Re: Re: TSI antibodies

[Guest guest]

I have e-mailed him to ask him what he routinely tests for. He has tested

all of my family (2 kids, hubby & I) for Tg Ab & TPO Ab. That is all. I

asked him what else he tests for and what would cause him to order which

tests.

>

> Need to get a list of antibodies routinely tested for by Dr B

> before making any assumptions. Also non-routinely tested for,

> and under what conditions.

>

> Carol

[Guest guest]

> ,> > I do not agree at all that they are rare, based on the numerous people> on other thyroid boards I'm on who do test positive. They might only> seem rare to him because he is not routinely running TSI antibodies on> hashi's patients, and/or is not interpreting the results correctly.

As I stated he said he only runs them when he suspects that there is a graves dx.> > It sounds like he only runs the test if he suspects Grave's. Well,> many of us Hashi's who decided to either ask for a TSI test or order> it ourselves found out to our surprise that we are positive.

That may be but he is not looking at that for some reason.

> > Anything over 2% is considered positive for Graves, even though it> shows in the so-called 'normal' range. How is Brownstein interpreting> those ranges?

I have no idea.

> > Over 2% is considered positive for Grave's, over 128% means the person> is close to going hyper and needs to be monitored.> > If he is not testing all hashi's patients AND interpreting it> according to Grave's experts, then I would venture to say that many of> his patients who are positive for TSI are not being Dx as such by him.

I would think that he would know about this if it were an issue. It can't be just a "well kept secret" among thyroid patients. He is a pretty smart man. I would ask him more but even though we are friends I don't want to over step and bother him too much. If I get another opportunity to talk to him I will. For personal reasons he doesn't need me bothering him right now.

> And it is these patients, who may not yet have an overt signs of> Grave's (but yet have the potential given the right conditions), who> cannot tolerate iodine, either low or high dose.

That may be. I don't know.

[Guest guest]

Hi, I just needed to let everyone know that I am aware that I was mistaken when I made the comment that Dr. B tests for all antibodies. When I posted yesterday, I was at work and did not have my previous lab results available to look at. I thought I was going by memory (not a good thing!) and also remembered that Dr. B mentioned to me that he does watch the antibodies. The antibodies that Dr. B does watch have continuously been moving down, down, down. I wonder how the TPO Ab & Tg Ab relate to the TSI antibody test? Is there any kind of a correlation? I am very interested .. for the people that are regularly monitoring

their TSI antibodies, what were your pre and post iodine levels at? Is this a test that I am able to order on my own? Glo cindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote: So he does test all hashi's folks for TSH receptor antibodies? Great! That is so rare...and it is so wise do always check that imo. But I've just never seen a whole lot about antibodies mentioned anywhere in his books/articles...and it seems to be a very important

part of the iodine picture imo. And specifically when you have someone as knowledgeable as Elaine on Graves warning repeatedly against iodine for Graves folks...so I just hope to hear more from brownstein on this and was disappointed this wasn't discussed more in the 3rd edition. But anyway - your TSI antibodies have gone down with iodine supplementation? WOW! And am i understanding you correctly that you no longer have TSI antibodies even dominating...so are no longer even classified as Graves - but that you do have TPO and/or Antithyroglobulin - so are just classified as Hashi's now?cindi>> From my own experience, Dr. Brownstein does test for all antibodies. My antibody levels have consistently been moving down since I began on Dr. B's protocol last fall.

> > I was diagnosed with Graves back in 2000 and am now, of course, hashi's.

[Guest guest]

I was hypo since birth, then hyper, then hypo, then hyper! No one ever did Graves testing on me that I know of. Is hyperthyroidism different from Graves? b/c the old fashioned and hopefully new fashioned treatment for hyperthyroidism is iodine for sure.

reading these groups on the internet one can see that antibodies disappear with proper treatment. It doesn't make sense to me that antibodies should be the determinant.

