the armour thyroid. Last night was very

restless,

> > more so than normal and 'twitchy' - I have to say I am very

> scared.

> > I am dipping in and out of Dr Peatfield's book but finding it

> > difficult to retain any information.

> >

> > I am taking my pulse and temp am and about 10 pm but not sure

what

> > that's showing. I haven't taken the AT this am as don't want

the

> > anxiety I had yesterday afternoon - perhaps I just have to work

> > through it.

> >

> > I took Nutri Adrenal Extra from April to October at 2 a day and

> then

> > as it didn't seem to be working (saliva tests showed low

cortisol)

> > the new nutritionist switched me to Dr 's dynamite

adrenals

> in

> > December - post all the tests she organised. So I take:

> >

> > dynamite adrenals

> > licorice 2 x in the am

> > this week I added siberian ginseng from Sheila's advice

> >

> > Is this enough adrenal support? My nutrtionist (who has worked

> with

> > Dr Peatfield) wants me to do another saliva test now to see if

the

> > dynamite adrenals has in fact made any difference - do you think

I

> > should take it now in the midst of all this? Is this a true

> > reflection? Sorry not to be able to make a decision. I will

order

> > some more Nutri Adrenal Extra today too - I don't think the

xylitol

> > in the d adrenals is helping sugar craving which I know doesn't

> help

> > the little adrenals - how I have neglected them all these years,

> > bingeing and starving .... In the midst of yesterday I did

overeat

> > so I know it is all getting to me.

> >

> > The nutritionist has been excellent, supporting the thyroid and

> > adrenals with supplements but believes we are not shifting them

and

> > I need extra help with the actual glandulars. However, she

can't

> > recommend them - off the record she said armour thyroid is

better.

> > So I am really in between her support and waiting for Dr

Peatfield

> > appointment. Feeling on the ice and sliding ....

> >

> > Maybe my adrenals are too shot to bits to cope with armour

> > thyroid???? Or am I just being a baby???

> >

> > Reassurance, advice appreciated.

> >

> > Thanks a lot.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Keri,

Nutrimeds liquorice will have glycyrrhetinic acid in it and should be

a standardised amount, look on the label...I've no idea how much the

sweets have in them ~ live near Pontefract, and they'll tell you.

I don't have personal or second-hand experience with Armour thyroid

(Sheila will help on that one) but I know improved thyroid status

does help bowel motility, ie less constipated.

It's likely a combination of the two..thyroid/adrenal..but more

likley to be adrenal if the stools are 'watery'....ie

mineralocorticoids are low.....in an adrenal crisis, you may need

both cortisol and fludrocort ( to compensate for low

mineralocorticoids ) ..and why caution is need using liquorice....

but a doctor should be available to quickly diagnose exactly what is

wrong and get admission to emergency care, out-of-hours or during the

daytime...should you become rapidly dehydrated.

That's when magnesium and potassium can become dangerously imbalanced

and the blood chemistry can go wrong.

This is in the form of a caution, and is not meant to

alarm .....everyone has to know this information if they are on

thyroid meds.

best wishes

Bob

> > >

> > > I am on day 5 of the armour thyroid. Last night was very

> restless,

> > > more so than normal and 'twitchy' - I have to say I am very

> > scared.

> > > I am dipping in and out of Dr Peatfield's book but finding it

> > > difficult to retain any information.

> > >

> > > I am taking my pulse and temp am and about 10 pm but not sure

> what

> > > that's showing. I haven't taken the AT this am as don't want

> the

> > > anxiety I had yesterday afternoon - perhaps I just have to work

> > > through it.

