Re: Myxoedema questions

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Have a look here Helen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myxedema#Causes

Luv - Sheila

Myxoedema questions

Dear all,Has anyone found references about the substance that builds up in the tissues in hypothyroid (myxoedema)? Is it polysaccharide, lipid or protein, or just a mixture of cell waste?Does it build up in the cells, the interstitial spaces or the lymphatic system?What is the reason (the mechanism) that it accumulates in hypothyroid?Is there a nutritional strategy for helping the body to get rid of it?Helen x

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Thanks Sheila,

Interesting that it's seen as related just to the skin layers, I had

thought it was a far more widespread reaction, not least because I

have a congested lymphatic system, assumed that was linked to hypoT.

So I guess the detox route is skin->(lymph or blood)->liver,

supported by the right levels of thyroid hormones. Would need

enzymes too to break down these large molecules if they've been

accumulated in the skin for a long time.

Helen x

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> Have a look here Helen

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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myxedema#Causes

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> Luv - Sheila

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> Myxoedema questions

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> Dear all,

> Has anyone found references about the substance that builds up

in the

> tissues in hypothyroid (myxoedema)?

> Is it polysaccharide, lipid or protein, or just a mixture of

cell

> waste?

> Does it build up in the cells, the interstitial spaces or the

> lymphatic system?

> What is the reason (the mechanism) that it accumulates in

hypothyroid?

> Is there a nutritional strategy for helping the body to get rid

of it?

>

> Helen x

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Helen, I'm following your thread with interest as you have asked

about things I would also like answers to.

I was wondering if you have investigated lymphatic drainage massage?

Unfortunately some people say to avoid it if you have thyroid

problems which puts one in a quandrary if there is a possibility it

could help with thyroid symptoms and swelling. Perhaps other forum

members have explored that avenue with no ill-effect?

Tracey

>

> Thanks Sheila,

> Interesting that it's seen as related just to the skin layers, I

had

> thought it was a far more widespread reaction, not least because I

> have a congested lymphatic system, assumed that was linked to

hypoT.

> So I guess the detox route is skin->(lymph or blood)->liver,

> supported by the right levels of thyroid hormones. Would need

> enzymes too to break down these large molecules if they've been

> accumulated in the skin for a long time.

>

> Helen x

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Hi Tracey, There's no-one in our area who does lymphatic drainage, but

if it's not advised for thyroid, I won't try. I do know that skin

brushing and rebounder helps, so I should get back to those.

I've been thinking that a full detox diet (low protein, low fat, high

carbs, high veggies) would be needed to clear the tissues, but it

conflicts with the need to keep blood sugar stable with higher protein

for adrenals. And probably not a good idea until my metabolism and my

energy has stabilised a bit. I could add some enzymes now though.

Helen x

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> Helen, I'm following your thread with interest as you have asked

> about things I would also like answers to.

>

> I was wondering if you have investigated lymphatic drainage massage?

> Unfortunately some people say to avoid it if you have thyroid

> problems which puts one in a quandrary if there is a possibility it

> could help with thyroid symptoms and swelling. Perhaps other forum

> members have explored that avenue with no ill-effect?

>

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Helen, the diet you descibe is very similar to how I normally eat

though I am personally making a greater effort to increase my

protein intake as I have a tendency to be deficient otherwise. I can

honestly say, it makes no difference whatsoever! I rarely drink

alcohol either and only drink about 2 cups of coffee a week.

Maybe you will get results from a detox if you have toxins to get

rid of. Alas even with my clean diet and clean living, I STILL have

the problems.

I don't know if saunas work as I struggle in humid conditions - but

many people swear that saunas help them get rid of their toxins.

They tend to be the people who go for the ice-cold water plunges

though! Brrr, chilly!

Tracey

>

> Hi Tracey, There's no-one in our area who does lymphatic drainage,

but

> if it's not advised for thyroid, I won't try. I do know that skin

> brushing and rebounder helps, so I should get back to those.

>

> I've been thinking that a full detox diet (low protein, low fat,

high

> carbs, high veggies) would be needed to clear the tissues, but it

> conflicts with the need to keep blood sugar stable with higher

protein

> for adrenals. And probably not a good idea until my metabolism and

my

> energy has stabilised a bit. I could add some enzymes now though.