Gracia

,I do not agree at all that they are rare, based on the numerous peopleon other thyroid boards I'm on who do test positive. They might onlyseem rare to him because he is not routinely running TSI antibodies onhashi's patients, and/or is not interpreting the results correctly.It sounds like he only runs the test if he suspects Grave's. Well,many of us Hashi's who decided to either ask for a TSI test or orderit ourselves found out to our surprise that we are positive.Anything over 2% is considered positive for Graves, even though itshows in the so-called 'normal' range. How is Brownstein interpretingthose ranges? Over 2% is considered positive for Grave's, over 128% means the personis close to going hyper and needs to be monitored.If he is not testing all hashi's patients AND interpreting itaccording to Grave's experts, then I would venture to say that many ofhis patients who are positive for TSI are not being Dx as such by him.And it is these patients, who may not yet have an overt signs ofGrave's (but yet have the potential given the right conditions), whocannot tolerate iodine, either low or high dose.---

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[Guest guest]

What is the cause of the antibodies?

Irene

At 07:36 AM 2/15/2008, you wrote:

This seems to me, as in Hashi's

that they are not addressing the cause of the antibodies,

only treating the symptoms.

Linn

>

> Quoting Elaine : " The goal in treating Graves' disease is

to lower

> thyroid hormone levels and to heal the immune system. When the

immune system

> is functioning properly, it stops producing TSI and patients

achieve

> remission. Anti-thyroid drugs help the immune system heal because

they cause

> the immune system to slow down. Avoiding environmental triggers such

as

> excess iodine and cigarette smoke also helps. So do a nutrient-rich

diet and

> an avoidance of stress. " Notice she says " excess

iodine. "

>

>

http://www.elaine-moore.com/gravesdisease/

>

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/graves_disease/98200/1

>

> Certainly, it might be a good idea for Joni to check her TSI.

>

> Val

>

[Guest guest]

Mutation of the cells to a form that the body doesn't recognize as being normal. The body develops antibodies as a defense mechanism (as in the case of a disease like chicken pox) to attack and rid the body of the offender.

Re: Re: TSI antibodies

What is the cause of the antibodies?Irene

[Guest guest]

So how does someone address the cause as was suggested in a previous

post?

Irene

At 07:49 AM 2/15/2008, you wrote:

Mutation

of the cells to a form that the body doesn't recognize as being

normal. The body develops antibodies as a defense mechanism (as in

the case of a disease like chicken pox) to attack and rid the body of the

offender.

Re: Re: TSI antibodies

What is the cause of the antibodies?

Irene

[Guest guest]

Antibodies can be inherited

(or environmental?). I have Hashi's

and am hypothyroid. All three of my

daughters have antibodies as well.

My mother was hypo. I just

ordered TSI antibodies to see if that is the source of my intolerance of

Armour.

Val

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of ladybugsandbees

Mutation

of the cells to a form that the body doesn't recognize as being normal.

The body develops antibodies as a defense mechanism (as in the case of a

disease like chicken pox) to attack and rid the body of the offender.

-----

Original Message -----

From: irene.m@...

What is the cause of the antibodies?

[Guest guest]

From what I understand we can have tendencies in our DNA and if certain things fall into place like selenium, iodine or other deficiencies along with environmental toxins like mercury it will set you up for antibodies. Not all people who have DNA tendencies will get Ab's but they are more prone to it.

Does that makes sense?

RE: Re: TSI antibodies

Antibodies can be inherited (or environmental?). I have Hashi's and am hypothyroid. All three of my daughters have antibodies as well. My mother was hypo. I just ordered TSI antibodies to see if that is the source of my intolerance of Armour.

Val

From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of ladybugsandbees

Mutation of the cells to a form that the body doesn't recognize as being normal. The body develops antibodies as a defense mechanism (as in the case of a disease like chicken pox) to attack and rid the body of the offender.

----- Original Message -----

From: irene.m@...

What is the cause of the antibodies?

[Guest guest]

Take supporting nutrients, detox and eat clean. Do as much as you can to heal your body.

Steph

Re: Re: TSI antibodies

What is the cause of the antibodies?

Irene

[Guest guest]

I haven't eaten gluten in years. I understand the main stream focus isn't

good, I was just looking for something specific. Do you have an example

of something, a toxin etc besides gluten that is, where the antibodies

have been reversed? I would be interested in reversing my antbodies

however " nutrition " and " toxins " is a little

vague. It sounded like you were suggesting as patients we weren't

looking at the underlying cause. I practice good nutrition and avoid

toxins as much as I can and I still don't tolerate iodine.