> > >

> > > I took Nutri Adrenal Extra from April to October at 2 a day and

> > then

> > > as it didn't seem to be working (saliva tests showed low

> cortisol)

> > > the new nutritionist switched me to Dr 's dynamite

> adrenals

> > in

> > > December - post all the tests she organised. So I take:

> > >

> > > dynamite adrenals

> > > licorice 2 x in the am

> > > this week I added siberian ginseng from Sheila's advice

> > >

> > > Is this enough adrenal support? My nutrtionist (who has worked

> > with

> > > Dr Peatfield) wants me to do another saliva test now to see if

> the

> > > dynamite adrenals has in fact made any difference - do you

think

> I

> > > should take it now in the midst of all this? Is this a true

> > > reflection? Sorry not to be able to make a decision. I will

> order

> > > some more Nutri Adrenal Extra today too - I don't think the

> xylitol

> > > in the d adrenals is helping sugar craving which I know doesn't

> > help

> > > the little adrenals - how I have neglected them all these

years,

> > > bingeing and starving .... In the midst of yesterday I did

> overeat

> > > so I know it is all getting to me.

> > >

> > > The nutritionist has been excellent, supporting the thyroid and

> > > adrenals with supplements but believes we are not shifting them

> and

> > > I need extra help with the actual glandulars. However, she

> can't

> > > recommend them - off the record she said armour thyroid is

> better.

> > > So I am really in between her support and waiting for Dr

> Peatfield

> > > appointment. Feeling on the ice and sliding ....

> > >

> > > Maybe my adrenals are too shot to bits to cope with armour

> > > thyroid???? Or am I just being a baby???

> > >

> > > Reassurance, advice appreciated.

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I would stop your Armour altogether for the moment Keri - because you are not going to get any benefit until your adrenals have been boosted. You might now need Isocort - I am sure I have posted this already today, but too busy to find out LOL! Isocort is stronger than NAE but not as strong as Cortisol.

You have to wait to take your Armour until these have been sorted.

luv - Sheila

Maybe my adrenals are too shot to bits to cope with armour thyroid???? Or am I just being a baby???Reassurance, advice appreciated.Thanks a lot.

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[Guest guest]

One of the symptoms of hypothyroidism is constipation. Once you start taking a supplement like Armour thyroid that contains all the thyroid hormones your body requires, the T3 (triiodothyronine) starts to make your bowel function again. It is not that your adrenals don't like the Armour Keri. Many people find they have loose stools when they start Armour and then they settle down to normal. Nothing to worry about.

Luv - Sheila

Thanks Bob - not sure I understand though. My cortisol is low - the licorice is from Nutri-Link Ltd, not from a sweet shop. Probably have totally misread what you wrote - my brain is befuddled.I am taking the armour thyroid off my own back prior to seeing Dr Peatfield at the end of March. My doctor knows I am but can't prescribe as the endocrinologist says I am 'normal' although I have very nigh antibody count.I can't evaluate much at the moment .... Everything needs to be very simple.My bowels have become looser this week so I think from what you say my adrenals don't like the armour thyroid.> >> > I am on day 5 of the armour thyroid. Last night was very restless, > > more so than normal and 'twitchy' - I have to say I am very > scared. > > I am dipping in and out of Dr Peatfield's book but finding it > > difficult to retain any information.> > > > I am taking my pulse and temp am and about 10 pm but not sure what > > that's showing. I haven't taken the AT this am as don't want the > > anxiety I had yesterday afternoon - perhaps I just have to work > > through it.> > > > I took Nutri Adrenal Extra from April to October at 2 a day and > then > > as it didn't seem to be working (saliva tests showed low cortisol) > > the new nutritionist switched me to Dr 's dynamite adrenals > in > > December - post all the tests she organised. So I take:> > > > dynamite adrenals> > licorice 2 x in the am> > this week I added siberian ginseng from Sheila's advice> > > > Is this enough adrenal support? My nutrtionist (who has worked > with > > Dr Peatfield) wants me to do another saliva test now to see if the > > dynamite adrenals has in fact made any difference - do you think I > > should take it now in the midst of all this? Is this a true > > reflection? Sorry not to be able to make a decision. I will order > > some more Nutri Adrenal Extra today too - I don't think the xylitol > > in the d adrenals is helping sugar craving which I know doesn't > help > > the little adrenals - how I have neglected them all these years, > > bingeing and starving .... In the midst of yesterday I did overeat > > so I know it is all getting to me.> > > > The nutritionist has been excellent, supporting the thyroid and > > adrenals with supplements but believes we are not shifting them and > > I need extra help with the actual glandulars. However, she can't > > recommend them - off the record she said armour thyroid is better. > > So I am really in between her support and waiting for Dr Peatfield > > appointment. Feeling on the ice and sliding ....> > > > Maybe my adrenals are too shot to bits to cope with armour > > thyroid???? Or am I just being a baby???> > > > Reassurance, advice appreciated.> > > > Thanks a lot.> >>