>

> Helen x

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They don't only accumulate under the skin Helen - that is where they show. They also accumulate in side most of your body and can cause all sorts of problems. When Dr Skinner was up before the GMC one thing that Professor W (expert witness for the GMC) stated was that he had NEVER heard of a patient with hypothyroidism having a headache as one of their symptoms. This was incredible that a Professor did not know that the cause of such headaches in some sufferers is because they have myxoedema, and it is the pressure of this between the brain and the skull that can cause headaches. Dr Hertoghe put this straight when he gave evidence on behalf of Dr Skinner.

Luv - Sheila

Thanks Sheila, Interesting that it's seen as related just to the skin layers, I had thought it was a far more widespread reaction, not least because I have a congested lymphatic system, assumed that was linked to hypoT. So I guess the detox route is skin->(lymph or blood)->liver, supported by the right levels of thyroid hormones. Would need enzymes too to break down these large molecules if they've been accumulated in the skin for a long time.Helen x>> Have a look here Helen> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myxedema#Causes> > Luv - Sheila> > > Myxoedema questions> > > Dear all,> Has anyone found references about the substance that builds up in the > tissues in hypothyroid (myxoedema)? > Is it polysaccharide, lipid or protein, or just a mixture of cell > waste?> Does it build up in the cells, the interstitial spaces or the > lymphatic system?> What is the reason (the mechanism) that it accumulates in hypothyroid?> Is there a nutritional strategy for helping the body to get rid of it?> > Helen x> > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1332 - Release Date: 17/03/2008 10:48>

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Hi Tracey,

I do benefit from the extra protein. I found that I was very tired on

a vegan detox diet, even if it's supposed to be doing me good and I'd

rather eat that way. I might try again though, because too much

protein does prevent the body getting rid of junk out of the cells,

and that seems to be what's needed in hypoT. And I wasn't taking NAE

before. It would alkalise the cells too, with the hyaluronic acid

factor. And fruit and raw veggies would add the enzymes.

Helen x

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> Helen, the diet you descibe is very similar to how I normally eat

> though I am personally making a greater effort to increase my

> protein intake as I have a tendency to be deficient otherwise. I can

> honestly say, it makes no difference whatsoever! I rarely drink

> alcohol either and only drink about 2 cups of coffee a week.

>

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Helen, can you please tell me how you know too much protein stops the body from getting rid of junk?

Lilian

I might try again though, because too much protein does prevent the body getting rid of junk out of the cells,

[Guest guest]

Have you tried a detox bath at home with Epsom Bath Salts? I found

various sites about this when looking for ways to help my son who has

autism:

http://www.alternativehealth.co.nz/cancer/bath.htm

http://articles.webraydian.com/article3834-Epsom_Salt__Detox_Exfoliate_a\

nd_Reduce_Stress.html

http://www.ourlittleplace.com/detox.html

I am not saying it would definitely help but it might, I have

hypothyroidism (taking 150mcg thyroxine and 90mcg liothyronine every

day) and find the Epsom Salts baths quite helpful. I bought a few large

boxes of the Salts from Boots, where they do 500g boxes for £1.19.

These detox baths seem to have a calming affect on my son as well which

can only be a good thing as he has autism and ADHD.

> I don't know if saunas work as I struggle in humid conditions - but

> many people swear that saunas help them get rid of their toxins.

> They tend to be the people who go for the ice-cold water plunges

> though! Brrr, chilly!

>

> Tracey

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Hi Lilian,

There are a number of levels to this. My understanding is:

1. too much protein interferes in the Krebs cycle for production of

energy from carbs and reduces cell energy levels.

2. the body's detox processes need high cell energy levels. I believe

chronic illness has a detox need.

3. proteins are susceptible to damage specially by sugars and once

damaged they don't respond to enzymes, so can't be removed and so clog

up the cell membranes.

4. then the cell can't receive the nutrients it needs or get rid of

waste so cell energy is reduced

5. proteins encourage " bad " bacteria (protein-digesting) in the bowel

so add increased load to the liver taking it away from dealing with

other toxins.

