Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 MSG will damage the thyroid and pituitary glands : - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3785512?dopt=Abstract & holding=npg - http://www.msgtruth.org/pituitar.htm -http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8305823 The practice of meditation may be in conflict with many folk's religious beliefs (I find this doubtful but I am ready to take your word for this), but so it the practice of taking supplements if you want to go down that road. I do not see how the importance of giving a chance to your body to assimilate iodine would have to be done off list on a IODINE forum ?!? Kalliopi --- DeCubellis Ranch <decubellisranch@...> wrote: > I would like to see where you are getting the info > that msg will damage the > thyroid and pituitary glands. Also, you may choose > to use meditation, but > this is a practice that conflicts with many folks' > religious beliefs. If > y'all want to discuss that, I suggest that it should > be done off-list. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > MSG is a great culprit in damaging the thyroid and > pituitary. It is > > widely known that you can manipulate your blood pH > through > > meditation/breathing. This is NOT difficult and > costs nothing. I am > > surprised that it is not > > discussed here. > > > >> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 That was a very kind and thoughtful post Kalliopi! I would like to try meditation and also Yoga (although my body, at this point, is not very flexible, perhaps because of the thyroid being out of whack)? Thank you for sharing your thoughts and idea's. Janie > > I came here to get answers for my questions, and I have learnt a lot thanks to the selfless > dedication of many posters. There is a lot of love flowing through these posts and a lot of > hope. > > I would like to thank you all for your help. I do not intervene a lot here because I feel > somehow that I live in a very different world from most of the posters, and that the ways > most of the posters eat, drink and take medicine is extremely remote from the way I eat, > drink and take medicine. I get a kind of culture shock sometimes! So I suppose it would be > the same for the others who would read my posts! > > Were are trying to heal our thyroids with Iodine and there are a lot of queries about > dosage. > There are worries about taking too much iodine or too little. Out of the bulk of messages > posted on our forum by people groping for a solution there are those who seems to get > less benefits from others. Some others do amazingly well. I have been one of the lucky > ones. I feel that I have been completely healed and I woul like to express here my love and > thanks. > > I would like to say as a contribution to the health of those who do not do well on iodine, or > who did well, then see the benefits disappear, that there are many ways to look at the > human body. > Even if we take the scientific tests supposed to give a clear vision of the state of the body, > regularly new tests appear that contradict the previous ones, or refine them, and that give > a completely different image. > The dosages and medicines of today will be completely obsolete or forgotten in twenty > years time. > But the human body is born again and again through time. It survived horrendous ordeals. > There are MANY ways to get better, and MANY ways to get sick. > Apart from Iodine, there are some other variables. > > Maybe those you do not do well on iodine are not living the same kind of life as those who > do well? It is true that our bodies are different, but the circumstances of our lives are very > varied. All athletes competing in the same field carry the same type of body, molded by > their practices. Their DNA may be different, but their bodies are similar. > Instead of looking to our ancestors for the primordial sin of giving us a body that does not > respond as it should to treatment it might be much more useful to try to understand WHY > the thyroid got sick. > > MSG is a great culprit in damaging the thyroid and pituitary. It is in every processed food. > I believe that this is one of the main reasons thyroids go wrong. Taking iodine will give > marvellous results, but how could they last if there is no ban on MSG? I am sure many > people on this forum do not even know when there is MSG in their food. Groping for the > dosage is then illusory. You can monitor the iodine intake in detail, the results will vary > widely depending on your diet at the time. > > Even the iodine intake is difficult to monitor! You can take it in Iodoral with a specific > numbers in mg, but obviously we are not all equal when it comes to assimilation. Some > have more NIS, some less. > Blood pH is very important for the assimilation of all elements. Iodine is one element which > will not tolerate a wide variation of pH. pH has to be exactly right for you to assimilate > iodine. It is widely known that you can manipulate your blood pH through > meditation/breathing. This is NOT difficult and costs nothing. I am surprised that it is not > discussed here. > > In fact I am puzzled to see that these two aspects of iodine supplementation do not seem > to raise interest. > Obviously, never mind the dosage, the Iodoral/Lugol's, Nascent controversy, if you can't > assimilate it well - well that's it, it is not very useful. > Never mind the amount of Iodine you can assimilate, if you go on ingesting MSG, you are > killing your thyroid, amongst other things. > I wish to attract your attention to this because these two points have been very useful to > me. > Lots of warm wishes to all and many thanks! > Kalliopi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 I totally disagree with your point, but I will not take up this group space to discuss it. The point is that this is an IODINE group. I join groups to discuss religious/philosophical groups if I feel the desire to