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Hi Keri,

I'm in a similar place to you with adrenals (scary) and there is no way, I personally, will be treating my thyroid until I feel my adrenals are in a better place. I've taken Thorne Adrenal glandulars (because they don't contain adrenaline like the Nutri do and some people can't tolerate the extra as we have too much already) for 18 months along with Vit C, B complex, B5 plus other things I can't remember at the minute and my adrenals have taken a dive - but would I have been even worse if I hadn't been taking these things?

I've gone from stage 3 to stage 4/5 in that time (along with 2 different ongoing stressful family situations which obviously don't help) and know I'm going to need HC or Isocort before I start any thyroid treatment. I haven't even been able to tolerate a natural supplement yet (Nutri Thyroid)

It's been 6 weeks since I got these results and been waiting to see Dr P and thankfully that time has come and I see him tomorrow. I understand how you are feel waiting for the time to pass as I've been the same - I was concerned about the time that was passing me by as I can't afford to mess about now, with my adrenals obviously not being supported properly, but I've just had to hang on to the reassuring feeling of seeing Dr P.

Adrenals need Vit C , Dr P says at least 2 mgs a day (I take 1000mgs time release ones) and salt, it has to be sea salt 1/4 - 1/2 tsp in a glass of water (or Himalyan salt). Dr P does mention potassium and salt has to be in a ratio of 5 to 1 but the salt at least and Vit C would be a good thing if you're not already doing this.

Oh, and red meat - years ago I left out all salt and red meat because it was supposed to be unhealthy, then I find these are the things that healthy adrenals need! I was pleased about the red meat because I really missed it and sometimes I think your body tells you what it needs (but not sugar !) and I do feel nourished after eating beef so I added that and sea salt back in last summer.

Here is a site I found helpful:-

http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm

That's all I can bring to mind at the mo and hope it helps a little......

BW,

Gillian.

Feeling on the ice and sliding ....> > Maybe my adrenals are too shot to bits to cope with armour > thyroid???? Or am I just being a baby???> > Reassurance, advice appreciated.> > Thanks a lot.>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sheila. My bowels have been looser since I started on

Monday. I think I will just do the 1/4 grain in the morning, well I

have done that today- just reading through what you gave me earlier

in the week - anyone sensitive to AT to stay on 1/4 grain for a

while or as long as it takes to settle. Will that make a difference

or am I wasting my time with the adrenals? Constipation has always

been a problem but recently have got it under control with the help

of my nutritionist by cutting out a lot of carbs, including grains.

Re isocort, has anyone any experience? Am I better leaving this

until I see Dr Peatfield?

Luv Keri

>

> One of the symptoms of hypothyroidism is constipation. Once you

start taking a supplement like Armour thyroid that contains all the

thyroid hormones your body requires, the T3 (triiodothyronine)

starts to make your bowel function again. It is not that your

adrenals don't like the Armour Keri. Many people find they have

loose stools when they start Armour and then they settle down to

normal. Nothing to worry about.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

[Guest guest]

MESSAGE MODERATED TO REMOVE MESSAGES PREVIOUSLY READ. KERI, PLEASE WILL YOU MAKE

SURE YOU DELETE THESE BEFORE CLICKING SEND AND JUST SEND PART OF WHAT YOU ARE

RESPONDING TO. sheila

________________________

Thanks Gill. Is this your first appointment with Dr P? Who has

done all the adrenal work with you? I do have red meat now and salt

and eat regularly. I take min 2g timed release vit C a day too.