6. also meat protein comes with saturated fat, other chemicals and

hormones that we don't need and the liver needs to deal with them too.

We do need protein (actually amino acids) but not at the high levels

many of us eat. On the other hand protein stimulates glucagon release

which opposes insulin so the blood sugar is more stable and helps the

adrenals.

This is a bit wordy, even simplified! I learned this from studying

nutritional medicine but I must admit have struggled seriously to find

the balance for myself.

Helen x

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> Helen, can you please tell me how you know too much protein stops

the body from getting rid of junk?

>

> Lilian

> I might try again though, because too much

> protein does prevent the body getting rid of junk out of the cells,

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Helen.

Lilian

There are a number of levels to this. My understanding is:

[Guest guest]

Hi Lilian

Yes, too much protein can stop your body getting rid of junk and cause severe constipation. Read on....

http://www.thewolfeclinic.com/newsletter/newsletter0205.html

Luv - Sheila

Helen, can you please tell me how you know too much protein stops the body from getting rid of junk?

Lilian

I might try again though, because too much protein does prevent the body getting rid of junk out of the cells,

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Hi Helen,

From personal experience it just disappeared when I got the right

thyroid meds. Some was straight fluid retention and the rest was a steady

weight loss. I don't look as bloated as I did- my cheekbones came back!

I believe it is polymucosaccaride build up.

Subject: Myxoedema questions

Dear all,

Has anyone found references about the substance that builds up in the

tissues in hypothyroid (myxoedema)?

Is it polysaccharide, lipid or protein, or just a mixture of cell

waste?

Does it build up in the cells, the interstitial spaces or the

lymphatic system?

What is the reason (the mechanism) that it accumulates in hypothyroid?

Is there a nutritional strategy for helping the body to get rid of it?

Helen x

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too much protein can stop your body getting rid of junk ...

Apologies if this has come up before (I've not yet caught up with

exchanges to date), but does anyone know whether, since it is said that

toxins are stored to an extent in fat, whether fat-burning -- eg,

through endurance exercise, but also through the action of some amino

acids and herbs -- might also eliminate the toxins. If not, they might

be left behind, looking for a new home in the body!

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With infra red saunas they do not suggest anything cold afterwards, just a gentle getting back to normal before a normal shower. Much nicer.

Val

I don't know if saunas work as I struggle in humid conditions - but many people swear that saunas help them get rid of their toxins. They tend to be the people who go for the ice-cold water plunges though! Brrr, chilly!Tracey

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How much do you put in the bath? Does it leave you feeling sticky at all?

Val

find the Epsom Salts baths quite helpful. I bought a few largeboxes of the Salts from Boots, where they do 500g boxes for £1.19.These detox baths seem to have a calming affect on my son as well whichcan only be a good thing as he has autism and ADHD.

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yes, I believe that particularly some of the chemical toxins can be

stored in fat, so they will be released with fat-burning. But I've

also read that the body won't burn fat if there are too many toxins

for the liver to cope with. I don't know how true that is.

Helen x

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> too much protein can stop your body getting rid of junk ...

>

> Apologies if this has come up before (I've not yet caught up with

> exchanges to date), but does anyone know whether, since it is said

that

> toxins are stored to an extent in fat, whether fat-burning -- eg,

> through endurance exercise, but also through the action of some

amino

> acids and herbs -- might also eliminate the toxins. If not, they

might

> be left behind, looking for a new home in the body!

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Val. I use about 3 table spoons, and no stickiness.

>

> How much do you put in the bath? Does it leave you feeling sticky

at all?

>

> Val

> find the Epsom Salts baths quite helpful. I bought a few large

> boxes of the Salts from Boots, where they do 500g boxes for £1.19.

> These detox baths seem to have a calming affect on my son as well which

> can only be a good thing as he has autism and ADHD.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

HI ,

Can you tell me what difference these baths make. What happens. I have never had such a bath but I know they are very popular. I just need to know what they actually do to you and how long does any effect last?