Irene

At 08:25 AM 2/15/2008, you wrote:

The body doesn't just starting

attacking itself for no reason. The immune system confuses

items and then starts to attack what is considered foreign. In Hashi's

one of the causes of the

antibodies can be gluten. Removing the offender can eliminate the

antibody attack on the

thyroid. I think the possibility exists even for Type 1 diabetes to be

put in remission. There

are rare cases where it has happened, but there is no interest by

mainstream medicine to

address it. There are many areas to look into, nutrition (first and

foremost), chemicals,

toxins, etc. that can be contributing to the immune system running amuck.

I was comparing

treatment of Graves, Hashi's etc., mainstream focus is to treat the

symptoms, not look for the

cause.

Linn

>

>

[Guest guest]

I do that. Still have antibodies.

At 12:43 PM 2/15/2008, you wrote:

Take

supporting nutrients, detox and eat clean. Do as much as you can to

heal your body.

Steph

Re: Re: TSI antibodies

What is the cause of the antibodies?

Irene

[Guest guest]

Do you have mercury amalgams?

Re: Re: TSI antibodies

What is the cause of the antibodies? Irene

[Guest guest]

Most have been removed. Still have 3 left.

At 02:33 PM 2/15/2008, you wrote:

Do

you have mercury amalgams?

Re: Re: TSI antibodies

What is the cause of the antibodies? Irene

[Guest guest]

Yep here you go:

Sterzl I, Procházková J, Hrda P, Matucha P, Bartova J, Stejskal V.

Removal of dental amalgam decreases anti-TPO and anti-Tg autoantibodies in patients with autoimmune thyroiditis.

Neuro Endocrinol Lett. 2006 Dec;27 Suppl 1:25-30.

PMID: 16804512 [PubMed - in process]

==================================================================================

Barregård L, Eneström S, Ljunghusen O, Wieslander J, Hultman P.

A study of autoantibodies and circulating immune complexes in mercury-exposed chloralkali workers.

Int Arch Occup Environ Health. 1997;70(2):101-6.

PMID: 9253638 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

=====================================================================================

Pusey CD, Bowman C, A, Weetman AP, Hartley B, Lockwood CM.

Kinetics and pathogenicity of autoantibodies induced by mercuric chloride in the brown Norway rat.

Clin Exp Immunol. 1990 Jul;81(1):76-82.

PMID: 2199099 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

======================================================================================

Re: Re: TSI antibodies What is the cause of the antibodies? Irene

[Guest guest]

Well cool. We'll see if it works for me.

Irene

At 03:52 PM 2/15/2008, you wrote:

Yep

here you go:

Sterzl

I, Procházková J, Hrda P, Matucha P, Bartova J, Stejskal V.

Removal of dental amalgam decreases anti-TPO and anti-Tg autoantibodies

in patients with autoimmune thyroiditis.

Neuro Endocrinol Lett. 2006 Dec;27 Suppl 1:25-30.

PMID: 16804512 [PubMed - in process]

==================================================================================

Barregård

L, Eneström S, Ljunghusen O, Wieslander J, Hultman P.

A study of autoantibodies and circulating immune complexes in

mercury-exposed chloralkali workers.

Int Arch Occup Environ Health. 1997;70(2):101-6.

PMID: 9253638 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

=====================================================================================

Pusey

CD, Bowman C, A, Weetman AP, Hartley B, Lockwood CM.

Kinetics and pathogenicity of autoantibodies induced by mercuric chloride

in the brown Norway rat.

Clin Exp Immunol. 1990 Jul;81(1):76-82.

PMID: 2199099 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

======================================================================================

Re: Re: TSI antibodies What is the cause of the antibodies? Irene

[Guest guest]

This has been studied quite a bit, and yes, they HAVE

reversed the antibodies. The trick is to figure out

what is causing the tight junctions in the gut to

allow semi-digested proteins into the bloodstream,

which is apparently what triggers many if not most

of these autoimmune diseases. Dr. Fasano is working

on that one!

But here is a link to article about it:

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/latestresearch/a/celiac.htm

What is interesting about iodine is that it seems

to trigger rogue IgA that is in the tissues. So if one

DOES have an autoimmune problem, it might

make it worse, at least temporarily. That is what

happened to me with dermatitis herpetiformis: the

usual thing is they tell you to avoid iodine, because

it causes eruptions even if you don't eat wheat.