What do you mean by stage 4/5? What test is this? I would love to

know more.

Thanks, Keri

>

> Oh, and red meat - years ago I left out all salt and red meat

because it

> was supposed to be unhealthy, then I find these are the things that

> healthy adrenals need! I was pleased about the red meat because I

> really missed it and sometimes I think your body tells you what it

needs

> (but not sugar !) and I do feel nourished after eating beef so I

added

> that and sea salt back in last summer.

>

> Here is a site I found helpful:-

>

> http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm

> <http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm>

>

> That's all I can bring to mind at the mo and hope it helps a

> little......

>

> BW,

>

> Gillian.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Keri

The Armour is NOT going to work unless you stop taking it altogether and boost your adrenals. Obviously, whatever you have been taking in the past has been insufficient to boost them enough. You are NOT wasting your time with the adrenals, but you are probably wasting your time by concentrating on the Armour right now. Your adrenals are not able to tolerate the Armour and you will make things worse. I know you don't want to wait until you see Dr Peatfield, but under the circumstances you really must be patient. Concentrate on your adrenals and nothing else right now. Once boosted, you will be able to tolerate thyroid hormone replacement with no problem whatsoever.

I cannot emphacise this enough.

luv - Sheila

Thanks Sheila. My bowels have been looser since I started on Monday. I think I will just do the 1/4 grain in the morning, well I have done that today- just reading through what you gave me earlier in the week - anyone sensitive to AT to stay on 1/4 grain for a while or as long as it takes to settle. Will that make a difference or am I wasting my time with the adrenals? Constipation has always been a problem but recently have got it under control with the help of my nutritionist by cutting out a lot of carbs, including grains.Re isocort, has anyone any experience? Am I better leaving this until I see Dr Peatfield?Luv Keri>> One of the symptoms of hypothyroidism is constipation. Once you start taking a supplement like Armour thyroid that contains all the thyroid hormones your body requires, the T3 (triiodothyronine) starts to make your bowel function again. It is not that your adrenals don't like the Armour Keri. Many people find they have loose stools when they start Armour and then they settle down to normal. Nothing to worry about.> > Luv - Sheila> >

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Hi Keri,

I first saw Dr P Sept 06, 18 months ago. I started the plan he set out for me but as I get more viral from September through until spring and getting SAD, I couldn't workout was happening to me (or not as the case should be) I didn't contact him as I didn't know what to tell him and I felt a failure. Last March I started checking a website to see when his next clinic was and missed them all apparently - I should have rung or emailed his office - so that's why I've not seen him since.

I had joined the adrenalfatigue group and learnt what I know from there, although I'm the same as you and can't retain much, and if I save something to file, I forget all about it!

The stages are here:- http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%205.html

You can click through the stages and see where you are.

BW,

Gillian.

> > Thanks Gill. Is this your first appointment with Dr P? Who has> done all the adrenal work with you? I do have red meat now and salt> and eat regularly. I take min 2g timed release vit C a day too.> > What do you mean by stage 4/5? What test is this? I would love to> know more.> > Thanks, Keri

[Guest guest]

Hi Keri,

I agree totally with Sheila - you have to go steady and take your time with this. You are only going to stress your adrenals even more if you don't treat them first.

I know we are desperate to get well and get some life back but we have to go slowly. I'd forgotten about Isocort until June posted to me about it. This is another good site and you can read about Isocort here:-

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

BW,

Gillian.

