Guest guest Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Hi I took Eltroxin for 2 weeks and also found it very weak, it slowed me up quite a lot and I've been feeling tired, I wanted to try it because I thought it was the best but was disappointed. Alpharma works best for me. Chris > > > > I am at present on 100 mcg Eltroxin and feeling reasonably ok, but I > am still not " right " - main complaints are subnormal temps, bad cold > night sweats, and the odd hot flush during the day time and sudden > extreme tiredness on some (but not all) afternoons with almost > comatose afternoon sleep pattern - which is fairly new and has > occured since I'm taking Eltroxine as opposed to Levothyroxine ... > could there be a connection or is this co-incidence? > > Love, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Hi , I don't know if the formulation change for Eltroxin was just in New Zealand, but it may have something to do with your experience. One might expect a comatose sleep pattern in the afternoon if your cortisol level drops suddenly....sleep allows you to restore some cortisol. If you try and stay awake and the adrenalin gets kicked into play, you might experience both a rapid glucose drop and irritation with others. The afternoon crash is quite common; the older one gets the more likely that an afternoon crash will let you sleep for an hour or so. If you take any hydrocortisone in low doses to combat this afternoon drop, be carfeul that you don't disrupt your normal sleep pattern in doing so. DHEA or 7-keto DHEA in small amounts may help to sustain the sex hormones in the absence of the full biochemical pathway from Cholesterol. The enzymes that matter may not work well in hypothyroid conditions, reducing the cortisol etc output. best wishes Bob > > > Hi all, > > Could somebody please clarify something for me.... > Dr. Peatfield says in his book that one approach to support the > adrenals is to use either pregnenolone, DHEA or Keto7 DHEA ... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 Hello Bob,***I don't know if the formulation change for Eltroxin was just in NewZealand, but it may have something to do with your experience. I'd been wondering about that too. I don't know if the changes made to Eltroxin were the same worldwide. Does anybody know? http://www.stuff.co.nz/southlandtimes/4575143a6568.htmlOne might expect a comatose sleep pattern in the afternoon if yourcortisol level drops suddenly....sleep allows you to restore somecortisol.If you try and stay awake and the adrenalin gets kicked into play,you might experience both a rapid glucose drop and irritation withothers. This is exactly what I am experiencing. I have been very sleepy in the afternoons for years, even before I started on Levothyroxine, but it got better with medication - then this tiredness started up again after I'd switched to Eltroxin... and yes, when I do not give in and have a nap, I feel irritated with all and everything until I get over this point and then I'm 'normal' again - whatever 'normal' is !! - But other things have improved on Eltroxin, like hot flushes during the day and palps. However, cold night sweats (and consequent frequent waking up) have increased ... go figure ! ***The afternoon crash is quite common; the older one gets the morelikely that an afternoon crash will let you sleep for an hour or so. Ok, I accept that .... but why is it that I can't just have a nap for an hour like everybody else, and then get up refreshed? When I put my head down for an afternoon snooze, I just want to keep sleeping until the next morning. If I force myself to get up, I'm in a daze and walk about like a zombie for nearly an hour before I get a grip again. ***If you take any hydrocortisone in low doses to combat this afternoondrop, be carfeul that you don't disrupt your normal sleep pattern indoing so. 'Normal' sleep pattern?? What's that?? Haven't had one in years . -- I am scared about starting on any kind of HC for fear I'll never come off it again. I am hoping that I can get my adrenals back on track with supplements like NAE or 's Dynamite. The Dynamite is definitely working, only it is so prohibitively expensive. I had been taking NAE and Nutri-thyroid for over a year and did not get far with it. The Dynamite kicked in straight away - but because of cost I was looking at Keto7 and hoping I could use that instead.... ***DHEA or 7-keto DHEA in small amounts may help to sustain the sexhormones in the absence of the full biochemical pathway fromCholesterol. The enzymes that matter may not work well in hypothyroidconditions, reducing the cortisol etc output.Right - now, this is the part I do not fully understand . Would you please re-phrase this para for me? I can't work out whether I should or should not try Keto7 in lieu of other adrenal help. I know from previous blood tests that my oestradiol levels are low, but then it always says 'represents post menopausal status' - which I don't fully accept, since I still get those debilitating hot flushes and cold night sweats after nearly 11 years of "going through the change"... therefore I'd call it 'menopausal' and not 'post-menopausal'. But not to put too fine a point on this, it seems that what I need in the afternoons is cortisol - so will Keto7 provide this for me in the afternoon, if I were to take 25 mg in the morning ?? My last morning serum cortisol levels were 353 - what happens to my levels in the afternoons is anybody's guess . Many thanks , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 Hi and everybody, have you yet completed the