Painting on iodine, if you have dh, causes itching

too. But the iodine doesn't CAUSE it ... it just triggers

the antibodies somehow.

So I avoided iodine like the plague, but that caused

other problems. Now iodine doesn't cause me any

problems at all, but that was after 2 years of getting

rid of the IgA. The IgA antibodies were caused, probably,

by gluten: getting rid of the gluten got rid of the

antibodies.

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 2:24 PM, <irene.m@...> wrote:

>

> I haven't eaten gluten in years. I understand the main stream focus isn't

> good, I was just looking for something specific. Do you have an example of

> something, a toxin etc besides gluten that is, where the antibodies have

> been reversed? I would be interested in reversing my antbodies however

> " nutrition " and " toxins " is a little vague. It sounded like you were

> suggesting as patients we weren't looking at the underlying cause. I

> practice good nutrition and avoid toxins as much as I can and I still don't

> tolerate iodine.

> Irene

[Guest guest]

I haven't eaten gluten in years. But glad it worked for you.

Irene

At 05:45 PM 2/15/2008, you wrote:

This has been studied quite a

bit, and yes, they HAVE

reversed the antibodies. The trick is to figure out

what is causing the tight junctions in the gut to

allow semi-digested proteins into the bloodstream,

which is apparently what triggers many if not most

of these autoimmune diseases. Dr. Fasano is working

on that one!

But here is a link to article about it:

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/latestresearch/a/celiac.htm

What is interesting about iodine is that it seems

to trigger rogue IgA that is in the tissues. So if one

DOES have an autoimmune problem, it might

make it worse, at least temporarily. That is what

happened to me with dermatitis herpetiformis: the

usual thing is they tell you to avoid iodine, because

it causes eruptions even if you don't eat wheat.

Painting on iodine, if you have dh, causes itching

too. But the iodine doesn't CAUSE it ... it just triggers

the antibodies somehow.

So I avoided iodine like the plague, but that caused

other problems. Now iodine doesn't cause me any

problems at all, but that was after 2 years of getting

rid of the IgA. The IgA antibodies were caused, probably,

by gluten: getting rid of the gluten got rid of the

antibodies.

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 2:24 PM,

<irene.m@...>

wrote:

>

> I haven't eaten gluten in years. I understand the main stream focus

isn't

> good, I was just looking for something specific. Do you have an

example of

> something, a toxin etc besides gluten that is, where the antibodies

have

> been reversed? I would be interested in reversing my antbodies

however

> " nutrition " and " toxins " is a little vague. It

sounded like you were

> suggesting as patients we weren't looking at the underlying cause.

I

> practice good nutrition and avoid toxins as much as I can and I

still don't

> tolerate iodine.

> Irene

[Guest guest]

I have really mixed feelings about the chelation. I think it is not

uncommon for chelation to make people worse.

Irene

At 07:12 PM 2/16/2008, you wrote:

My 2 cents here.

I have been hypothyroid for 28 years and never had any

antibodies.However after finding out I was mercury toxic ,due to having

amalgams and then having them removed without protection,I was exposed

to more mercury and my thyroid problem got worse.Still no antibodies.I

took DMSA to chelate the mercury and ended up with antibodies off the

charts.I would not have amalgams removed without the proper protocols or

you are just asking for more problems.More mercury exposure and you can

really crash and then trying to get rid of the stuff is a nightmare.I've

tried so many things and they all make me worse including iodine.

Chantal

[Guest guest]

What are the proper protocols? I have had some older, broken fillings

replaced with non-mercury fillings. No special procedure was used.

B

God Bless America!

One nation under God

Re: TSI antibodies

> My 2 cents here.

> I have been hypothyroid for 28 years and never had any

> antibodies.However after finding out I was mercury toxic ,due to having

> amalgams and then having them removed without protection,I was exposed

> to more mercury and my thyroid problem got worse.

>I would not have amalgams removed without the proper protocols or

> you are just asking for more problems.