do so. If you want to discuss meditation, then I'm sure there are dozens of groups that can assist. This group is not about metaphysical activities, but taking iodine and supporting nutrients. ----- Original Message ----- Intention has a awful lot to do > with any practice. > > Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 In the interests of chemistry, I'd have to point out that Citric Acid is NOT MSG. The article points out that some MSG might be created during the fermentation process. I'd also have to point out that MSG gets created by some of the fermentation processes that the Price group tends to support, and also while one is making broths, which are also recommended by the same group. So the article is correct: it IS hard to avoid. My theory is that taking Vit C with a meal containing trace MSG will stop the symptoms, but since I'm not MSG sensitive, I can't prove that. Anyway, citric acid is basically not bad stuff, and it's a great flavoring agent. There's lots of citric acid in lemon juice. On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 7:37 AM, Parashis <artpages@...> wrote: > This is so true. Citric Acid, so benin sounding, is msg. It is in so > many foods for various reasons and now it will be sprayed on all our > meats and vegetables and fruits to kill bacteria and improve shelf > life. > > Here's an excellent site explaining citric acid etc. > > http://www.westonaprice.org/msg/msgfree.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 OMG.. I have been using lemon juice all the time.. Not anymore! TY ----- Original Message ----From: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 I repeat: citric acid is NOT MSG. They are very, very different chemicals. Many fruits and vegies do have natural glutamates, notably tomatoes. And cheese. If you want to avoid glutamates, you will have to do a lot of research, and probably change your cooking styles (don't cook acid and proteins together: i.e. no vinegar and meat, and no fermentation of proteins, so no kimchi). It's worth noting that there have been some studies that seem to indicate that " Chinese restaurant syndrome " is NOT caused by MSG, but rather by histamines, which are very high in Chinese food, and in many other foods. Histamines are pretty common in foods too, but are disabled by Vit C. Many cultures eat high vit C foods with their meal, so the histamines wouldn't be a problem. http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14119082.400-science-why-msg-myth-is-a-loa\ d-of-chop-suey-.html BTW, in the interests of keeping this related to iodine: the coastal Asian cultures also use seaweed as part of their meals. Seaweed has Vit C, it also has iodine, which is very bio-reactive. My guess is, that if you eat something like " fish sauce " (high in histamines and MSG) and seaweed or small fish (which would be a normal part of the meal) than you'd be fine. But put the fish sauce on a steak with mashed potatoes, typical US fare, and you'd get a headache. On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Boal <nancyboal@...> wrote: > OMG.. I have been using lemon juice all the time.. Not anymore! TY > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 You are correct - there is a difference between glutamates and MSG. ----- Original Message ----- From: " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 There is nothing wrong with saying beware. You can find out more about MSG and thyroid and other ailments that MSG may affect at: http://www.msgtruth.org/hypothyr.htm Be mindful that the food companies that use MSG will refute everything that is written negatively about MSG possibly enhancing health concerns. Also a good article at http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/diffdx/msg.html and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7246043 Robin, you are correct about diet. The definition of insane is doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results. Supplements, including iodine, are just that “supplements” which means that healthy diet and lifestyle are ALWAYS the most important things you can do to get your body well. Always! Many will take handfuls of supplements and wonder “why” they experience no change and they are usually the ones that go out and say “Natural medicine is quackery – it did nothing for me!” It is imperative to lay a foundation and that is what you put into your body for repair, support and healing. In addition to iodine and in order to really get the body supported and healthy the following should be considered: 1) Cleansing the liver/gallbladder, digestive tract is imperative. The liver needs to be kept clean and supported in order for hormone balance. 2) Parasite cleansing. It is estimated that 85-90% of the population has an over-abundance of parasites. 3) Heavy metal detoxification. 4) Healthy Diet. (not fad diets – they are not healthy) 5) Elimination of sugar, hydrogenated oils, caffeine, hormone-laden meats and daily and pre-packaged foods which are full of chemicals. Learn to read labels and do your research. 6) Food-grade supplementation. If your supplements have added fillers, binders, etc. then you are getting chemicals. 7) Lymphatic Drainage – The lymph carries out toxins. Use dry skin-brushing, rebounding and deep breathing. 8) Personal Care Products – Many, if not most contain chemicals that are known hormone disruptors. Don’t be misled, these chemicals do get into your body and with most people using between 8-15 personal care products daily, the chemicals can be very problematic. Find personal care products that are safe. 9) Emotional Detoxification – Stress and negative emotions (anger, jealousy, resentment, unhappiness, etc.) are more dangerous than most disease. Find time for yourself EVERY day. Read un up-lifting book, listen to good music, get in a quiet space, meditate (you can be religious and meditate), Pilates, Yoga, massage, etc. 10) Environmental Detoxification – Homes and offices can be environmentally toxic which WILL affect your health and well-being. Do research about how to get your environment clean and healthy. One thing for those with endocrine issues is “light”. Use full-spectrum lighting for your home and your office. 