> Hi Keri> > The Armour is NOT going to work unless you stop taking it altogether and boost your adrenals. Obviously, whatever you have been taking in the past has been insufficient to boost them enough. You are NOT wasting your time with the adrenals, but you are probably wasting your time by concentrating on the Armour right now. Your adrenals are not able to tolerate the Armour and you will make things worse. I know you don't want to wait until you see Dr Peatfield, but under the circumstances you really must be patient. Concentrate on your adrenals and nothing else right now. Once boosted, you will be able to tolerate thyroid hormone replacement with no problem whatsoever.> > I cannot emphacise this enough.> > luv - Sheila

[Guest guest]

Do you think you should make a follow-up appointment with Dr Peatfield Gillian. You can see his clionic venues in our website www.tpa-uk.org.uk and look in the right hand column on the Home Page under "Dr Peatfield's clinic updates". Where in the UK are you - I think you told us, but I have forgotten.

luv - Sheila

Hi Keri,

I first saw Dr P Sept 06, 18 months ago. I started the plan he set out for me but as I get more viral from September through until spring and getting SAD, I couldn't workout was happening to me (or not as the case should be) I didn't contact him as I didn't know what to tell him and I felt a failure. Last March I started checking a website to see when his next clinic was and missed them all apparently - I should have rung or emailed his office - so that's why I've not seen him since.

I had joined the adrenalfatigue group and learnt what I know from there, although I'm the same as you and can't retain much, and if I save something to file, I forget all about it!

The stages are here:- http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%205.html

You can click through the stages and see where you are.

BW,

Gillian.

> > Thanks Gill. Is this your first appointment with Dr P? Who has> done all the adrenal work with you? I do have red meat now and salt> and eat regularly. I take min 2g timed release vit C a day too.> > What do you mean by stage 4/5? What test is this? I would love to> know more.> > Thanks, Keri

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

I'm in Derbyshire and seeing DrP in the morning at Castle Donington -

thanks for checking on me.......

BW,

Gillian.

>

> Do you think you should make a follow-up appointment with Dr Peatfield

Gillian. You can see his clionic venues in our website www.tpa-uk.org.uk

and look in the right hand column on the Home Page under " Dr Peatfield's

clinic updates " . Where in the UK are you - I think you told us, but I

have forgotten.

>

> luv - Sheila

[Guest guest]

Have a good consultation Gillian - I know you will, but let us know how you got on.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Sheila,I'm in Derbyshire and seeing DrP in the morning at Castle Donington -thanks for checking on me.......BW,Gillian.>> Do you think you should make a follow-up appointment with Dr PeatfieldGillian. You can see his clionic venues in our website www.tpa-uk.org.ukand look in the right hand column on the Home Page under "Dr Peatfield'sclinic updates". Where in the UK are you - I think you told us, but Ihave forgotten.>> luv - Sheila

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[Guest guest]

Thank you Sheila, and I will :-)

BW,

Gillian.

>

> Have a good consultation Gillian - I know you will, but let us know

how you got on.

>

> Luv - Sheila

[Guest guest]

I am really getting the message now BUT are you both (Gill and Sheila)

suggesting I wait until I see Dr P or I start to do more for my

adrenals now? I see Dr P at end March.

That site 'stop the thyroid madness' is very interesting but so many

people are on so many different supplements - don't know where to

start. I am taking dynamite adrenals, licorice, vit c, fish oil,

plant sterols, l tyrosine, siberian ginseng.

Any suggestions please? Again, I am scared as I know my adrenals are

not producing enough cortisol.

Am doing another saliva test today.

Luv Keri

[Guest guest]

>

> I am really getting the message now BUT are you both (Gill and

> Sheila)

> suggesting I wait until I see Dr P or I start to do more for my

> adrenals now? I see Dr P at end March.

I say start now. Sooner the better.

Isocort is a good place to start but it's not that easy to get hold of.

Hydrocortisone is probably where you need to be & it's easy to get hold

of from our usual favourite online pharmacies. A starting dose of

5/5/5/5mg daily would be good though you probably need more.

Rosie

[Guest guest]

> Isocort is a good place to start but it's not that easy to get hold

of.

>

> Hydrocortisone is probably where you need to be & it's easy to get

hold

> of from our usual favourite online pharmacies. A starting dose of

> 5/5/5/5mg daily would be good though you probably need more.

>

Thank you Rosie. Could anyone give me online pharmacies for

hydrocortisone/isocort if the latter is possible to get? I've only

used the us international pharmacy for armour thyroid. Do I get the

hc from the states?

