Guest guest Posted March 20, 2001 Report Share Posted March 20, 2001 Hi , I've been there feeling the way you are feeling. I remember not wanting to get up in the morning not so long ago. I think you should make some time for yourself and refill your reserves. Hang in there, it is bound to get better. Katy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2001 Report Share Posted March 20, 2001 HI : {{{{{{{{{NANCY}}}}}}}}}} Living with the exquisite pain in the early days of dealing with OCD is still a pretty sharp memory for me and you have described it so well. What I have learned is to pay attention to my intuition but also to commit to being very hopeful. I believe you do know how to recognize a normal good mood in a teenager. YOu are very wise to schedule yourself for a break. Also I hope you have a therapist for yourself. This helped me considerably in dealing with some of the anger and the pain we experienced while struggling to get effective help for Steve. I only wish I met my friend Effexor XR earlier!! Remember depression is also very treatable and you do not need to suffer. Coping with OCD is a real up and down ride at first and anything you can do to try to smooth things out will pay dividends. If you don't feel better in a couple of weeks please write again. Take care, aloha, Kathy (h) kathyh@... At 07:33 PM 03/20/2001 -0500, you wrote: > I am on a mood roller coaster here....My eldest and I went to the >psychiatrist today. She (Dr.) is not worried about the " giddiness, " and >thinks that I am so used to the abnormal, that I don't recognize a normal >good mood in a 15-year-old....maybe. Anyway, the doctor told me that I >need to take better care of myself...duh. Something very good is that she >has agreed to help out with our $600/month medication cost by giving us >some samples to cover about half of that. This is good! (I know i am >rambling, and that this post is not well put together....tough beans!!) >The psychiatrist was actually most concerned about 's social phobia. >It has taken me all this time to admit that something is wrong with >socially. Wow. There, I said it. She is immature and strangely shy, and >it is not because I am a bad mom or because she is homeschooled. Wow. So >we are going to up the meds in a week or two to see if it helps. > I am feeling bad. Just bad, bad, bad. Maybe it's menopause, maybe >it's too much going on, maybe it's a crapola sex life, I don't know. I >think I am going to ask my husband if I can go away for a day next weekend. > I can't find myself here. I don't have any reserves to deal with daily >stress. I can't seem to get a dinner on the table. (pizza is on the way >even as I type) I am so glad to see that I am not the only one whose >children are " cling-ons. " I am ashamed to admit that I was embarrassed by >my eldest at a party on Sunday. She wasn't even able to introduce herself >by saying her name to a small group of people, and she didn't want to leave >my side. Poor thing. > I'm back to not wanting to get up in the morning, which is not good. >It got better briefly, but the improvement was short-lived. I just feel so >much emotional pain, and there are so few I can discuss it with. Thanks >for " listening. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2001 Report Share Posted March 21, 2001 ((((())))))) As a single mom of 3 children with mental and emotional problems, I can really, really sympathize. -- >From: / Guenther <guenthers@...> >Reply- >all < >, TSparents-2 ><TSparents-2egroups> >Subject: good news/ bad news >Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:33:10 -0500 > > I am on a mood roller coaster here....My eldest and I went to the >psychiatrist today. She (Dr.) is not worried about the " giddiness, " and >thinks that I am so used to the abnormal, that I don't recognize a normal >good mood in a 15-year-old....maybe. Anyway, the doctor told me that I >need to take better care of myself...duh. Something very good is that she >has agreed to help out with our $600/month medication cost by giving us >some samples to cover about half of that. This is good! (I know i am >rambling, and that this post is not well put together....tough beans!!) >The psychiatrist was actually most concerned about 's social phobia. >It has taken me all this time to admit that something is wrong with >socially. Wow. There, I said it. She is immature and strangely shy, and >it is not because I am a bad mom or because she is homeschooled. Wow. So >we are going to up the meds in a week or two to see if it helps. > I am feeling bad. Just bad, bad, bad. Maybe it's menopause, maybe >it's too much going on, maybe it's a crapola sex life, I don't