11) Sleep – If you are sleep deprived then your hormones will not get balanced. Sleeping in total darkness is imperative along with being in bed before 10:30 PM. The body does the most healing and repair work between the hours of 10:00 PM and 2:00 AM. 12) Sunshine – Again, along the lines of light. Your body needs sunlight for Vitamin D production (Vitamin D is really a hormone). That means 30-40 minutes every day without sunglasses and sunscreen before 9:00 AM or after 3:00 PM on as much of your body as is “legal.” 13) Exercise – 30-40 minutes every day. Walking is great and will also help you to get some sun. Exercise also helps with depression, stress and emotional conflict. 14) Natural hormone and adrenal support – For many doing what is listed above will balance their hormones and adrenals. If you need additional support then look at supplements that specifically support the adrenals and hormones. Glandulars for adrenal support are good and, of course iodine, natural progesterone and Vitex should be researched for hormone imbalance. Women have 5 elimination routes that need to be fully functioning for good health. We eliminate toxins through breathing, sweating, urination, defecation and menses. A very high percentage of the population is constipated which means that the digestive tract (where 75-80% of the immune system is located) is not functioning well. If you are not experiencing 2-3 bowel movements daily, you are constipated. It is interesting to note that we see the most health problems in women present themselves AFTER menopause when a woman no longer experiences menses. And the medical community is now trying to make it to where a woman can choose to have only 2-3 periods a year. In the long run, this will add to more health concerns – but good for the drug industry as I’m sure they will come up with a drug to “meet the need.” Hope this helps. Be Well Loretta From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Robin Little Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:10 PM iodine Subject: Re: Iodine - MSG I do think it is valid that when I take my very expensive iodine tabs, then go eat a meal with msg, that I then proceed to flush my precious iodine down the toilet! I wish that someone on this list had warned me about msg. And what is the use of struggling to heal my glands, if my diet is going to be reversing all my hard work? I sometimes feel I am taking one step forward and two steps back. I am reading so many lists now trying to gather all the needed information to get well, my head is spinning. This objection of yours is stressful to me. What is wrong with someone saying " beware! " ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2008 Report Share Posted June 14, 2008 Thanks LorettaI'm going to keep your post and re-read it from time to time. There are a few things on that list I could improve on!-- Warmest Regards,Robin Little In addition to iodine and in order to really get the body supported and healthy the following should be considered: 1) Cleansing the liver/gallbladder, digestive tract is imperative. The liver needs to be kept clean and supported in order for hormone balance. 2) Parasite cleansing. It is estimated that 85-90% of the population has an over-abundance of parasites. 3) Heavy metal detoxification. 4) Healthy Diet. (not fad diets - they are not healthy) 5) Elimination of sugar, hydrogenated oils, caffeine, hormone-laden meats and daily and pre-packaged foods which are full of chemicals. Learn to read labels and do your research. 6) Food-grade supplementation. If your supplements have added fillers, binders, etc. then you are getting chemicals. 7) Lymphatic Drainage - The lymph carries out toxins. Use dry skin-brushing, rebounding and deep breathing. 8) Personal Care Products - Many, if not most contain chemicals that are known hormone disruptors. Don't be misled, these chemicals do get into your body and with most people using between 8-15 personal care products daily, the chemicals can be very problematic. Find personal care products that are safe. 9) Emotional Detoxification - Stress and negative emotions (anger, jealousy, resentment, unhappiness, etc.) are more dangerous than most disease. Find time for yourself EVERY day. Read un up-lifting book, listen to good music, get in a quiet space, meditate (you can be religious and meditate), Pilates, Yoga, massage, etc. 10) Environmental Detoxification - Homes and offices can be environmentally toxic which WILL affect your health and well-being. Do research about how to get your environment clean and healthy. One thing for those with endocrine issues is " light " . Use full-spectrum lighting for your home and your office. 11) Sleep - If you are sleep deprived then your hormones will not get balanced. Sleeping in total darkness is imperative along with being in bed before 10:30 PM. The body does the most healing and repair work between the hours of 10:00 PM and 2:00 AM. 12) Sunshine - Again, along the lines of light. Your body needs sunlight for Vitamin D production (Vitamin D is really a hormone). That means 30-40 minutes every day without sunglasses and sunscreen before 9:00 AM or after 3:00 PM on as much of your body as is " legal. " 13) Exercise - 30-40 minutes every day. Walking is great and will also help you to get some sun. Exercise also helps with depression, stress and emotional conflict. 