Thanks, luv keri

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Keri..

I understand how scared you are and that reading so much information can indeed make things more confusing, especially so with problems of memory and retaining infromation.

Just to reiterate, on Feb 25th, I suggested you start with adrenal supplements prior to using your Armour.

I also wrote you another message telling you about Isocort and where to find further information....

Anyways, you started Armour without additional adrenal support (apart from your dynamite adrenals, licorice, vit c, fish oil, plant sterols, l tyrosine, and siberian ginseng. I believe we mentioned that these may not be enough adrenal support if indeed your cortisol levels are so low and you are finding now that maybe further - perhaps stronger - adrenal support is needed.

Go back to the messages of the 25th February Keri and re-read them to see if there is something there that may help you....

June x

>> I am really getting the message now BUT are you both (Gill and Sheila) > suggesting I wait until I see Dr P or I start to do more for my > adrenals now? I see Dr P at end March.> > That site 'stop the thyroid madness' is very interesting but so many > people are on so many different supplements - don't know where to > start. I am taking dynamite adrenals, licorice, vit c, fish oil, > plant sterols, l tyrosine, siberian ginseng.> > Any suggestions please? Again, I am scared as I know my adrenals are > not producing enough cortisol.> > Am doing another saliva test today.> > Luv Keri>

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>

> I also wrote you another message telling you about Isocort and where

to

> find further information....

>

>Thank you for being patient and repeating it all again.

> Go back to the messages of the 25th February Keri and re-read them to

> see if there is something there that may help you....

Yes, I will thank you.

Keri x

>

>

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> I also wrote you another message telling you about Isocort and where

to

> find further information....

>

Keri again, gone back to the messages. Can't see the isocort pharmacy

link. Couldn't see it on the stop the thyroid madness site - sorry,

could you spell it out ...

Thank you.

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Hi Keri

There used to be an over-the-counter version of low dose cortisol

(2.5mg) for mouth ulcers...phone your pharmacy and ask if they have

any?

best wishes

Bob

>

> I am on day 5 of the armour thyroid. Last night was very restless,

> more so than normal and 'twitchy' - I have to say I am very

scared.

> I am dipping in and out of Dr Peatfield's book but finding it

> difficult to retain any information.

>

> I am taking my pulse and temp am and about 10 pm but not sure what

> that's showing. I haven't taken the AT this am as don't want the

> anxiety I had yesterday afternoon - perhaps I just have to work

> through it.

>

> I took Nutri Adrenal Extra from April to October at 2 a day and

then

> as it didn't seem to be working (saliva tests showed low cortisol)

> the new nutritionist switched me to Dr 's dynamite adrenals

in

> December - post all the tests she organised. So I take:

>

> dynamite adrenals

> licorice 2 x in the am

> this week I added siberian ginseng from Sheila's advice

>

> Is this enough adrenal support? My nutrtionist (who has worked

with

> Dr Peatfield) wants me to do another saliva test now to see if the

> dynamite adrenals has in fact made any difference - do you think I

> should take it now in the midst of all this? Is this a true

> reflection? Sorry not to be able to make a decision. I will order

> some more Nutri Adrenal Extra today too - I don't think the xylitol

> in the d adrenals is helping sugar craving which I know doesn't

help

> the little adrenals - how I have neglected them all these years,

> bingeing and starving .... In the midst of yesterday I did overeat

> so I know it is all getting to me.

>

> The nutritionist has been excellent, supporting the thyroid and

> adrenals with supplements but believes we are not shifting them and

> I need extra help with the actual glandulars. However, she can't

> recommend them - off the record she said armour thyroid is better.

> So I am really in between her support and waiting for Dr Peatfield

> appointment. Feeling on the ice and sliding ....

>

> Maybe my adrenals are too shot to bits to cope with armour

> thyroid???? Or am I just being a baby???

>

> Reassurance, advice appreciated.

>

> Thanks a lot.