[Guest guest]

I don't think " not eating gluten " will help though,

once there is major damage. I personally

don't have thyroid damage, AFAIK ... I use iodine

for other things. And gluten isn't the only thing

that can trigger the antibodies ... it is likely

that casein can too, and probably other foods

and bacteria. But the root cause ... zonulin induced

leaky gut ... is being studied and hopefully in the

near future, the autoimmune problems will be stopped

BEFORE the thyroid is so damaged.

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 6:26 PM, <irene.m@...> wrote:

>

> I haven't eaten gluten in years. But glad it worked for you.

> Irene

>

[Guest guest]

Well, this is what you said.

This has been studied quite a bit, and yes, they HAVE

reversed the antibodies.

The IgA antibodies were caused, probably,

by gluten: getting rid of the gluten got rid of the

antibodies.

Since the topic was TSI antibodies, I assumed that is what you were

referring to as well. Of course, now it sounds like what you are saying

is that you need to find the root of the leaky before the thyroid gets so

damaged, so I guess, once the thyroid gets so damaged you can't reverse

the antibodies.

Irene

At 10:39 PM 2/15/2008, you wrote:

I don't think " not eating

gluten " will help though,

once there is major damage. I personally

don't have thyroid damage, AFAIK ... I use iodine

for other things. And gluten isn't the only thing

that can trigger the antibodies ... it is likely

that casein can too, and probably other foods

and bacteria. But the root cause ... zonulin induced

leaky gut ... is being studied and hopefully in the

near future, the autoimmune problems will be stopped

BEFORE the thyroid is so damaged.

On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 6:26 PM,

<irene.m@...>

wrote:

>

> I haven't eaten gluten in years. But glad it worked for you.

> Irene

>

[Guest guest]

Read Dr Hal Huggins Book " It's All In Your Head " . It will explain the

proper protocol. You want a Holistic or Mercury Free dentist to do it and

it takes a dental damn, ventilation mask for the patient, filtration systems

in the room, low speed drills, reactivity testing is recommended for AI and

Cancer patients. The book explains it all well. You can ask the dentist if

they use the Huggins protocol. They also follow a 7 day immune cycle for

removal and remove the quadrant with the highest reactivity.

Re: TSI antibodies

>

>

>> My 2 cents here.

>> I have been hypothyroid for 28 years and never had any

>> antibodies.However after finding out I was mercury toxic ,due to having

>> amalgams and then having them removed without protection,I was exposed

>> to more mercury and my thyroid problem got worse.

>

>>I would not have amalgams removed without the proper protocols or

>> you are just asking for more problems.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You can think of the antibodies as little " killer cells " . It's

more complicated than that, but basically, when

you have high anti-thyroid antibodies, they kill the

thyroid gland eventually.

When you get rid of the thyroid antibodies, MAYBE

the thyroid gland can recover. Depends on how much

damage there is.

For some people, eating gluten causes the junctures

in the gut to open, allowing rogue proteins to enter the

blood. Those rogue proteins stimulate the immune system.

It's like, say, taking 20 vaccination shots a day with

random food in the syringe. There will be anti-gluten

antibodies, sure, but the surprising thing is that this

reaction also stimulates anti-thyroid and anti-pancreatic

antibodies. Anti-other-things antibodies too. Bad, bad

stuff.

If that is happening, stopping the food that causes

the leakage, is the first step to healing (and preventing

more problems). However, Dr. Fasano is also working

on a drug to just stop the leakage. My guess: he's

going to make a LOT of money off this drug! Unfortunately

it's a privately held company, so I can't buy stock.

Iodine enters into this somehow, but I don't think

anyone is clear how at this point. Personally I think

you are more apt to develop the autoimmune diseases

if you are low in iodine, but once you HAVE an autoimmune

disease, it might stimulate the immune system and

maybe temporarily cause more symptoms. At least,

that is what I experienced.

But yes: once the thyroid is damaged you can STILL

reverse the antibodies. It's just that we don't know

how much the thyroid can recover once the antibodies are gone.

Also, without testing, you can't easily know what

is the trigger for the antibodies for any one person,

and since this is really new, no one really knows

what all the triggers even ARE. The only one that

has been actually tested is gluten, in humans,

and casein, in rats, AFAIK.

On Feb 16, 2008 2:31 AM, <irene.m@...> wrote:

Of course, now it sounds like what you are saying is

> that you need to find the root of the leaky before the thyroid gets so

> damaged, so I guess, once the thyroid gets so damaged you can't reverse the

> antibodies.