14) Natural hormone and adrenal support - For many doing what is listed above will balance their hormones and adrenals. If you need additional support then look at supplements that specifically support the adrenals and hormones. Glandulars for adrenal support are good and, of course iodine, natural progesterone and Vitex should be researched for hormone imbalance. Hope this helps. Be Well Loretta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 Hi, and thanks for your refreshing post...It ain´t easy to stay rigidly " on topic " in an iodine-group, since iodine is so deeply involved in health and disease, going back in time as it does all the way to the " primordial soupe " -days, when blue-green algeae concentrated it from the surrounding sea-water up to a 1000-fold, according to Dr. Venturi from Italy...rivalled, IMO in importance and depth only by vitamin D, the " sunshine vitamin " , provided to living organisms by sunshine...It is also, IMO, good to sometimes vitalize the iodine-group a little with related relevant viewpoints to avoid " group-think " , see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink . > > I came here to get answers for my questions, and I have learnt a lot thanks to the selfless > dedication of many posters. There is a lot of love flowing through these posts and a lot of > hope. > > I would like to thank you all for your help. I do not intervene a lot here because I feel > somehow that I live in a very different world from most of the posters, and that the ways > most of the posters eat, drink and take medicine is extremely remote from the way I eat, > drink and take medicine. I get a kind of culture shock sometimes! So I suppose it would be > the same for the others who would read my posts! > > Were are trying to heal our thyroids with Iodine and there are a lot of queries about > dosage. > There are worries about taking too much iodine or too little. Out of the bulk of messages > posted on our forum by people groping for a solution there are those who seems to get > less benefits from others. Some others do amazingly well. I have been one of the lucky > ones. I feel that I have been completely healed and I woul like to express here my love and > thanks. > > I would like to say as a contribution to the health of those who do not do well on iodine, or > who did well, then see the benefits disappear, that there are many ways to look at the > human body. > Even if we take the scientific tests supposed to give a clear vision of the state of the body, > regularly new tests appear that contradict the previous ones, or refine them, and that give > a completely different image. > The dosages and medicines of today will be completely obsolete or forgotten in twenty > years time. > But the human body is born again and again through time. It survived horrendous ordeals. > There are MANY ways to get better, and MANY ways to get sick. > Apart from Iodine, there are some other variables. > > Maybe those you do not do well on iodine are not living the same kind of life as those who > do well? It is true that our bodies are different, but the circumstances of our lives are very > varied. All athletes competing in the same field carry the same type of body, molded by > their practices. Their DNA may be different, but their bodies are similar. > Instead of looking to our ancestors for the primordial sin of giving us a body that does not > respond as it should to treatment it might be much more useful to try to understand WHY > the thyroid got sick. > > MSG is a great culprit in damaging the thyroid and pituitary. It is in every processed food. > I believe that this is one of the main reasons thyroids go wrong. Taking iodine will give > marvellous results, but how could they last if there is no ban on MSG? I am sure many > people on this forum do not even know when there is MSG in their food. Groping for the > dosage is then illusory. You can monitor the iodine intake in detail, the results will vary > widely depending on your diet at the time. > > Even the iodine intake is difficult to monitor! You can take it in Iodoral with a specific > numbers in mg, but obviously we are not all equal when it comes to assimilation. Some > have more NIS, some less. > Blood pH is very important for the assimilation of all elements. Iodine is one element which > will not tolerate a wide variation of pH. pH has to be exactly right for you to assimilate > iodine. It is widely known that you can manipulate your blood pH through > meditation/breathing. This is NOT difficult and costs nothing. I am surprised that it is not > discussed here. > > In fact I am puzzled to see that these two aspects of iodine supplementation do not seem > to raise interest. > Obviously, never mind the dosage, the Iodoral/Lugol's, Nascent controversy, if you can't > assimilate it well - well that's it, it is not very useful. > Never mind the amount of Iodine you can assimilate, if you go on ingesting MSG, you are > killing your thyroid, amongst other things. > I wish to attract your attention to this because these two points have been very useful to > me. > Lots of warm wishes to all and many thanks! > Kalliopi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 Thankyou, doctor, for an almost complete " health-list " ...correct, while probably almost impossible to uphold, while at the same time upholding a job and make a living...? I guess getting rid of any amalgam-fillings would come in under number three, " heavy metal detoxification " ...? I also think avoiding fluoride-containing products would fit in on the list? and perhaps under number 9, " emotional detoxification " , a link to a new theory could fit in...? the " expectation fulfilment theory " , found here: http://www.why-we-dream.com/joe-griffin.htm this theory to my mind does a very good job in explaining different complicated persistent human behaviours...