know. I >think I am going to ask my husband if I can go away for a day next weekend. > I can't find myself here. I don't have any reserves to deal with daily >stress. I can't seem to get a dinner on the table. (pizza is on the way >even as I type) I am so glad to see that I am not the only one whose >children are " cling-ons. " I am ashamed to admit that I was embarrassed by >my eldest at a party on Sunday. She wasn't even able to introduce herself >by saying her name to a small group of people, and she didn't want to leave >my side. Poor thing. > I'm back to not wanting to get up in the morning, which is not good. >It got better briefly, but the improvement was short-lived. I just feel so >much emotional pain, and there are so few I can discuss it with. Thanks >for " listening. " _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2001 Report Share Posted March 21, 2001 : As you well know, there isn't a person on this list who can't relate to what you are going through. Venting is a good way to release some of the tension you are feeling. > I am on a mood roller coaster here....My eldest and I went to the psychiatrist today. She (Dr.) is not worried about the " giddiness, " and thinks that I am so used to the abnormal, that I don't recognize a normal good mood in a 15-year-old....maybe. Once our children are diagnosed, especially during the teen years, it becomes very difficult to evaluate what is normal and what is the disease. I'm not sure we ever can. Our approach has been to " feel " our way along, giving extra space when we feel it is appropriate and establishing firm boundaries when we feel it necessary. Parenting teens is tough in the best of circumstances AND we are not dealing with the best of circumstances. > Anyway, the doctor told me that I need to take better care of myself...duh. This is a given. > I can't seem to get a dinner on the table. (pizza is on the way even as I type). Extra sleep and not pressuring yourself to be a super mom makes sense to me. We eat out a lot, or fix pretty simple meals. And I try to get as much sleep as possible. No one can be expected to handle the emotional strains without making some concessions. > The psychiatrist was actually most concerned about 's social phobia. It has taken me all this time to admit that something is wrong with socially. Wow. There, I said it. She is immature and strangely shy, and it is not because I am a bad mom or because she is homeschooled. Wow. Good for you! Being able to face the truth helps us cope. This fall I had to face 's suicidal ideation. It was horrible. But having faced the worst possible scenario, I no longer live in fear of it. I don't believe that the worst will happen, but if it does I know I am strong enough to cope. But I don't borrow trouble by worrying about something that " might " happen. Instead, I try to face squarely whatever our current issues are. > I think I am going to ask my husband if I can go away for a day next weekend. I can't find myself here. I don't have any reserves to deal with daily stress. I used to do this when the girls were little. Now my husband and I trade off, so we can get time away. Especially if you are the primary caretaker, you need to find that time to take care of yourself. Last weekend was away with her boyfriend and his family. We had such a nice time just kicking back together and not worrying about her. > I'm back to not wanting to get up in the morning, which is not good. It got better briefly, but the improvement was short-lived. I just feel so much emotional pain, and there are so few I can discuss it with. Sounds like depression to me. It is so hard when you can't share your struggles with others because they won't understand. Recently, three of us in Oregon discovered we lived within 30 minutes of one another and got together for dinner. It was wonderful and we plan to do it again. I've also found that people I work with are willing to listen and make it easier for me to get over a " bad " time. I improve when I can " talk " it out. Take care of yourself and keep posting...we all care! Greta in Oregon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 I got my thyroid sono report and I’m happy with what it says about my nodules, but I have questions, too. My thyroid is not much different in size than it was. R lobe prev: 4.5 x 1.6 x 1.9 cm now: 4.9 x 1.5 x 2.0 cm L lobe prev: 4.2 X 1.1 x 1.6 cm now: 4.5 x 1.3 x 1.6 cm I had 4 nodules before, all of which are smaller. I am happy about these. 