survey. Please do so in order that Goldshield Pharmaceuticals can get your feedback to help them improve their product. Luv - Sheila Goldshield Pharmaceuticals Patient Survey (Levothyroxine) PLEASE SIGN Goldshield Pharmaceuticals, one of the manufacturers of levothyroxine tablets have contacted TPA-UK to say they are currently addressing some of the issues faced by patients taking levothyroxine products. They have asked if members of TPA-UK would participate in a short survey? The aim of the questionnaire is to understand if there is a need to improve existing thyroxine therapies and whether there are unmet needs to either modify existing or developing new presentations. Please take part http://www.tpa-uk..org.uk/goldshield_survey.php > I took Eltroxin for 2 weeks and also found it very weak, it slowed me > up quite a lot and I've been feeling tired, I wanted to try it because > I thought it was the best but was disappointed. Alpharma works best > for me.> > Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 Hi Sheila, Yes, thanks - I've just done the survey. Not sure they'll like my suggestions, as I find their questions rather tedious and repetitive. Why spend all this money for a survey on rather obvious, suggestive questions like would it be a good idea to colour code different strength, to score the tablets or to increase the physical size ?? Do they really need a nation- or worldwide survey to be told the answers to common sense? So I gave them some food for thought.... <G> Love, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 Hiya Ive just looked at this survey again and all they seem to want to know is if you are happy with the packaging and scoring etc which I dont give two hoots about, nothing about whether it works or not or how well it works. Where have you put your comments in the very last box? Chris > > Hi - good - I am pleased you have given them food for thought. Actually, I think this is what they need as they have apparently had several complaints in one way or another. One of the suggestions that I gave them was that they also consider those sufferers who are sensitive to the fillers in levothyroxine and that they make a pure form (as dales do) so these can be more readily available for those who need them. > > > Luv - Sheila > > > Re: Keto 7 DHEA question > > > Hi Sheila, > > Yes, thanks - I've just done the survey. Not sure they'll like my > suggestions, as I find their questions rather tedious and repetitive. > Why spend all this money for a survey on rather obvious, suggestive > questions like would it be a good idea to colour code different > strength, to score the tablets or to increase the physical size ?? Do > they really need a nation- or worldwide survey to be told the answers > to common sense? > So I gave them some food for thought.... <G> > > Love, > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1537 - Release Date: 06/07/2008 05:26 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 MODERATED TO REMOVE MESSAGES ALREADY READ FOR THOSE MEMBERS WHO HAVE OPTED TO RECEIVE INDIVIDUAL EMAILS OR READ DIRECTLY FROM THE WEBSITE. THEY HAVE TOO MUCH TO SCROLL THROUGH TO GET TO THE NEXT MESSAGE AND GET FRUSTRATED. IT ALSO ADDS TO MY WORKLOAD IN HAVING TO DELETE THEM BEFORE APPROVING THE MESSAGES - LUV - SHEILA __________________________________________ Ok thanks Sheila I go back to it now. Chris > > Any other changes, please state - RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM. You could add what you want about whether for you, it works or it doesn't work. However, I think they are already aware about that, they must be told all the time by some people that it isn't working for them, and from others, that it is working. > > Luv - Sheila > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 Where have you put your comments in the very > last box? Hi Yes, I put quite a long reply in the last box ... Like you, I don't give a hoot about the packaging etc - and I told them so (politely). Those questions are just nonsense. So I decided to give them some feedback on how I actually FEEL on 'Eltroxin' as opposed to on'Levothyroxine'. The good points and the bad ones. It's probably not what they wanted to hear, but if enough people give them feedback, perhaps some good will come of it. Love, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 Hi , Http://www.wholehealthproducts.com do good supplements as do http://www.biovea.com since taking DHEA I have managed to reduce prednisolone by half so it does have a good effect . The symptoms you describe sound like failure to convert the T4 to T3 have you considered Armour? Subject: Keto 7 DHEA question Hi all, Could somebody please clarify something for me.... Dr. Peatfield says in his book that one approach to support the adrenals is to use either pregnenolone, DHEA or Keto7 DHEA ... Do I understand correctly that Keto7 could be tried for adrenal support? I am at present on 100 mcg Eltroxin and feeling reasonably ok, but I am still not " right " - main complaints are subnormal temps, bad cold night sweats, and the odd hot flush during the day time and sudden extreme tiredness on some (but not all) afternoons with almost comatose afternoon sleep pattern - which is fairly new and has occured since I'm taking Eltroxine as opposed to Levothyroxine ... could there be a connection or is this co-incidence? Love, ------------------------------------ Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing medication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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