(including my own, of course...) Anyway, I just couldn´t resist putting in my own " two cent´s worth " here, since this somewhat " broadened view " upon iodine- supplementation is reflecting the " environment " in which I place iodine-supplementation, but I don´t know of any other group than this one that deals with iodine...? . > > There is nothing wrong with saying beware. You can find out more about MSG > and thyroid and other ailments that MSG may affect at: > <http://www.msgtruth.org/hypothyr.htm> http://www.msgtruth.org/hypothyr.htm > Be mindful that the food companies that use MSG will refute everything that > is written negatively about MSG possibly enhancing health concerns. Also a > good article at <http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/diffdx/msg.html> > http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/diffdx/msg.html and > <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7246043> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7246043 > > > > Robin, you are correct about diet. The definition of insane is doing the > same thing over and over but expecting different results. Supplements, > including iodine, are just that " supplements " which means that healthy diet > and lifestyle are ALWAYS the most important things you can do to get your > body well. Always! Many will take handfuls of supplements and wonder " why " > they experience no change and they are usually the ones that go out and say > " Natural medicine is quackery - it did nothing for me! " It is imperative to > lay a foundation and that is what you put into your body for repair, support > and healing. > > In addition to iodine and in order to really get the body supported and > healthy the following should be considered: > > > > 1) Cleansing the liver/gallbladder, digestive tract is imperative. > The liver needs to be kept clean and supported in order for hormone balance. > > 2) Parasite cleansing. It is estimated that 85-90% of the population > has an over-abundance of parasites. > > 3) Heavy metal detoxification. > > 4) Healthy Diet. (not fad diets - they are not healthy) > > 5) Elimination of sugar, hydrogenated oils, caffeine, hormone- laden > meats and daily and pre-packaged foods which are full of chemicals. Learn > to read labels and do your research. > > 6) Food-grade supplementation. If your supplements have added > fillers, binders, etc. then you are getting chemicals. > > 7) Lymphatic Drainage - The lymph carries out toxins. Use dry > skin-brushing, rebounding and deep breathing. > > 8) Personal Care Products - Many, if not most contain chemicals that > are known hormone disruptors. Don't be misled, these chemicals do get into > your body and with most people using between 8-15 personal care products > daily, the chemicals can be very problematic. Find personal care products > that are safe. > > 9) Emotional Detoxification - Stress and negative emotions (anger, > jealousy, resentment, unhappiness, etc.) are more dangerous than most > disease. Find time for yourself EVERY day. Read un up-lifting book, listen > to good music, get in a quiet space, meditate (you can be religious and > meditate), Pilates, Yoga, massage, etc. > > 10) Environmental Detoxification - Homes and offices can be > environmentally toxic which WILL affect your health and well- being. Do > research about how to get your environment clean and healthy. One thing for > those with endocrine issues is " light " . Use full-spectrum lighting for your > home and your office. > > 11) Sleep - If you are sleep deprived then your hormones will not get > balanced. Sleeping in total darkness is imperative along with being in bed > before 10:30 PM. The body does the most healing and repair work between the > hours of 10:00 PM and 2:00 AM. > > 12) Sunshine - Again, along the lines of light. Your body needs sunlight > for Vitamin D production (Vitamin D is really a hormone). That means 30-40 > minutes every day without sunglasses and sunscreen before 9:00 AM or after > 3:00 PM on as much of your body as is " legal. " > > 13) Exercise - 30-40 minutes every day. Walking is great and will also > help you to get some sun. Exercise also helps with depression, stress and > emotional conflict. > > 14) Natural hormone and adrenal support - For many doing what is listed > above will balance their hormones and adrenals. If you need additional > support then look at supplements that specifically support the adrenals and > hormones. Glandulars for adrenal support are good and, of course iodine, > natural progesterone and Vitex should be researched for hormone imbalance. > > > > Women have 5 elimination routes that need to be fully functioning for good > health. We eliminate toxins through breathing, sweating, urination, > defecation and menses. A very high percentage of the population is > constipated which means that the digestive tract (where 75-80% of the immune > system is located) is not functioning well. If you are not experiencing 2-3 > bowel movements daily, you are constipated. It is interesting to note that > we see the most health problems in women present themselves AFTER menopause > when a woman no longer experiences menses. And the medical community is now > trying to make it to where a woman can choose to have only 2-3 periods a > year. In the long run, this will add to more health concerns - but good for > the drug industry as I'm sure they will come up with a drug to " meet the > need. " > > Hope this helps. > > Be Well > Loretta > > > > > > _____ > > From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of > Robin Little > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 10:10 PM > iodine > Subject: Re: Iodine - MSG > > > > I do think it is valid that when I take my very expensive iodine tabs, then > go eat a meal with msg, that I then proceed to flush my precious iodine down > the toilet! > I wish that someone on this list had warned me about msg. And what is the > use of struggling to heal my glands, if my diet is going to be reversing all > my hard work? I sometimes feel I am taking one step forward and two steps > back. I am reading so many lists now trying to gather all the needed > information to get well, my head is spinning. This objection of yours is > stressful to me. What is wrong with someone saying " beware! " ? > > > > > > <http://geo./serv? s=97476590/grpId=17015531/grpspId=1705061104/msgI > d=24984/stime=1213499428> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 I think you are really confused about what this group is for. We are not here to build a false consensus. If someone posts something as fact, it is asked that they please give their source of information. This is the opposite of groupthink. Many of us have cancer and we don't want to die from it, so we came here to learn about iodine. I joined this group because I have cancer and I don't want to get more cancer--namely breast cancer. I came here for information about IODINE because that is an important piece of the cancer fighting puzzle for me. I am a member of other groups, I email people privately and do my own research on thing unrelated to this particular group. We aren't talking about being rigid as sometimes other health issues impact iodine usage, but this is the iodine group. For those who would like to discuss other issues, you can do what countless others have done and find another group devoted to your chosen topic. ----- Original Message ----- Hi, and thanks for your refreshing post...It ain´t easy to stay rigidly " on topic " in an iodine-group, since iodine is so deeply involved in health and disease, going back in time as it does all the way to the " primordial soupe " -days, when blue-green algeae concentrated it from the surrounding sea-water up to a 1000-fold, according to Dr. Venturi from Italy...rivalled, IMO in importance and depth only by vitamin D, the " sunshine vitamin " , provided to living organisms by sunshine...It is also, IMO, good to sometimes vitalize the iodine-group a little with related relevant viewpoints to avoid " group-think " , see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 Hello Dr. Lanphier,Number six of you considerations, "6) Food-grade supplementation. If your supplements have added fillers, binders, etc. then you are getting chemicals."Do you have brand name recommendations you can give for food-grade supplements?Thanks so much,Pamela"Dr. Loretta Lanphier" <drlanphier@...> wrote: There is nothing wrong with saying beware. You can find out more about MSG and thyroid and other ailments that MSG may affect at: http://www.msgtruth.org/hypothyr.htm Be mindful that the food companies that use MSG will refute everything that is written negatively about MSG possibly enhancing health concerns. Also a good article at http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/diffdx/msg.html and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7246043 Robin, you are correct about diet. The definition of insane is doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results. Supplements, including iodine, are just that “supplements” which means that healthy diet and lifestyle are ALWAYS the most important things you can do to get your body well. Always! Many will take handfuls of supplements and wonder “why” they experience no change and they are usually the ones that go out and say “Natural medicine is quackery – it did nothing for me!” It is imperative to lay a foundation and that is what you put into your body for repair, support and healing. In addition to iodine and in order to really get the body supported and healthy the following should be considered: 1) Cleansing the liver/gallbladder, digestive tract is imperative. The liver needs to be kept clean and supported in order for hormone balance. 2) Parasite cleansing. It is estimated that 85-90% of the population has an over-abundance of parasites. 3) Heavy metal detoxification. 4) Healthy Diet. (not fad diets – they are not healthy) 5) Elimination of sugar, hydrogenated oils, caffeine, hormone-laden meats and daily and pre-packaged foods which are full of chemicals. Learn to read labels and do your research. 6) Food-grade supplementation. If your supplements have added fillers, binders, etc. then you are getting chemicals. 7) Lymphatic Drainage – The lymph carries out toxins. Use dry skin-brushing, rebounding and deep breathing. 8) Personal Care Products – Many, if not most contain chemicals that are known hormone disruptors. Don’t be misled, these chemicals do get into your body and with most people using between 8-15 personal care products daily, the chemicals can be very problematic. Find personal care products that are safe. 9) Emotional Detoxification – Stress and negative emotions (anger, jealousy, resentment, unhappiness, etc.) are more dangerous than most disease. Find time for yourself EVERY day. Read un up-lifting book, listen to good music, get in a quiet space, meditate (you can be religious and meditate), Pilates, Yoga, massage, etc. 10) Environmental Detoxification – Homes and offices can be environmentally toxic which WILL affect your health and well-being. Do research about how to get your environment clean and healthy. One thing for those with endocrine issues is “light”. Use full-spectrum lighting for your home and your office. 11) Sleep – If you are sleep deprived then your hormones will not get balanced. Sleeping in total darkness is imperative along with being in bed before 10:30 PM. The body does the most healing and repair work between the hours of 10:00 PM and 2:00 AM. 12) Sunshine – Again, along the lines of light. Your body needs sunlight for Vitamin D production (Vitamin D is really a hormone). That means 30-40 minutes every day without sunglasses and sunscreen before 9:00 AM or after 3:00 PM on as much of your body as is “legal.” 13) Exercise – 30-40 minutes every day. Walking is great and will also help you to get some sun. Exercise also helps with depression, stress and emotional conflict. 