1) prev. 12 x 9 x 12 mm right mid now: 9 x 4 x 7 mm 2) prev: 6 x 4 x 6 mm right mid now: 4 x 3 x 3 mm 3) prev: 5 x 4 x 5 mm right lower now: 4 x 2 x 3 mm 4) prev: 8 x 5 x 8 mm left mid now: 8 x 5 x 5 mm BUT now I have 5th nodule that measures 3 x 2 x 3 mm left lower I also have a swollen lymph node (1.7 x 0.6 x 0.9 cm) which is painful and interfering with swallowing. I’m sure this lymph node has been swollen for quite a while, but no one ever looked at it before (I specifically asked the sono tech to check it out). They also said about the lymph node “ It is hypoechoic with a fatty hilum and its architecture is typical.” I can find the definitions of hypoechoic and hilum but I haven’t found anything that explains their significance. Will Iodoral help this swollen lymph node return to normal size? Will anything else help? I am presently taking Armour 4.5 grains, HC 32.5 mg, Iodoral 62.5 mg (working on increasing to 100 mg), vit C 3 Gm, selenium 400 mg, magnesium 400-600 mg, plus other supporting supplements. Any ideas? B God Bless America! One nation under God Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 , just curious -- what is your diet like? What would you say an average day of meals looks like? Ann Marie On May 5, 2008, at 6:44 AM, B wrote: > I got my thyroid sono report and I’m happy with what > it says > about my nodules, but I have questions, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Hi, , I asked about the foods you eat because the ingredients in our food supply as I'm sure you know can block our iodine intake. (1) Due to goitrogens like soy which block iodine and (2) If you are not digesting and absorbing your food properly, it doesn't matter how much good stuff you consume (including supplements) -- you won't benefit from it. It's great that you are eating eggs and coconut oil. I know coconut oil helps with the thyroid and eggs are very nutritious. 1. Goitrogens Most meat and dairy on the market comes from animals that have been fed grain -- namely corn and soybeans. Problem with that is twofold -- (1) It's not good for them and makes them sick (2) Whatever they eat, you are eating too. Which means you're eating soy. I would avoid Taco Bell and most restaurants like the plague while you are trying to heal. Not only does it have the bad (soy-fed, antibiotic/ pesticide/hormone laden) meat (not to mention a bunch of other bad stuff like MSG), I would bet dollars to doughnuts that they fry everything in soybean oil (almost all restaurants do -- except high end ones that use real butter and olive oil). So you're getting a big dose of a goitrogens right there. I know someone who's daughter is allergic to soy and peanuts -- they are making the peanut/soy allergy connection now -- and she had some 's chicken nuggets and had to be rushed to the emergency room. I have heard that Chipotle is using meat from animals that are raised humanely (you can google it) but unfortunately I believe they are still using soybean oil to cook with at most of their stores. So that's a no go. Also you need to read labels on all your processed/packaged foods. Almost all of them contain soy. Almost every mayonnaise and salad dressing, many brands of tortilla and potato chips, even frozen chicken pot pies. Also, many olive oils (80-90% of the ones on the market) are adulterated with cheap oils so you should make sure your olive oil is real (try to buy from a small farmer -- I buy Bariani's or Adam's Ranch). 2. Pesticides and Hormones These animals are also eating grains that are chock-full of pesticides. Pesticides are a known estrogen-disruptor so it does make it hard to heal if you are eating a lot of them. And they say that if you are going to try to cut out pesticides, the best place to start is meat and dairy. That is where they are the most concentrated. They are also being fed copious amounts of growth hormones -- clearly a growth hormone is not something you would want to ingest if you are trying to heal your hormonal system. 3. Digestive/Absorption Issues Sugar and starches are very bad for your digestion. So eating one to two desserts a day plus sugar in your coffee is probably thwarting your progress. Sugar and starches cause an overgrowth of the bad bacteria in your gut (like candida albicans, a yeast overgrowth). This causes all sorts of problems -- the biggest of which is that you will not be able to easily digest and absorb your food. If you can afford it, I'd get on a strong probiotic (I have had success with Metagenics, ThreeLac and BioKult) and limit all starches and sugars. Garlic also helps to kill the yeast. If you can't afford a good probiotic, I'd start drinking kefir. It is available at the health food store -- but I think the quality is better if you make it yourself. You can culture your own milk very cheaply and easily. Gelatin from chicken, fish or