>

> Irene

>

>

> At 10:39 PM 2/15/2008, you wrote:

>

>

> I don't think " not eating gluten " will help though,

> once there is major damage. I personally

> don't have thyroid damage, AFAIK ... I use iodine

> for other things. And gluten isn't the only thing

> that can trigger the antibodies ... it is likely

> that casein can too, and probably other foods

> and bacteria. But the root cause ... zonulin induced

> leaky gut ... is being studied and hopefully in the

> near future, the autoimmune problems will be stopped

> BEFORE the thyroid is so damaged.

>

> On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 6:26 PM, <irene.m@...> wrote:

> >

> > I haven't eaten gluten in years. But glad it worked for you.

> > Irene

> >

>

--

[Guest guest]

For heavens sake, I know what antibodies are. Anyway, what I was

responding to is that you said that you didn't think removing gluten

would help once the thyroid damage was done. Since we were talking about

reversing antibodies I assumed what you meant that once you had thyroid

damage removing gluten wouldn't get rid of antibodies. I guess that is

not what you meant.

Anyway, the bottom line is that not eating gluten helped your antibodies

but they were IgA and not TSI if I understand correctly. I don't know if

there is any evidence that TSI will be reversed by not eating gluten but

I guess we don't really know. Certainly healing the gut is important no

matter what your condition. But for myself I am not holding my breath for

any gut healing drug.

Irene

At 07:48 PM 2/16/2008, you wrote:

You can think of the antibodies

as little " killer cells " . It's

more complicated than that, but basically, when

you have high anti-thyroid antibodies, they kill the

thyroid gland eventually.

When you get rid of the thyroid antibodies, MAYBE

the thyroid gland can recover. Depends on how much

damage there is.

For some people, eating gluten causes the junctures

in the gut to open, allowing rogue proteins to enter the

blood. Those rogue proteins stimulate the immune system.

It's like, say, taking 20 vaccination shots a day with

random food in the syringe. There will be anti-gluten

antibodies, sure, but the surprising thing is that this

reaction also stimulates anti-thyroid and anti-pancreatic

antibodies. Anti-other-things antibodies too. Bad, bad

stuff.

If that is happening, stopping the food that causes

the leakage, is the first step to healing (and preventing

more problems). However, Dr. Fasano is also working

on a drug to just stop the leakage. My guess: he's

going to make a LOT of money off this drug! Unfortunately

it's a privately held company, so I can't buy stock.

Iodine enters into this somehow, but I don't think

anyone is clear how at this point. Personally I think

you are more apt to develop the autoimmune diseases

if you are low in iodine, but once you HAVE an autoimmune

disease, it might stimulate the immune system and

maybe temporarily cause more symptoms. At least,

that is what I experienced.

But yes: once the thyroid is damaged you can STILL

reverse the antibodies. It's just that we don't know

how much the thyroid can recover once the antibodies are gone.

Also, without testing, you can't easily know what

is the trigger for the antibodies for any one person,

and since this is really new, no one really knows

what all the triggers even ARE. The only one that

has been actually tested is gluten, in humans,

and casein, in rats, AFAIK.

On Feb 16, 2008 2:31 AM,

<irene.m@...>

wrote:

Of course, now it sounds like what you are saying is

> that you need to find the root of the leaky before the thyroid gets

so

> damaged, so I guess, once the thyroid gets so damaged you can't

reverse the

> antibodies.

>

> Irene

>

>

> At 10:39 PM 2/15/2008, you wrote:

>

>

> I don't think " not eating gluten " will help though,

> once there is major damage. I personally

> don't have thyroid damage, AFAIK ... I use iodine

> for other things. And gluten isn't the only thing

> that can trigger the antibodies ... it is likely

> that casein can too, and probably other foods

> and bacteria. But the root cause ... zonulin induced

> leaky gut ... is being studied and hopefully in the

> near future, the autoimmune problems will be stopped

> BEFORE the thyroid is so damaged.

>

> On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 6:26 PM,

<irene.m@...>

wrote:

> >

> > I haven't eaten gluten in years. But glad it worked for

you.

> > Irene

> >

>

--