14) Natural hormone and adrenal support – For many doing what is listed above will balance their hormones and adrenals. If you need additional support then look at supplements that specifically support the adrenals and hormones. Glandulars for adrenal support are good and, of course iodine, natural progesterone and Vitex should be researched for hormone imbalance. Women have 5 elimination routes that need to be fully functioning for good health. We eliminate toxins through breathing, sweating, urination, defecation and menses. A very high percentage of the population is constipated which means that the digestive tract (where 75-80% of the immune system is located) is not functioning well. If you are not experiencing 2-3 bowel movements daily, you are constipated. It is interesting to note that we see the most health problems in women present themselves AFTER menopause when a woman no longer experiences menses. And the medical community is now trying to make it to where a woman can choose to have only 2-3 periods a year. In the long run, this will add to more health concerns – but good for the drug industry as I’m sure they will come up with a drug to “meet the need.” Hope this helps. Be Well Loretta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 I'm eternally grateful for the OT conversations on this list. My daughter has 3 chronic diseases, Type 1 diabetes, Hashi's and Celiac. Her Hashi's is under control specifically due to info I received on this list about a connection to Type 1 and Celiac disease. Although sometimes it may not serve the needs of everyone, you just never know what info may be valuable to others. My daughter's health has been so positively enhanced by this group that I find it difficult to put into words. We sometimes need to be more open minded about info that comes our way, one never knows the possibilities...... Linn > > I think you are really confused about what this group is for. We are not > here to build a false consensus. If someone posts something as fact, it is > asked that they please give their source of information. This is the > opposite of groupthink. Many of us have cancer and we don't want to die > from it, so we came here to learn about iodine. > > I joined this group because I have cancer and I don't want to get more > cancer--namely breast cancer. I came here for information about IODINE > because that is an important piece of the cancer fighting puzzle for me. > > I am a member of other groups, I email people privately and do my own > research on thing unrelated to this particular group. We aren't talking > about being rigid as sometimes other health issues impact iodine usage, but > this is the iodine group. For those who would like to discuss other issues, > you can do what countless others have done and find another group > devoted to your chosen topic. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 I'm not closed minded because I am a moderator of the iodine group and ask that we stick to its founding purpose. I'll say it again, with those of us trying to recover from cancer, iodine info is very important. It drives people away from the group to have dozens of OT messages, and they may really need iodine to recover their health. There are MANY other available to discuss other topics. ----- Original Message ----- We sometimes need to be more open minded > about info that comes our way, one never knows the possibilities...... > > Linn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2008 Report Share Posted June 15, 2008 I am seconding this - as the person who designed this group to help with iodine for healing. This group is about iodine. There are 1485 groups listed about alternative medicine / health alone. You can join one of them. search?query=Alternative+treatments Quite frankly this group has gotten out of control this last week. I know some like it but the purpose is to discuss IODINE and ONLY IODINE. Again I will say that if we are discussing a complementary treatment to iodine like B-Complex vitamins, Vit C etc I do allow topics to stray but this has gotten really bad. I am going to have to start putting people on moderated status (I don't like to do that because that is making it look like I am a control freak which I am not - to make that clear). I run this group like another group I am on for natural thyroid hormones which has worked well which is why I modeled this after it. If the topic strays off and for too long we are reigned back in. We are too big and too many want iodine and not botox (although asked in the context of iodine originally), alternative healing, zeolite, and more. Someone please post a good iodine research article or some thing they have a question on that relates to iodine. Re: Re: Iodine - MSG > I'm not closed minded because I am a moderator of the iodine group and ask > that we stick to its founding purpose. > > I'll say it again, with those of us trying to recover from cancer, iodine > info is very important. It drives people away from the group to have > dozens > of OT messages, and they may really need iodine to recover their health. > There are MANY other available to discuss other topics. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > We sometimes need to be more open minded >> about info that comes our way, one never knows the possibilities...... >> >> Linn >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 Janie, I have answered you privately, as requested, to avoid cluttering this forum. Anyone interested in this information can email me directly. Be well Kalliopi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2008 Report Share Posted June 16, 2008 Thank you for your WEALTH of information, Kallipoi! Janie > > Janie, I have answered you privately, as requested, to > avoid cluttering this forum. > Anyone interested in this information can email me > directly. > Be well > Kalliopi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2008 Report Share Posted June 17, 2008 Hi. It took me some time to get my mind around this thought of me being confused...since my main reason for posting and reading on the internet is to learn new stuff, also about myself, I thought to myself, " maybe she is right, maybe I am confused " ? What I came up with was that ever since