>

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If you have low adrenal reserve, then you must boost your adrenals before even thinking about starting Armour or any other thyroid hormone replacement, but you must not start on hydrocortisone until you have seen Dr Peatfield or another professional who knows what they are talking about. Nutri Adrenal Extra usually works fine for the majority of people, but as you have been on a similar product and you still have not got them boosted sufficiently, you could try Isocort. This is not as strong as Cortisone but stronger than NAE.

STTM is an American based forum and it is a fact that people from other countries have different ways of treating and different supplements than here in the UK. You have to decide whether you want to go with the recommendations of STTM or with those of TPA-UK (which is for UK citizens with particular interest in NHS problems) but please don't mix up the two and try to decide which one is better than the other. This is going to cause you even more confusion than you are experiencing already, and you are probably not doing yourself any favours.

Wait and see what your salivary test shows, and we can take it from there.

Luv - Sheila

That site 'stop the thyroid madness' is very interesting but so many people are on so many different supplements - don't know where to start. I am taking dynamite adrenals, licorice, vit c, fish oil, plant sterols, l tyrosine, siberian ginseng.Any suggestions please? Again, I am scared as I know my adrenals are not producing enough cortisol.Am doing another saliva test today.Luv Keri

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Nobody should be starting themselves in Hydrocortisone without the recommendation of a doctor or being monitored by a doctor. Treating using Cortisone can be tricky and dangerous if done by somebody who doesn't know what they are doing. A medication like Isocort works well for some of those people who need more than Nutri Adrenal Extra. Wait until you see Dr Peatfield at the end of this month Keri before going down that road.

Luv - Sheila

>> I am really getting the message now BUT are you both (Gill and > Sheila) > suggesting I wait until I see Dr P or I start to do more for my > adrenals now? I see Dr P at end March.I say start now. Sooner the better.Isocort is a good place to start but it's not that easy to get hold of.Hydrocortisone is probably where you need to be & it's easy to get hold of from our usual favourite online pharmacies. A starting dose of 5/5/5/5mg daily would be good though you probably need more.Rosie

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Hi Keri...

I did not incluse a direct link to where you may purchase Isocort r HC. It would not have been prudent for me to do so...

However, if you research by googling Isocort, you will come across a number of sites where you may purchase it from - again I found Isocort to be a good middle ground between Nutri Adrenal Extra and HC.

Personally, I purchase my Bezwecken Isocort from a company called forresthealth. You will in all probablility come across their website when doing your own research, it is www.forresthealth.com

I suspect you will be nervous about commencing any new drug protocol, but let me show you how I personally began to take Isocort safely until I was taking 8 tablets a day - which I still am.

It is important to gradually acclimatise yourself in this way. Each Isocort tablet is believed to contain approximately 2.5mg cortisol. I say approximately because there does not seem to be a definitive on this that I can find.

By the end of the 20 days, your body will be receiving the Isocort in the same rytham as you would naturally if you were producing it yourself.

If you go doem the HC route, then this medication protocol should be followed in exactly the same way.

June x

Day 1-3: 1 tablet first thing in the AM (2.5 mg total)

Day 4-6: 1 tablet first thing, 1 tablet in four hours (5 mg total)

Day 7-9: 1 tablet first thing; 1 tablet in four hours; 1 tablet in four hours (7 1/2 mg total)

Day 10-12: 2 tablets first thing; 1 tablet in four hours; 1 tablet in four hours (10 mg total)

Day 13-16: 2 tablets first thing; 2 tablets in four hours; 1 tablet in four hours; 1 tablet at bedtime (15 mg total)

Day 17-20: 4 tablets first thing; 2 tablets in four hours; 1 tablet in four hours; Bedtime 1 tabet (20 mg total)

>> > I also wrote you another message telling you about Isocort and where > to> > find further information....> >> Keri again, gone back to the messages. Can't see the isocort pharmacy > link. Couldn't see it on the stop the thyroid madness site - sorry, > could you spell it out ...> > Thank you.>