beef stock also really helps to heal the digestive tract. To replace sugar, use a little honey, maple syrup or stevia. It's hard getting off sugar -- you will have some die-off (a healing crisis). But that is the only way to kill off the bad bacteria and help the good ones flourish -- the ones you need to help you digest and absorb your food. 4. Budgetary Limitations and Recommendations Since you are on a budget, I recommend buying lesser amounts of good quality meat. I get hormone/antibiotic/pesticide-free poultry, beef, bison and pork (all pasture-raised/grass-fed/not fed soy) from my local farmer's market in Los Angeles. Not sure where you live but your best bet is to reach out to local farmers. You can get whole chickens cheaper than breasts. You can also get chicken bones and make stock for not too much money, and buy ground beef instead of more expensive cuts. Consider spending more money on food if you can -- and see if you can cut back on other things. Our family spends a lot on food but I do consider food to be medicine so I know it is important. (There's a reason they call it the FDA -- Food AND Drug Administration.) You can get cheese that is grass-fed as well. KerryGold butter is in many grocery stores (Trader Joe's, Whole Foods) and it is from grass- fed cows. Also, see if you can find a source for good quality milk from grass-fed cows or goats. Here's a great site for finding grass-fed meats and dairy: http://eatwild.com/ My sister recently went on that site (after she read " The Omnivore's Dilemma " by Pollan) and she found a local farm that will sell her a half of a cow. She is going in on it with a neighbor and they are going to store it in their chest freezers. If you can get your hands on a freezer, you can get meat much, much cheaper this way. Here's a source for milk from grass-fed animals: http://realmilk.com/where.html I have heard that they are even feeding soy to fish -- farm-raised fish. So wild-caught is best for fish. You can also eat less meats and eat more whole (gluten-free, since you're off wheat) grains like brown rice and legumes lentils and black beans and hummus. It's sad that our food supply is so tainted but if you try to find local farmers, that is where you're going to get the purest sources of real food. There are also organic co-ops you can join like Azure Standard http://www.azurestandard.com Oh, and if you can, cut out the coffee. I know, I know. It's not easy. I am the BIGGEST coffee freak in the world but I kept reading that you have to heal your adrenals in order to help your thyroid heal. So I finally quit last week. What helped me do it was this: http://www.dandyblend.com No withdrawal symptoms whatsoever and it tastes great! Like real coffee! And highly nutritious -- full of minerals which your body needs to heal. It's made from dandelion root which has more vitamins and minerals than spinach! Sorry -- that was long! I've made all these changes in my diet but it did take me 6 months to implement them. Take your time, go slow, and do the best you can. I know it can be overwhelming. Good luck -- and please feel free to email me offline with questions/ comments. Ann Marie On May 5, 2008, at 1:15 PM, B wrote: > > What now? Where would I begin to clean up my diet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Great ideas Ann Marie. I do need to make changes in my diet. I don't knowingly eat a lot of goitrogens, but I bet if I really studied what I eat, I am consuming more than I think I am. Thanks! B God Bless America! One nation under God Re: Good news/ Bad news > Hi, , > > I asked about the foods you eat because the ingredients in our food > supply as I'm sure you know can block our iodine intake. (1) Due to > goitrogens like soy which block iodine and (2) If you are not > digesting and absorbing your food properly, it doesn't matter how much > good stuff you consume (including supplements) -- you won't benefit > from it. > > It's great that you are eating eggs and coconut oil. I know coconut > oil helps with the thyroid and eggs are very nutritious. > > 1. Goitrogens > > Most meat and dairy on the market comes from animals that have been > fed grain -- namely corn and soybeans. Problem with that is twofold -- > (1) It's not good for them and makes them sick (2) Whatever they eat, > you are eating too. Which means you're eating soy. > > I would avoid Taco Bell and most restaurants like the plague while you > are trying to heal. Not only does it have the bad (soy-fed, antibiotic/ > pesticide/hormone laden) meat (not to mention a bunch of other bad > stuff like MSG), I would bet dollars to doughnuts that they fry > everything in soybean oil (almost all