somewhere around the time after my parents divorce I have adopted a habit of being ironic, using irony as a means of " selfprotection " so to speak... Why? Well, the reasoning behind this probably originated in connection with the events leading up to my grandfather becoming hospitalized, later " institutionalized " with the diagnosis schizophrenia...The causes for this probably probes further than necessary into my own family history, but could perhaps be the reason for my inheritance of " general confusion " , (since schizophrenics are really confused...?) manifesting itself as confusion over " what this group is for " ...I hitherto have thought that it was about learning and talking freely about everything that might be connected to iodine and health... So,in my efforts to clear up this " confused state of mind " of mine, and get my thinking straight, I hypothesized that perhaps iodine also affects thinking and thoughtpatterns...? It probably does, since it affects all the other organs of the body, so why not the brain and it´s function? So, following this line of thinking, I came to the conclusion that since I previously, in my alledgedly inherited " confused " state of mind read all the online-available writings on iodine I could find, and via the writings of Dr. and Dr. Abraham aswell as many others, and finally the iodineforhealth-website, wound up at this messageboard to learn even more about iodine, and the effects of the lack of it, and after having supplemented with iodine for over a year and a half now, I now think that perhaps the size of this group, aswell as all other groups, is regulated by " Dunbar´s number " , see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number meaning that at some point, all groups divide for some reason...? After having read messages 1:1 and 1:2 from sunday june 15, I understand that straying too far from the main subject of iodine is a sensitive matter, and message 6a from saturday june 14 supposedly does that when it brings up yoga, meditation and bodily PH-status as relevant to iodine-supplementation, resulting in, as I understand it after having recieved a personal email from the group-member, her being put on a moderated status, it is my conclusion that for me to get out of my confused state of mind and adopt " clear thinking " , I will have to understand concepts such as " specialization " ... Since I have for a long time been sympathetic to words such as e.g. " wholeistic " , and have tried to integrate different ways and approaches into a " bigger picture " , I am not a stranger to look closer into, say the role of PH-status in iodinesupplementation, but my clear thinking tells me that this is best done elsewhere than this more specialized iodine-messageboard...Nothing wrong with being specialized, I just connected this word previously with moneymaking and jobs, scientific institutions and specialist-doctors etc.etc., not with " free " internet-groups...? But I´m learning new things all the time... So, from now on I will make an effort to bring up topics remotely related to iodine elsewhere, limit my postings to only iodine, (quote from message 1:2, sun. june 15: " Quite frankly this group has gotten out of control this last week. I know some like it but the purpose is to discuss IODINE and ONLY IODINE. " end of quote.) and I hope this link that I just found is not straying too far from the main subject of the group, since it deals not only with the dying of honeybees and iodine...but also with a new look into " the big picture " ... http://curezone.com/blogs/fm.asp?i=985423 , hopefully clear thinking? > > I think you are really confused about what this group is for. We are not > here to build a false consensus. If someone posts something as fact, it is > asked that they please give their source of information. This is the > opposite of groupthink. Many of us have cancer and we don't want to die > from it, so we came here to learn about iodine. > > I joined this group because I have cancer and I don't want to get more > cancer--namely breast cancer. I came here for information about IODINE > because that is an important piece of the cancer fighting puzzle for me. > > I am a member of other groups, I email people privately and do my own > research on thing unrelated to this particular group. We aren't talking > about being rigid as sometimes other health issues impact iodine usage, but > this is the iodine group. For those who would like to discuss other issues, > you can do what countless others have done and find another group > devoted to your chosen topic. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Hi, and thanks for your refreshing post...It ain´t easy to stay > rigidly " on topic " in an iodine-group, since iodine is so deeply > involved in health and disease, going back in time as it does all the > way to the " primordial soupe " -days, when blue-green algeae > concentrated it from the surrounding sea-water up to a 1000-fold, > according to Dr. Venturi from Italy...rivalled, IMO in importance and > depth only by vitamin D, the " sunshine vitamin " , provided to living > organisms by sunshine...It is also, IMO, good to sometimes vitalize > the iodine-group a little with related relevant viewpoints to > avoid " group-think " , see: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 , thanks much for the link about what's killing the honeybees. We on the list have been concerned about the use of methyl bromide on crops, and what is being said here by that scientist makes perfect sense. Virginia > and I hope this link that I just found is not straying too far from > the main subject of the group, since it deals not only with the dying > of honeybees and iodine...but also with a new look into " the big > picture " ... > http://curezone.com/blogs/fm.asp?i=985423 > , hopefully clear thinking? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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