Luv - Sheila

Hi Val. I use about 3 table spoons, and no stickiness.>> How much do you put in the bath? Does it leave you feeling stickyat all?> > Val> find the Epsom Salts baths quite helpful. I bought a few large> boxes of the Salts from Boots, where they do 500g boxes for £1.19.> These detox baths seem to have a calming affect on my son as well which> can only be a good thing as he has autism and ADHD.> > >

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Hi Sheila, & Val,

I was told to have epsom salt baths when diagnosed with Fibromyalgia and to use 500gms - seems a lot but depends on how much water you use I suppose and what you are using the bath for/how bad you are.

They are good for detox, aching muscles and are a good way to absorb magnesium which most of us seem deficient in - you should soak for at least 20 mins. They are very relaxing and your skin is silky smooth after. I can't have as many as I'd like as someone needs to be around cos I can't get in and out of the bath on my own!

I get mine in bulk, 25kgs for £26.50 delivered which works out at £1.06 per kg. and is the best quality and cheapest way to buy it if you use it a lot or like me, can't get out regularly or carry much.

In fact, I've just had a look and if you click on this link where I buy it from it tells you all about it:-

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/25kg-EPSOM-SALTS-SALT-AS-USED-AT-THE-ANDERTON-CLINIC_W0QQitemZ260221470334QQihZ016QQcategoryZ36454QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Hope this helps,

Gillian.

>> HI ,> > Can you tell me what difference these baths make. What happens. I have never had such a bath but I know they are very popular. I just need to know what they actually do to you and how long does any effect last?> > Luv - Sheila>

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Many thanks Gill - I think I will first try some from Boots and if it has a good effect, I will buy from your source.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Sheila, & Val,

I was told to have epsom salt baths when diagnosed with Fibromyalgia and to use 500gms - seems a lot but depends on how much water you use I suppose and what you are using the bath for/how bad you are.

They are good for detox, aching muscles and are a good way to absorb magnesium which most of us seem deficient in - you should soak for at least 20 mins. They are very relaxing and your skin is silky smooth after. I can't have as many as I'd like as someone needs to be around cos I can't get in and out of the bath on my own!

I get mine in bulk, 25kgs for £26.50 delivered which works out at £1.06 per kg. and is the best quality and cheapest way to buy it if you use it a lot or like me, can't get out regularly or carry much.

In fact, I've just had a look and if you click on this link where I buy it from it tells you all about it:-

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/25kg-EPSOM-SALTS-SALT-AS-USED-AT-THE-ANDERTON-CLINIC_W0QQitemZ260221470334QQihZ016QQcategoryZ36454QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Hope this helps,

Gillian.

>> HI ,> > Can you tell me what difference these baths make. What happens. I have never had such a bath but I know they are very popular. I just need to know what they actually do to you and how long does any effect last?> > Luv - Sheila>

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Magnesium sulphate paste is excellent for drawing pus out of boils as

I found when I used it to treat a golf-ball sized infected sebaceous

cyst last year. I have since used it to treat my son's molluscum

contagiosia with equally good results.

I should imagine that bathing in it in the form of epsom salts, should

have some positive effect.

Happy bathing people!

Tracey

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I used half a cup & it made the water feel very soft, & no stickiness. I did not know what volume 500g was. I always prefer to measure in cups - much less messy.

Val

Val, good luck with your bath tonight. I hope it helps you feelbetter. You might find you get a better result using more than just 3tablespoons as Gillian does.

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Can vouch for the effectiveness of the Epsom Salts. Magnesium

Sulphate baths too. Holland & Barrett had an article about

fibromyalgia about a year ago where a doctor had pointed out the link of low

magnesium in FMS sufferers (he recommended 800g but I haven’t notice any difference

using 500g). Any time I’ve done a little more extra in the way of

jobs in the garden I suffered terrible muscle pain for it and would have to

write off the next day or so. It was always worth the extra pain to

actually have something to show for my efforts. A soak for at least 20

minutes and I’m no worse than is my norm. What a find it has been

for me. I pinch my sons i-pod and make a point of singing along to a

couple of songs so it’s the rest of the household that suffers.

Enjoy.

Irene

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