restaurants do -- except high > end ones that use real butter and olive oil). So you're getting a big > dose of a goitrogens right there. > > I know someone who's daughter is allergic to soy and peanuts -- they > are making the peanut/soy allergy connection now -- and she had some > 's chicken nuggets and had to be rushed to the emergency room. I > have heard that Chipotle is using meat from animals that are raised > humanely (you can google it) but unfortunately I believe they are > still using soybean oil to cook with at most of their stores. So > that's a no go. > > Also you need to read labels on all your processed/packaged foods. > Almost all of them contain soy. Almost every mayonnaise and salad > dressing, many brands of tortilla and potato chips, even frozen > chicken pot pies. Also, many olive oils (80-90% of the ones on the > market) are adulterated with cheap oils so you should make sure your > olive oil is real (try to buy from a small farmer -- I buy Bariani's > or Adam's Ranch). > > 2. Pesticides and Hormones > > These animals are also eating grains that are chock-full of > pesticides. Pesticides are a known estrogen-disruptor so it does make > it hard to heal if you are eating a lot of them. And they say that if > you are going to try to cut out pesticides, the best place to start is > meat and dairy. That is where they are the most concentrated. They are > also being fed copious amounts of growth hormones -- clearly a growth > hormone is not something you would want to ingest if you are trying to > heal your hormonal system. > > 3. Digestive/Absorption Issues > > Sugar and starches are very bad for your digestion. So eating one to > two desserts a day plus sugar in your coffee is probably thwarting > your progress. Sugar and starches cause an overgrowth of the bad > bacteria in your gut (like candida albicans, a yeast overgrowth). This > causes all sorts of problems -- the biggest of which is that you will > not be able to easily digest and absorb your food. > > If you can afford it, I'd get on a strong probiotic (I have had > success with Metagenics, ThreeLac and BioKult) and limit all starches > and sugars. Garlic also helps to kill the yeast. If you can't afford a > good probiotic, I'd start drinking kefir. It is available at the > health food store -- but I think the quality is better if you make it > yourself. You can culture your own milk very cheaply and easily. > > Gelatin from chicken, fish or beef stock also really helps to heal the > digestive tract. > > To replace sugar, use a little honey, maple syrup or stevia. It's hard > getting off sugar -- you will have some die-off (a healing crisis). > But that is the only way to kill off the bad bacteria and help the > good ones flourish -- the ones you need to help you digest and absorb > your food. > > 4. Budgetary Limitations and Recommendations > > Since you are on a budget, I recommend buying lesser amounts of good > quality meat. I get hormone/antibiotic/pesticide-free poultry, beef, > bison and pork (all pasture-raised/grass-fed/not fed soy) from my > local farmer's market in Los Angeles. Not sure where you live but your > best bet is to reach out to local farmers. You can get whole chickens > cheaper than breasts. You can also get chicken bones and make stock > for not too much money, and buy ground beef instead of more expensive > cuts. > > Consider spending more money on food if you can -- and see if you can > cut back on other things. Our family spends a lot on food but I do > consider food to be medicine so I know it is important. (There's a > reason they call it the FDA -- Food AND Drug Administration.) > > You can get cheese that is grass-fed as well. KerryGold butter is in > many grocery stores (Trader Joe's, Whole Foods) and it is from grass- > fed cows. Also, see if you can find a source for good quality milk > from grass-fed cows or goats. > > Here's a great site for finding grass-fed meats and dairy: > > http://eatwild.com/ > > My sister recently went on that site (after she read " The Omnivore's > Dilemma " by Pollan) and she found a local farm that will sell > her a half of a cow. She is going in on it with a neighbor and they > are going to store it in their chest freezers. If you can get your > hands on a freezer, you can get meat much, much cheaper this way. > > Here's a source for milk from grass-fed animals: > http://realmilk.com/where.html > > I have heard that they are even feeding soy to fish -- farm-raised > fish. So wild-caught is best for fish. > > You can also eat less meats and eat more whole (gluten-free, since > you're off wheat) grains like brown rice and legumes lentils and black > beans and hummus. > > It's sad that our food supply is so tainted but if you try to find > local farmers, that is where you're going to get the purest sources of > real food. > > There are also organic co-ops you can join like Azure Standard > http://www.azurestandard.com > > Oh, and if you can, cut out the coffee. I know, I know. It's not easy. > I am the BIGGEST coffee freak in the world but I kept reading that you > have to heal your adrenals in order to help your thyroid heal. So I > finally quit last week. What helped me do it was this: > http://www.dandyblend.com > No withdrawal symptoms whatsoever and it tastes great! Like real > coffee! And highly nutritious -- full of minerals which your body > needs to heal. It's made from dandelion root which has more vitamins > and minerals than spinach! > > Sorry -- that was long! I've made all these changes in my diet but it > did take me 6 months to implement them. Take your time, go slow, and > do the best you can. I know it can be overwhelming. > > Good luck -- and please feel free to email me offline with questions/ > comments. > > Ann Marie > > > > On May 5, 2008, at 1:15 PM, B wrote: >> >> What now? Where would I begin to clean up my diet? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Ann Marie, Your response to is very informative to me too. I just wanted to ask - what are chickens supposed to be fed? An acquaintenance of ours has been working hard to build his beautiful new organic farm, and feeds his chickens soy and corn. I wanted to ask him about this. But what can I show him about the dangers of soy? Thanks, > > > > What now? Where would I begin to clean up my diet? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 I am not Ann Marie but can I throw my 2 cents in? To start, show your organic friend this and tell them to watch the video. I wish every American would watch this: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/05/01/this- company-may-be-the-biggest-threat-to-your-future-health.aspx?source=nl Here is some more info on soy: http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy- industry-on-attack.html And more: http://thyroid.about.com/cs/soyinfo/a/soy.htm As you can see, I am very much against soy in anything. Let those chickens eat the bugs and scratch around like they were meant to! Janie > > Ann Marie, > Your response to is very informative to me too. I just wanted > to ask - what are chickens supposed to be fed? An acquaintenance > of ours has been working hard to build his beautiful new organic > farm, and feeds his chickens soy and corn. I wanted to ask him > about this. But what can I show him about the dangers of soy? > Thanks, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Chickens eat worms and bugs, and some grass/sprouts. Ideally they will be outdoors on the grass pecking for insects. They get a lot of vitamin D from the sun so keeping them indoors is not good for them or for the nutritional quality of the meat. Cows eat grass and hay. They too need the sunshine for better health and a higher quality of meat. That said, many grass-fed animals and pastured chickens are fed grain sometimes. Many farmers who feed some grain are opting for organic feed that is free of soy. You don't want the animals eating feed with pesticides, nor do you want them eating genetically modified soy. The farmer I buy pastured eggs and chicken/duck/turkeys from does feed them some grain but no soy. Here's a site with organic soy-free feeds: http://www.countrysidenatural.com/feeds.htm Here are some links summarizing the dangers of soy: http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ -- this is a very dense site -- lots and lots of info http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/index.htm http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html Here's an excerpt from Pollan's " The Omnivore's Dilemma " on his visit to Salatin's Polyface Farms (known for raising grass- fed animals): http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2006/05/no_bar_code.html I would recommend your farmer friend read a book by Salatin -- he is a true hero. Here's his list of books: http://www.polyfacefarms.com/books.aspx (there's one on poultry). Here's his website: http://www.polyfacefarms.com/default.aspx Also, Acres USA is a great magazine for sustainable organic farming: http://www.acresusa.com/magazines/magazine.htm Ann Marie On May 6, 2008, at 4:52 PM, elizascha wrote: > Ann Marie, > Your response to is very informative to me too. I just wanted > to ask - what are chickens supposed to be fed? An acquaintenance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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